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SuggestBot @ Opentask

Looking good! :-) Thank you, Nettrom. Any plans to have the bot refresh the bottom-most four rows as well? I shall continue to refresh these rows manually for the time being. --PFHLai (talk) 03:27, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Yes, I noticed those when I first tested the bot in my sandbox, but I haven't had time to do anything with them yet (there wasn't any mention of them in the FlBot code I've had access to). Those categories appear to require a slightly different approach of either formatting the links or picking the articles. Have scheduled time to look at it tomorrow, might be Wednesday before I have something working. Thanks for keeping them updated in the meantime! Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 16:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You've done a lot of good work to get much of {{Opentask}} refreshed by your bot. You must be hungry now. Have a cookie! :-)

The AfD and Art.Inc. rows were added to the template in response to requests on Misplaced Pages talk:Community portal/Opentask (here & here, respectively). Maybe the FlBot codes you have pre-date their additions? No need to rush and get the last few rows included. As far as I can recall, Article and Image Requests are always refreshed manually, anyway. Take your time. Thank you again for your good work. Happy coding! Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

BTW, what do you think of this request: Misplaced Pages talk:Community portal/Opentask#Assessment backlog ? --PFHLai (talk) 21:52, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the cookie, I appreciate it a lot! :)

I wasn't able to find time to write code yesterday, but finished up the code taking care of updating AfDs a half hour or so ago, so that's now also handled. The article incubator appeared to be of little value, I looked at some random articles from there on Monday, they were mostly stale, so I don't have a problem with that category being gone now. You're right about the last two categories, I looked at some diffs of FlBot's updates earlier this year, and it skipped those also. Great that you'll be keeping those updated!

By the way, SuggestBot's trial period ends later today, so I'll be shutting it down in a few hours and wait until the bot request has been processed. Hopefully it'll be successful and it won't be too long until it is running again.

I looked at the article assessment question. Not against the idea, but I think I would wait a little while. There's a discussion on the Community Portal talk page where some feedback on the redesign and the task list is brought up, so maybe wait until that's been cleared up? Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 20:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Letting both of you know about some data from the experiment so far. Moving the task list up to the top was great for clicks, but it still didn't seem to affect people's desire to actually edit those articles. I'd like to try making the task list lighter-weight to see if that encourages more clicks and more contribution. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 22:57, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Idea

not sure if you currently do this or not, but how about getting a broad sugges by wikiprojects nad then suggesting articls within that. This was stuff that is interested to the user will be brought to their attention.Lihaas (talk) 04:12, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

There's currently no specific support for WikiProjects in SuggestBot, instead it is only implicit in the sense that if a user works mainly within a WikiProject it is likely that their suggestions will be closely related to that project. I have just finished up interviews with some of our users and although I am not finished analysing them we have noticed that a lot of our users appear to do work related to WikiProjects. Exactly how we will support WikiProjects I currently do not know, but it seems clear that we should support it well in one way or another, e.g. by allowing users to tell us specific WikiProjects that interest them and then receive suggestions mainly within that/those project(s), so it's something that we'll be working on in the coming months. Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 21:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Looking good ;)Lihaas (talk) 21:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Survey

no problemo, Tom B (talk) 12:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Prettified opentask list

Hi Nettrom, I've fiddled with the opentask layout some more in accordance with some of my clicktracking findings (emailed you about it the other day). Here's the version I mocked up in my userspace, and here's how it will look on the Community portal page. I want to make sure this won't break your bot's ability to refresh the tasks or break transclusions of the list on other pages, though. I could always temporarily just transclude my userspace version onto the Community portal and revert the change if it looks like things are going haywire. What do you think?

P.S., will you be at WikiSym? If so, we should catch up in person :) I'm getting into Linz on Sunday afternoon. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Opentask article selection algorithm

Is it random from the categories? Why not weight the selection by the articles' number of incoming links, e.g. -- that is a good general measure of the urgency of the need for improvement, and also article popularity and familiarity, which should improve the interestingness and clickthrough rate. —Cupco 00:40, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

The current version is just picking article at random (if you're into programming and know Python, you can look at the source code if you want). I did it that way because the previous bot that updated the task list, FlBot, also worked that way and I first wanted a version that works so we could get the bot approval request done.

I'm collaborating with Maryana at the WMF, she has taken the initiative on redesigning the Community Portal (see for instance meta:Research:Community portal redesign). One of the things we have planned to do is alter the algorithms to see how that affects what users do. We are particularly interested in how popularity (views) of articles as well as the current quality affects things (it's mentioned in the project description on meta), but it might be that incoming links is a useful measure as well, so I've made a note to look into that, thanks for the idea! We might also experiment with personalised suggestions as we do have some ideas on how to do that, you're right that it should increase the likelihood of users looking at the article, experiments with SuggestBot showed that it leads to more edits than suggesting random articles.

Thanks again for the ideas, let me know if something was confusing or if you have any other questions related to this. Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 14:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Happy to help. Please see also Category talk:Misplaced Pages backlog#Linked counts to list of articles prioritized by number of incoming links -- which is where that script was described. —Cupco 17:56, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that link, I was particularly curious about the correlation between inbound links and popularity, which they graphed and calculated and thus saved me a bit of work. Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 13:50, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

why does SuggestBot leave stars and icons on my page?

Hi,

I noticed that on User talk:Hahc21's talk page, SuggestBot doesn't leave all that stuff - the stars and the icons in a huge table. Is there anyway SuggestBot could not leave that stuff on my page and make like Hahc21's? Please?

Thanks, MathewTownsend (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

• Also it says at the top of SuggestBot's posts on my page"

We are currently running a study on the effects of adding additional information to SuggestBot’s recommendations. Participation in the study is voluntary. Should you wish to not participate in the study, or have questions or concerns, you can find contact information in the consent information sheet.

We have added information about the readership and quality of the suggested articles using a Low/Medium/High scale. For readership the scale goes from Low to High , while for quality the scale goes from Low to High .

However the contact information in the consent information sheet is dead.

I never consented to be part of this "study".

Is there a way I can get the version formated like the one User talk:Hahc21's talk page? MathewTownsend (talk) 21:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about not getting to this sooner, I was busy outside of Misplaced Pages yesterday and therefore couldn't get this taken care of on SuggestBot's talk page. I have updated SuggestBot's configuration so that from now on you will get the version without the icons. Also, sorry to hear the consent info page appeared to be a dead link. I tried it earlier today as well as just now and it worked just fine for me, so I suspect there might have been intermittent network issues or something of that sort.

We (I'm currently a PhD candidate at GroupLens Research) run experiments with SuggestBot from time to time, altering how it works slightly in order to learn more about how it can better help Misplaced Pages editors find useful things to do. In order to counter the unwanted side-effect that comes with users opting in to be part in these studies, we instead offer an easy way to opt out as participation of course is voluntary. If you know you'd like to be opted out of any future studies we run, let me know. Also, feel free to let me know if anything was unclear or you have any questions about this. Regards, Nettrom (talk) 17:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I reformatted the last SuggestBot listing on my page to be the plain version. Just by removing all the icons and stars, I removed nearly 9,000 bytes. People like me are distracted by all that. I never read the SuggestBot suggestions because it was too distracting. others may have this problem too. Also, I don't remember agreeing to be part of a study, though maybe I did! Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 01:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Suggestbot suggestion!

Is it possible to create a new section for new suggestions unlike it has been done here? It'll help me to follow the articles I have edited from the suggestions etc! --Tito Dutta (talk) 06:29, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, if you remove the "|replace" parameter in the configuration template, SuggestBot will create a new section every time it posts, rather than replace any existing suggestions. So the configuration template code you have on your talk page becomes:

{{User:SuggestBot/config
|frequency = twice a month
}}

Let me know if there's anything else! Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 13:42, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I have removed replace! Thanks! --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:32, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Chime in?

At Template talk:Opentask-short, I think we've hit on the criteria we want to fill in the short open task template for the onboarding test. :) Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 21:47, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I have chimed in with some comments. Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 22:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Thought you might be interested or wanna chime in, buddy :) - J-Mo _{Email Me} 05:32, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry if i'm bothering you with this talkback template but I thought you would like to know that I have left you a question on SuggestBot's talk page. MIVP - Allow us to be of assistance to you. (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 21:21, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diligence

While the Barnstar of Diligence's description of 'in recognition of... community service' says it all due to SuggestBot being a fantastic addition to our community I originally wanted to give you a Barnstar because of how professional you are in handling anything regarding SuggestBot that people bring up. I hope your professionalism continues to be... well... professional. heh heh. Good work Net :) MIVP - Allow us to be of assistance to you. (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 22:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)