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Removing material

On this edit of yours: If you think that this material should be removed, explain why at Talk:List of highest-grossing films, and wait several days to get agreement. Other removal will be treated as vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 05:01, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I see that you wrote:

Whilst I believe that they are high-grossing series/franchises and deserve to be in the table, I don't believe they can be in the same table, which is why I am proposing that we use two seperate tables. Rather than having one table for series and franchises, have two tables (one for series and one for franchises- or whatever you wish to call them) to make it clearer.

So now you wait for replies. If there are none, or if they seem unthinking, then bring up the matter here. -- Hoary (talk) 05:17, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: A: EMH, again...

Just reword or clarify the paragraph. Breakout is the pilot episode.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

It is not his opinion, it is fact as it was the first episode to air. When he said "first five episodes" he was referring to the production number.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:59, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

A few things, episode lists are presented in the order they are aired regardless of the order they are produced. Breakout is the first episode of Season 1 there are many sources stating stating as such. The paragraph can easily be reworded to reflect the actual order the episodes were presented. Lastly this discussion should not take on user talk pages but rather the article talk page in case if anyone else wishes to participate.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Production codes are not the same thing as episode numbers, companies often shoot television episodes out of order due locations and budgetary reasons. Which is why we routinely list episodes by air date rather than production code or in-universe chronological order. Furthermore channels do not arbitrarily choose the order episodes are aired. If you have sources that an episode aired in a different country before the date that is currently listed then we will change the order. Also do not say such things as "actual order" or "proper order" as these terms are subject to opinion. Thank you pointing out the mistake in the current table, I will change it accordingly and feel free to post our discussion on the talk page.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

List of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes episodes

1. Both of you - the edit war has gone more than far enough. It stops now. Use the talk page to discuss the issues and see where consensus is.
2. With an eye to WP:BRD the page has been locked at the state prior to the bold edit (ProfessorKilroy's) that started this.
3. Discussion and consensus means you to have work with other editors and respect their input. Not actively edit as though nothing has been said or that only you are right and only your version of the article has a right to exist.
4. Original research has been mentioned on the talk page. This is a policy on Misplaced Pages, like it or not.
5. This is not an invitation to discuss the locking the article, this post, indulge in personal attacks or disparagement of others, or bide time for the page protection to go down.

- J Greb (talk) 00:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

The article is now protected for a week because of your action.

Do not edit to prove a point, to re-start an edit war (and yes that is exactly what you did), or in spite of an on going discussion. Each of those is enough to get you blocked.

This is your second warning.

- J Greb (talk) 21:41, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Reply

Sorry, I don't get involved in discussions/disagreements/arguments any more.-5- (talk) 08:41, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I need your opinion

Hi. I have a question for which I need objective opinions. Can you offer your viewpoint here? I really need it in order to proceed. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 02:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Half Barnstar
	As in countless examples in literature, I award this to you and the other half to TriiipleThreat for your world-class efforts to reach common ground and achieve effective results at List of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes episodes. May your powers be greater together! Excelsior! -- Tenebrae (talk) 18:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

You will be need more help...

wrote previously...

Misplaced Pages List of superpowers article, need more superpowers

I have a real article that i work any moment and everyday with any pals... you have rights for use it for your convenence (except erase it or modify it) to show how many super powers exist in your article. Super Power List behind Misplaced Pages from Spanish Leanguage to english leanguage I work so much, and any pals too, dont destroy own article but almost try to add more super powers to your super power list. If my wikipedia in Spanish article is not without faults of orthography, you could read it without so much problems, Greetings. (This for your List of Superpowers. --Georgy (talk) 18:43, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Two Towers country

Hello. I'm not sure what exactly the "country" parameter means in the film infobox but there are a few issues to consider. Here's the text:

Fill in the nationality of the film as identified in the lead of the article. The nationality of the film should be backed up with a reliable source. The source must clearly identify the nationality in a descriptive capacity, as in describing it as an American or a French film/movie etc, or in a contextual capacity such as the BFI's list of top 100 "British films" or as an example in a published work on German film etc. Sources that simply identify the country of origin as France, or the production country as U.S. etc such as is the case with resources like Allmovie and IMDb is not sufficient identification of the film's nationality. If there is a conflict between nationalities, then the nationality should not be stated and the country field should not be filled in.

1) It does not state that "country" means where the film was made. If it meant that then it would have be very easy to state that plainly.

2) It might mean the country of origin for the studio who produced the film. In this case it would be New Line which is in the US.

3) All that said the parameter does require the information to be in the lead section of the article and to be backed up with reliable sources. Neither of these criteria are met with respect to the Two Towers article.

4) I see you've added it back anyway claiming "consistency". The problem with this is that there is a lot on Misplaced Pages that's wrong but consistent. In general we'd rather be correct 1% of the time than 99% consistent but wrong.

Film articles are not my specialty so I don't really know how that parameter is usually interpreted. If we take the discussion to the talk page then maybe other people will be able to help out. SQGibbon (talk) 11:55, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely copy my stuff and your stuff over and let's get other opinions. As I mentioned I'm not really involved in film articles so I won't be able to contribute any more than I have but I am curious to see how it all works out. It appears that based on what you said about the studio that the "blank" option is technically best but I can see how it would end up with NZ as well. Who knows. SQGibbon (talk) 21:44, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Avengers Debate

ProfessorKilroy - Sorry I ignored your invitation to discuss the issues. I honestly didn't read your invite until today. But I went back today and put my two cents in, even found a reference that might help my argument. I do think Tenebre (sp) thought we were the same person. At least I learned how to sign posts from this, never really looked at that box on the top of the page that asks us to sign before.--Psion20 (talk) 01:28, 29 November 2011 (UTC)psion20

Re: Scepanveliki's edits

If you wish, you can submit the case to WP:SPI. BTW I wanted compliment you on the Template:Marvel Comics films discussions, you have provide well reasoned and written arguments.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:27, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

There is also WP:SPB, to block the website.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Franchises

Hi Prof, I wanted to run something by you since I think I have found an inconsistency with how Box Office Mojo handle franchise crossovers.

You are familiar with how they handle the Marvel franchises right? There is the Iron Man franchise, the Hulk franchise etc, and then there is the MCU which includes all the films within that particular continuity. As a consequence, Ang Lee's Hulk doesn't get included in the MCU, and The Avengers isn't included in the Iron Man franchise.

However, I have noticed this is inconsistent with how they handle the Alien and Predator franchises. The first way of looking at it is that the Alien v. Predator movies constitute a "cinematic universe", representing a cross-franchise series. If that is the case, both the cross-over films should be excluded from the Alien and Predator franchises on the same basis that The Avengers is excluded from the Iron Man and Hulk franchises, but this isn't the case (see Alien and Predator. The second way of looking at is that Alien and Predator have been merged into a "super-franchise", in which case all the Alien and Predator movies form a 10-film franchise, but again, BOM doesn't bear it out.

There is a huge inconsistency here in how BOM handles crossovers: BOM exlcudes the Marvel crossover film from the individual Marvel franchises, but it doesn't exclude the Alien v. Predator crossover films from the individual Alien and Predator franchises.

Do you see this as an inconsistency too, or am I missing something? Betty Logan (talk) 19:59, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks pretty inconsistent to me, which kinda sucks. We can't choose ourselves as to what counts as a franchise, so we need an alternate source, right? I had a look on The Numbers website, but they do the same thing, except without counting the MCU as a franchise, and plus, they're missing a fair bit of data. Are there any other sources like BOM or Numbers?

Either way, it looks like it's not going to be totally consistent unless we say that either the Alien/Predator universe is a franchise, and count that in the table, or get rid of the MCU, and count the Avengers in the Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Captain America franchises. But we can't really do either of those things, unless there's a source that defines the Alien/Predator universe as a franchise or the MCU as not a franchise. But it's probably original research to say, "Well, this website says these films make a franchise, and this other website has the box office data for them", right?

What else could we do about it? --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 03:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. It's definitely an inconsistency. Even if another source were available it still doesn't invalidate the inconsistency at BOM; we can't pick and choose which franchises the source is "correct" for. I might email them about it, since I think only BOM can address the problem. If they don't we're kind of stuck with it. Betty Logan (talk) 00:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)