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Hi Diannaa, don't know if you're still up, but Neil Young might need a revdel . Thanks, <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em #DDDDDD">] ]</span> 06:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Diannaa, don't know if you're still up, but Neil Young might need a revdel . Thanks, <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em #DDDDDD">] ]</span> 06:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
: Got it. Good catch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0t0EW6z8a0 -- ] (]) 06:07, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
: Got it. Good catch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0t0EW6z8a0 -- ] (]) 06:07, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
== Hello ==
So you presented me with a list of some of my rather subjective comments. As you stated, it is not an exhaustive list. However, let's try and avoid a double standard and check fellow WP editor Cynwolfe's comments to me. Cynwolfe initiated this whole thing by stating '''''my ignorance'''''...To a general observation of the nature of discussion which reminds one (who is old enough, like me) of the 1960s. I don't particularly like being called "ignorant" either. I thing you should investigate word-for-word Cynwolfe's comments as well. I think she is overreacting...She even made a comment to me that her typo was "not sinister"...Don't you think that type of a reaction is hypersensitive (?) I did ask Cynwolfe to relax and keep the harmony. I have eased up considerably, and yet you are giving me a warning. Another editor (who did apologize to me) stated to me that I ''will be blocked so fast that my head will spin''...I didn't like that either. Before you start lecturing me, I couldn't care if you are the founder WP, please review both sides and don't cop to a double standard. If I am blocked do you think that really scares me ? LOL I don't like threats...Not from you or anyone. I also don't like your tone, either. Do what you will, but before doing so, be fair and just in your assessment. And don't cop to a double standard because another WP editor is getting almost hysterical. Now this other WP editor (dougweller) explained to me an error in my deletion without being condescending (like Cynwolfe has a few times), but did so in a courteous, mature manner and I had no problem with it. Once again, please look at both sides of the issue before you or anyone else takes further action. There have been some rather colourful characters among WP editors who have used some colourful language, and they are still WP editors and not blocked. Cynwolfe has not responded to me entirely properly, either. When I sincerely made an effort at reconciliation on her talk page (after she notified me of her complaint), her response was that she wanted no further interaction with me. However, she continued to interact with me on Marc Antony Talk Page after this seemingly implacable response to my gesture of reconciliation. You can view this in her Talk Page (unless it was maybe deleted). Again, I do enjoy editing on WP, but it seems like with every human social environment, where the possibility of egos and attitudes exist, there will be degrees of disagreement. I will no longer directly respond to Cynwolfe, but will offer a third person type analysis. Do what you will. ] (]) 06:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
I have now had time to check this over and it looks like most of the IP edits and edits from unconfirmed users are okay. There was one really bad unsourced edit but it was from before the pending changes protection wore off and was removed by an established editor. There's information starting to come in about the legal aspects of the case now, so I think leaving it unprotected would be the way to go right now. If you disagree, please post a request at WP:RFPP and another admin will have a look. -- Dianna (talk) 04:18, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Good Evening Diannaa
I am here in regards to a note that I received from you regarding File:ER Kvaran Sri Lanka, mid 1950s.jpg. I'd like to explain the circumstances and hear what you have to suggest. I have already sort of discussed the issue with my copyright guru/adversary User:ronhjones ]. Sort of, mostly it is about another picture from the carpcchives, but this one is mentioned by me. . It goes like this. I am my family's archivist and this picture is from there, the Caldwell Kvaran Archives, sometimes known as the carpchives. This is a picture from there. However to determine who the photographer is would be impossible. Erik Eslander (dead about 30 years) took a bunch of pictures like this. The United Nations sent around photographers every now and again who might have taken it. Wonder what their copyright policies are? They have not answered my emails, so, who knows? Could have been someone else with a camera, there that day. Anyway, I am in posession of the prints and figure to be as much the copyright holder as anyone, now. This picture is from the mid 1950s, taken in Ceylon, which might matter or might not. So . .... what do I do now? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 03:33, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Well I see that you have discovered the picture that Ron Jones and I were discussing, my mother's picture of Matt Gordon, File:Matt Gordon, Flying Tiger c. 1943.jpg. He had a crush on her in high school and sent her the picture. You might want to read Ron's analysis of the picture, unless you consider him to be soft on the subject. Carptrash (talk) 03:43, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Carptrash! Sorry to have to tag your pics. What you need to do is have a look at the Commons:Hirtle chart, which gives all the information on when stuff becomes public domain. You do not own the copyright to a photo simply because you have a copy of it in your possession; in all cases, the photographer is the copyrightholder, unless he has signed away his copyright to an employer or has released the material under license. So if you have in your possession a photograph like File:ER Kvaran Sri Lanka, mid 1950s.jpg where the identity of the photographer is unknown, and their date of death is unknown, and as far as we know the image has never been published before, the copyright does not expire until 120 years after creation of the image. For an anonymous picture taken in Sri Lanka in 1950, the copyright expires in 2070. For the Matt Gordon picture, the copyright expires in 2063. If you know the identity of the photographer and their date of death, the copyright expires 70 years after their date of death. There's a different set of rules for photos that have previously been published (in a book, magazine, online, or as a postcard, for example) and those that have not. It's up to the uploader to prove previous publication. There's special rules for India, Canada, the Ottoman Empire, and Poland. That's just the tip of the iceberg. I know that I know lots but I also know that there's lots that I don't know! I feel like quoting Donald Rumsfeld -- Dianna (talk) 03:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Published on line? If I publish them on line that I can use them? And please do not quote Donald Rumsfeld. I have worked hard forgetting him, don't need him back in my vibration. Thanks for your input, it is probably time I took a wikibreak. Carptrash (talk) 04:09, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Photograph of Nissanka Wijeyeratne with Raja (elephant)
Please look at the Commons:Hirtle chart, which gives all the information on when photographs becomes public domain. You do not own the copyright to a photo simply because you have a copy of it in your possession; in all cases, the photographer is the copyright holder, unless he has signed away his copyright to an employer or has released the material under license. A photograph where the identity of the photographer is unknown, and their date of death is unknown, and as far as we know the image has never been published before, the copyright does not expire until 120 years after creation of the image. Please stop uploading these images. Thank you. -- Dianna (talk) 05:08, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Photograph of Nissanka Wijeyeratne with Raja (elephant)
Diannaa, I think it weakens the point about the astonishing array of leading ladies sashaying through Hope's movie career (many people today think of Hope as mainly a television performer but his best work, as he always pointed out himself, was in his movies) but I see where you're coming from regarding the guidelines you cited, which I never bother to glance at myself except under duress. In any case, hope you're having a great morning and thanks for the vigilant input, Diannaa. I'm always receptive to an alternate take on something. EnjoyForward (talk) 05:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Good morning EnjoyForward. I did not agree with everything this particular reviewer said and did, but in this particular instance I think she was right. The article was too list-y. And the truth be known, these actresses were pretty famous back in the day, but they're not so well known any more. Even Adolf Hitler needs to be identified in a photograph, see Diff of Adolf Hitler -- Dianna (talk) 15:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Photograph of Nissanka Wijeyeratne with Raja (elephant)
I am waiting to get your advice to upload the above photograph. The photographer had given the ownership to me.
Hello Anuradha Dullewe Wijeyeratne. What you need to do is get the copyright holder of the photograph to send an email to the OTRS team using the instructions at Commons:OTRS. They will place an OTRS ticket on the file showing that the copyright holder has given permission to display the file here. Regards, -- Dianna (talk) 15:39, 24 January 2013 (UTC) Sorry to be so long in replying; I live in Canada and had to go to bed. -- Dianna (talk) 15:47, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you
I would greatly appropriate it. Thank you very much.
I have re-uploaded these and other images to my WikiCommons accnt - commons:User:Quadtripplea - and have requested appropriate consent emails pertaining to each image be sent directly to permissions-en@wikipedia.org
The 2 files you marked which I uploaded to Misplaced Pages can be deleted. Misplaced Pages seemed to want them uploaded to Wikicommons in anycase! Which I have now done, and will relink the images to the main articles once approval is granted (I assume automated but will check periodically!).
I also note that some logos I uploaded to Misplaced Pages, namely FaceAdrenalin-Logo, Olav Zipser's First School of Modern SkyFlying Logo, and
Olav Zipser Official FreeFly Astronaut Project Space Patch, have been marked as needing to be smaller and for some other stuff. I have also uploaded these and others to WikiCommons User:Quadtripplea as well as requested appropriate consent emails be sent direct to permissions-en@wikipedia.org for all of these.
Perhaps you can check some of my latest image uploads to Wikicommons and give it all an overview and let me know if there is anything I need to give any more attention to at this time. I am hoping to have this image uploading and referencing thing waxed and YES I have read hundreds and thousands of words from the various articles in an attempt to understand everything!
Hi Quadtripplea. If there's an email on the way, you need to add the {{OTRS pending}} template to the files. That way, no one will delete/nominate for deletion the files for a while, and it makes it easier for the OTRS team to match up images with emails. I have done that for the two files on the Commons that you mention above.
I was looking over your other uploads to the Commons, and there's some problems. First, I'd like to say that only files to which you personally own the copyright should be uploaded to the Commons, plus those images with OTRS permssion tickets in place, and those with OTRS pending. Corporate logos should not be on the Commons unless they have an OTRS ticket attached. Non-free logos need to be uploaded here to en.wiki and marked for fair use. Several of these logos are already here and are marked for fair use, and thus should not be on the Commons. These I will nominate for deletion from the Commons:
There's several non-free logos that you uploaded that are present on the Commons that should not be there; they should be here on en.wiki and marked for fair use. These I will nominate for deletion on the Commons, but will make a local copy for fair use:
There's also several photographs on the Commons with inadequate evidence of permission of the original photographer. These I will mark for deletion, and you will have a week to contact the copyright holders to get emails sent to get the required OTRS tickets in place:
Sorry that this stuff is all so fiendishly difficult and complicated. Simple summary: If you did not personally take the photo, please arrange for an email from the copyright holder to be sent to the OTRS team. Files of this type can be uploaded to the Commons; please mark them with an {{OTRS pending}} template. Corporate logos should be uploaded here, and marked for fair use. An example where this has been properly done is File:FaceAdrenalin-Logo.tiff. This logo is too large to meet our fair-use guidelines, so I have marked it for size reduction as well. -- Dianna (talk) 20:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I just spent 15 hours in front of a computer with multiple browsers open reading everything I could and trying to do everything right. I requested the emails for consent be sent direct, which I spent hours deciphering, these are also probably wrong and will have wasted my time and the owners of the logos and images time, which will all have to be repeated... I am very unclear even having read your message several times - these here those there, those too large, those not these, those if that with them and this over there but not if... now these ones over there are marked for deletion, and those over here should be up there. So whatever! Im over images. The ones that are there can just fall away. Over it for now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quadtripplea (talk • contribs) 20:36, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Im confused. Cant you fix things up? Im also not clear on what I should and shouldnt bother working on with what you are deleting anyway Quadtripplea (talk) 20:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I am indeed fixing everything up that is in my power to fix. I have just spent the last hour and a half on it. All the logos are now here on en.wiki, except for the one for the Ranch Resort, which has already got an OTRS permission ticket in place. Don't worry about the size reductions; we have people who specialise in that. What you need to do, if you have not already done so, is to contact the copyright holders of the photographs and get emails sent giving permission to display the images here. For each image that has an email on the way, add an {{OTRS pending}} template. That will keep the files from being deleted for quite some time as they will be in the OTRS queue. And if they are deleted and an email is received at a later date, they can be undeleted. -- Dianna (talk) 20:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Decorah Eagles images
Hi, thank you for alerting me about my screen-shots, but I don't see what is needed from me. After reading the link you suggested, it seems I've done all that is needed by providing the URL to Ustream, from which the screen-shots came. Please leave me simple instructions so I can help further. . Much appreciated, petrarchan47tc01:16, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Petrarchan47. I'm just not seeing anywhere on that webpage where the material is released under license or is in the public domain and is thus available to display here. Am I missing something? -- Dianna (talk) 01:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm probably the one missing something. I've never uploaded images before these, they are screen-shots that I took from my own computer while watching the eagles on their Usteam channel. Does that make me the owner, and what do I need to do to make these images available to display? petrarchan47tc01:31, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
In other words, to my knowledge I own these images. If that is the case, what exactly do I need to do to make these free for anyone to use? The tag says that I had chosen to copyright these images. I did not mean to do that. Thanks for your patience. petrarchan47tc01:49, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
I have been digging around and it looks like their site policy says that the copyright would have to be specifically released by the stream originator. I don't know how to find the specific stream from which you captured the images. Looking at some of the other streams, I am unable to figure out how to determine if the material is copyright or if it has been released under license. Here is a link to their site-wide copyright policy. -- Dianna (talk) 01:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
That would be best, as there does not seem to be a release or license on that page (other than the routine copyright notice). What you need to do is to ask them to send an email directly to the OTRS team telling them that it is okay to display images from the feed on this website. There's instructions at Commons:OTRS. Once you know their email is on the way, please add an {{OTRS pending}} template to each image for which they've given approval. Make sure you include all the images that you uploaded from the feed, not just the four that I tagged for deletion. Once the email is on the way to the OTRS team, please let me know, and I will remove the deletion nomination templates. So sorry for the extra work, but Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously. Thanks -- Dianna (talk) 03:21, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
From what I understand, RRProject has given free license to use of their Ustreams if their website is linked as the source. So I've changed the source from UStream to RRP on all applicable images. Please let me know if I've more to do. petrarchan47tc05:01, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
This is exactly what we were looking for, but you will still have to get an email, as the "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" license is not compatible with the files being hosted here, as it only allows for non-commercial use. That means an email giving permission will still be required. Sorry for the extra trouble. -- Dianna (talk) 15:33, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Why would we need anything other than non-commercial use, Misplaced Pages isn't selling anything? So sorry to trouble you with these questions... petrarchan47tc01:01, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Don't worry, it's a perfectly reasonable question. It's because there's a Misplaced Pages policy that the content, excluding that which is specifically labelled as "non-free" or "fair use", has to be freely copyable by anyone for any purpose. Therefore the copyright holder has to release the material to us under a compatible license. The "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" license is not a compatible license, because it prohibits commercial use. WP:COPYOTHERS gives information on this point. -- Dianna (talk) 01:11, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
The photos really do make the article, since the subject is visual, but I don't have the time to figure out OTRS. It might seem simple to you, but seriously that is one complicated instruction page. Are there any volunteers who know how this process works who try to help save images? petrarchan47tc01:38, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Simple instructions:
Contact the copyrightholder by email and tell them you wish to display the images on Misplaced Pages. Give them the urls for what you've got uploaded.
Ask them if it's okay to display the images, and if so, suggest that they release the material under a Attribution 3.0 Unported (cc by 3.0) or other similar license.
If they agree, they need to send an email directly to the OTRS team at permissions-commons@wikimedia.org from an email address that demonstrates that they are who they say they are. They need to list in the email address the url of each image that they agree to display and which license they have chosen.
For each image they agree to display, you put an {{OTRS pending}} template on the file.
Let me know once this happens, and I will remove the deletion templates. If it happens after the tagged files are deleted, the OTRS volunteer who handles the request will undelete the files. -- Dianna (talk) 05:40, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Would you please consider blocking this single-purpose account engaged in slo-mo revert war with everybody (experienced, long-term editors only)? There are no summaries. No reliable sources. No discussion. The user was already reported to ANI just recently, but I think, the case was closed prematurely. User Kaskusia (talk·contribs) probably thinks, it's a game. Thanks, Poeticbenttalk15:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Poeticbent. I had already edited the article and thus am involved, and won't be issuing a block. However, I have restored the former lead to the article and I have put a message on the editor's talk page about COI, RS, and edit warring. I will watch-list -- Dianna (talk) 16:14, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing up my edit. It looks like I thought some content had been removed, but it had only been moved. -- Dianna (talk) 18:45, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Dianna. Can you delete the extra revisions of File:Daniel Stern.jpg that are not the original upload? Looks like someone got the author and the actor mixed up at one point. The correct image is the one that is shown twice, at top and bottom. I'm also pretty sure the middle image should not be included for licensing reasons. Thanks. —Torchiestedits21:24, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
All done. I don't think we have adequate permissions in place for the licenses that were on the file, so I have converted it to fair use. -- Dianna (talk) 21:32, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks. I stumbled upon that article circuitously, as I often do, and was sad to see he had died. I took a creative writing class from him back in 2001, and though I had a vague idea he was pretty important, I didn't realize what a fascinating and varied life he'd led. —Torchiestedits21:37, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
In my opinion, you should put up at least a few of the most egregious diffs. Not too many though; just your best examples. -- Dianna (talk) 01:23, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
I think you could just start with those, and put up a few more if requested. Be patient; like everywhere else, they're facing backlogs. -- Dianna (talk) 01:27, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Check-user has been declined, and now an admin will review the behavioural evidence. I am not going to comment, because I feel too biased. -- Dianna (talk) 01:31, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
I think you have a named user account in mind as to who you think it is. There may be behavioural evidence that links the old named account to the new named account. You need to tell the SPI admins who you think it is. Do so by email. Send it to User:DoRD. This is all a suggestion though it's worded like an order. I am just tired and unable to pretend to be Japanese at the moment -- Dianna (talk) 05:54, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
So you presented me with a list of some of my rather subjective comments. As you stated, it is not an exhaustive list. However, let's try and avoid a double standard and check fellow WP editor Cynwolfe's comments to me. Cynwolfe initiated this whole thing by stating my ignorance...To a general observation of the nature of discussion which reminds one (who is old enough, like me) of the 1960s. I don't particularly like being called "ignorant" either. I thing you should investigate word-for-word Cynwolfe's comments as well. I think she is overreacting...She even made a comment to me that her typo was "not sinister"...Don't you think that type of a reaction is hypersensitive (?) I did ask Cynwolfe to relax and keep the harmony. I have eased up considerably, and yet you are giving me a warning. Another editor (who did apologize to me) stated to me that I will be blocked so fast that my head will spin...I didn't like that either. Before you start lecturing me, I couldn't care if you are the founder WP, please review both sides and don't cop to a double standard. If I am blocked do you think that really scares me ? LOL I don't like threats...Not from you or anyone. I also don't like your tone, either. Do what you will, but before doing so, be fair and just in your assessment. And don't cop to a double standard because another WP editor is getting almost hysterical. Now this other WP editor (dougweller) explained to me an error in my deletion without being condescending (like Cynwolfe has a few times), but did so in a courteous, mature manner and I had no problem with it. Once again, please look at both sides of the issue before you or anyone else takes further action. There have been some rather colourful characters among WP editors who have used some colourful language, and they are still WP editors and not blocked. Cynwolfe has not responded to me entirely properly, either. When I sincerely made an effort at reconciliation on her talk page (after she notified me of her complaint), her response was that she wanted no further interaction with me. However, she continued to interact with me on Marc Antony Talk Page after this seemingly implacable response to my gesture of reconciliation. You can view this in her Talk Page (unless it was maybe deleted). Again, I do enjoy editing on WP, but it seems like with every human social environment, where the possibility of egos and attitudes exist, there will be degrees of disagreement. I will no longer directly respond to Cynwolfe, but will offer a third person type analysis. Do what you will. Flagrantedelicto (talk) 06:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
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