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Filmmakers

A Filmmakers section has been added. Walt Disney is the only person listed. There are, however, five other obvious candidates:

• Andrei Tarkovsky
• Charlie Chaplin
• Stanley Kubrick
• Federico Fellini
• Akira Kurosawa

Should Walt Disney be replaced with any of these? I hope that someone who is familiar with these six filmmakers can comment. Narssarssuaq (talk) 21:12, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

• Vote Andrei Tarkovsky. Narssarssuaq (talk) 21:12, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
• Vote Walt Disney and undo the change (no consensus, the only person participating in this discussion was you). Walt Disney was added only recently, after a widely-participated-in discussion. Removing him would be jumping the gun. pbp 17:35, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
• I think a wider net would need to be cast than those five proposed additions; Tarkovsky is a viable choice but earlier pioneers like Sergei Eisenstein would probably be more useful to the list than later prodigies. You might want to drop a note past WT:FILM to drum up a consensus on who has the most merit. GRAPPLE X 18:38, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I invited WT:FILM over here. Maybe that will spark some fruitful discussion. Narssarssuaq (talk) 19:34, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
• Vote for either Kubrick or Fellini, def. not Disney. Lugnuts 08:30, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
• Georges Méliès if there only should be one. The popular TSPDT have Orson Welles on top, though that site is in serious conflict with WP:WORLDVIEW. Smetanahue (talk) 20:02, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
• Vote keep disney, add kurosawa, chaplin. tarkovsky is hugely important to film MAKERS, but less known by the general population. Kubrick had a spottier record, and was not quite as important to the development of film worldwide as kurosawa and chaplin (i say that as a rabid fan of 2001). Fellini is a film buffs delight, but not quite as imp as kuro/chap. also, chaplin was a major actor and film business entrepeneur, and the face behind the most iconic film character ever. Bergman is the equivalent of Fellini, eisenstein. its not just who made the best films, but who was most important in the development of the medium as a combination of high art, popular culture and business. note: my "vote" would have to be echoed by more than a few others to matter at all.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

  If you're going by influence alone, then Eisenstein is the only one of those who would come close to a top 5. Most important in that case would be the Lumière bros, followed by pioneers like Méliès, Abel Gance, Dziga Vertov, Jean Epstein etc. If we necessarily have to force an American in, the prime choice among US scholars who want to have a "father of cinema" is usually DW Griffith, though his influence has been severely exaggerated by Anglo-centric historians. Kurosawa et al were great genre filmmakers and undeniably popular, but in genres and with techniques that already were well established by others before them. Smetanahue (talk) 08:21, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

• I don't quite get why only one should be on the list. If this is the case, definitely not Walt Disney. I'd go for either Tarkovsky or Chaplin. Anyway, I think a list of, say, ten filmmakers would be best. --CocoLacoste talk 06:27, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

• I've made room for a few more filmmakers by deleting some other folks - I've added Chaplin, Eisenstein, Kurosawa (to avoid Systemic bias) and Spielberg (I know it may be considered recentism, but I do think he has already made a worldwide impact on the art). ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:50, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Jimi Hendrix

There are currently only 2 "modern" musicians in the "Composers and musicians" cat, which itself only has 9 total entries, so ... do I really have to nom one for demotion, or can Hendrix just be added? If I have to nom one for demotion, does it have to be one of the current 9 entires in that cat? If so Verdi, though admittedly arbitrarily. Neither Elvis nor the Beatles cover modern guitar music, add Hendrix as the 10th article in that cat. GabeMc 08:24, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Any thoughts? GabeMc 22:16, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I dropped Stravinsky and Chopin to make room for some music that represents the rest of the world other than 60s-70s pop and European classical. I think that Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Wagner and Verdi are a reasonable place to cut off since there are none above either of them in their respective fields. For Chopin and Stravinsky one could have long arguments about whether other composers are more suited - Tchaikovsky? Puccini? etc. I added Louis Armstrong to represent jazz (one more would be good), Fela Kuti as a representative of African music, Ravi Shankar as a representative of Indian music, and Antonio Carlos Jobim and Astor Piazzolla to represent Latin America. All of these have had a global impact that goes way beyond their individual continents and into other genres than the one's they played in. I am thinking that a Hip-Hop artist and an artist representing the Asian musical traditions would be reasonable. But then it becomes a questin of space. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Excellent work Maunus! GabeMc 23:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Topic categories

I found some problems with variances between the topic categories for Template:WP1.0/categories and Template:Vital article. It seems that often, both templates will be on the same talk page, and there are 2 topics where the parameters differ slightly: in "Art" and "Philosophy". It looks like Template:VA uses "Art" as a parameter, where Template:WP1.0 uses "Arts". This has led to the creation of parallel categories for Vital articles, I have narrowed it down to the "Art" category for the VA template, as in Category:Misplaced Pages vital articles in Art. However, I can understand the confusion between the 2 parameters being so close to one another. The other topic that I don't know how to resolve is "Philosophy" for the VA template, and "Philosophy and religion" for the WP1.0 template. Currently, there are both Category:Misplaced Pages vital articles in Philosophy and Category:Misplaced Pages vital articles in Philosophy and religion, that are populated by Template:VA. It looks like most of the articles in the 2nd category are related to only "Religion"; however, WP1.0 uses "Philosophy and religion" as its parameter and category. My question is, should we create a "Religion" category tree to replace the "Philosophy and religion" category for the Template:Vital articles? Otherwise, if we use the "Philosophy and religion" parameter for Template:VA, it would require all of the talk pages already in the "Philosophy" categories to have their parameters changed. Appreciate any input! --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Exportable version

Is there an exportable version or dump of this list like in a text file or comma delimited file? 75.70.142.23 (talk) 08:49, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Added Australia to list of continents

List of continents of course must include Australia. I have added it, but not removed any other entry to compensate. 121.45.213.224 (talk) 19:44, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Nice work! How was that one missed I wonder ... GabeMc 22:19, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Because Australia the continent and Australia the country are the same article, I believe... pbp 02:41, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Mathematics

I think Mathematics is overrepresented with 62 entries compared for example with 63 for history and 20 for language. Many of the articles are highly specific and could presumably be covered under the more general entries. Since I am not an expert I would encourage a mathematician to see if they can restructure the math section to make room for more entries in some of the other sections.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:39, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• I quite agree. People from WikiProject Math have had undue weight in the Vital articles process pbp 18:18, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Led Zeppelin and Miles Davis

I suggest adding Led Zeppelin and Miles Davis to "Composers and musicians" category. GeezerB (talk) 19:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

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