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Invite to comment

Dear Dougweller. As an occasional editor at G.H.E, can you please comment in regard to my suggestions. Regards Slovenski Volk (talk) 00:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

General Comments and Recommendations for Dougweller

Hi Dougweller, Circumstances in general events of Life have led me to take special notice of your Profiling-Being more specifically and the Intentions behind your work with the Misplaced Pages community. I would like to ask you questions in the order of thought patterns analysis if you do not mind.

Question #1 : Let's say we are 50 years in the future. If I tell you, what Misplaced Pages will it be like on that time? Will it be more then what it is now, will it be shut down by the Government in pretense of National Security or for economic reasons. Will it grow to be able, like in StarTrek, talk to the computer and it will give you all you need to know on the subject with cross references, analysis and comparative versions of events/subjects?

Question #2 : What is your point of view on the dual nature of the Universe, more specifically on the duality between Self-Conservation and Collective-Evolution? (in other words on the need to preserve traditions VS the need to go forward, or the need to live in luxury VS the need to do hard work-labor to achieve higher goals.) Is Misplaced Pages presents some kind of Duality?

Question #3 : What is for you, the fundamental differences between Knowledge and Believes? The difference between when I say "I KNOW this or that" VS when I say "I BELIEVE this or that". Who can we apply them and present them in Misplaced Pages?

Question # 4 : What kind of information People would like to have when they are searching a subject in Misplaced Pages. Basic information, extended information, out of this world information, extraordinary unedited new stuff information that they cannot find elsewhere, or just whatever information that somebody will present to them. (If you want to Know more on a subject, do you want complete info or just a summary because you lack time)?

Question # 5 : If let say, Misplaced Pages has competition with other (X)_pedias and some official or non official governing organizations forces, oblige Misplaced Pages in a certain censorship rule of conduct. Will it be better for Misplaced Pages to comply with this censorship or will it be better to fight for freedom and free knowledge. (In other words, if there is an infiltration of governing bodies that has power over censorship and they imposes their law on the Misplaced Pages Community, will it be better for the Community to follow the rules of this governing body or will it be better for it to fight it and try to impose her Will over this governing body?

Question # 6 : How about Justice in Misplaced Pages? Are there articles or subjects that gets merits will others gets less. If so, what is for you a good Misplaced Pages Subject and a not so good one? Do you think that another editor-administrator will be with the same exact taste. Or If for you, they are all the same if they are well written and do not get out of hand. For example, articles on esoteric or conspiracy theories, or inventions that got refused by the US Patent Office, etc.?

Question # 7 : Final Question : If I tell you, define yourself, what will be your question? Do you thing that you can be more than you think you are, or you are just limited by the extend of your definition of yourself?

--Fady Lahoud (talk) 01:13, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, no time, but I can assure you that I am more than I think I am. Dougweller (talk) 20:18, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Ancient Egyptians

Doug, your actions can be construed as being biased on the Ancient Egyptian and Black hypothesis pages. It appears that you are almost in collusion with a few other editors, which makes you a really bad candidate to be an impartial administrator for those pages, in particular. If you take action against me, I will seek redress with other administrators and through the proper Wiki channels. As you well know, I have added thousands of cited passages to articles, which have greatly improved the content. Your threats are unfounded and just another example of your bias.Rod (talk) 17:41, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

You continue to misunderstand how Misplaced Pages works. I would never take direct action against you as I am involved. An RfC/U is not an administrative action. My actions on these pages are solely in my capacity as an experienced editor (47,775 edits to articles and about 50,000 elsewhere), not an Administrator.

I'm interested in your claim to have added thousands of cited passages to articles. As you have only made 700 edits to articles with this account, clearly not always adding "cited passages", are you saying that you use other accounts? Dougweller (talk) 18:50, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I do not use other accounts. I stand corrected, I've only added a lowly 700 useful and bold edits to Wiki.Rod (talk) 19:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for clarifying that. I didn't actually think you did but that was pretty puzzling. Dougweller (talk) 20:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit Warring

Would you agree that it requires a minimum of two people to edit war? If so, why did you add the edit war note to my page only and not to both parties (myself and Yalens)? Is that fair and impartial administration?Rod (talk) 23:48, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

The thing is that it's not symmetrical. You violated WP:3RR, and I didn't. --Yalens (talk) 23:51, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Rod, did you even read the link? Yalens is absolutely correct. Dougweller (talk) 05:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Of course, you agree with Yalens, as always. We need a new administrator. Unless I'm reverting myself, someone else must be reverting my changes. Wouldn't that mean that the other editor is keeping pace with my reverts?Rod (talk) 06:54, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

I am NOT acting as an Administrator. And you are being reverted by 3 different editors - you must know that. Yalens, Wdford and I have reverted you. 3 editors. Now you've reverted 4 times and although the 4th is a bit outside 24 hours, it still looks like edit warring. Dougweller (talk) 07:20, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Looking again at the last edit I can see why the editor could say this wasn't a revert, so I'll withdraw the 3RR warning. Dougweller (talk) 07:29, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

RfC: historical revisionist views

There is a current RfC at Juan Manuel de Rosas that could use more input than just the parties involved so far. I am having trouble finding much in the way of guidelines for political/nationalistic/religious-based historical revisionism that seeks to rationalize, sanitize or idealize the past in a way that promotes a particular political/nationalistic/religious PoV. As the History wikiproject seems to be minimally active, and since you have dealt with similar subjects in the past, your input (including any applicable guidelines for future reference) would be appreciated. Thanks. • Astynax 20:25, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

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Topic-banned editor using IP to evade ban?

Against my better judgement, I've recently got involved in editing Armenia/Azerbaijan articles again. Unfortunately, it appears to be the same old same old.

E4024 (talk · contribs) (a Turkish or Azerbaijani POV-pusher) was topic-banned from all Armenian, Turkish and Greek articles this morning per AA2 and ARBMAC. Lo and behold, an IP editor 195.212.29.190 (talk · contribs) has just appeared on an article I created which E4024 tried to disrupt, exhibiting the same behaviour. Compare and contrast . Also, compare these talk page "arguments": and .

If this isn't E4024, then I've a good idea who an alternative might be. I have a strong suspicion there has been a hell of a lot of tag-teaming going on among Azerbaijani/Turkish editors recently. Details available on request. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 13:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually, this might be more meat puppetry than sock puppetry. Who knows? It's definitely not kosher. --Folantin (talk) 13:15, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

The IP is almost certainly Konullu (talk · contribs). Whether he is identical to E4024 or simply a meat puppet, I don't know yet. --Folantin (talk) 13:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

No worries, Doug. I know how you feel. I'm regretting ever having opened this can of worms myself, but now it's open I have a horrible compulsion to see what's in there. I'm compiling evidence about probable tag-teaming/socking. Maybe I'll take the results straight to SPI. I'm not the only one who's noticed this. Anyhow, I'm going to try to handle this with the minimum hassle to myself possible. Once again, I don't blame you for not wanting to drink from this poisoned chalice! --Folantin (talk) 13:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

EL discussion

Hey Doug, I happened upon Misplaced Pages:External_links/Noticeboard#www.rozabal.com and couldn't refrain from commenting. Best, Drmies (talk) 15:51, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Gun politics in Mexico NPOV

EnochBethany does not agree that his/her edits to Gun politics in Mexico are biased/non-neutral and has reverted your reverts to the article. EnochBethany does not seem to realize his/her style of writing does not fit encyclopedic etiquette. Here's my own example of what EnochBethany is doing (emphasized in bold): In order to carry a firearm in Mexico, an individual must received authorization from the government, except for criminals who ignore the law and do as they please.

EnochBethany feels the article must let readers know that not everyone in Mexico follows the law and therefore there are people who get guns illegally and use them illegally. I have no problem with that. It is evident that there are lawbreakers in Mexico, as they are in every other country of the world, and I don't oppose informing readers of the current gun violence/firearm-related crime that exists in Mexico but he/she must express so in an encyclopedic style, not as his/her direct opinion. It would be better if EnochBethany added a Gun violence section to the article, as it exist in the Gun politics in Honduras article, and use that section to describe gun-related crime in Mexico. Thanks. --Usfirstgov (talk) 02:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

re: 3RR

I'm assuming you won't be watching a templated talk page, so please could I draw your attention to the response on mine. Thanks WikiJonathanpeter (talk) 20:04, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Alleged voyage to N. America

You mean: other than the Pohl reference? If you're referring to the oil shales, that's in the WP article for Stellarton... TIA Jpaulm (talk) 00:57, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant does Stellarton mention Sinclair? If not, it's original research and should be removed from the article. Dougweller (talk) 07:01, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Now I'm really confused - sorry to be dense! If you are saying that the article on Stellarton should mention someone who possibly visited in 1398, I can add that. If you are saying that it is my OR, it's not - it is Pohl's, plus possibly other writers. Could you clarify? TIA Jpaulm (talk) 14:52, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I was indeed unclear. "This description fits an area in the Stellarton region of Nova Scotia, famous for its oil shales." - what's the source for this. Pohl? If so, it needs to be attributed to him. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 14:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Doug. I thought the reference was sufficient, so I will add explicit attribution - perhaps you could check the wording after I have done this. TIA Jpaulm (talk) 16:51, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again, Doug. Hopefully I will get better at this stuff! Jpaulm (talk) 01:29, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

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The Political Cesspool

I can tell you've been busy, but if you can check back in over at the talk page so we can move forward, that'd be great. Thanks in advance! Thargor Orlando (talk) 19:14, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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Roza Bal

Suzanne is back, however I think it's worth giving her a chance to see if she can answer (on Talk not editing article herself) any of the 4 simple questions I put which are basic info for a structure stub. (Totally unrelated, do you have any remote interest in Far East or linguistics and would be willing to provide a third eye on an article?) In ictu oculi (talk) 03:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Another editor has made a request for a topic ban of SuzanneOlsson at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Topic ban on user SuzanneOlsson. In fact, she hasn't reverted the Roza Bal article since her block expired. The most you can observe is that she has continued with more of her usual talk page behavior at Talk:Roza Bal#14 February Talk edits above. She thinks we must include her material about Roza Bal or millions of Ahmaddi Muslims will be offended and insulted. EdJohnston (talk) 05:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

You'll see my comments at ANI, also on Suzanne's Talk page. I think we should probably cut her some slack this time last time for being a grandmother, if she can abide by WP:NPA. I wouldn't bet on happy ever after here, but it is in fringe-article space, it isn't as if the disruption is happening at a major article. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:36, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Puzzling Editor User:The long road homw

The long road homw (talk · contribs) Per their contribs:

1. Several unconstructive edits to Hansen Site: and . And going by this edit to my talk they seem to think the Smithsonian trinomial is a Greek character string.
2. The creation of Mia Nihta Mono: A completely unsourced page that may be a non-notable musical subject, I'm not sure because the page seems to be mostly in Greek (literally Greek).
3. Kition : The addition of information with numerous citations to "According to the text on the only plaque at the Kathari site (as of 2013)", "Excerpt of wall mounted text in exhibit room number two at Larnaca District Museum" and similar statements. Unfortunately, there are no links to images of said plaques. Reliable source of information? I took this here Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Kition

I was thinking maybe WP:COMPETENCE might be an issue, but the user seems to know their way around creating an article, going so far as to add cite needed tags to their own unsourced additions . Thoughts? Heiro 10:55, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

The album is mentioned at Antonis Remos - needs sourcing but I think it is probably correct. I'm not sure at all about our policy on albums. If you look at note 110 at Cyrus the Great that cites some notes at the British Museum but that's a lot of cites to plaques etc, let's see what RSN says. This editor does seem to be working hard and in good faith. I think what's needed here is education and patience. As for STs, I'm thinking they should be treated the same way we treat coordinates - I wish the archaeology wikiproject was more active but it still might be worthwhile raising this there. Dougweller (talk) 12:39, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree, they seem to be in good faith, mostly. The trinomial article is relatively new, created by donald albury a monthish ago(mebbe 2), and he has slowly been adding links from numbers to that page to explain them. But yea, I've always treated them the same a coords. They are usually in material I use as sources and citations, but I dont think I've ever cited more than one or two. Here is where I get to the "mostly", after I reverted this addition at "Mound" because it wasn't adequately cited, they then popped over to Hansen Site (one of the many articles on mound sites I created and is listed on my user page) to make a statement about the trinomials. I had some conversation with them this morning, but was really too exhausted to get too much into it (it was roughly 5:00 am here, and I had just sat up all night working on a painting, I had actually just popped on here for a minute while unwinding before trying to get some sleep). I was basically too tired to think straight at that point, which is why I came to you, lol, you always give good guidance. If you could help out with some occasional guidance for them, that would be great. I think they have the potential to be a valuable editor, especially in this field the we both have in common. Unfortunately my IRL schedule is keeping me from being around here very much, and will probably continue to for the next several months. When the Native American archaeo-astronomy book I am illustrating comes out, I'll give you a heads up :-) Heiro 18:56, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Fake cites

S.a.mac2012 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hi Doug. Given that 2 different journal articles cannot occupy the same pages at the same time, along with obvious misspellings in the doctored titles, and deliberately unconstructive changes like substituting centigrade for fahrenheit, etc., I think chances that this editor is a sincere contributor are less than 1%. - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

CCI update

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Noindex Template

Why did you place it on my webpage? -- Portolanero (talk) 12:43, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in, but since Doug's Talk page got on my watchlist I could not help but notice the links posted here. I could be mistaken, but on first glance it looks like Misplaced Pages is being used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles (not a good thing according to WP:FAKEARTICLE). - LuckyLouie (talk) 14:28, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

I've been considering MfD. Dougweller (talk) 14:50, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

User_talk:Portolanero#Noindex_templates - tried to help but not getting anywhere. Could be WP:COMPETENCE. Any advice? - LuckyLouie (talk) 23:17, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

NB

Hello, I have a feeling that Anta An is none other than Shrikanthv whose article on KIMO Industrie-Elektronik GmbH went to AfD and was deleted. When I made my entry there, I did notice he was then an adoptee of Yunshui with whom he also took and passed a 'reviewer' test on 14 January, the day he made his last entries on Kimo as well. I notice he is all over the AfD pages since he created the new account on 13 February, mostly pages visited under the old name. Please have a look. Thanks.--Zananiri (talk) 14:16, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

It is also worth considering the history of DezDeMonaaa (talk · contribs), who recently appeared to vote "keep" on some other AfDs of articles in the Sarkarverse. However, no action was taken after this SPI. bobrayner (talk) 18:00, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Merge and Redirect

Doug, I applied a redirect tag to Hebrew Gospel (Aramaic) and pointed it to Hebrew Gospel hypothesis. Now all four of these so-called Authentic Matthew articles point to the same place. Since we had already reached a consensus to merge on the article talk page, I didn't see any point in dragging this out. Let me know if I overlooked anything important. Otherwise, I'm calling this merge/redirect done. Ignocrates (talk) 17:03, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Section break

Dougweller, I can assure you that the research and facts found in my link are true and verifiable. It appears that the people that edit Misplaced Pages are not interested in any information that does not meet the accepted model of academia. Too sad! I have restored the link in hopes that this research will reach the pubic that is looking for answers. However, if you choose to delete it again, I will not re-post. If that happens, I will simply have to accept the fact that the editors of Misplaced Pages have no interest in seeking answers outside the programming that has been given to us in our public schools. Case in point: The American Indians did not get to the Americas by way of the “land-bridge” across the Bering Strait. They do not share DNA with the Asians (e.g. no face hair). They got to the Americas by boat. The Polynesians managed to find and inhabit every last scrap of land, every tiny island in the vast Pacific Ocean (1/3 of Earth’s surface area), but modern academia would like us to believe that they somehow missed two giant continents. Modern academia is wrong with so many of their conclusions. Misplaced Pages is an instrument for allowing the information age to over-come the false conclusions of so-called experts and give us a better understanding of our world. It should always be based in verifiable facts without being constrained by accepted “theories” and single-minded conclusions that limit how the information is used or understood. Our collective knowledge (scientific and religious) has gotten to a point where we have a great deal more to work with today than we had 50 years ago. The same can be said for the preceding 50 years, and so on. In the information age of today we have so much data it is impossible for one person to process it all. In fact, most of us are so busy just dealing with life that few of us have taken the time to put these questions (and the mainstream answers) to the test by really examining them. Most of us accept the answers that the academic world is offering because we don’t have the time or knowledge to tackle the questions ourselves. We trust the so-called “people-in-the-know”, the professionals, the professors, and the scholars. We take it for granted that they must know what they are talking about. After all, they are the experts. Our society has become so specialized that not one of us knows the whole of human knowledge. So few of our scholars and professors have acquired for themselves, through experience, experimentation and observation, the knowledge they profess to know. And why should they? The people that came before them figured it out. The problem is, the things our forerunners figured out still have a lot of questions left to answer. Theories are being taught as fact, even though they are still theories. Concepts and ideas are being repeated by academia like parrots reciting words they have heard a hundred times. They too take for granted that what they learned is correct. After all, they paid good money for their educations. This is not to say that all scholars, professionals, and professors are just repeating what they were taught. There is an exception to every rule and our society has “Newtons” and “Einsteins” working at the forefront of our scientific knowledge. These individuals think outside “the box” on a daily basis trying to figure out what our forerunners did not. However, if their basic precepts are wrong, then they will not make much progress because they will have the tendency to make their findings fit into the accepted model. Consider this…each generation thinks that their level of understand is the height of knowledge and their model of the universe is right. People thought the world was flat and earth was at the center of the universe. We laugh at this now, but they believed this with all their strength. In the 1950s science thought that the moons of Jupiter were cold icy worlds with no activity and little differences between them. They thought this based on the single idea that deep space was far too cold for anything else. We know now that this is false but our belief in our current understanding is no different. With each new discovery we make corrections and then say to ourselves, “Now that we have corrected that error, all of our knowledge is once again correct.” But is it? We might think that we have it right and we can boast of our technology, but we need to admit that not all of our “knowledge” is correct. Just one hundred and fifty years ago our ancestors thought that steam and steel was the height of technology. Before that, they thought that wooden ships with sails were the ultimate power on the oceans. When Newton wanted to resolve a problem or answer a question, he would retreat into solitude and work on the problem with careful study. He was very careful to make sure that he did not assume anything. He was only interested in things that he could confirm and he did not fill in the gaps with things that ‘sounded’ or ‘felt’ right. When he presented his findings to his contemporaries they usually laughed and/or argued with him while citing the accepted model of the day. Very smart men, well versed in their field of study, tried to protect their view of the world from Newton’s observations. This is human nature and nothing about this characteristic of man has changed to this day. If one wants to see the truth of things more clearly, one must be willing to release the accepted model in favor of new ideas. That is not to say that everything we know is wrong, but rather that we must be willing to see things in a new light if we are to advance our knowledge. Try this little experiment: Watch a documentary from at least fifty years ago and pick out the “facts” that are wrong. Then, watch a documentary from today and try to figure out which “facts” (usually assumptions) will be considered wrong fifty years from now.

Shainathan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shainathan (talk • contribs) 16:11, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Melungeon

The addition of some material in the Melungeon article on DNA studies is ungrammatical and does not reflect the sources; also, the discussions on the Talk page by an unnamed IP is overwhelming to respond to. Most previous editors do not appear to be operating from the same baseline as the new IP. Reading an article by Yates, I was suspicious when he claimed to be finding DNA links from Melungeons to the Lumbees as Native Americans- I know for sure they cannot differentiate among tribes with DNA. (Yates has become convinced he is really Sephardic Jewish and that "most" of the Melungeons were Jewish, Turkish, Portuguese, etc. - the myths.) This is beyond me. On the one hand, the IP wanted to have only DNA studies from families listed in Dromgoole's article of the late 19th c.; in another place is happy to have the DNA results of the 40 "self-identified Melungeons," including Kennedy (Yates claimed that Kennedy was a Turkish name!; there is more and more wild stuff appearing) and Winkler.Parkwells (talk) 18:27, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Roza Bal ANI

I took a look and the Roza Bal ANI is 13-0 with clear consensus. But if nothing is done to close and log it, will archive in 24 hours. That should be avoided after all the effort. By the way, In Ictu said that he found somethings and I looked and they were really impressive: misspelling with a dot, Max Muller, etc. Pretty eye opening research he did. History2007 (talk) 01:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

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My question

I asked you a question here, and request that you please answer it. Another IP editor (111.161.30.218) has made an accusation about you, and whether or not this was a banned editor, his accusation is supported by evidence and appears credible. As an admin, your responsibility is to be honest about the reason for the discrepancy he has raised. 101.0.71.6 (talk) 11:02, 17 February 2013 (UTC)