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The naming of ] is under discussion, see ] -- ] (]) 03:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
The naming of ] is under discussion, see ] -- ] (]) 03:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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Wondering about a name change for this guy, he was one of the main movers and shakers in the last years of the Social Credit era in BC, as I recall Bill Bennett's right-hand man. The article's a bit thin to start with, almost a placeholder, but also sanitized - it doesn't say, for example, what the taped telephone conversations were about, or go into the leadership race with ] and ] or his role as constitutional advisor to Bill Bennett (and his other ties to same). Mostly for hte moment I'm concerned about the title; in all the press coverage of him it was always Bud Smith, I don't think I ever saw him named as Stuar Smith.......or as Stuart Douglas Boland Smith, either, which is his full name. What's BLP on this, if a MOSTCOMMON name is a nickname?] (]) 05:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Alannah Myles tried to donate an image for her article.....
I'm in touch with her regularly via her FB pages......she complained today, with exasperation, that a professional image of her by Rob Doda that she tried to donate was challenged for deletion, and like many laymen she was faced with the many conundrums and obscure/technical language for licensing it; her intent is to make it public domain or fair use, whatever. It's a great image; its filename was 90_Rob_Doda_Retouch_Hi_Res_File.jpg and as you can see from her article's History it went through various tries but finally she gave up; she just replied to me and is sending me the image via email, for me to try to upload and license it properly. I've been challenged for my own donated photos, as well as those from my father's collection, somehow managed to survive that; but for ordinary people wanting to contribute to wikipedia it's got to be made easier, that's for certain. Well, she's not ordinary, she's extraordinary and a great Canadian musical figure/performer.....will someone help me with this please?Skookum1 (talk) 06:17, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to also suggest that some fast-tracking and assistance be there for celebs and other artists/sports figures to donate pics for their pages, instead of facing them with implacable wiki-isms and sundry complications; I know of others who would probably gladly donate pictures for their articles.....but don't want to fuss with the formalities, which are getting more and more complicated IMO.Skookum1 (talk) 06:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
It should go to commons with an OTRS pending tag. It should last 30 days to wait for the email of the photographer/copyright holder. Have them email the file name and a licence type. I used to have a BLP transit file over there for storage and over-writes but someone deleted it. I will upload another one. --Canoe1967 (talk) 06:36, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I just tried to re-add it, but got "There was another file already on the site with the same content, but it was deleted.", though the second, more recent one, she sent me (the other is when she was younger and is a "star" photo, very much so....so what do I do now? Even changing the filename probably won't work; I can email it to you directly, the images were sent to me by her manager, can just forward that email whole of course.Skookum1 (talk) 07:53, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Aaargh trying filling out the form for uploading the second image, said I needed a license tag; but this page is as confusing as ever about what to use.....Skookum1 (talk) 08:07, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
the one you linked I don't think is so bad, but doesn't suit her rock'n'roll diva image no doubt; that's such early 80's hair it's a real blast from the past...companies selling perm products in those years must have made a killing....Skookum1 (talk) 08:35, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
To replace my cat image just click the 'Upload new version' below the file history thumbnail section at the commons page and enter a reason for the change. I use http://commons.wikimedia.org/Commons:Commonist and not the default upload wizard. It doesn't need any inputs to upload. I just add licences etc. after upload.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Moxy, Canoe & Skookum for your help. Moxy, as if it were at all possible, you have make it even more difficult to understand this Wiki process by describing the photo uploads in highly unprofessional jargon that does not befit a public forum where facts matter and opinions don't!!! To aid in clarifying the matter of what stays and what goes am I now to understand that "The horrible image is the same image as the one with the 80's hair"???? File:2 CROP Rob Doda (Med) Blonde B&W.jpg Was uploaded by mistake, making it next to impossible to delete without 29 steps, the degree in copyrite law required to delete it or the humiliation of your rude comments! Take your pick. Alannah Myles. Avatarecord inc (talk) 02:24, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
No problem with the rant. The photo was taken by Rob Doda. He will need to provide permission for our use of it here. If you wish to avoid all this wikidrama, feel free to email me at Special:EmailUser.--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:36, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Just forwarded you, I guess it's you, the pics and letter from her manager, whose email it's from; he can get the appropriate letter from Rob Doda....some way to expedite celebrity/sports figure donations of their folio items that they're OK with making public domain would be good to have......Skookum1 (talk) 03:31, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
NB Ms Myles may read this section, as I sent her the link; I suggest we break from regular talkboard practice and delete those comments about that pic, and what I said too......Mr Doda may read them, too.....Skookum1 (talk) 03:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
A friend of mine is a decendant of Peter Fidler (explorer) and his grandfather left him one of those rare HBC shotguns. Once we get it across the border I hope to take some pictures of it. We also plan to drive out to Elk Point and take some pictures of the statue some day. I think Mr. Fidler actually trained McKenzie and Thompson before they paddled all over Canada.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:27, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I think there's a WikiProject "fur trade", not sure what it's called; an HBC/NWC subgroup might be a good idea....I have a friend, not on Misplaced Pages, who has found all (or most) of the descendants of people who were on staff at Fort Langley, and has all kinds of interesting stuff on them. www.childrenoffortlangley.ca I think her site is, I'll check and come back. Lots of explorer and trader bios are yet to be done at all....a key part of Canadian history to be sure...Skookum1 (talk) 03:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, his decendants tell me he had done a lot of stuff that isn't in his article. There is a book on him they should buy so we can expand the article.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:29, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
It's someone from the resort, I'm pretty sure. I (sort of) cleaned up the same stuff a while ago. Someone should go say hi (I nominate Moxy!). The Interior(Talk)21:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
It's definitely someone from the resort. Look in the article history at how a new user named BigWhiteSkiResort made three big edits, then got blocked, then new user LooseMoose63 started making big edits again 14 minutes later. Wikidsoup22:09, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
About stuff like that, suggest a template be come up with to refer such users to wikitravel.org and wikivoyage.org.....Skookum1 (talk) 04:51, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Used to have similar problems with Whistler, and also with the Okanagan wine marketing people......(damn that was a battle, fighting the false geography in their p.r. materials, which get used as cites, as if true....).......many town pages are written as if tourist brochures, Vancouver's has an ongoing battle with that about palm trees LOL....wikitravel and wikivoyage are where such ad-related contributors should be referred to, and some kind of template advising tourism-promotional editors what's allowed and what isn't could be developed.Skookum1 (talk) 05:03, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Not sure what to make of substantial edit by a SPA; was all the old material salvaged and was what is new POV or COI or COPYVIO; seem clearly COI at least.....as always ski resort people try and write tourism articles, LooseMoose should be sent to WikiTravel maybe?Skookum1 (talk) 04:03, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
LooseMoose63 is at it again. How do I make a request to have the user blocked? I am unfamiliar with the process. Wikidsoup04:06, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Oh, what a surprise , IP 209.97.195.205 made the same edits as LooseMoose63, and guess where that IP is located? Near Kelowna, which is right near Big White. Wikidsoup04:10, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Can someone please advise me on how to follow up on this problem? Another anonymous IP that is surely the same user just keeps putting back the content. Should I seek a semi-protect on this article or what? Wikidsoup00:59, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Further evidence: some of the wording the user(s) keep adding is very similar to a Big White brochure (which i can't link to because the bigwhite.com domain is on wikipedia's blacklist) Wikidsoup01:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Hard not to laugh at that....how many other corporate websites are similarly blacklisted? And in this case, why??Skookum1 (talk) 04:24, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Some kind of outreach to tourism industry and BC Tourism should be made about this kind of thing, and encouraging them to use the other wiki services instead of viewing Misplaced Pages as an advertising/marketing site........Skookum1 (talk) 04:26, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Have no idea what their usage stats are; Wikivoyage seems to be a newer, better, WikiTravel, much of the copy from the latter is now on the former....far busier than WikiNews, that's for sure; but once the tourism industry clues into its existence it could well become among the most-read travel sites.....Skookum1 (talk) 10:50, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
This is the WikiTravel article, gonna have to ask at the respective projects what the qualitative differences, if any, are and how to address them; it may be that WikiVoyage will supplant WikiTravel for whatever reason/strategy....Skookum1 (talk) 10:55, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Weirdness on WikiTravel....Iv'e been trying to log in/register, it takes it then says next page I'm not logged in; and "your edit has been identified as harmful and has been blocked"....tried to take it to "Report a Problem" and get the same result there. WTF?Skookum1 (talk) 11:12, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
"Winter scene in Miles Canyon, No. 1102", E.J. Hamacher. (White Horse, Yukon, 1902)
...okay, I can't imagine there's actually many people in London (the English one, not Ontario) reading this regularly, but you never know!
I've recently been working on a project at the British Library to digitise several thousand Canadian photographs from 1895-1925; these are now sitting on a server awaiting a transfer to Commons, which I expect will be completed by mid-April.
Before we can do this, though, we need to make sure they're all prepared, and to do this we're hosting a public workshop on 18 March - details are here. The goal will be to get the images all cropped and sorted, and check that they do indeed show what our catalogue claims they are. If anyone will be in the area, we'd love to see you there - let me know! Andrew Gray (talk) 22:08, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts. I don't think cropping or rotating are all that crucial before uploading. Commons users can help with both of these if you run short on volunteers. They have a bot over there that does rotations and crops can be done before use in articles by those that wish to use them. If you don't get them all cropped and rotated they could be categorized and handled by bots en masse I would think. Category:BL Rot90, Rot180, Rot270 and BL crop, type thing. Once they are all done we can delete the cats.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:27, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Rotating is pretty easy; for most of these, it's an annoying skew of ~5 degrees that we're fixing as part of the crop. Not enough to stop it being useful, but enough to make it look irritating when in the article :-). Easier to do it in advance and encourage reuse that have Commons users have to fiddle around cropping, I feel... Andrew Gray (talk) 13:50, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I see your point. I know many in commons that think their skills are the best in the world and would trust their volunteer skills better than the skills of your volunteers is all. This isn't my opinion though. If any do seem cropped to tight then they should be few and probably easy for you to provide originals on request. I made the original point in case you run short on time or volunteers is all.--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Bella_Coola_(ski_area) was just created, which I noted when it showed up on the Templates {{Ski areas and resorts in British Columbia}}......aside from having some bad geography (the Cascade Mountains in Canadian usage end at the Fraser, despite an older tradition of using them for the Coast Mountains as well), my problem is that this isn't really a ski area but more an advert for a giving company; should it just be retitled to the company name and deal with as a business article? Otherwise should this notion be used also for the dozens of other heli and snowcat operations about the province?Skookum1 (talk) 09:23, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't think there should be a 'Bella Coola (ski area)' article. Anything to do with skiiing in that area can be added to the Bella Coola area. As for renaming to the business name ... does that business deserve its own article? I'm not that familiar with what would make it notable enough for that. Wikidsoup17:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I had wondered about a ] but that's too much like a directory......heliskiing and sno-cat based skiing are an important part of the tourism sector. There are other heli-skiing articles I think, though some are notable because of their (ahem) accident history I guess.....in general ski area articles are tourism-oriented and so full of obviously press copy, if rephrased to avoid COPYVIO for the most part...but it's almost like they belong more in WikiVoyage......So far nobody from {{tl:Ski}} where I also posted this notice (asking for replies here if any) as to how this is being handled by that group, if at all. This article should probably get deleted then.....or simply sent over to wikivoyage; some regional sub articles on Winter sports in the Coast Mountains and so on by region/range might work to cover all aspects of skiing, boarding and related actitivities? But is that again just a directory waiting to happen?Skookum1 (talk) 04:58, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
The former article is newly-created and seems to be one of the main human-geography subdivisions of Alberta, as seen on the map on that page. The title is confusing though as this is some kind of governmental region-brand and not a geography article as such, though contains lots of same.....not sure if these are Alberta tourism regions or what; what subdivisions are used for Alberta's categories anyway? This edit put me onto this.....(note edit comments). There's a series of equivalent region terms in BC, most of them range.......as far as historic regions go, East Kootenay/Elk Valley, Columbia Valley, Big Bend Country and Robson Valley are the BC co-respondents, up as far as east of PG anyways; north of that it's all geographic units e.g. Muskwa Ranges, Kechika Ranges.Skookum1 (talk) 05:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Webcite
For those of you are not already familiar with it, I want to plug Webcite (with which I have no association whatsover - I just think it's a great resource). It is a fantastic tool that we should all be using more often when we are adding web-based references to articles.
Archiving a web-based source using Webcite (or any similar site that offers a similar service) solves a number of problems. First, it preserves the source so we don't end up with deadlinks, as so often happens over the course of time. Second, it helps avoids problems associated with content on websites being revised over time (sometimes subtly), such that later Misplaced Pages readers see something different at the source than what the citing contributor saw.
Citation templates such as {{Cite web}} and {{Cite news}} all have "archiveurl" and "archivedate" fields for the link and date associated with an archived copy, and as most of you know this is easily done through your tool bar.
Webcite is crowdfunding so as to raise the money necessary to continue offering this service beyond 2013. If you are able to give, or are interested in finding out more, their fundraising site is here. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:33, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I think this was brought up at the Village Pump as well and they was talk about getting funding from WMF. How does it differ from the Wayback Machine or are they duplicating a service?--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:33, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Webcite archives on demand; although you can submit an URL to the Internet Archive for archiving, you cannot predict when the archiving will be done and made available to the public. isaacl (talk) 13:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Isaacl is correct. Webcite archives within seconds, so you can do it as you prepare references for an article. Extremely helpful. Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:02, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
I don't have time to make it....came across the name Simon Plamondon on an article on a WA-state native people as having married into the tribe during the days of Fort Vancouver. There's lots of entries here so when anyone feels like something mechanical to do....Skookum1 (talk) 07:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Luc Plamondon is not restricted to Montreal. And as Montreal is a major city with some English speaking population, the major metro station would be more prominent that the other Plamondon topics, except Luc Plamondon. AFterall, Celine Dion is a worldwide topic, and one of her songwriters would get pulled along. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 03:10, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm not a Montrealer, and my first thought was Luc Plamondon too as the primary use. He's also very well known in Europe. I don't really care about what redirects to Plamondon, but I do think the "Celebapedia" comment is unhelpful. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 21:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree it should be a dab page - but for the reason that things like the Okanagan people and Okanagan Range are also well-known. Not sure people outside Canada would think the name is a place in Canada by default. Like Chilliwack bet most Americans and Europeans think of Chilliwack (band) not the place...again showing my age here. Moxy (talk) 05:54, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
We had someone write in to us via email about the following four articles:-
Milford (Halifax), Nova Scotia (Milford is not a part of Halifax, or HRM - Halifax Regional Municipality, the area is not sub divided as indicated into "Milford station" & "East Milford")
I've left in brackets after each article the comments that the emailer sent to us. Unfortunately I'm not an expert on Canadian geography, so if someone who knows a bit more about it could have a look at the articles and see what needs to be done to bring them into line with Misplaced Pages expectations, that'd be much appreciated.
Per the county website, it does appear Milford exists as a place name in Annapolis county. I am guessing as an unincorporated community, but will make no comment on the feasibility of an AfD on it, as named places generally seem to get a free pass. The complaint about Milford (Halifax), Nova Scotia seems accurate though, since the community of Milford Station is apparently closer to Truro than Halifax. Seems unlikely to be part of the HRM. The only legitimate mention of "East Milford" I can find is the "East Milford Mastodon", and it does seem that East Milford and Milford Station could be the same place. Anyone who lives further east have any thoughts? Resolute02:55, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
There's (perhaps inaccurate) information at StatsCan, per the Standard Geographical Classification (SGC) used by the agency.
So in this case, East Milford is a community in Halifax, and it is the attempt to tie it with Milford Station that is the error? Resolute03:17, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
As for the Milford in Annapolis County, the county itself recognizes such a place. It's apparently within their Municipal District 8, but from the associated maps I would say there's not much there in terms of a community. I would be inclined to redirect the article to Annapolis County, Nova Scotia. PKT(alk)13:59, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
But regional district electoral areas for BC are also polling districts; also census areas, too, yes, though I've long maintained they should be submerged into regional district articles as not truly meaningful ways of dividing up BC for categorization purposes (somewhat of a different issue re categories...); many placenames in BC that are nothing now, e.g. ghost towns, have an article.....I guess the issue here is, is the Milford area large and does it have a particular history, rural or not? Skookum1 (talk) 14:48, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
A reader from the area wrote in saying that Milford doesn't exist in Annapolis County, and like I wrote there's no identifiable community from reading maps. Besides that, setting it to redirect is an easily-reversible action, in case some currently unknown factoid comes to light. I am setting the redirect in place. PKT(alk)12:27, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Please re-read my comments. I didn't rely on a local reader - I found the placename is legitimate, but there's no community there to speak of. PKT(alk)00:27, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I've had that on the back burner since reaching GA. It would need a look over by the military and poetry projects for advice on further expansion. I know I want to expand and put critical reviews of the poem into its own section. Resolute02:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
National Contribution Month
Contribution Day in University Laval, Quebec City in February, 2012.
Sorry for my poor English!
Hello everyone,
During the month of April, in collaboration with Wikimedia Canada, we organize the National Contribution Month. Basically, these are contributive days held throughout the month of April all across the country, where local Wikipedians gather to work together on an article, either physically in a room, or via IRC. It's very simple, two Wikipedians (or more), gather in a room, a library, a café, to improve an article or a topic.
Wikimedia Canada will display banners on Misplaced Pages EN & FR to get more people attend, but the first step is to organise core groups in a few cities to start the movement. The aim is not only to improve articles, but also to allow local Wikipedians to meet and initiate new editors to Misplaced Pages.
In a nutshell, before the end of March, we are looking for Wikipedians who want to organize a Contribution Day in their cities. There are already some cities under discussion: Toronto, Brampton, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Montreal, Quebec City ... but we would like to see some also in other Canadian provinces. Are you interested? We can help you to organize one in your city.
the main article title was used for a recent speedy, resulting in something awkward; I changed the title on the main article, which is now Chilcotin (region) as Chilcotin is a dab page; in the speedy renaming listing I commented on Category:Chilcotin as an option as and do not have "(region)" in them.......but didn't know what to do bc of the dab page, unless Chilcotin is recognized as the primary usage?Skookum1 (talk) 07:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Having some difficult, as usual, with regional district-derived categories; this one Category:Populated_places_in_the_Cariboo_Regional_District should really be Category:Populated places in the Cariboo, as some of the Cariboo, by way of example, is in the Thompson-Nicola Regional District and some is in the Squamish-Lillooet Regional District. There's a Category:Populated places in the Chilcotin as a subcat of this; again problematic because some of the Chilcotin is not in the CRD, but in the Central Coast Regional District or whatever's to the northwest of the CRD.......far better to use conventional regoin names than to classify by regional district; only member municipalities belong in a regional district article IMO: especially places e.g. Barkerville which were dead and empty (not now) when the RD was created....but "populated places" is also a problematic term, often places in BC are just placenames either where cities/towns were, or were planned....they may not be actually populated; I was going to start one on Kimsquit but it's not inhabited so far as I can tell (even Kemsquit 1 seems unpopulated from what I can find out; though once a noted place. (it's CCRD not CRD though)......anyways pondering a change to Category:Populated places in the Cariboo and yes, it's hard to cite what the Cariboo's boundaries are; largely a matter of self-definition in each community; Ashcroft and Clinton both bill themselves as gateways to the Cariboo, some in Lytton would reckon that to be the start of the Cariboo, but they are in the TNRD; sometimes Kamloops is even included....100 Mile House s in the Lillooet Land District, as is Clinton......the differing regionalization boundaries in BC are not, to me, so useful or relevant as using the historic region designations/identifications...as before I'm not in the mood for a protracted CFD on all of the "in the so and so regional district" subcategories, hut this one's a case in point whh they're not really workable or relevant.Skookum1 (talk) 08:26, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Please see this note on Talk:Chilcotin re maybe changing "Chilcotin" to somehow not be a dab page, with the primary usage being the region? The argument could be made that the people are the primary usage globally, but .....wondering if until this is resolved maybe remove the category from the speedy CFD list?Skookum1 (talk) 07:31, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
I don't know who added/built all these tables, but the piping of European Canadian to "White" to me is not appropriate in the slightest; I've been removing the pipe on articles found so far, apparently there's lots.....also piping "multiracial" as "mixed....visible minority" is also not appropriate and highly misleading. I don't have time to fix them all, other than some in the GVRD ("Metro Vancouver"'s real name) also on Ashcroft's.....and also deleted all the "0 population" entries as pointless and irrelevant; on any of these, given the composition of the so-called "European" population being so ethnically diverse, it is far more appropriate to put up ethnicity tables than focus on who's "coloured" and who's not. "White" people are not homogenous like the p.c. version of reality likes to pretend. And when there's 5 people of a given group, describing them as a percentage like 0.4% is just silly.Skookum1 (talk) 07:24, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
LOL looks like a long read, I browsed about 20 comments, will get back to it later. My main objection is that Demographics sections often are all about this; as you know I went and added ethnicity tables for towns I could find that for; StatsCan doesn't publish them all (unless you pay for them) and the obsession with presenting visible minorities is very much a political agenda. Many smaller places have very specific ethnic histories; it matters far less how many Asians are in Bella Coola or Grand Forks vs how many Norwegians are left in the former, or how many Doukhobors still are in Grand Forks, for example; Trail and Revelstoke in my time were notably Italian, the Fraser Valley towns have huge Dutch and German and other components; and as noted, the substitution/piping of "European Canadian" into "White" is highly questionable, but then white Latin Americans, of wholly European blood, are classified as "visible minorities"......ethnic/race issues aside, demographics should cover things like income and age and so on, they're more relevant; and yes the '0' fields should all be removed. The people who assiduously mine StatsCan for only visible minority data should be doing all the age/income and employment etc...and avoid changing the StatsCan designations of groups like "multiracial" into "mixed".......why a tiny place that's mostly native doesn'st really need a table saying that there's 0.01% Sri Lankan in it, when that Sri Lankan is only one person.Skookum1 (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Rob Ford
Saw that Rob Ford was in the news again, so decided to read his article here - and wow. Regardless of how embarrassing Rob Ford is to the city of Toronto and to Canada as a whole - I have to say his article is a bit much. I would agree with anyone who questions how this guy got and still has this job - but the article is way way way unbalanced, the sections Media relations, Conflict of interest and Other controversies make up 60 to 75 percent of the article.Moxy (talk) 03:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
not surprising, really, given the nature of that beast and the p.r. machine around him.....if the full facts were up about other politicians, plus the spinback b.s., almost any of them you'd have to question how they got the job and still have their job, or whatever newer one they've been bumped upstairs with (e.g. the current Canadian High Commissioner in London....). Sounds like a battlefield article, as non-T.O.'er I'll stay out of it ;-).Skookum1 (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Just had look at Tom Flanagan (political scientist) which has had a lot of activity lately, of course......my main thing there is "political scientist" and not "political strategist" or "political advisor" not more appropriate; not a political scientist by training, and more of a political engineer, really, having had a partisan appointment to a university professorship (now revoked I think) doesn't make you a political scientist; but many political articles have dubious career dabs/descriptions.....Gordon Campbell is listed as teacher though he did that only a short time, like Stephen Harper and Jason Kenney he's only ever been a political activist and career politician, little else. "Political scientist" for Flanagan to me is off-base and a spinjob. But maybe he's "just visiting" (he's the one who coined that slag for Michael Ignatieff).Skookum1 (talk) 03:59, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Well, to be honest, part of the problem here is that the guy has accomplished so little of any substance that by and large the controversies and foot-in-mouth moments and the like are really all there is to write about him most of the time. But I do agree with you that there's a very serious balance problem here; I really could have sworn that I raised a concern last year about his article getting weighed down with an overemphasis on minor stuff, but I can't seem to find it now. Substantive legal troubles should be covered here, yes; the myriad moments when stuck his foot in his mouth and got laughed at for a day or two, with no meaningful further consequences, should not be. (Like for starters, we shouldn't go anywhere near the question whether he groped Sarah Thomson's badonk or not, given the "he said this, she said that, and nobody can actually prove anything either way" nature of the whole thing.) I may not like the guy much, but we still have to use some critical filtering to decide what's worth writing about and what isn't — I suspect, frankly, that we should maybe get some uninvolved party (such as a non-Canadian who won't have too many preexisting views about the guy) to give it a once-over for WP:BLP compliance. Bearcat (talk) 23:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
List of political gaffes in Canada could be very lengthy. as with fuddle duddle, though, what's a gaffe and what isn't might not all be that clear to some people. "stupid things said at the wrong time" is not the same as comments that are merely controversial.Skookum1 (talk) 05:45, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Someone had put a "significant?" tag on the Chilcotin page listing for this. It's for one of seven or eight BC Tourism regions (http://www.hellobc.com is the government site] and in fairly wide use; at times as you know I've opined about classifying parks and visitor attractions by this system (though parks actually have their own regions under BC Ministry of Environment). They really do need articles, the tourism regions I mean, though some of them are, well, kinda deliberately misnamed e.g. Kootenay Rockies which really means "Kootenays & Rockies" but in rebranding they're trying to pitch the West Kootenay as part of the Rockies (which they aren't). Can't remember the others just not, Cariboo Chilcotin Coast does crop up a lot, though; NB such articles should not be region articles exactly, they are to be about tourism items. Parallel/conflicting regionalization systems in BC governance are a broad issue, and again why I oppose using RDs to classify various things into categories.....all major BC Govt region series/systems should have articles; there's a Forest Regions and Districts of British Columbia article (I think someone has lower-capped that title lately) but in those cases e.g Kamloops Forest Region the statistics available from sources are those for the Annual Allowable Cut (AAC) and production/employment figures and the like; no need for categories there I think unless there turned out to be enough articles on mills in a certain area to warrant it, or some controversy attached to forestry in that region. Tourism regions are current, though; I se that WikiVoyage has derived its own region system for BC, I don't recall its divisions here. Unlike other provinces BC does not have a "fixed" set of governmental regions, each jurisdiction of government has their own boundaries for regions....the tourism region articles seem necessary but ....Skookum1 (talk) 03:56, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
These pages contain some unusual material, also uncited, but also lack full coverage because BC and Maritime/Newfoundland stories are missing; an old tub thump for me on any history/demographics article, but this applies to other articles as well no doubt; the Norwegians article has some English flaws, probably authored in Norway and needs lots of work....I've made a few comments on both articles' talkpage s.Skookum1 (talk) 05:34, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
to my surprise, there's nothing in "Places" about Canadian Acadia exactly; maybe the lede line can be amended to describe Acadia, in its current and historical meanings; there's also Acadie_(disambiguation) but it seems to me a separate article is called for; unless there's a special section on History of New France if there is such a page, or on New France?Skookum1 (talk) 07:32, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Is there any chance that anyone with more writing skill than me could work on Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine's article? There's virtually nothing as to information on what he is most known for (politics), with the article mostly being of his posthumous honours and family... (and the article is linked from On this day... today)– Connormah (talk) 12:26, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I just spent a while fixing stuff but there's still tons to go; someone expanded this using bumpf from Tourism BC that's all garbage.....lots was in badly composed English........lots of external links in text, and written like ad copy. The older version of this article wasn't so bad....see the history for the bunk stuff I took out. Major BC city, needs to be GA....there's a WP:WikiProject Okanagan but it doesn't seem very active....Skookum1 (talk) 09:26, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I didn't say that at all. It's just not very active other than creating templates and, in one case, a category name that had to be changed/split. It's a good idea to have regional wikiprojects or subprojects for BC, e.g. WP:WikiProject KootenaysWP:Vancouver Island etc. The Okanagan one is kinda special because of the cross-border alliance of the American Okanogan with the Canadian Okanagan. My point about the Penticton article's sloppy writing and (though I fixed a lot) complete rubbish from TourismBC being used as a cite.Skookum1 (talk) 04:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Wondering about a name change for this guy, he was one of the main movers and shakers in the last years of the Social Credit era in BC, as I recall Bill Bennett's right-hand man. The article's a bit thin to start with, almost a placeholder, but also sanitized - it doesn't say, for example, what the taped telephone conversations were about, or go into the leadership race with Bill Vander Zalm and Grace McCarthy or his role as constitutional advisor to Bill Bennett (and his other ties to same). Mostly for hte moment I'm concerned about the title; in all the press coverage of him it was always Bud Smith, I don't think I ever saw him named as Stuar Smith.......or as Stuart Douglas Boland Smith, either, which is his full name. What's BLP on this, if a MOSTCOMMON name is a nickname?Skookum1 (talk) 05:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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