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| :::::::::Let's deal with behavior and consequences, and leave AGF-violations in our , quashed by conscience /slash superego /slash tit-for-tat adaption. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]]</span></small> 18:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC) | :::::::::Let's deal with behavior and consequences, and leave AGF-violations in our , quashed by conscience /slash superego /slash tit-for-tat adaption. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]]</span></small> 18:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC) | ||
| :::::::::::But why do you need a template? Why not just copy "site:<url> site:<url> site:<url>..." into Notepad, and then copy-paste it whenever you need it? The infoboxes improve the actual articles and without them the articles would not look the same to the ''reader''. Anyway, my arguing this with you on your talk page rather than on the actual TfD is veering dangerously close to ]. I didn't mean for it to be such. We should stop this now, anyway. ] (]) 19:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Swedish?
I noticed you mentioned some swedes on your user page. Do you happen to speak Swedish? Carl Emil Pettersson is an unfinished translation and it doesn't have inline citations. I can get the book Kung Kalle av Kurrekurreduttön – en resa i Efraim Långstrumps fotspår through an interlibrary loan and scan pages, but I can't read it to help fix the citations. I'm looking for a Swedish editor to help out. Ryan Vesey 5:49 am, 17 January 2013, Thursday (9 days ago) (UTC+1)
- I can look for it in a library and translate what you need. If you need only a short section, then you can email me a scanned page or pdf file, and I can translate it for you. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:03 am, 17 January 2013, Thursday (9 days ago) (UTC+1)
- Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:03 am, 17 January 2013, Thursday (9 days ago) (UTC+1)
- Thanks, I've made a request and they're sending it my way. I'm hoping it has an index, which should be understandable in any language, so I can figure out what I need. Ryan Vesey 6:22 pm, 17 January 2013, Thursday (9 days ago) (UTC+1)
- From discussions, it actually doesn't appear that Neotarf intends to finish the translation from the Swedish version sv:Carl Emil Pettersson. If you've got extra time and you're up for it, it would be nice if that translation could be finished. Ryan Vesey 9:54 pm, 18 January 2013, Friday (8 days ago) (UTC+1)
- The translation would take a few hours, I guess. One problem is that it lacks in-line references, which means that I would have to find the book, read it, and give page numbers for the article's statements. Also, Swedish humanistic scholarship is worse than British lit critters in the eyes of Morris Zapp, which means I would have trouble trusting the book... ;)
- Is this a burning issue for you? I trust that you are not writing about the social construction of imperialism and patriarchy in the works of Astrid Lindgren. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:19 pm, 18 January 2013, Friday (8 days ago) (UTC+1)
- An editor began a translation in the mainspace, the article was tagged for some errors, then the editor threw a hissy fit and refused to finish the article. My initial offer of getting the book to help with the in-text citations was directed towards the editor; however, he said he didn't have time to fix the article and continue with the dramafest he started about how New Page Patrollers should be omniscient and shouldn't tag crappy articles when the creator is working on them. I was just hoping to make sure the article was fixed up. Ryan Vesey 21:58, 18 January 2013 UTC)
- It's not a hissy fit for a writer to leave when harassed.
- The ratio of busy-body bothers to writers' discussions has been increasing dramatically in the last months. Why don't people write articles instead of putting their little tags on works in progress, or making polite suggestions? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:19 pm, 18 January 2013, Friday (8 days ago) (UTC+1)
- That reminds me a little bit of when I was doing NPP and came across the original version of Meermin slave mutiny. But that one worked out fine - I just took over when the original author didn't want to do more with it, and he ended up really liking it. Pesky (talk) 7:51 am, 19 January 2013, last Saturday (7 days ago) (UTC+1)
- An editor began a translation in the mainspace, the article was tagged for some errors, then the editor threw a hissy fit and refused to finish the article. My initial offer of getting the book to help with the in-text citations was directed towards the editor; however, he said he didn't have time to fix the article and continue with the dramafest he started about how New Page Patrollers should be omniscient and shouldn't tag crappy articles when the creator is working on them. I was just hoping to make sure the article was fixed up. Ryan Vesey 21:58, 18 January 2013 UTC)
- From discussions, it actually doesn't appear that Neotarf intends to finish the translation from the Swedish version sv:Carl Emil Pettersson. If you've got extra time and you're up for it, it would be nice if that translation could be finished. Ryan Vesey 9:54 pm, 18 January 2013, Friday (8 days ago) (UTC+1)
- Thanks, I've made a request and they're sending it my way. I'm hoping it has an index, which should be understandable in any language, so I can figure out what I need. Ryan Vesey 6:22 pm, 17 January 2013, Thursday (9 days ago) (UTC+1)
DYK for Alfie Fripp
 | On 17 January 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alfie Fripp, which you recently nominated. The fact was
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— Crisco 1492 (talk) 9:02 am, 17 January 2013, Thursday (9 days ago) (UTC+1)
- 11,773 views! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:07 pm, 18 January 2013, Friday (8 days ago) (UTC+1)
- Wow! Awesome - well done :D Pesky (talk) 7:48 am, 19 January 2013, last Saturday (7 days ago) (UTC+1)
- Nice to see a nice fellow from Dorset mentioned, instead of the Green fellow.... ;)
- I had not known that The Great Escape was a British yuletime tradition. Of course, WWII must strike nerves in GB even more than in the US.
- My grandmother was interviewed about meeting my grandfather in WWI, when she was a nurse who cared for him after he had almost lost his leg to a German bullet (discussing losing ships on the convoy to England, etc.), we had people calling the house in tears. (Don't get me started on The Zimmerman Telegram and "unrestricted submarine warfare"!) Kiefer.Wolfowitz 1:20 am, 21 January 2013, last Monday (6 days ago) (UTC+1)
- Wow! Awesome - well done :D Pesky (talk) 7:48 am, 19 January 2013, last Saturday (7 days ago) (UTC+1)
WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter - February 2013
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Cite book template: Weirdness
Did anybody announce changing the cite book and related templates?
It's irritating that many of my articles have ugly red blotches. Maybe I missed something in The Signpost? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 16:01, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- I suspect what you're seeing is a side effect of the Lua rollout. See also Wikipedia_talk:FAC#Red_error_messages. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:13, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Nikkimaria,
- Your link was informative. Thanks again! :)
- I confirm that you have my power of attorney on Misplaced Pages. :D
- My errors seem to have been isbn errors (one where I gave the printed isbn, which was a typo in the book, rather than official non-printed isbn) and no-tolerance for unsupported fields, which could be supported in the future (e.g., a field inspired by the BibTeX entry from Mathematical Reviews's MathSciNet). The WP error messages are likely reasonable, insofar as we wish to have a style guide (like any semi-pro publication).
- Best regards, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- That'll teach you to use those horrible citation templates, K-Wolf!!! Carrite (talk) 17:45, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
AutomaticStrikeout's talk page
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Disruptive EditingIf you do not cease editing User talk:AutomaticStrikeout I will block you for disruptive editing. Administrators and most other editors have better things to do than fight over a pointless comment on the talk page of a retired user. Drop the stick, back off from the dead horse and go find something productive to do instead. Nick (talk) 00:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Indefblock {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.
I've been trying to leave this for about 30 minutes now, apologies for the delay. Hi Kiefer, you have been blocked for disruptive editing, this chiefly covers two areas of concern. There has been an allegation that you have breached the WP:OUTING policy, which is the reason for the indefinite block and why I removed access to your talk page initially. The disruption on your and other talk pages would normally have resulted in the talk page being protected and/or a short block of 12-24 hours. In order that you may be unblocked, I need to know that you understand the outing policy and that you agree not to refer to editors in anything other than the way they ask to be referred to, i.e via their Misplaced Pages username, unless they grant you permission to use other names or forms of greeting. I'd also like to see that you've dropped your interest in the AutomaticStrikeout talk page and that productive editing will resume but that's really less of an issue in the grand scheme of things. Nick (talk) 01:21, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Community discussion of Nick's blockThose edits Nick rev-deleted were in no way outing any editor here. It is ridiculous to even think so. If this is the basis for the block then it should be undone, and those edits put back into the history. Kevin (talk) 02:04, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
I have unblocked you. As you are aware now, AutomaticStrikeout does not want you to comment on his talk page and you must respect that. Continuing to make WP:POINTy remarks directed at another user will result in another block. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:52, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm. Is "G. Wickwire" the new site that shall not be named ("oversighted" by Drmies)? Good grief. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:23, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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More bullying by the ultra-nationalists
here. LittleBen (talk) 08:27, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- You should strike "Ultranationalists" here and elsewhere, and you should try to take it easy. I tried to calm things at ANI. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:04, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for supporting Reliable Sources and NPOV.
- Arbcom has concluded that the claim of outing was bogus. Obviously it was just to keep me blocked and prevent me from defending myself at ANI. Konjakupoet has outed himself with links to his own previous user identity in the ANI discussion.
- As you can see from the cautions on his talk page: since returning to Misplaced Pages, Konjakupoet has continued the same pattern of repeated vicious attacks on other users that he showed under his previous user IDs.
- It's pretty obvious that the attacks on my repeated advocating of following Misplaced Pages rules on properly researching and neutrally sourcing BLP names and place names here and here were the result of off-wiki canvassing and mob organizing that is acknowledged here.
- I have lots of other facts organized into a case, and would be glad to get your off-wiki input on how to proceed (but my sending of email from WP seems to be disabled at this end). LittleBen (talk) 23:04, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar |
| For never forgetting your kindness and humanity in AN discussions, and for understanding that bans should only be used as a last resort. Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 09:50, 21 April 2013 (UTC) |
- Thank you very much for your kindness.
- It is disturbing when ban discussions are conducted with such a shrill atmosphere. I'm sure that the editor and his opponents could all have improved their conduct, and I'd like to think that they will be more charitable in the future. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:17, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'd echo that. WP is very very lucky to still have a few kind people ("awesome" might be a better word) who believe in the Golden Rule. Without them, things would quickly crumble into anarchy, lynchings, and wars between people's private armies. Even now there are people who contribute nothing to articles, and hang out at ANI lynchings to add their insults, jeers, and support votes. LittleBen (talk) 13:10, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks again. :) There are also some good people who show up at noticeboards, but ANI does act like Loki's blue power-staff in The Avengers. It has been said that anybody who tries to be consistent with hyphens shall surely go made. Perhaps everybody would be better off with good-humored toleration of inconsistencies with diacritics, as long as the spirit of WP:RS is respected. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 16:34, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'd echo that. WP is very very lucky to still have a few kind people ("awesome" might be a better word) who believe in the Golden Rule. Without them, things would quickly crumble into anarchy, lynchings, and wars between people's private armies. Even now there are people who contribute nothing to articles, and hang out at ANI lynchings to add their insults, jeers, and support votes. LittleBen (talk) 13:10, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
An award for you
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| You are presented with this prestigious award in recognition of your unusual ability to run contrasting Jekyll and Hyde identities within the confines of a single account. Bishonen | talk 18:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC). |
- Aw shucks, Bishonen. :D
- *Blushes*
- Do I contradict myself?
- Very well, then I contradict myself,
- I am large, I contain multitudes.
Sing for Me (Christina Aguilera song)
That article has been in the queue for for GAN for over 2 and a half months, now thanks to you it has to join the bottom again. The article has not been reviewed and it has not been failed, so why you listed it as such is completely and utterly beyond me. How dare you. — AARON • 19:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- I failed its GAN because it was unfit for DYK, months ago. Had you forgotten that the DYK project uphold my veto?
- One of your buddies removed the failure, out of process.
- Perhaps it has been improved since then? If so, great. Renominate it, then! Good luck! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:42, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- I did never needed to renominate because it was never failed! So why you have removed it twice is beyond me. — AARON • 20:00, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- Kiefer, you didn't review the article for GAN, you reviewed it for DYK. If you'd like to take the time to review the article at GAN, please, feel free, but if not, you cannot fail it. That's hilarious. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 20:55, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- I reviewed it at GAN, and I failed it. An article that gets failed at DYK because of English failings cannot satisfy the GA criterion of being written goodest. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- Kiefer, you didn't review the article for GAN, you reviewed it for DYK. If you'd like to take the time to review the article at GAN, please, feel free, but if not, you cannot fail it. That's hilarious. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 20:55, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- I did never needed to renominate because it was never failed! So why you have removed it twice is beyond me. — AARON • 20:00, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi
Hi there Kiefer.
I think this has been placed on a couple of Talk pages, but not quite in the same form as here. Above User LittleBenW says to you "It's pretty obvious that the attacks ... were the result of off-wiki canvassing and mob organizing that is acknowledged here. " That here links to a reply on my Talk page to an enquiry to Alan Liefting on his Talk page about LittleBenW linking his diacritics templates into WP:RS (which is my view is a fairly important page). I have left a message twice on User LittleBenW's Talk page that I have never sent a single off-wiki message (which a sysop can confirm), much less to canvass, and I don't think asking an editor on a Talk page about a controversial link insertion into WP:RS counts as "off-wiki" nor "canvassing and mob organizing" nor "that is acknowledged." I have asked him to follow his own edits and strike through (because I added Misplaced Pages:Don't feed the trolls as my contribution to his diacritics RfC, which is true, I did). Anyway,
That's not the reason for saying hi. The reason is the next line: "I have lots of other facts organized into a case, and would be glad to get your off-wiki input on how to proceed" - I see you haven't accepted this invitation, but I wonder if he contacts you again then perhaps you might counsel him against it, not least since off-wiki is still covered by his TBAN.
To round it off User:NE Ent has started what is effectively a deletion discussion on LittleBenW's diacritics templates at Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_April_21#Template:Google_RS. All the best. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:23, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, this stuff does not inspire enthusiasm towards WP. :)
- I rarely check the K.W account because of real-life pressures, and when I do I am usually apologizing to various saints for my having been late to reply to their messages. I often disable the email to prevent disappointments, but forgot to lately.
- If somebody who is upset writes me, I try to write something that will help them out. I don't want an editor to feel isolated or ignored. It can take years to understand procedures around conflicts, and most of us wish that we had not gained that knowledge the hard way. Perhaps this editor is also learning the hard way, partially by making GF mistakes....
- How much of the editor's problems are due to misuse/misunderstanding on his part, or human failings on others' parts, or luck, I cannot say. I do support diacritics when they are used in the best RSes.
- Thanks for writing. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:01, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- That's okay, feel the same, and know you didn't invite the above. Just dropping you a note in case the "lots of other facts" etc does get dropped on you. All the best. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- No problem.
- Those were nice templates, and I don't like his good works being dismissed as sapping diacritics via citing The New York Times and The Economist---which are usually regarded as good journalism.
- Let's hope that others try to recognize the good work and try to offer goodwill to him, so that he will realize his potential here. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 16:13, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- I like The New York Times and The Economist, too. But we have to take into account how the templates have been used: these sources generally avoid diacritics, and LBW raises them above other sources that, 99% of the time, are more valid for articles on specific subjects than general magazines and newspapers. I have had this in the back of my mind the whole time we have been discussing these issues. And it's not even the most ridiculous case on that same page. Konjakupoet (talk) 18:02, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- The New York Times and The Washington Post are the highest quality U.S. newspapers, and The Economist may well be the world's leading weekly. You should add similarly top quality journals to improve the template.
- Deleting the useful templates because somebody used them to argue against diacritics or non-English characters is nuts. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:19, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- If I added Monumenta Nipponica or Keene's History of Japanese Literature to a list of otherwise general magazines and newspapers (and government websites) it would bring major WP:WEIGHT issues into play. Plus, WP:V specifically states that not all our sources need to be available online or searchable on Google, and WP:RS we have the obvious statement that, when it comes to how to write the names of 9th-century Japanese poets, or the Shinto shrines devoted to them, The New York Times and The Economist are actually near the bottom of the scale in terms reliability in a particular context. No one is using these templates but LBW, and he is obviously abusing them. Konjakupoet (talk) 18:28, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- Once people know about them, they can use them. I will the next expansion or creation I undertake.
- If he is abusing the good tools he created, then a friendly editor should caution him (and at some point an administrator could do the same if any problem persists) to end any abuse. There is no need to napalm /slash carpet-bomb good templates. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:40, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- But then you will be not violating the rules of Misplaced Pages, but violating the templates' intended use. We know that LBW created them, and we know what he uses them for. He doesn't use them for creating or expanding articles: he uses them in AfDs, RMs and style debates, generally involving arbitrary style issues like diacritics. Therefore, we can only assume that their intended purpose is not creating or expanding articles, but rather setting up a flawed argument for use in style debates. Konjakupoet (talk) 18:44, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- Dude, that signifier slud off the signified long ago. Examples:
- If some Russian chemist dreams of a snake abusing itself or of human centipede (don't google, and then follow a link to only South Park) and wakes up and says, "Aha, the periodic table", then great! Chemistry advances to the point where people start thinking of quantum mechanics.
- I use infoboxes likely created by a guy who has a long COI declaration, and I don't worry that his good works may have been created to advance private interests (or not)---I accept and am thankful for his good works.
- Let's deal with behavior and consequences, and leave AGF-violations in our suspicious minds, quashed by conscience /slash superego /slash tit-for-tat adaption. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- But why do you need a template? Why not just copy "site:<url> site:<url> site:<url>..." into Notepad, and then copy-paste it whenever you need it? The infoboxes improve the actual articles and without them the articles would not look the same to the reader. Anyway, my arguing this with you on your talk page rather than on the actual TfD is veering dangerously close to hypocrisy/adopting LBW's techniques. I didn't mean for it to be such. We should stop this now, anyway. Konjakupoet (talk) 19:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- Dude, that signifier slud off the signified long ago. Examples:
- But then you will be not violating the rules of Misplaced Pages, but violating the templates' intended use. We know that LBW created them, and we know what he uses them for. He doesn't use them for creating or expanding articles: he uses them in AfDs, RMs and style debates, generally involving arbitrary style issues like diacritics. Therefore, we can only assume that their intended purpose is not creating or expanding articles, but rather setting up a flawed argument for use in style debates. Konjakupoet (talk) 18:44, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- If I added Monumenta Nipponica or Keene's History of Japanese Literature to a list of otherwise general magazines and newspapers (and government websites) it would bring major WP:WEIGHT issues into play. Plus, WP:V specifically states that not all our sources need to be available online or searchable on Google, and WP:RS we have the obvious statement that, when it comes to how to write the names of 9th-century Japanese poets, or the Shinto shrines devoted to them, The New York Times and The Economist are actually near the bottom of the scale in terms reliability in a particular context. No one is using these templates but LBW, and he is obviously abusing them. Konjakupoet (talk) 18:28, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- I like The New York Times and The Economist, too. But we have to take into account how the templates have been used: these sources generally avoid diacritics, and LBW raises them above other sources that, 99% of the time, are more valid for articles on specific subjects than general magazines and newspapers. I have had this in the back of my mind the whole time we have been discussing these issues. And it's not even the most ridiculous case on that same page. Konjakupoet (talk) 18:02, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- That's okay, feel the same, and know you didn't invite the above. Just dropping you a note in case the "lots of other facts" etc does get dropped on you. All the best. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2013 (UTC)