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You posted an invalid warning on my talk page which said "Stop harassing other editors: they are permitted to manage their talkpage, within reason, as they see fit. You've made your point, now stop." Actually, you are wrong and therefore should educate yourself on refactoring policy. While an editor is indeed permitted to remove entire comments of other editors from their own talk page, it is a violation to remove only a portion of another editor's comments, resulting in them being presented out-of-context. Per WP:TPO, "Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning, even on your own talk page." Removing a portion of another editor's comments "constitutes a change in meaning, and should only be done by the user who wrote it or someone acting at their explicit request". Purposely misrepresenting what another editor has posted by removing only a portion of their comments is a major refactoring violation. I suggest you stay out of this matter. And it appears that the other editor has finally accepted the policy and has stopped violating the policy. But if it continues, appropriate warnings will continue to be issued and a report at AN/I may be necessary. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 22:50, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Good luck with that.--MONGO 22:56, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

"Butt out" isn't an appropriate response. That's why I said "within reason." You appear to be using this as a pretext for escalation and have moved into harassment. I recommend that you stop and consider that you're making things worse by antagonizing editors with whom you should be discussing. Musdan could have handled it better, so could you. Acroterion (talk) 22:58, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

The editor repeatedly violated refactoring policy, pure and simple. He was properly warned and referred to the applicable policy, yet chose to ignore it. I would have had no problem at all with him removing my comments in their entirety, as that is certainly his right. But to simply remove select portions of someone else's comments is highly inappropriate. And if you knew that, then your "within reason" comment was disingenuous because the editor's refactoring was a clear violation of the policy. For the record, I did not say "butt out", so putting it in quotes as if I did is a mischaracterization. I said, "I suggest you stay out of this matter." --76.189.111.2 (talk) 23:08, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

We're not going to have a meta-argument over the argument you were having with Musdan over how to argue about content. We have an encyclopedia to build, and now that you've both made your points you can get back to making it better. You've heard of de-escalation, I'm sure: please practice it. Acroterion (talk) 00:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

This is not about content. This about a policy violation issue in which you inexplicably felt the need to inject yourself. You brought this upon yourself. Now we'll see if you want to continue this. I suggest you educate yourself on the terms deescalation and condescension. You've heard of a dictionary: please use it. 76.189.111.2 (talk) 00:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

I felt the need to stop two editors from an escalating level of shrillness that served no purpose and upset both; that's what I'm supposed to do. It worked. We're not going to do that here. Now that we're done, I'm going to spend an hour putting up drywall. Have a nice evening. Acroterion (talk) 00:23, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) And how's that working out for you right now? And while you obviously feel this need to pat yourself on the back, let's be clear that nothing you did "worked". The editor finally learned his lesson and adhered to the refactoring policy instead of continuously violating it. You preach deescalation, yet have done nothing but escalate this matter, including your sarcasm ("You've heard of de-escalation, I'm sure"). You actually made things worse. And if you can't see that, then perhaps you should not be an administrator. 76.189.111.2 (talk) 00:31, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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HEY, need some help!

User Wereith has deleted thousands of images per a misinterpretation of WIKI policy. They have edited my user boxes and EVERYBODY ELSES because I used a wiki approved seal of a WV county??? When I checked their contributions, all they have done is remove thousands of images, today. WTF is going on here?Coal town guy (talk) 21:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I assume you mean File:Seal of Raleigh County, West Virginia.png, which is in fact tagged as fair-use, so it can't be used in userspace. Acroterion (talk) 21:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, thats fine, but this person has deleted thousands of images, using AWB........are we to assume they nailed it every time? I am cool if they did that. BUT, raw math tells me, I dont think so...Coal town guy (talk) 21:17, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Note that they didn't delete anything, they just removed the links. In general it's nicer to ask folks to remove them themselves rather than just swoop in and nuke it. Acroterion (talk) 21:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

THAT is precisely my contention. I am waaay cool with fair use. Matter of fact, some of the images for some WV articles are MY images I granted fair use to so that they could be used on Misplaced Pages, which is swell. My ONLY pet peeve is, I am waaay OK with a policy, I am NOT ok with a person doing a set of actions and their "description" is a policy link. Thats an edict, and THAT PISSES ME OFF. You and ALMOST every admin on Wikpedia have done an incredible job and I mean that, at saying, oh by the way, here is why. Thats cool. That is a welcoming transmission of knowledge. The edict stuff, thats bullcrap in the most major form.Coal town guy (talk) 21:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually policy is fairly clear and is nonnegotiable, would you have preferred that I also quote the policy that I linked to? Restrictions on location. Non-free content is allowed only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in article namespace, Every single file that I have been removing has been non-free, feel free to review my edits to confirm that, but I can assure you that my actions where just to bring pages into compliance with policy, please also see WP:OWN, you do not own any page on wikipedia. Werieth (talk) 22:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Policy is clear and non-negotiable, but it's usually kinder to educate other editors and to leave a note do explain what you did and why. Acroterion (talk) 00:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah I see, I shall reply on your talk page...Coal town guy (talk) 22:06, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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Beast Coast Movement article

The Beast Coast Movement is a viable and legitimate hip-hop movement currently gaining steam. I understand the deletion of the article due to lack of substance, but the problem stems from my lack of experience and knowledge in creating a Wiki page. Any help around this movement would be greatly appreciated because I firmly believe this requires a page on Misplaced Pages.

scrape.it

I understand. Then tell me what you think of other articles promoting software is. If that's not promotion then I'm curious to know how you are able to clear identify my case vs the array of other wikipedia articles linking directly to a for-profit website where as mine goes to github. Please help me understand because overall experience on wikipedia has been highly unpleasant, no communication or counter arguments are allowed, solely based on the discretion of individuals without any credentials or knowledge in the area. I highly think this is undemocratic process and there's nothing stopping me from believing that the article was deleted because wikipedia moderators with commercial interests in the existing for profit, non opensource solutions.

It's very simple. Don't use Misplaced Pages for promotion, no matter how benevolent the cause. No technical judgment is implied or made. Accusing those who enforce non-promotional policy of bad faith is unlikely to help your cause. Acroterion (talk) 16:08, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Did I say you were motivated by a possible commercial interest? No I did not, I just said that there's simply no way of knowing that you are not working for any of the other companies and simply trying to squelch new upcoming projects. How is the scrape.it article different from any other wikipedia in that category linking directly to their sales page? How do you feel about commercial software openly promoted on wikipedia and successfully able to evade it? What excuse will you come up next?

If you keep making personal attacks and accusations of bad faith, you can expect to be ignored. Acroterion (talk) 16:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Tell me this is not promotion?

Tell me what makes this article a non promotion? http://en.wikipedia.org/Scrapy

What's different about it, it links directly to the original company?

So when somebody that's not me writes an article and links to the website it's okay?

Help me understand, I'm just trying to follow your logic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Depta99 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it promotional, but it's got no evidence of notability and no sourcing. Some Google searching indicates that it has some coverage, but overall, it's nothing I'd cite as an example of a good article. Note that the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument carries no weight: we are concerned with your article and your intentions with respect to Misplaced Pages. You might also wish to review the notability guidelines: has your project received press coverage, which could be used to provide the sourcing and evidence of notability that all Misplaced Pages article must have?Acroterion (talk) 16:17, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes it does as a matter of fact and maybe if the article was still up there I could link other sites talking about Scrape.it

request

merhaba, please remove urdu wiki links from european islam by country articles, these are wrong. Thanks in advance i tried but..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by عرفان ارشد (talk • contribs) 08:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I think you mean the Wikidata links - what is the correct link? It might be better to talk to an editor who reads Urdu for this. Acroterion (talk) 13:36, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

User talk:206.45.41.185

Hi Acroterion, please revoke talk page access, tq. Arctic Kangaroo 14:02, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

And, ironically, they're edit-warring at every opportunity over something that apparently happened a month ago. Talkpage access removed. Acroterion (talk) 14:03, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Rangeblock needed. Arctic Kangaroo 14:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Eric Loomis

Hi, could you delete that? 98book (talk · contribs) re-created the page. Thanks, —Mikemoral♪♫ 01:56, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Deleted and blocked for 48 hours to make the point a bit more clear. Acroterion (talk) 01:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for handling that. —Mikemoral♪♫ 02:04, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Whitley (artist) deletion

Hi, just came across the Whitley song "More than Life" on Pandora and was looking for a discography. Surprised to see there was a page that is now deleted, I've never heard an artist that didn't have a wikipedia page. Any thoughts on un-deleting it? Can't see what was there so I have no idea on completeness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Whitley_%28singer%29&action=edit&redlink=1

BR Nathan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wren337 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

This is all there was: "Whitley is an Australian singer. He has made 2 albums: The Submarine and Go Forth Find Mammoth." Obviously, there's no bar to re-creation, so have at it if you want. Acroterion (talk) 20:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Spotted Horse Wyoming

Local lore states it was named after a Native American Leader. I am disposed to say yes. BUT, thanks for the pic. I am dam proud to have started this article. By the way, if you ever bicycle to there from Gillete, be prepared to piss syrup for about a week. EGAD, the heat is killerCoal town guy (talk) 23:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't too hot when we were there in 2007, but it was a handy place to stop and stretch our legs - nothing much for 50 miles in either direction! They were gearing up for the overflow from Sturgis, a mere 150 miles away - you can just see the "Welcome Bikers" banner. Acroterion (talk) 01:41, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry to be abrupt, but I was confused when my article about my cousin was taken down, please could you explain to me why? and I am in no way in disrespect or disrepute over this, but more confused to such, Guido Espinoza — Preceding unsigned comment added by GuidoDuke (talk • contribs) 22:00, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Please review The guidelines for notability. Small parts, even in West End productions, would not qualify. Biographies must be sourced, particularly where minors are concerned, and sources must support the assertion of notability. Misplaced Pages isn't a place to publicize individuals who are not already notable. Acroterion (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok, Thanks for letting me know i will wait a bit longer till he is knowledgeable to others :) Guido Espinoza — Preceding unsigned comment added by GuidoDuke (talk • contribs) 22:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Your input is requested

Greetings, Acroterion! If we have not met, I'm AutomaticStrikeout. I've come here to ask you to take part in the survey at User:AutomaticStrikeout/Are admins interested in a RfB?. I am trying to gauge the general level of interest that administrators have in running for cratship, as well as pinpoint the factors that affect that interest level. Your input will be appreciated. Happy editing, AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 01:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

One of the best choices I can think of for crat is Acroterion...but I dare say that I wouldn't want him to seek more flags as it would leave him less time to article writing.--MONGO 01:35, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but I have no interest at all in being a 'crat. Others who enjoy that sort of thing are welcome to it. Acroterion (talk) 02:05, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

WV County templates, HELP

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The Banner (talk · contribs) appears to have made a test edit without actually checking to see if the edit was beneficial. I think you fixed it. Acroterion (talk) 03:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I just checked the other counties, its OK for nowCoal town guy (talk) 03:21, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Utah, CA nrhps etc

I've been coming across and admiring your past work developing NRHP material in Utah and California counties. You've really made info about a lot of the western U.S. remote NRHP places accessible to the world, by those contributions. :) I'm adding some more to List of RHPs in Inyo and others, by the way.

Please see discussion Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington County, Utah#merge/reconfigure with separate Zion NRHP list?. I think that moving the Zion NRHP list back into the Washington County Utah list could make sense, tho keeping it as a separate section. --doncram 16:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I've responded at the discussion page; seems like a redirect to Washington County with some expanded description could be feasible. Acroterion (talk) 01:03, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

User talk:206.45.84.7

FYI, the IP has twice now (, ) removed the Shared IP notice, contrary to WP:BLANKING and WP:DRC. I did reference those in my initial addition of that notice (), and WP:BLANKING again in my restoral (). Perhaps a short range-block is in order, if the removal of the Shared IP notice continues? Cheers, JoeSperrazza (talk) 01:53, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I saw that: in general I prefer not to argue about that sort of thing unless it's useful that the host be identified, and I don't consider it a block-worthy offense. Contrary to policy, yes, but not in and of itself worth blocking. Note that reversion of such a notice is not exempted under 3RR. Acroterion (talk) 02:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I have no problem with a notice if it were to happen that this is a shared IP.. but it's not, until I choose to discard of it. What's suspicious is your contribution history, you are only going after me for some reason, out of all the IPs in the world. And I never even heard of you. How can I do wrong to someone I never encountered, I have no clue. What's your motive joe. 206.45.84.7 (talk) 02:16, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Notice joe is going after me or IPs I have used for spam notices, but not doing it to the other IPs he comes across, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:77.68.143.62&oldid=548683022. I suppose he's bored and decides to pick a random target to troll, by agitating with unnecessary templates. 206.45.84.7 (talk) 02:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I've granted you some grace in this case, so I'd strongly advise you to drop it. Acroterion (talk) 02:44, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Serial killer infobox

Why do you want to preserve redirects from "Infobox serial killer" to "Infobox murderer"? Indirect jumps cost time and memory overhead, putting an unnecessary burden on Misplaced Pages's servers. Moreover, the casual reader doesn't see the names of templates; they don't impart any useful information. If the subject of the article is a serial killer, it should be so stated in plain text in the article.71.92.247.84 (talk) 01:13, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Then say so in the edit summary. How are other editors supposed to know that it was a redirect? I didn't, but I'm reverting my changes now that I understand what you were doing. Acroterion (talk) 01:18, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: "Please explain the apparently coordinated edits with Illini1234"

Hello, The owner of the bus company Suburban Express primarily serves UIUC Students, who call themselves Illini. He recently has been sueing or threatening to sue a number of posters on Reddit.

I created a new Misplaced Pages account because I didn't wish to be sued (even though my edits are factual and referenced).

I believe that Illini1234 is another student who had the same feelings. He may have seen my username when creating his. We are not the same person (And I'm willing to personally verify my identity in non-public ways). I did see his edit and move my reference, but it was not "coordinated" in any particular way.

For what it's worth, I believe that the controversy section should be there. Would you help me correctly word it such that the given references support it? Or could you explain how I would better reference it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IlliniStudent (talk • contribs) 14:56, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. You should work out your proposed edits on the article talkpage, and must stick to published reliable sources as defined by WP:V and WP:RS. Opinion columns and personal analysis of court records are not reliable sources. So far, the only reliable source that has been presented is the Daily Illini article (not the opinion column). It would be best if there were multiple independent sources, since a single article in the university newspaper falls short of supporting the notability of the incidents and issues. Please remember that Misplaced Pages is not a social media platform, and that regardless of what's happening on Reddit or Twitter, you can't present your own analysis of events or court records. A defamatory statement about a driver has already been removed from the article talkpage - see WP:BLP. Please remember that WIkipedia isn't a platform for shaming individuals or companies, nor is it appropriate as a host for ephemera. I'd suggest waiting to see if the issue is significant in six months' time, or if it is covered in major newspapers - see WP:NOTNEWS. See the comments of other contributors at Talk:Suburban Express. Acroterion (talk) 15:10, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Something is not right

I do not like the behavior of a user and they appear to be letting many other editors know their dislike.....with, a gusto. User Greg Bard???? Just seems, waaaay above the norm. Many thanksCoal town guy (talk) 17:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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delete iq offices page

what was wrong with it? It is a place that exists and should be on wikipedia. Can you please explain the take down.

Best,

David — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidgeneratecreative (talk • contribs) 22:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Please don't delete the article titled "Kristina Dickerson"

The article is about my girlfriend who is really having the worst of times and this will cheer her up. No one will use this name and if you want after two days I can delete it but please leave it up for one day. That is all I'm asking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheInsaneDoctor (talk • contribs) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

You might consider flowers and a nice dinner as an alternate approach. Please don't put it back in article space: it's safe in your userspace for now. Acroterion (talk) 01:58, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Ameristraila

This sir, is not a Hoax. Reddit has created a sort of... alliance, and in the last two days it has gained already 10,000 members and growing quickly. While it might just be in good fun, it is actually pretty inspiring. Please see here reddit.com/r/ameristralia.

Thank you for your time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.206.222 (talk) 03:06, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Unless it gets significant notice in major third-party publications, it's not suitable for inclusion on Misplaced Pages. Acroterion (talk) 03:09, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you hate freedom? 58.179.52.215 (talk) 06:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Deleting a non-notable joke page is not tantamount to hating freedom.--Mr Fink (talk) 13:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Ameristralia page

Please provide a clear, well-defined reason for deleting the Misplaced Pages page related to Ameristralia. We are a laid back bunch, and only wish to be (if only unofficially) recognized. Take care! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.69.243.232 (talk) 06:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages documents pre-existing notability: it does not create it. See the general notability guidelines. Any topic that receives significant notice in multiple third-party publications with a reputation for fact-checking may be included. You should also review WP:MADEUP, which applies here on a larger scale. Acroterion (talk) 11:36, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Would you consider redirecting Ameristralia to http://en.wikipedia.org/Australia%E2%80%93United_States_relations? 98.110.172.156 (talk) 14:49, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

No: a Reddit meme has no bearing on US-AU relations. Acroterion (talk) 14:51, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Especially since there is no evidence that "Ameristralia" has had even the least effect on US-AU relations.--Mr Fink (talk) 15:46, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Category warring....No, I am not kidding

At the agreement of another editor Catalyst 321, I come to you with a less than pleasant situation and BEG for your help. We have a singular user Greg Bard who has a vendetta, or a bug that died up his ass, your choice. EVERYONE else has pretty much tried to say, hey local law is a function of local government, county. BUT OH HELL NO. This has devolved and become a real fecal tsunami with many editors and one man, trying his best, to not listen and be damned rude about it. IF you are able, PLEASE take a look.

As fate would have it: war of edits on County Gov in USA. Do you think it needs a lock? The back and forth on the one man remove the local gov crusade is getting mighty thinCoal town guy (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree that this county government edit war is getting ridiculous, but since I've already commented on part of the dispute, I'd probably be considered involved. I do think someone neutral needs to settle this though. TheCatalyst31 19:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Are you OK if I consult with Acroterion(sp?). I think his level thinking would help this along. I will of coutrse mention your name as well because, it is starting to get a tad over te top and halfway up the other side.Coal town guy (talk) 21:56, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Category warring: it's what all the cool kids are doing these days (re:American women novelists). I'm getting ready to head out and will be away for a little while: I'll look at it more closely once I have a little time. Looks like a consensus is developing.

There is one, BUT NOT for the singular person in question, hence my message to you. MANY thanks if you take another look!Coal town guy (talk) 23:06, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Gregbard seems to feel that the category is an appropriate place for a discussion of the devolution of rights from state to local government. While the position appears to be technically correct in the strictly legal sense (states have all rights not specifically reserved for the federal government and can allocate them as they see fit), I fail to see why such a dissertation is appropriate by implication in a category, or that a category description is the place to present a summary of state and local legal relationships, sourced or not. Categories are a form of housekeeping for the encyclopedia, not a means of presenting a hierarchy of legal authority. Has Gregbard done anything since the 19th in this area? Acroterion (talk) 00:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

<redacted>

If you want help, you need to dial it back a little: it's over the top to get that upset over a category. Don't repeat your last outburst: seriously. Acroterion (talk) 01:09, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, he has. There are several editors being canvassed. I estimate, myself, Orlady, Nyyttend etc etc etc . I am unable to be non emotive here and need to steo back. I apologize to you in utter sincerity. BUT the edit warring is real and Gregbard is qupting the case law incorrectly. He also does not try to get a consensus. It is as you gathered, annoying. I would, very much appreciate, any look you could give. Many thanksCoal town guy (talk) 01:12, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm looking at it as inappropriate use of original research, edit-warring against consensus, and inappropriate expansion of categories so that they resemble articles more than the basic framework expected of categories. Acroterion (talk) 01:15, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I would concur. For reasons I would rather not explain, I became rather emotive, I have editied my comments on the main discussion page for this as well as well as apologized to all involved. I would however request, that you please consider that editors who I respect greatly are getting it in the teeth for no good reason here.Many thanksCoal town guy (talk) 01:18, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

That's fine, best to disengage. That said, has something happened since the 19th to cause concern? Acroterion (talk) 01:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, he told Orlady to "BACK OFF" and has initiated a raher unethical downtalking about them. ON many user pages, AFTYER the 19th. Repeatedly. I, as you guessed, did not like that. Also, on a non related note, I found out that I am one of 12 people left alive from my town, not Whitby, sorry. Number 13 was a friend. I thought the editing would help, it did not. I will take a break and be back Monday. However distraught I am, I am sincere in my assesment of the activity since 4/19. Coal town guy (talk) 01:29, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I've not found that distractions help much in that kind of situation. I'll see what's going on at Orlady's talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 01:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Dont forget to look hereCoal town guy (talk) 01:46, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I did. The reading's rather grim, but I don't see any traction for Gregbard's idiosyncratic view that local government is really state government (the short answer would be: it depends, and varies from state to state and county to county). I specifically don't see any actual, you know, sources, just assertions of superior knowledge. And as I've previously said, when did categories become appropriate places for such arguments? In any case, I've had a long week and will look in tomorrow. Acroterion (talk) 01:52, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

• Gregbard complained about Orlady at ANI and is now having his own behavior examined. I've commented, and will probably have more to say. As always, caution and temperance is advised at ANI: as Gregbard has illustrated, when you complain about someone at ANI, your hands must in turn be squeaky-clean. Acroterion (talk) 11:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

My previous replies on this topic were correct for content and spirit, but as I freely admit, I am rather emotive. Had I remained NON emotive I could have possibly commented, BUT I did not and thus, I full understand why I should keep it toned down. That being said, it is nice to know that while emotive, I did indeed note what other editors, far more capable than myself, also saw. I very much appreciate your professionalism here, and regret, I was not able to do so. Many thanksCoal town guy (talk) 12:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

InnoMen Productions

Hi, I just want to know what else I'm missing to make the article accepted. I referenced from http://en.wikipedia.org/Dischan_Media . Do I need to do anything else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helrouis (talk • contribs) 12:48, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Replied on user's talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 12:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Ameristralia redux

Hello, Acroterion

I noticed that you marked the page Ameristalia for deletion under "G3. Pure vandalism, and blatant hoaxes." I was wondering if you could revive the page and allow myself and others to edit it including information explaining that it is actually a joke, listing it under fictional countries, or something similar. I only contact you because I am unfamiliar with normal un-deletion policy, and feel that if I go through the normal route to request it be un-deleted it will be dismissed and there will be nothing I can do. I would very much appreciate it if you could respond on my talk page.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giavoto (talk • contribs) 22:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 01:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Final Beginnings

There is no such person as "Gorhedz Brunken", and there is no information about the movie. Alex2564 (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

You're certain that there's no Slovenian filmmaker by that name? Why did you tag it as an attack page? Acroterion (talk) 21:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Suburban Express

Hello Acroterion. After noticing at least one IP removing sourced content at Suburban Express with no discussion on Talk, I went ahead and semiprotected the article for two weeks. I became aware of the issue through WP:COIN#Suburban Express. If you believe this is excessive, feel free to modify. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 23:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Ameristrailia

Thank you for responding to my previous message.

I realize now that I, foolishly, went along with the crowd without thinking about the fact that this hadn't received any external coverage. I'm green and I haven't learned even a fraction of the information I need to judge critically here on Misplaced Pages. Maybe it will gain coverage in the future, but for now "Ameristrailia" will be rightfully laid to rest.

Again, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giavoto (talk • contribs) 05:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem, no apology needed. We get a lot of memes, people promoting their YouTube channels, garage bands, gaming clans or non-notable companies, and the answer is essentially the same: show us three national newspaper articles that cover the topic in moderate detail. No harm at all in asking. Acroterion (talk) 11:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Psychotronic weapons

I really would appreciate it if you would read over the Psychotronic weapons page. The sources are anything but fringe, and the Russians themselves have described the program, and its purpose numerous times. These statements have come from Defense Minister's and Putin himself, as well as US military analysts over the last 2 decades. Not acknowledging this on Stalking, and then pointing to Psychotronics (which appears, whether or not the entirety of the page is, to show psychotronics is a "paranormal" invention of a scientist from the 60s) certainly doesn't provide an accurate picture of the situation.

If you look at the talk page for Psychotronics it's clear that when I got there, the editors themselves admitted they didn't really know what the term was relating to. I took that as a sign that I could help, and provided a number of military sources to define it--it's difficult being in a position where you are "new" and have knowledge about a specific subject, and a group of people who admit they aren't familiar with the subject continually deride you for answering their question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Damonthesis (talk • contribs) 16:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look when I get a chance: I'd gotten rather tired of batting the same ball around, so I'll wait until I'm feeling a little more patient. Thanks for the apology on the protection, though I really don't expect new editors to be able to accurately parse article histories and protections, so I wasn't especially put out by your belief that I had protected the article. In the meantime, some advice (which Guy Macon has stated concisely at the bottom of the ANI thread): ANI and AN3 are concerned with editor behavior, not with content, and your attitude toward other editors and toward criticism are what's at issue in those places. Content is discussed on the article talkpages or a dispute resolution. Misplaced Pages is based on consensus, and so far the consensus of editors on the articles you've touched has been united against your proposals (Note that I say "your proposals", not "you."). Don't argue content at ANI or AN3: nobody will pay attention to that. The best thing to do is to lay back, digest what you've heard, and think about consensus-building rather than confrontation. Acroterion (talk) 17:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Abandoned French railway

Knowing of your interest in things Parisian, I thought I would direct your attention to the Chemin de fer de Petite Ceinture. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 14:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I've laid eyes on it and ridden on the part that's used by the RER. It's a nice little relic. An offshoot from the Petit ceinture ended at a freight yard whose air rights were occupied by Les Olympiades, which was where we had classes the year I was in Paris, before it moved to La Villette and became the École nationale supérieure d'architecture de Paris-La Villette. Acroterion (talk) 00:42, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Devil's Cigarette Lighter

On 2 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Devil's Cigarette Lighter, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that John Glenn saw the Devil's Cigarette Lighter from orbit? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Devil's Cigarette Lighter. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Chandler Sant (username: MEDLMobile) Author of Hang w/

Hi Acroterion,

I just created a Wiki page for 'Hang w/' an app that my company has created and I noticed that it has recently been removed by you. As this is my first attempt at creating a Wiki page, I was wondering what it was that I did wrong for future reference. I understand that it was taken off due to 'unambiguous advertising' and that was one of the very things I was trying to avoid; my goal was to act as a third party to simply inform readers about what 'Hang w/,' providing a basic description of what 'Hang w/' is, its functionality, describe its UI, and give credit to those who created it, MEDL Mobile. Hang w/ has recently surpassed over 100,000 users and has reached the top 30 on the iTunes charts. Hang w/ is also endorsed by several celebrities including KASKADE, Coco Crisp, Jamie Kennedy, and Ali Landry. If you could, would you mind reinstating my 'Hang w/ page so that I can make any adjustments that you suggest to make it a better page on Misplaced Pages? Also, because I did spend some time on it, I dont want to loose the work I put into it. Again I am sorry and I would really appreciate the feedback and to have 'Hang w/' reinstated.

Thanks,

Chandler Sant

Please feel free to respond to my talk page. —Preceding undated comment added 19:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied on user's talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 20:29, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

My articles

Hello, do you know how I can find articles that I've created? I mean list of articles that created by me. --NovaSkola (talk) 00:00, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Go to your contributions, look at the bottom toolbar, and there should be a link for "Articles created". You may need to be patient if you've done a lot of them. Since you've made more than 100 articles you'll have to tell it not to truncate: looks like you've done 150 new articles . Acroterion (talk) 01:58, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I was searching google but couldn't find this toolbar. --NovaSkola (talk) 12:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Questions about TWA 800 edit

Hi,

I edited the TWA 800 page today and you reverted my change. The reason I saw was that it was a promotion. I added a media reference to a movie with something to say about the crash of TWA 800. I am not a part of that movie's staff or care one way or another about the success or failure of the movie. I watched the movie and, from it learned more about TWA 800. I went to Misplaced Pages to find out more. It didn't reference the film, and I thought that that was something lacking the Misplaced Pages article. I added it.

Since you don't believe it should be there, please explain. It is, indeed, media that makes a very specific reference to TWA 800.

Sincerely,

Bob D. San Francisco — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.88.144.155 (talk) 02:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

"Soapboxing" might have been a better summary. The conspiracy theories associated with TWA 800 are discussed neutrally elsewhere in the article. The "in media" section (which is something that is generally discouraged on Misplaced Pages these days and really ought to be removed in its entirety) is not a place for soapboxing on "control of the media" or to describe "military responsibility for the accident" as a fact. If the movie is notable and deserving of an article, it might be included with a neutral summary. You should discuss this on the talkpage with other editors first, and there ought to be an article on the movie first, assuming it passes the appropriate notability guidelines. Acroterion (talk) 02:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I've removed the "in media" section: such sections are discouraged in featured content reviews, and it was mostly unsourced. Any documentary that discusses the event would be more useful as a source (assuming it passes muster as a reliable source), and dramatizations are rarely notable enough for an article. As for the movie, it was just released: let's see if it gets any notice in the media. Acroterion (talk) 02:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. I do not see a difference between my entry and the others, but I see your point about the "in media" section. I need to better understand the goals of Misplaced Pages, and of the standard procedures for editing the content. I'm not so good at reading through procedures and prefer to just try it. It makes me trust Misplaced Pages a little more to hear that it is not a free-for-all, but a collaborative enterprise.

I am left with an unanswered question. "Shadows of Liberty" brought up TWA flight 800. After learning about the crash from the film (not a dramatization by the way), I went to Misplaced Pages as a resource. It provided information and associations that I found very useful for answering my questions. If someone arrived at the TWA 800 page shouldn't they be able to see the association with another viewpoint. I guess (now I'm answering my own question) that you want a group of editors to agree that "Shadows of Liberty" is an important thing, and that once that page has been established that it can, and should, be referenced on the TWA 800 page.

No response necessary unless you feel I'm still not getting it or something.

-Bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobdinsf (talk • contribs) 16:42, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Your summary is on the mark: consensus rules, and notability must be established and agreed upon for the movie to be discussed on Misplaced Pages in general. I think if it does appear on its own, it would be worth a mention there: not having seen the movie, I gather it's a sort of meta-criticism that uses TWA 800 as an example among others, so I doubt it'd be more than a peripheral topic with respect to TWA 800, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out. The errant missile theory was regarded as unsupported by the NTSB report, which would obviously be the most authoritative source: the movie is more concerned with the reportage than the facts of the event? There is room elsewhere in the article if a consensus develops.

As for the section, there was a purge of "in popular culture" sections a few years ago, as consensus developed that they were, generally speaking, a mess that grew and grew to overwhelm more encyclopedic content, becoming coatracks to support tangential discussions or unsourced discursions. Some "in media" sections still persist, but they're slowly disappearing. Acroterion (talk) 16:51, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

John Pincus Syndrome

Hello there my name I am a grandson of the late John pincus and I have been working on writing an article on my late grandfathers discovery. Unfortunately the article i posted last night was deleted and i havent quite finished working on it i also havent got it all saved so i would appreciate it very much if you could send me a copy of the whole article so i can save it.

Thank you in advance

Joseph Pincus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ymesh (talk • contribs) 11:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

About Catrack

Sir,

I create the official page for my company Catrack Entertainment Private Limited .. The Information used was taken from our official website http://www.catrack.com/ Please let me know why was the page deleted.

Regards, Hardik Trehan Executive Director Catrack Entertainment Private Limited — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardik392 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Blocked as an advertising-only account. Acroterion (talk) 15:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Acroterion,

A social media campaign by a blogger (negatedvoid - reddit moderator in www.reddit.com/r/UIUC) has overflowed to wikipedia. It appears that negatedvoid and friends are enjoying recent attention they've been getting, and they have repeatedly removed years-old informative content and replaced it with their self-promoting trash, which mostly relies on low quality journalism (student newspaper as opposed to, say, Chicago Tribune) and blog posts. I urge you to roll the page back to pre-social media campaign state http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Suburban_Express&oldid=542659074 and protect it.

Cheers, Thenightchicagodied. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenightchicagodied (talk • contribs) 03:37, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Daisy Diamond

Hi, I was thinking of creating an article about the film Daisy Diamond and now I see there have previously been some problems - relating to copyright? Would be grateful for more details of this. Picknick99 (talk) 08:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Suburban Express Concerted Vandalism

Hello Acroterion, A social media campaign by a blogger (negatedvoid - reddit moderator in www.reddit.com/r/UIUC) has overflowed to wikipedia. It appears that negatedvoid and friends are enjoying recent attention they've been getting, and they have repeatedly removed years-old informative content and replaced it with their self-promoting trash, which mostly relies on low quality journalism (student newspaper as opposed to, say, Chicago Tribune) and blog posts. I urge you to roll the page back to pre-social media campaign state http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Suburban_Express&oldid=542659074 and protect it.