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I don't know how to respond so I'll post this here. You can delete if when you've read it. The lead singer is in a band called Codec (Facebook search: Codec Band) and their bio states they broke up in 2010 I think it was. I messaged them a while back and they said via MySpace message that they'd broken up.
This time, I come in peace :D
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Deckers again
Hey man. Remember Ludwig von Decker (talk · contribs) being a sock of Larry Decker (talk · contribs), who in turn is a sock of Mason Decker (talk · contribs)? Yeah, looks like Mason Decker1 (talk · contribs) and Mason Lee Decker-Brant (talk · contribs) have arrived. Their behavior is pretty much identical to past socks of Mason, and well... 
Looks like a duck to me ZappaOMati 23:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- I can't say I understand what in the world this guys trying to do, or why he names himself something in regards to a "Decker" every time, but I blocked those two. Sergecross73 msg me 02:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
- Here we go again: Mason Decker2 (talk · contribs) just showed up yesterday. I don't know their intentions, but sometimes it's vandalism, sometimes it's constructive. ZappaOMati 20:24, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, I hope you don't think I was ignoring you. Yeah, I noticed it too, as I saw him on my watchlist at Mario Kart. I could technically block him now, but I was going to wait until he (seemingly inevitably) starts being disruptive first. Sergecross73 msg me 15:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- Here we go again: Mason Decker2 (talk · contribs) just showed up yesterday. I don't know their intentions, but sometimes it's vandalism, sometimes it's constructive. ZappaOMati 20:24, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Ban proposal on Niemti
FYI, Fladrif has proposed a ban on Niemti at at his RFC. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- Also, an interaction ban between me and Niemti has been raised by Ched and Fladrif. Do you have any comments or concerns about this? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- Please don't try to skirt around or ignore the fact that I am the one that raised the idea... :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 19:05, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry. I have not been ignoring the fact that you raised the idea too. I guess I forgot to include you too. My mistake. I was only asking Sergecross73 to take a look at the interaction ban and see if there are any comments. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- It appears things are going exactly how I've been saying it would go, which is why I wanted to take a passive role on things.
- Niemti hasn't had a grave enough offense to convince people outside of WP:VG that these sanctions are necessary.
- Sjones, you've pursued this too aggressively, and as such, the focus has shifted from Niemti's issues, to you.
- I have no comment on an interaction ban. I do think that you should personally should want to stay clear from him, so it doesn't get you into trouble though. Sergecross73 msg me 19:31, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- I obviously admit that I was too aggressive in pursuing a ban on my part, and I know better than to do that, so I apologize for what I have done. I hope I did not violate any policies in doing so, because being disruptive would lead me to be blocked. I do agree that I should stay clear from Niemti so it doesn't get me into any trouble. Thanks, Serge. By the way, I wanted to ask you about how long should we wait until it's time to close the AN discussion? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- Its alright, I just don't want you to get in over your head where I can't defend you, because you are a great contributor. Anyways, we should probably keep the AN thread going for quite a while, since bans are a big deal. I'd recommend taking a seat and watching the rest play out. Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- Indeed, it's time to take a break from AN and get back to work on other articles too. I obviously know better than to stalk any editor or as they say "gravedance" on any occasion, and it's only stalking if an edit is not done in good faith. Some of the users involved do not actually know that I have a good track record when it comes to article contributions and maintain a civil demeanor, but I don't want to cause way too much drama in this matter, so I think taking a break from AN and letting it play out should work. What would be the best time to ask for a request for closure? We cannot let it fizzle out after a couple of weeks and I would hate to see this go off-topic again. Also concerning the Wikihounding issues, the off-topic accusations have been brought up again, even though I said that I have no interest in discussing about it anymore and one of the users is bringing things off-topic again by saying that I am gravedancing and going after the user while he was blocked and calling it a battleground. Sigh, what a total piece of work but, oh well... I think at this point, it's really time for me to take a break from the AN discussion and let the rest unfold until it's time to close it. I want to participate in the discussion, but I don't want to get too involved. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:17, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- I recommend that you don't participate anymore, unless directly addressed, so that the focus isn't misdirected on to you. With the rest of your concerns, I wouldn't worry, AN is monitored by many people, and things will be taken care of eventually. I'd focus on content creation, and merely reading AN. My 2 cents. Sergecross73 msg me 04:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. By the way, Niemti has posted a statement in case you aren't aware. I will probably have to get back to work on creating content. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 12:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- You're not disengaging very well, here or at AN... Sergecross73 msg me 13:34, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- Now then, I have clearly decided that I will leave AN to the rest of the editors. Shall we work on Sonic Shuffle? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 16:41, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- You're not disengaging very well, here or at AN... Sergecross73 msg me 13:34, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. By the way, Niemti has posted a statement in case you aren't aware. I will probably have to get back to work on creating content. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 12:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- I recommend that you don't participate anymore, unless directly addressed, so that the focus isn't misdirected on to you. With the rest of your concerns, I wouldn't worry, AN is monitored by many people, and things will be taken care of eventually. I'd focus on content creation, and merely reading AN. My 2 cents. Sergecross73 msg me 04:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- Indeed, it's time to take a break from AN and get back to work on other articles too. I obviously know better than to stalk any editor or as they say "gravedance" on any occasion, and it's only stalking if an edit is not done in good faith. Some of the users involved do not actually know that I have a good track record when it comes to article contributions and maintain a civil demeanor, but I don't want to cause way too much drama in this matter, so I think taking a break from AN and letting it play out should work. What would be the best time to ask for a request for closure? We cannot let it fizzle out after a couple of weeks and I would hate to see this go off-topic again. Also concerning the Wikihounding issues, the off-topic accusations have been brought up again, even though I said that I have no interest in discussing about it anymore and one of the users is bringing things off-topic again by saying that I am gravedancing and going after the user while he was blocked and calling it a battleground. Sigh, what a total piece of work but, oh well... I think at this point, it's really time for me to take a break from the AN discussion and let the rest unfold until it's time to close it. I want to participate in the discussion, but I don't want to get too involved. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:17, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- Its alright, I just don't want you to get in over your head where I can't defend you, because you are a great contributor. Anyways, we should probably keep the AN thread going for quite a while, since bans are a big deal. I'd recommend taking a seat and watching the rest play out. Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- I obviously admit that I was too aggressive in pursuing a ban on my part, and I know better than to do that, so I apologize for what I have done. I hope I did not violate any policies in doing so, because being disruptive would lead me to be blocked. I do agree that I should stay clear from Niemti so it doesn't get me into any trouble. Thanks, Serge. By the way, I wanted to ask you about how long should we wait until it's time to close the AN discussion? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- It appears things are going exactly how I've been saying it would go, which is why I wanted to take a passive role on things.
- Sorry. I have not been ignoring the fact that you raised the idea too. I guess I forgot to include you too. My mistake. I was only asking Sergecross73 to take a look at the interaction ban and see if there are any comments. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- Please don't try to skirt around or ignore the fact that I am the one that raised the idea... :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 19:05, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I have been meaning to clean that article up, although I'm unsure how much time ill have for editing the rest of the weekend. I will help though eventually, when I can. It's a good idea for a new focus though, definitely. Sergecross73 msg me 16:47, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- I'll help out on Sonic Shuffle as well. It's a pretty ugly article in its current state. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:58, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- I know Sjones23 is reading this so, I'll just post it here-- Sjones23, I don't think it's a good idea to copy what I wrote on the AN page and make it your own... while I'm flattered you like my comments, regurgitating what the others are saying won't really help your case (you and Niemti's interaction is pretty "edgy" to say the least) and it kinda shows you're not really attempting to back off from the discussion and let it run its course. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:30, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- I see your point now and apologise. Now then, on Sonic Shuffle, I think we should use Crash Bash or Crash Nitro Kart as models for the article. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:36, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- I know Sjones23 is reading this so, I'll just post it here-- Sjones23, I don't think it's a good idea to copy what I wrote on the AN page and make it your own... while I'm flattered you like my comments, regurgitating what the others are saying won't really help your case (you and Niemti's interaction is pretty "edgy" to say the least) and it kinda shows you're not really attempting to back off from the discussion and let it run its course. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:30, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Sonic Shuffle
It's a very good thing to let me know that I might have gone a little too far, as Misplaced Pages is a collaborative encyclopedia. :-) Fortunately, while I can find some sources for Sonic Shuffle including quotes from the game itself, I've asked ThomasO1989 if he has any magazines or articles in mind for this article, Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2. I was wondering if you have any sources as well. If so, I think we should post these on the talk page. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:41, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Also, I've posted an announcement on my talk page in case if you or anyone else is willing to read it. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:17, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've commented there. Sergecross73 msg me 02:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
- Well, looks like everything is all settled then. At least I just don't have to make a big fuss over it anymore. :-) Now, in addition to Sonic Shuffle, I plan to make the Sonic the Hedgehog series a Good Topic obviously. I have tried to help expand the list, but I still feel that there are issues with the FA. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 16:06, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, hopefully those discussions are done forever or for a long time at least. So...eh, what list do you mean? Like the list of titles that would need to be included to make it be a Good Topic? Or am I reading it wrong? Sergecross73 msg me 16:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm referring to the List of Sonic the Hedgehog video games. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 16:17, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- Ohhhh gotcha. Yeah, I'm not real familiar with the standards for list articles like that, and as such, have always focused more on the Sonic (series) article and the main Sonic games template. Sergecross73 msg me 16:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- You may want to take a look at WP:WIAFL for possible standards in an FL. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:07, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- I shall. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 17:11, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- You may want to take a look at WP:WIAFL for possible standards in an FL. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:07, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- Ohhhh gotcha. Yeah, I'm not real familiar with the standards for list articles like that, and as such, have always focused more on the Sonic (series) article and the main Sonic games template. Sergecross73 msg me 16:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm referring to the List of Sonic the Hedgehog video games. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 16:17, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, hopefully those discussions are done forever or for a long time at least. So...eh, what list do you mean? Like the list of titles that would need to be included to make it be a Good Topic? Or am I reading it wrong? Sergecross73 msg me 16:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- Well, looks like everything is all settled then. At least I just don't have to make a big fuss over it anymore. :-) Now, in addition to Sonic Shuffle, I plan to make the Sonic the Hedgehog series a Good Topic obviously. I have tried to help expand the list, but I still feel that there are issues with the FA. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 16:06, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Breaking Benjamin
The argument you are making for not removing the 'Hiatus' tag from Breaking Benjamin can be used in the same way against why you are wanting to keep it in the first place. To quote you:
"Please stop doing this unless you've got a reliable source stating they have officially broken up. You can't just deem them broken up because you haven't heard any updates from them in a while, that's called original research."
In this same vein, you can't deem them 'together' when the band is a two-member team and the latest anyone has heard is a heresay interview from an unaccredited 3rd party website. The latest, in fact, is that Ben Burnley has been writing songs for other bands:
https://twitter.com/MikeStreer/status/292073374539186176
The box on Misplaced Pages clearly says "years active." The years they were active ENDED in 2010. In the same way you can say "unless there's official word they've broken up, they're still together," I can say "Unless there's official word they're together, then they've broken up."
Further evidence:
http://www.ace show biz.com/news/view/00042590.html (sans the spaces)
The title of the article is "BREAKING BENJAMIN SPLITS..." So if "Hard Rock Haven" is considered a reliable source, then this site is as well. The first lines of the article are: "Breaking Benjamin, who are currently in hiatus, have broken up"
Thanks, --Vemnox (talk) 20:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
- In the most recent source in the article, the drummer of the band literally says "Breaking Benjamin is still together". This is from February 2012, and as far as I'm aware of, the most recent official word from a band member. Not only is your source outdated, it doesn't cover the whole story. Billboard, about as reliable as it gets with the music industry, confirms that "Mr. Burnley intends on moving forward using the name Breaking Benjamin and the band will continue." Unless you've got a more updated source, "hiatus" is a much more accurate term. Sergecross73 msg me 20:26, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
oops
I guess you're right, I'm sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbra (talk • contribs) 18:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- No problem. I just wanted to trim it down some so we didn't place too much focus on one source. Sergecross73 msg me 18:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I have a doubt, do you think it would be a good idea to make a separate category for the awards in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbra (talk • contribs) 21:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- I don't have a problem with that unless a game only has a single award or something, which is not the case for Xenoblade. You can re-add that, I only removed it when it was caught in the revert of your other changes. Sergecross73 msg me 21:44, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok thank you then, yeah Xenoblade has got plenty of awards year after year in the places it has been released, so I will add it, thank you, sorry if I have bothered you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbra (talk • contribs) 21:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
the D in BRD
It would be great if you at least replied once to the discussion per BRD?Lucia Black (talk) 03:19, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- Would you calm down a bit? I hadn't been on Misplaced Pages since I reverted you, so I hadn't even realized there was a discussion. (Come on, what was it, like 10 hours ago only?) Furthermore, I left a pretty clear edit summary, so its not like I didn't discuss at all either. Now, I'll respond on the Sonic series template talk page, but yikes, tone it down some... Sergecross73 msg me 10:42, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- i think you're assuming harsh tone. I did not mean to imply it. But discussing is meant to be on talkpages. It helps avoid edit wars. Imagine if the only way to reply back was to revert your revert.Lucia Black (talk) 10:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- I know that, what I'm saying is, here was no reason to think I wasn't going to discuss things. Sergecross73 msg me 10:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- i think you're assuming harsh tone. I did not mean to imply it. But discussing is meant to be on talkpages. It helps avoid edit wars. Imagine if the only way to reply back was to revert your revert.Lucia Black (talk) 10:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
You've left discussions before and I usually end up empty handed (meaning, my editing philosophy never changes because no one attempts to update it with the current debates im involved in). Hence my progress in[REDACTED] has been halted.Lucia Black (talk) 11:08, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) No need to be so quick to accuse Serge of neglecting to discuss. Assume good faith. TheStickMan 12:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- i previously made a similar responce back then, in which (as expected) reacted horribly despite similar circumstances happening to me. All because i read between the lines too much? Im simply stating that trust in[REDACTED] (for me) has gone nearly down the drain.Lucia Black (talk) 12:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks Stick Man. Sadly, it seems Lucia tends to find my most mundane, vanilla responses to be offensive somehow. Anyway, Lucia, the reason people like myself tend to end our discussions with you, is because they degrade into an endless circle of rehashed arguments. At a certain point, there is simply nothing left to be said. You need to learn when to let it go. Sergecross73 msg me 13:09, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- i previously made a similar responce back then, in which (as expected) reacted horribly despite similar circumstances happening to me. All because i read between the lines too much? Im simply stating that trust in[REDACTED] (for me) has gone nearly down the drain.Lucia Black (talk) 12:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
My goal is to get at least 1 GA. Letting go, meant giving up on previous high potential articles.. i think letting go affected me worst to the point where i need a good answer. Not a half baked one. Stick man got offended by my vanilla responces before. It happens, and i did it intentionally to show its not me. It just happens that im the only one adressing it. But beside the point. Ive let go more than you can imagine.Lucia Black (talk) 13:28, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- First of all, I think you're being a tad melodramatic here about this whole "letting go" thing. Second of all, have we met before? Your username doesn't strike me as familiar... TheStickMan 14:20, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I would agree on that assertion. (Sidenote: I'm not sure if it helps or not, but I believe she used to go by another user name.
Ninja Breadman or something like that.Bread Ninja.) Sergecross73 msg me 14:29, 5 April 2013 (UTC)- That name rings a bell but I don't remember ever having any significant interactions with him. TheStickMan 14:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- No i changed my pretty early as i realized i couldve gone with kunoichi, the female version. But since bread kunoichi wasnt as catchy, i changed it to it having my real name somewhere. Im not being melodramatic. Im expressing how low the bar is right now and i cant even make one article onto GA because its usually 1 passionate editor vs me. When people get in your way of improving articles, let me know.Lucia Black (talk) 18:33, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- Most regular editors on Misplaced Pages are here to improve. Naturally, we all have different ideas on what should be considered "improvement". In the end everyone is just trying to help, and acting like people are just trying to get in your way and hold back your progress as an editor is a terrible attitude and screams "bad faith". The way I've noticed you and Serge clashing a few times in the recent past makes me wonder if you think some editors have a vendetta against you or something like that. TheStickMan 20:19, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- No i changed my pretty early as i realized i couldve gone with kunoichi, the female version. But since bread kunoichi wasnt as catchy, i changed it to it having my real name somewhere. Im not being melodramatic. Im expressing how low the bar is right now and i cant even make one article onto GA because its usually 1 passionate editor vs me. When people get in your way of improving articles, let me know.Lucia Black (talk) 18:33, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- That name rings a bell but I don't remember ever having any significant interactions with him. TheStickMan 14:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I would agree on that assertion. (Sidenote: I'm not sure if it helps or not, but I believe she used to go by another user name.
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Fragments of Jade sockpuppet
I've already posted this on Salvidrim's page, but since there's no response as of yet, I just want to inform you of something that may require your attention as an administrator: 76.120.178.220 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), whom I suspect to be a sockpuppet of Fragments of Jade (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (who has been banned by the community for her abusive sock puppetry), is on the loose. Same interests (i.e. Earl Cain, Professor Layton), same addition of speculation, same geographical location (Pennsylvania), same attitude. Isn't it time to give this IP a long block? Also, should we use file an abuse response or use an edit filter if possible? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:30, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- I think what you're looking for can be found here. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 05:07, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, I see what you mean now. I was only asking a few administrators to deal with the sockpuppet. Merci beaucoup, Salvidrim. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:16, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I probably would have sent you there too in this instance, since I haven't been involved in this person's antics. At least the IP hasn't been that active either way... Sergecross73 msg me 01:12, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
- I agree. Not to mention that I first got introduced to FOJ (as Yomiel) in that RFC over at the Silent Hill video game article back in 2011 and I only got involved trying to help out initially by posting on the VG talk page. I reported her for her disruptive behavior, personal attacks, adding speculation and edit warring (which is characteristic of FOJ's behavior) at ANI which led to a short block. The next ANI report resulted in FOJ arguing despite my best to calm the situation down. Diannaa, BelloWello (who was banned in July 2011) and I tried to help the user, but helping her did bring more harm than good. And only did I realize that I was being trolled by FOJ after Hula Hup (aka Golden Sugarplum) filed an ANI report on her a few hours later (at that point she revealed that she was involved in that "Wild Arms" incident back in 2009, which is one of her favourite topics in addition to Layton, Silent Hill, Professor Layton and Earl Cain) and her Yomiel account was caught. That incident taught me an important and valuable lesson: You cannot trust sockpuppeteers or sockpuppets if they are acting disruptive. But of course, all of that is water over the dam now. FOJ often changes her IP range whenever she gets blocked as an IP. Given the fact that some users (i.e. Erigu, Hula Hup and MuZemike) has dealt with FOJ before and is no longer a sysop, I did report the sockpuppet to SPI though. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:21, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I probably would have sent you there too in this instance, since I haven't been involved in this person's antics. At least the IP hasn't been that active either way... Sergecross73 msg me 01:12, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, I see what you mean now. I was only asking a few administrators to deal with the sockpuppet. Merci beaucoup, Salvidrim. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:16, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Shinedown
I listed a source for him to add as I was in a hurry. I kinda just get on sometimes to check my messages then leave. But I provided a source and the info wasnt challenged, he removed it because of no source despite me telling him where I found it many times. He even said himself that it was true so he wasnt challenging anything, just removing it. BlackDragon 00:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
- You hadn't "provided a source", you merely mentioned their Facebook in an edit summary.
- It's not a good idea to link to a band's general Facebook page like that - it's too vague. After a couple of months pass by, there will be so many other "Updates", "Posts", "Pictures" and other stuff that will come before it that it'll be hard for people to verify in the future. Sergecross73 msg me 01:00, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Yeah but I gave an address just to show him so he would stop removing it. And you know im not the only one you can provide a link for it. I might some other time but for now its about every post on their page. BlackDragon 18:41, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I find it rather puzzling that you took the type to put it into an edit summary, but not into the article itself, doing either should take roughly the same amount of time/effort. Also, no one said you were the only one who can provide a source for it, you're just being targeted/blamed because you're the one who is repeatedly re-adding it without a proper source. Anyways, your Facebook source will work for now, but like I said, if you want it to stay long term, you'd be much better off finding a more specific source, or someone may end up removing it. Sergecross73 msg me 12:51, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Because I didnt have a link at the time besides its home page and didnt have time to find a proper one and I also am not sure how to add a ref without checking out the other refs first to see what to put. So thats why I just gave a link. And again "your source", "you", The main link is directly at the top of the other one and besides im the only editor in like the past week at least on that page. And most people wont bother if they just "see" a ref. So they are still heavily promoting it and its probably on their website so If it wont work in a month then you or someone could also add another ref. BlackDragon 02:11, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- Why are you still arguing this? Provide sources. Follow WP:BURDEN. The end. Sergecross73 msg me 02:25, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Super Mario All-Stars
Hey, would you mind helping out at Talk:Super Mario All-Stars? A user is insisting on including a list of differences between the game and its NES versions, but I don't consider many of the differences to be notable and it goes against WP:TRIVIA, WP:GUIDE, and WP:FANCRUFT. He's not budging on the subject until more people give their opinion and I don't want to get into an Edit War. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 14:11, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
- Sure, I'll look into it. Sergecross73 msg me 14:13, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Unrelated to 8th gen consoles!
I know most of our interactions have been @ 8th gen, I was wondering though if you could help me with a double-move? Rutgers-Newark to Rutgers–Newark (from hyphen to en-dash). There's no opposition on the talkpage to moving it back, and it used to be there (but things got moved during an editor argument, which has since been resolved). It is also consistant (the Camden and New Brunswick articles both are titled in such a way), and correct (Rutgers Style Guide says to do it). Thank you! (Or if not I can put it on RM, I just figured I remembered you were an admin and might be willing to do it). -Kai445 (talk) 00:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- Remind me to do this in a day or two if there still isn't opposition. I don't want to be too hasty in making the change considering all of the arguing on that talk page. (And I'm not familiar with the subject, or hyphen/en-dash usage in titles, so I'd be going strictly off of the discussion and its consensus, which doesn't entail very many people yet. I'll do it in a day or two, unless you think a RM would be faster and would rather push ahead with that too, its up to you. Sergecross73 msg me 12:47, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks! I just noticed they were arguing again, I thought it was settled, but I should not have underestimated how personally editors can take[REDACTED] arguments. -Kai445 (talk) 13:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know sometimes these discussions on article titling can drag on forever. Normally, I'd gladly do this for you, but I don't want to jump in on this one unless there's a pretty solid consensus, since again, not familiar with the topic. Keep me posted if things clear up down the road and you still want me to do this though. Sergecross73 msg me 13:14, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks! I just noticed they were arguing again, I thought it was settled, but I should not have underestimated how personally editors can take[REDACTED] arguments. -Kai445 (talk) 13:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice.
Although I wasn't please with the outcome, I sincerely appreciate your advice on Talk:Super Mario All-Stars. I'm glad I was able to come to a peaceful conclusion as opposed to an "edit war". I love video games, but I hate when people fight over what is posted. glad to move on. NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 07:44, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- No problem. Thanks for being understanding. Sorry things didn't go more in your favor. Over time, you'll grow to see what types of stuff is acceptable on Misplaced Pages, and this sort of things will be easier. Feel free to ask me questions if you need help with anything. Sergecross73 msg me 14:10, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Issue
Hi Sergecross. Could you please delete the categories created by this user, as editors have already determined the WikiProject to be unnecessary due to the existence of the Grand Theft Auto task force. Thanks! ~ Satellizer el Bridget ~ 22:56, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, Ive had limited Internet time this weekend. I'll look into it tomorrow. Sergecross73 msg me 01:23, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- UPDATE: I think I got them all. Sergecross73 msg me 12:41, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Discussion at Template talk:Bullying#This reversion
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Bullying#This reversion. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:22, 16 April 2013 (UTC)Template:Z48
- Wow, there is a lot going on there! I'll look through it, but as I'm not especially well versed in Bullying and whatnot, I may or may not be of any help... Sergecross73 msg me 12:55, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- There is no rush. I just don't want to get involved in an argument with users who have disagreements about me. That's why I ask uninvolved users to get involved. I have had my own share of detractors on Misplaced Pages, but I feel that it's best to just ignore them. If you don't mind, can you please taie a look at Talk:Abuse#Problems? There appears to be a disagreement between two users over numerous problems with the article. As they say, "keep calm and carry on." Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:08, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Sonic Adventure
There seems to be concerns about the article's sources. I am using the instruction manual as sources for the gameplay and plot section, as well as the quotes from the game itself. I was wondering if you, Salvidrim or ThomasO1989 have any sources that would be beneficial to the article as a whole? Also, keep in mind I have an exceptionally low tolerance for uncalled for disrespect or venomous comments over trivial matters about me or unfounded allegations of my behavior without clear evidence, as well as contentious disputes that can be easily settled at different talk pages. That's why I ignore detractors and users that are what I believe to be trolling me or who show disrespect over my shortcomings (which are fairly small), as well as those who drag up past problems that have nothing to do with situations at the present as well as contentious confrontations. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- I can try to help with SA later today. (Where are these other troubles you speak of? I didn't see that happening at SA, and doubt that part was in regards to me, Thomas, or Salvidrim, haha. (Or is Salvidrim trolling people against. Kidding. ) Sergecross73 msg me 10:52, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. When someone post questionable aspects of my behavior in dealing with users whose comments are out of line, that's when I get a little annoyed. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 13:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- Indeed, that's always upsetting. But where is this happening? Sergecross73 msg me 13:14, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- Nowhere at the moment for me. But I recently found out that Dreadstar (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) was driven off of Misplaced Pages by an abusive editor during a ban appeal at WT:BASC (I was obviously uninvolved). Very sad news.... Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 13:20, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- I see. I didn't know him, but that's too bad none-the-less... Sergecross73 msg me 14:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- For reference, the discussion in question is at WT:BASC#User:Will Beback appeal voting results. But I digress. Now, getting back to the SA business, there are some concerns that need to be addressed. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:01, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- Also, on an irrelevant note, I hate it whenever an editor is subjected to comments which I find to be disgraceful or ridiculous comments and I sympathize with them. If you take a look at my barnstars, you will see that these are all for my improvements to Misplaced Pages, nothing more. Having dealt with some conduct issues and sockpuppets of Yourname, FOJ and Zhoban, it has led me to believe that these users often cause me extra trouble to the point of taking it to SPI or alerting it to an administrator. Well, anyway, about the game's story section, I am going to try and help trim it down. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- I see. I didn't know him, but that's too bad none-the-less... Sergecross73 msg me 14:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- Nowhere at the moment for me. But I recently found out that Dreadstar (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) was driven off of Misplaced Pages by an abusive editor during a ban appeal at WT:BASC (I was obviously uninvolved). Very sad news.... Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 13:20, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- Indeed, that's always upsetting. But where is this happening? Sergecross73 msg me 13:14, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. When someone post questionable aspects of my behavior in dealing with users whose comments are out of line, that's when I get a little annoyed. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 13:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Interaction ban question
I hate to bother you, but just in general, if X violates their agreement not to interact with Y, would X or Y report the problem to an administrator or ANI or tell them that they have violated their agreement not to interact with the other (i.e. the incident where Yworo had an IP stalker that had an interaction ban, which later turned into a community ban on the IP for his harassment back in 2011, even though I am not involved)? Also, is X exempt from an interaction ban if Y is site banned? I just want to ask for a clarification (and also, this has nothing to do with me in particular, just users in general). Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:38, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- An admin or ANI would be just fine, in my opinion. Sometimes its best to go back to whichever Admin "made it official" for the quickest/easiest results.
- I would think that, while an interaction ban would be largely irrelevent if one of the members was community banned, I would still think that the interaction ban would still be in effect for the short time that the community banned person were around before inevitably indef blocked for violating it. If there were 2 people with an interaction ban, and one was community banned, I would think it would be best if the one who isn't community banned would just report the other one, without any interaction to the other person, to an admin or ANI.
- (These are just my interpretations of policy. I suppose it could go differently if consensus felt otherwise or something.) Sergecross73 msg me 14:44, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- Got it. Thanks. By the way, Sonic Adventure is now a GA. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:05, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- Very nice work! So what's next? Do you plan on moving on to another Sonic article? Or do you have other things in mind? Sergecross73 msg me 13:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
- Planning to get the first three Sonic games, Sonic R and Sonic CD to GA status obviously. And also to get the Sonic video game list to FL status. Also, in case you or any one of your TPS folks are aware, I've started up a new entry on my daily thoughts here. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm flattered that my talk page could be considered populated enough to be a platform for promotion, haha. But yes, good luck with exams, and don't let any Wiki-drama distract you from such important real life things. Sergecross73 msg me 13:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. It's crunch time at college obviously and I basically used DarthBotto's page as a model for my daily thoughts. I think that these previous discussions about my involvement with long-term abusive users have emphasized the fact that, as they say, some things are just not worth the risk, you know? I do intend to work on Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game), but I will have to have this article peer reviewed first if there are no objections. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:37, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- Also, just so you are aware, Dreadstar has returned after 10 days. I think that was a case of Don't feed the divas after all. Other than that, let's "keep calm and carry on." Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:48, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm flattered that my talk page could be considered populated enough to be a platform for promotion, haha. But yes, good luck with exams, and don't let any Wiki-drama distract you from such important real life things. Sergecross73 msg me 13:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- Planning to get the first three Sonic games, Sonic R and Sonic CD to GA status obviously. And also to get the Sonic video game list to FL status. Also, in case you or any one of your TPS folks are aware, I've started up a new entry on my daily thoughts here. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- Very nice work! So what's next? Do you plan on moving on to another Sonic article? Or do you have other things in mind? Sergecross73 msg me 13:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
- Got it. Thanks. By the way, Sonic Adventure is now a GA. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:05, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Akuma and Kazuya Mishima voice actors article
Hi Sergecross73. I've seen that you created a lot of articles, including Device (band). I didn't know that. Can you also create articles for Taketora and Masanori Shinohara ( Akuma's and Kazuya Mishima's voice actors).Articles for them doesn't exist, but it should. I would be very thankful to you if only you could do that ( if that's not problem to you). If you can do that, message me please. Thanks, DisturbedAsylum — Preceding unsigned comment added by Disturbedasylum (talk • contribs) 07:39, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
- Normally I'd like to help you, but I would find this to be difficult. I don't know much about voice actors in general, let alone these two, so it's hard for me to know if if Misplaced Pages's standard for whether or not its notable enough to have its own article. And it would take me a lot of research to even know what to say. Beyond that, most of the articles I write are about video games or music CDs. Articles about people also have to follow stricter rules, which I was comfortable with doing with Device because I was pretty familiar with the band's backgrounds, but would again be harder with these people, who I'm unfamiliar with.
- It does seem that you're getting better at learning Misplaced Pages and its rules. Perhaps over time you'll feel comfortable enough to be able to write these articles on your own. Best of luck, and feel free to keep asking me for help, even if I couldn't really help you this time. Sergecross73 msg me 13:09, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
When you said that you write articles about video games, does that mean that you also write articles about video game characters? --DisturbedAsylum (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:08, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- Not very often, I usually just write about games as a whole. I think the only character article I've worked extensively on is the massive, work-in-progress Characters of Chrono Cross. I only really helped with Akuma because I wanted to help solve the problem between you and The Stick Man (talk · contribs), who is someone I've worked with in the past here at Misplaced Pages. I can help clean up existing video game character articles, but I wouldn't be the best person for the job. (I could probably learn to do it, but if I was actually motivated enough to do character articles, then I'd probably start with a few character articles I've been thinking about doing first, so it'd be a long ways off...) Sergecross73 msg me 12:59, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Battlefield of the Mind soundtrack
Are you going to add anything about this to Lo-Pro as one of the "side-projects"? I tried to find more specific details, but couldn't find much other than Pete Murray doing vocals on couple of tracks ("No Words" and "Tear it Down") and him and Neil Godfrey playing Whisky a Go Go Apr 24 with other musicians who contributed to the project. . Just a thought ;) --Sk4170 (talk) 20:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've been meaning to add that to the article. Thanks for saying something. Yeah, I've recently overhauled the article, partially because I'm so much better with Wiki-standards and writing than I was in 2009 and 2010 when I originally wrote the Lo-Pro article, and partially to get rid of the "Side-Projects" section because people kept on inflating it with trivia and very loosely related info that didn't really belong. I still kept the more important side-project info in the article though, and I just moved it into the respective timeframes for the band. In that respect, it could definitely be added to the article, in the most recent subsection. I'll do that soon. (I've actually thought about making a "Battlefield of the Mind" article, as I think it could in theory be argued to be notable considering all of the well-known artists from notable bands that are involved, but I've seen so few sources on it, I havne't felt I could attempt it yet...) Sergecross73 msg me 20:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I knew you had to be aware of this, and wondered if you forgot ;). Found that the soundtrack is listed on Staind for some reason. In all, looks like a very low-scale project. Just want to add that you're doing a great job with the Lo-Pro articles :) --Sk4170 (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kind words! Glad to see someone notices my work on the Lo-Pro articles; so few people edit them besides me, I sometimes wonder how much goes noticed even. (Not that it matters that much, I just enjoy making really cleaned up and detailed articles for a band that meets the WP:GNG but doesn't get a whole lot of attention, the type that usually only super popular/mainstream acts get...) Sergecross73 msg me 21:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I knew you had to be aware of this, and wondered if you forgot ;). Found that the soundtrack is listed on Staind for some reason. In all, looks like a very low-scale project. Just want to add that you're doing a great job with the Lo-Pro articles :) --Sk4170 (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
FYI
Hi. I don't really know if you are aware of this, but Fladrif is involved in a discussion regarding his block/unblock and incivility at ANI. Just wanting to give you a heads up on the matter. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:25, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
- I took a look after you told Salvidrim. He looks like another one of those editors that is bound to be indef blocked sooner or later because of his unwillingness or inability to place nice. Sergecross73 msg me 00:48, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- All right. Thanks. By the way, in spite of our disagreements and controversies that we have been involved, I want to also commend you for your work as a video game contributor and an administrator, in addition to Salvidrim and others who may be watching. I also want to apologize if I was ever uncivil in anyway or caused issues with users in any way whether its intentional or unintentional. I honestly didn't mean for some of the past and current things to happen. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kind words! I don't believe you've ever really cause me any trouble, I just hope you don't cause yourself undue stress when dealing with difficult editors. But you know your limits better than I. Congrats on the Sonic Adventure GA. I'm sorry my wiki-attention span is so random, sporadic, and fickle that I don't always assist you as much as I initially intend. Sergecross73 msg me 02:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- No hard feelings at all. Thanks. At least I have moved on from that dispute with Niemti. In fact, a user has apologized to me since he realized that he made some observations that were in a negative light. Now then, Sonic the Hedgehog has a peer review in case you are interested in it. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kind words! I don't believe you've ever really cause me any trouble, I just hope you don't cause yourself undue stress when dealing with difficult editors. But you know your limits better than I. Congrats on the Sonic Adventure GA. I'm sorry my wiki-attention span is so random, sporadic, and fickle that I don't always assist you as much as I initially intend. Sergecross73 msg me 02:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- All right. Thanks. By the way, in spite of our disagreements and controversies that we have been involved, I want to also commend you for your work as a video game contributor and an administrator, in addition to Salvidrim and others who may be watching. I also want to apologize if I was ever uncivil in anyway or caused issues with users in any way whether its intentional or unintentional. I honestly didn't mean for some of the past and current things to happen. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Meh
No offense, but I see you as a bias admin. Niemti clearly did something wrong, and other editors are continuing to follow that trend. And you agree and allow it? What is that? I may be difficult, but definitely not impossible. I prefer every ANI encounter dealt by some other Admin.Lucia Black (talk) 00:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Well then, again, best of luck. You've got a lot of uphill battles ahead of you at this rate, with your attitude and interpretations of policy. Sergecross73 msg me 00:13, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- I am trying to help Lucia Black calm down and have pointed out relevant information of policies. I've also reminded her if she wants to let off steam, she shouldn't do it on Misplaced Pages, which is a collaborative environment. We'll see what happens. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Look, if someone has a personal issue with my attitude, fine. Its not like I'm like this with every1. Example: Some editors in WP:SE seem to find me reliable. Just as another specific editor has made it difficult to discuss, with constant cursing when irritated, constantly deletes discussions in his talkpage without closure. Etc. Interpretation of policies are fine.Lucia Black (talk) 00:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- If you have issues with others, I think it's always best to apologize to the users if that makes you feel bad. Lucia Black, I do see you as a good editor. However, I do feel that it's best if you should distance yourself from difficult editors who are causing you stress. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for your efforts, SJones. I won't interact with her, as to not cannibalize your efforts. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 00:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- No problem. I just don't want her or myself to get involved in contentions confrontations with other users who give us extra trouble. Judgesurreal777, a fellow member of the Square Enix WikiProject, supported my comment at User talk:Lucia Black#Notification regarding the possible issues she may have with other users. I am sorry she feels that way about some other users. If someone asks a user not to post on their talk page, they really shouldn't unless they have to. They will have to take extra steps to be respectful. Posting on a user's talk page after being asked not to violates the Misplaced Pages harassment policy. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for your efforts, SJones. I won't interact with her, as to not cannibalize your efforts. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 00:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- If you have issues with others, I think it's always best to apologize to the users if that makes you feel bad. Lucia Black, I do see you as a good editor. However, I do feel that it's best if you should distance yourself from difficult editors who are causing you stress. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Look, if someone has a personal issue with my attitude, fine. Its not like I'm like this with every1. Example: Some editors in WP:SE seem to find me reliable. Just as another specific editor has made it difficult to discuss, with constant cursing when irritated, constantly deletes discussions in his talkpage without closure. Etc. Interpretation of policies are fine.Lucia Black (talk) 00:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- I am trying to help Lucia Black calm down and have pointed out relevant information of policies. I've also reminded her if she wants to let off steam, she shouldn't do it on Misplaced Pages, which is a collaborative environment. We'll see what happens. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Farewell
I am sending this message to the users who I have closely collaborated with. I will be taking a temporary Wikibreak for at least 5-7 days to let off some steam and get myself reenergized. Some of the stress has got to me, so I think it's best if I should take a couple of days off. I also have final exams coming up as well, so I have more important things to worry about. I, however, will be here to contribute to some articles that I have worked on. Until then, farewell. With my very best and warmest regards, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Oops, just responded at WP:VG. Anyways, that's always good, to take a break so you don't wear yourself out. (Since its ultimately just a hobby, you have to make sure you enjoy it, or you won't feel the need to come back.) This way, you can concentrate on wrapping up school too. (Or if you already have, you can just take it easy a bit.)
- Enjoy your time off. See you around. Sergecross73 msg me 20:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. Part of this Wikibreak could also stem from my frustration over Misplaced Pages's inability to deal with a couple of persistently disruptive users (i.e. those with a bullying or battleground mentality in general or those who seem to be oblivious to their own uncivil behaviors), combined with my frustration and realization of my immaturity in some of my approaches to dealing with these users, and also my realization that a couple of users' comments towards me were in a negative light. Also, some users have recently subjected me to very serious personal abuse and constant uncivil behavior, but I have mostly moved on from that. Some of those things can basically say that "some things are just not worth the risk", you know? I will still be around though during my Wikibreak, just having a lot of things on my mind at the moment (especially the last weeks of my last semester before graduation, it's crunch time) until my break ends, at which point I will be reenergized. I will also still partially work on proposal that I have in mind, which is at an RFC at the moment. I think this will be my last message before my Wikibreak. Best of luck in your future endeavours as well. See you on the other side, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
PlayStation Vita - IFixit
As stated earlier, you guys could be a bit more thorough when reverting edits that _seem_ like they're breaking the rules at first, but then it turns out that they don't.
iFixit is not a "self published blog" by some random blogger. It's a company. A fairly known one, to be honest. A simple googling would've found the same thing from things like CNN anyway. --Diblidabliduu (talk) 15:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- Well, its most definitely a blog, as seen in http://www.ifixit.com/blog/2012/02/16/playstation-vita-teardown/, and much of it is self-published, as seen its tagline "iFixit is the free repair manual that you can edit., though I do see that not all of their info is self-published.
- Yes, one editor did revert mmy edit, but that doesn't mean either of us is right or wrong yet. There is no WP:CONSENSUS yet on whether or not its a useable source. Per WP:BRD, the next step is "Discuss", of which I have in fact followed through on; I've started up a discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources#Ifixit Please give your opinion there. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 16:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure in which one are you planning on continuing this, but:
- Ok, let's get the facts straight. iFixit. It's not a blog. It's a company that posts their _guides_ in a "bloggish" fashion, since they merged that section with the main site. This site also sells parts for people to use with these guides to repair their devices, as well as providing a forum for any further questions.
- Now the "random guy" argument. Again, we are talking about a company with multiple employees in an attempt to create reliable, easy-to-read information on your device and guides on things like how to deal with it when it breaks down. The fact that they had a blog doesn't mean that's all they are, or above all that it's written by a _single_ person.
- And finally, as it already turned out in the CNN article, they were right about what they said.
- I don't understand why is it so hard for you guys to admit when you're wrong. --Diblidabliduu (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- Please see my response at the link above, as I've addressed most of that already, and keep the discussion in one place. Sergecross73 msg me 17:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- I don't understand why is it so hard for you guys to admit when you're wrong. --Diblidabliduu (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game) peer review
While I am still on a semi-Wikibreak due to exams and the stress from dealing with other users, mainly those who cause intentional disruption Misplaced Pages or posted things in a negative light about me as well as the now-indef blocked Fladrif's personal attack on me and other users, namely Dreadstar, AGK, Penbat (who was being wikihounded by Fladrif) and Ched, which was really hateful and condescending (that has already been dealt with), I am almost recovering my enthusiasm and am almost ready to serve the community since the final exams have already been dealt with. I was wondering what we should do to the Sonic the Hedgehog video game since the peer review for the Sonic the Hedgehog video game is still active. I think we should use Crash Bandicoot (video game) and Super Mario Bros. as good models for articles since they are both GA. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- I agree. I commonly use Smb personally, but it might be better to use the Crash one in this case since it seems to emphasize the dev section, which would probably be good for the very first Sonic game. Sergecross73 msg me 01:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- I think that's good enough for me. I think the development section on this article should be expanded. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:57, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Czar raises some good questions in the peer review... But I don't know how many of the answers are actually available. I guess we'll see... Sergecross73 msg me 02:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- I understand where you're coming from. Now, about Sonic Shuffle, we may need to continue working on that as well. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Also, having discovered the comment by Fladrif posted on my talk page over a month ago, which I find to be utterly disgraceful and resentful, was actually a venomous comment part and later became part of a larger discussion at ANI (Keithbob, a user familiar with Fladrif's history, called that comment part of the condescending and offensive way Fladrif treated me and other users) which resulted in an indefinite block on his account because of his personal attacks and heckling (I know of his history before the ANI incident took place and find his comments off-putting from the beginning), at least I don't have to put up with these issues anymore (since that was totally beyond my control) and I feel that my faith in the community is partially restored. That's all water over the dam now. But back to the Sonic the Hedgehog article, we should find some more development info from reliable sources. If there are, would that be acceptable to post on the article's talk page? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:20, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that comment and didn't like that either. Not sure if you noticed, but I did warn him for it. He removed it, but it was restored in his last ANI discussion at least. Sergecross73 msg me 19:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- I did notice that obviously. At least I don't have to put up with that nonsense anymore. :-) But I digress. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- I wasn't sure, he removed it almost instantly. Anyways, in the coming week, I'll try to help some with both Sonic 1991 and Sonic Shuffle. Sergecross73 msg me 20:48, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. In any case though, I think it's best not to get involved in contentions confrontations not only on Misplaced Pages, but in real-life in general. I think that all of Fladrif's comments and people viewing me in a negative light is what I considered to be unjustified and I am shocked to discover that people have posted ongoing questionable aspects on my behavior (i.e. getting involved in civility disputes as an established editor) which I feel to be shameful. Such comments are disgraceful and that's one of the reasons I refuse to deal with users who cause me undue stress or get involved in contentious confrontations on Misplaced Pages out of my own free will. In any case, I am not at all humiliated nor am I a liar, but if one takes a look at my User:Sjones23/Barnstars, these can easily dispel any false allegations that anyone (even those that are being abusive or disruptive) has about me. Best wishes. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hey, you don't have to convince me. Though, don't forget, even if you were completely hated and looked down upon...they're all just random people you'll never meet in real life, or have an impact on your real life. As long as your content is still there, then it doesn't really matter what they think of you. But that's just a "worst case scenario" type thought, don't let a few bad apples let you think you are despised around the place or anything. I'd think you're largely respected around here, so don't give the others a second thought anymore! Sergecross73 msg me 20:01, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- I understand. A lot of people think I am well-respected, but I will leave it at that for now. More importantly, I think other users should be moving on from contentious confrontations to do other things like contribute to video game and anime articles for instance. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- In fact, in this comment on my talk page, Ched has realized that he "made some observations in the past that were in a negative light" about me and apologized if he has offended me personally since I did apologized to him on the talk page if I have caused any trouble or was uncivil. That also made me regain some faith in the community somewhat. So, with that, I have nothing more to say about the past problems for now. But back to Sonic the Hedgehog, the development section needs to be expanded on somewhat. Also, I think Sonic Generations should be expanded on as well as Sonic Adventure 2. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:36, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hey, you don't have to convince me. Though, don't forget, even if you were completely hated and looked down upon...they're all just random people you'll never meet in real life, or have an impact on your real life. As long as your content is still there, then it doesn't really matter what they think of you. But that's just a "worst case scenario" type thought, don't let a few bad apples let you think you are despised around the place or anything. I'd think you're largely respected around here, so don't give the others a second thought anymore! Sergecross73 msg me 20:01, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. In any case though, I think it's best not to get involved in contentions confrontations not only on Misplaced Pages, but in real-life in general. I think that all of Fladrif's comments and people viewing me in a negative light is what I considered to be unjustified and I am shocked to discover that people have posted ongoing questionable aspects on my behavior (i.e. getting involved in civility disputes as an established editor) which I feel to be shameful. Such comments are disgraceful and that's one of the reasons I refuse to deal with users who cause me undue stress or get involved in contentious confrontations on Misplaced Pages out of my own free will. In any case, I am not at all humiliated nor am I a liar, but if one takes a look at my User:Sjones23/Barnstars, these can easily dispel any false allegations that anyone (even those that are being abusive or disruptive) has about me. Best wishes. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- I wasn't sure, he removed it almost instantly. Anyways, in the coming week, I'll try to help some with both Sonic 1991 and Sonic Shuffle. Sergecross73 msg me 20:48, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- I did notice that obviously. At least I don't have to put up with that nonsense anymore. :-) But I digress. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that comment and didn't like that either. Not sure if you noticed, but I did warn him for it. He removed it, but it was restored in his last ANI discussion at least. Sergecross73 msg me 19:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Czar raises some good questions in the peer review... But I don't know how many of the answers are actually available. I guess we'll see... Sergecross73 msg me 02:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- I think that's good enough for me. I think the development section on this article should be expanded. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:57, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Anyways, I've started to work on the Sonic the Hedgehog article and fixed up some of the peer review concerns as well. Even though I stand by my opinions about disruptive editors, some discussions on the drama boards were just not the right place for my opinion to be expressed. I'm sure that I have lost my temper with people on occasion and posted some regrettable things. However, part of that’s one of the things that separates me from my dealings with some disruptive editors that I have been referring to in the past. I always regret my outbursts, I have apologized for them and I try not to do those things like that again. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:39, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- I wouldn't worry about any of that anymore, no one's taking you to ANI, and you don't really need to impress anyone (except GA reviewers I suppose). Content creation is all that matters. On that topic, did you hear that they're making a "3D Classics" port of the original Sonic? Its already in the article, but we'll have to be on the look out for any developments on that, if anything substantial comes from it. (It may not, it may just be a pretty basic port w/ 3D graphics.) Sergecross73 msg me 19:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- I see. So anyways, we should be on the lookout for it and include it in the list of Sonic the Hedgehog video games, which I intend to make it a FL. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- While a new Sonic game has announced, I did manage to apologize to both Kurtis and Georgewilliamherbert if I have caused any trouble and explained what happened after the AN discussion concerning me which Ched's comments cast me in a negative light and I have mentioned you on GWH's talk page. Just wanted to let you know about this. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm glad you've gotten closure on all that. (Though, I can't imagine people still being upset with you on how you've acted. You never really, as far as I've seen, outright attacked anyone or anything, it just seemed like sometimes you pursued things a bit too far. If you stop bringing it up, you may very well find that not only are people not upset about it, but that they've forgotten about things altogether. I think you worry too much!) Sergecross73 msg me 14:14, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yep, and I found almost all people are not being upset at me about these issues. Kurtis was not really upset at me, but also pointed out to me that " is not a reflection of poor judgment on part so much as it is hope that everyone can come to some sort of a solution involving as little drama as possible" and I think that has made things mostly easier for everyone. So with that, most people are not upset about it, not even Kurtis and Ched. I'm not upset about it either but that's all water under the bridge now. I never worry too much as I don't care about getting involved in disputes since it is not my thing anyway. Some people's accusations towards me are very disgraceful and people can drag up some of my past problems with other users, but I have nothing more to say on this matter for now. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 14:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm glad it all worked out then! Sergecross73 msg me 14:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yep, I feel that almost all of it sure has. Even though I stand by my community decisions and I try not to go too far in my dealings, I am obviously willing to forgive users if they change their behavior completely and follow the civility policy, but I cannot really forgive those that don't change. In any case, I am not at all upset when I try to explain the truth of my actions and when I bring some things up to set the record straight, but it was really nice enough for Ched to apologize to me for his comments at that AN discussion (that apology did mean much to me as a veteran Wikipedian), so at least that has also restored some faith in the community for me. Sometimes it's best to try to let the chips fall until the time comes. Almost everyone thinks that I am a well-respected user, but there are a few who don't and are quick to point out many faults because they don't know me or they are just being contentious. Now then, getting back to the Sonic the Hedgehog discussion, what do you think we should do: address the PR concerns now or, since I am a member of the guild of copy-editors, request a copyedit from me or any of the guild's members? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 14:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm glad it all worked out then! Sergecross73 msg me 14:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yep, and I found almost all people are not being upset at me about these issues. Kurtis was not really upset at me, but also pointed out to me that " is not a reflection of poor judgment on part so much as it is hope that everyone can come to some sort of a solution involving as little drama as possible" and I think that has made things mostly easier for everyone. So with that, most people are not upset about it, not even Kurtis and Ched. I'm not upset about it either but that's all water under the bridge now. I never worry too much as I don't care about getting involved in disputes since it is not my thing anyway. Some people's accusations towards me are very disgraceful and people can drag up some of my past problems with other users, but I have nothing more to say on this matter for now. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 14:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm glad you've gotten closure on all that. (Though, I can't imagine people still being upset with you on how you've acted. You never really, as far as I've seen, outright attacked anyone or anything, it just seemed like sometimes you pursued things a bit too far. If you stop bringing it up, you may very well find that not only are people not upset about it, but that they've forgotten about things altogether. I think you worry too much!) Sergecross73 msg me 14:14, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- While a new Sonic game has announced, I did manage to apologize to both Kurtis and Georgewilliamherbert if I have caused any trouble and explained what happened after the AN discussion concerning me which Ched's comments cast me in a negative light and I have mentioned you on GWH's talk page. Just wanted to let you know about this. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- I see. So anyways, we should be on the lookout for it and include it in the list of Sonic the Hedgehog video games, which I intend to make it a FL. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
I think we should work on some of he PR stuff first; I think there's no rush to move too fast with a C/E because I wonder if there may be some stability issues with the release of the 3D port to the 3DS... Sergecross73 msg me 17:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Re: Mario Party 3DS
Thanks for your comment. I still think it should be moved; I just thought that it wasn't really worth the effort as there is nothing especially wrong with the current title and the release name is probably going to end up being "Mario Party 3DS" anyway. The current title just is slightly confusing as people may think that to be the game's title; when in reality it's "Mario Party" but for the 3DS. The original title is more accurate. Thanks. Satellizer el Bridget 23:00, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- I just went ahead and moved it back, as I didn't see any rationale or discussion for the first move, and we both feel the same way. In theory, per WP:BRD, if the other editor still feels strongly about it, they'll start up a discussion on the talk page, and we can explain ourselves there. Sergecross73 msg me 13:30, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game)
Yeah, that's what I meant by "it could be moved to the first if not removed" in my original edit comment. That said, that would further clutter the first paragraph which is already quote-heavy. (I also question the notability of Common Sense Media in this context). –Gunslinger47 20:11, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
- My concern was that your rationale in the edit summaries was more about where it fit in the paragraph than the actual content. I'm pretty sure it can be fit in one way or another. As far as CSM goes, they strike me as a reliable source. If you check their "About Us" page at http://www.commonsensemedia.org/about-us/our-mission you can see they clearly have an editorial policy, clearly defined staff, a mission statement, etc, which is usually a good indicator of reliability. As far as expertise goes, they cover "media", something Sonic and video games clearly fall into, so it doesn't seem like they're outside their experise either. If you still disagree, and want to discuss further, we can, but we ought to have it on the article's talk page, or WP:VG or something, where we can get more input. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 14:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
The issue
Given the issue, and my error, I will take a break from dealing with Lucia and the related pages for the time being. With a bit of a break, it did come across as a bit rude, especially from an outside view. The matter may already have been decided as pointed out, but the damage is done and has cost much support before I could formally announce it. I doubt I even have Bumbelzellio left and while I intended it to be a sort of taskforce it needed to be formally separate for many reasons I gave. I'll just busy myself with creating and improving other pages, like the DBZ one so when that AFC closes I can push the page out. I cannot resolve the problem by myself, and being nice and begging for cooperation doesn't help either. I am glad Knowledgekid87 has accepted my apology, I do not want to fight with editors here. It causes more hassle that results in damage to content and a waste of time. I just do not know how to handle it, and I want input on how to proceed after my self-imposed break from that area. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
- Indeed, when dealing with difficult editors, if you can't get a clear consensus that supports your stance, and discussions are deadlocked, it can be best to work on something else instead, on or off Wiki. I personally recommend to work on more obscure articles, rather than something more mainstream like DBZ, when I need a break arguing with other editors. That can help because there's usually less collaborations or strong feelings about them, and thus, less confrontations and arguments. Some time working in that sort of environment can help you have more tolerance/patience when discussions get more heated at other articles later on.
- Anyways, feel free to ask me for advice or commentary whenever. Sergecross73 msg me 20:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
If I create accounts, do administrators know my ip address? How to know my ip address if I create accounts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fceefyahoo.ca (talk • contribs) 22:58, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
E3 2013 sources
Okay. I added in the sources that IGN's wiki used instead. However you did delete some things I had added that were not using the wiki in the first place. Please make sure you know what you delete before you do so. Thanks! UberPyro64 msg me 23:33, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding new sources. Sorry if I removed some that weren't bogus. Sergecross73 msg me 00:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Ibuki
I eventually moved it to rec myself. Since you care about it so much you decided to misdirect the attention, for some reason. --Niemti (talk) 15:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- It wasn't meant to be misdirection, it was an explanation in response to your "outrage" how no one's really listening to you at ANI. No one wants to waste their time helping out someone who is difficult and condescending every step of the way, and has been accused of doing the same exact thing (ownership issues) in the recent past. Feel free to continue to be bewildered and "severly disappointed" with Wikpedia, but the truth is that you keep shooting yourself in the foot by the way you act. Sergecross73 msg me 16:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- It's not about "helping out me", it's about REPAIRING A HUGE DAMAGE DONE to Misplaced Pages (and stopping it from occuring further). How many times I need to repeat it's not about me to make clear it's in fact, guess what, not about me? --Niemti (talk) 16:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- How many times must you be told that I won't give the time of day to someone who can't show an ounce of respect? (That's you.) If things are as dire and widespread as you say, then perhaps someone with more tolerance for attitude and disrespect will hear you out. (Not me.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:43, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Whoever told you to give your time "to me"? Not me. (And fact you're giving your time to me right now. But anyway.) I can force my way through alright, it's about all those who didn't. --Niemti (talk) 17:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Responding to you takes a couple seconds. Researching your qualms with TOJ would take a bit more. Best of luck with your "forcing", its been working great for you so far... Sergecross73 msg me 17:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- It would be also better if you at least didn't try to misdirect attention while "giving your time" to show how much you don't care. (Also, onc again, it's not "my qualms". I was citing only other people.) --Niemti (talk) 17:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Why are you still talking to me? I don't understand. Just arguing for the sake or arguing? What next? Would you like to question why why I used a colon instead of semi-colon in one of my responses or something? You can stop the theatrics, we're just on my talk page now, and far fewer people are watching. I've already explained my comments weren't misdirection, and its very clearly "your qualms" too if you're the one pushing for it at ANI. Any argument otherwise is just semantics. The point is, you're not getting anywhere here, so go away. Sergecross73 msg me 17:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- It would be also better if you at least didn't try to misdirect attention while "giving your time" to show how much you don't care. (Also, onc again, it's not "my qualms". I was citing only other people.) --Niemti (talk) 17:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- How many times must you be told that I won't give the time of day to someone who can't show an ounce of respect? (That's you.) If things are as dire and widespread as you say, then perhaps someone with more tolerance for attitude and disrespect will hear you out. (Not me.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:43, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- It's not about "helping out me", it's about REPAIRING A HUGE DAMAGE DONE to Misplaced Pages (and stopping it from occuring further). How many times I need to repeat it's not about me to make clear it's in fact, guess what, not about me? --Niemti (talk) 16:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Virtual Console 3DS
May have a potential problem at List of Virtual Console games for Nintendo 3DS (North America). An editor made a bold modification to the list of the games, but I've undone it as it's a fundamental redesign of the article and have requested discussion. I'm not making anymore changes to avoid an edit war, but I would like a second set of eyes on this. Your opinion is most welcome. --McDoobAU93 16:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yup, I was watching it and leaving a comment on the person's talk page at the same time you were writing this. Will comment on articles talk page if things keep going this way. Thank you for the heads up anyways though, it would have been easy to miss. Sergecross73 msg me 16:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- I did notice the timing was rather quick. I don't think I'm in the wrong in this case, but if I'm handling things incorrectly, please let me know. I accept any and all constructive criticism of my work. :) --McDoobAU93 16:19, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- No, I agree with you in keeping it at its original state, but I would like to hear more about the other person's rationale. The only reason they gave was "convenient sortabilty"...but I would find it to be equally sortable in either scenario. If anything, it seemed to be better organized for sorting with separate subsections. Sergecross73 msg me 16:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- I did notice the timing was rather quick. I don't think I'm in the wrong in this case, but if I'm handling things incorrectly, please let me know. I accept any and all constructive criticism of my work. :) --McDoobAU93 16:19, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
A voice of reason
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| For recognizing the value of de-escalation in a recent dispute, I award Sergecross73 this Diplomacy Barnstar. The Interior (Talk) 01:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC) |
- Thank you. At the time, I wasn't even sure if anyone was listening to me. Thanks for the reassurance! Sergecross73 msg me 06:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
TheUnknownNinjaNN2
Would you mind helping me reason with this user? He keeps insisting that his arbitrary, unsourced, and somewhat messy edit on Bowser (character) is actually cited or notable because "it implies so in the game" and the addition "changes the air of the character." --ThomasO1989 (talk) 04:27, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Today looks like it may be a busy day, and it looks like at the moment you've got it under control as far as the actual article goes. Here's my thought; next time he adds a troubling edit (I completely agree with what you're doing, his edits aren't warranted as is.) start up a new subsection about him/his OR on the article talk page, and I'll jump in and try to get through to him. At best, we'll get through to him, at worst, there's likely to be a defined consensus against him. Sound okay? Sergecross73 msg me 14:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- To be honest, this person has exhausted my patience. He can't be reasoned with and is constantly twisting/ignoring all points made against him. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 05:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- Luckily, between the other users he's arguing with in his contribs, and his posts on WP:VG, he's made himself and his lack of understanding public knowledge. I don't think he'll be able to get away with many bad edits. I'll keep an eye on him as well. I don't blame you for tiring of his antics, he seems to enjoy arguing just for the same of being difficult. Let me know if it looks like he's done something wrong and I've missed it. Sergecross73 msg me 10:43, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- To be honest, this person has exhausted my patience. He can't be reasoned with and is constantly twisting/ignoring all points made against him. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 05:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
No, that is not true. I am not trying to be difficult. Oh my... you are geniuses. Using OR on me to point out my error. Problem is that I don't always realize that it is OR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- Its fine that you don't understand OR at first, it can take time. The problem is that experienced users are telling you you're doing it, and you fight with them every step of the way rather than trying to learn/understand it. Also, your stance of "write first, come up with sources later" is backwards to how things are done here, and probably part of the reason you don't understand OR very well. Start with a source, and base your writing around that. Sergecross73 msg me 10:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
I guess I was having trouble explaining myself. I don't mind being told it can't go in an article. What I was discussing is how my actual statement was wrong. Besides, if I see something in the game, and I look sources to prove it, then how us it backwords. I am finding cites to effectively support my "psuedo-OR" (since true OR cannot be backed up). I like to determine the details of storylines in videogames, hence I right about them. Besides, what is wrong with being backwards in my methods? In the end I get the same result: acceptable or unacceptable (as long as I determine what requires research{cause articles might not cover everything in their cites})
TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 04:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- I feel like it'd be easier for you to avoid OR if you start with sources. Then you'd be more likely to stick to the useable information in the source, and less likely to veer off into your own personal observations. Anyways, I'm tired of debating this with you. If you've got specific questions, feel free to post them at my talk page, and either I, or one of my buddies who watch my talk page, can help. Sergecross73 msg me 22:55, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Would it help to post a question as to wether the article already supports it before I go hunting for cites uselessly? Is that allowed? Also, how do people usually write articles? They have to have something to go on when editing, right?
TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 23:25, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- The first thing I do when I create a new article, is pull up 4 or 5 sources that I'm certain are considered reliable sources. WP:VG/RS has a large list of ones that are always useable, or useable in certain scenarios. Then, I write the article, making sure that virtually everything I say, is also said somewhere/somehow in a source. Additionally, I always pretend like I'm explaining the game to a family/friend/co-worker who knows nothing about video games. That's the best way to make sure you're not getting into WP:TRIVIA/WP:GAMECRUFT territory. Pretend you're explaining the game to your Dad, who hardly knows what a "Nintendo" is. If you think he'd be confused about it, or his eyes would glaze over in boredom, then it's probably a sign that its not meant for general audiences, and doesn't belong in the article... Sergecross73 msg me 23:37, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
device band
Why did you remove me saying that they won a award at golden gods Wikiguy303952 (talk) 05:40, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- Not only did your edit lack a reliable source backing up what you say, or any sort of context as far as what that's supposed to mean, but it was extremely sloppy. You didn't even bother to capitalize anything or put a period at the end of your "sentence". Sergecross73 msg me 05:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Here is a source http://www.metalinjection.net/show-recap/revolver-golden-gods-awards-2013-winners-and-performance-highlights and sloppiness can be fixed by you or others that's not reason to delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiguy303952 (talk • contribs) 06:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- Well, you didn't leave a source, so again, I had no idea what the context was, or if that was even a notable award. So it was difficult to clean up. Also, in my experience, if someone doesn't even bother to write a full sentence, frequently its vandalism or not important. Its one thing to not be familiar with Misplaced Pages's ways and whatnot, sure, that takes time, but its really up to you to clean up your writing, if you want to actively contribute and have people take your edits seriously... Sergecross73 msg me 15:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Xbox One
Hi could you add confirm edit which means an user who edits the page and then the edit goes under pending and an administrator will ether accept it or revert it if you can add that please remove the protection on Xbox One 86.168.53.89 (talk) 18:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- With the level of vandalism right now (literally every time I refreshed there was a new hoax game listed) right now it definitely needs protection. Sergecross73 msg me 18:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- ok but are you allow to add the confirm edit thing which you save the page and is saved under pending and an administrator ether approves it or reverts 86.168.53.89 (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- If you mean edit requests, then yes, that should still be possible. (Read more about them here.) Sergecross73 msg me 18:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- He means Pending Changes; however, that's rarely a good idea on high traffic pages. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 21:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- If you mean edit requests, then yes, that should still be possible. (Read more about them here.) Sergecross73 msg me 18:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- ok but are you allow to add the confirm edit thing which you save the page and is saved under pending and an administrator ether approves it or reverts 86.168.53.89 (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, Thomas is now done.
But Woodroar simply misunderstood my question. If you don't mind, please don't moderate unless asked. I mean no offense, its just that there were no issues.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 02:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- Im an Admin. It's what I do.
- Thomas had asked. Literally.
Now please, stop the excessive arguing. Sergecross73 msg me 03:23, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
1. I only argured with Thomas; we but heads I guess. I will stay away from him. 2. I was saying there was no issues with Woodroar; dont assume based one discussion. 3. Read the old conversation relating to him asking you.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 04:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Wii U
Not sure I messed that up, but thanks for the revert. Tyros1972 Talk 14:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- No problem. It happens to everyone occasionally. Sergecross73 msg me 14:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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