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Persistent Pumpkin

	Some es teler for you!
	I missed the recent turn of events, but I must say I'm shocked at how quickly you got shafted. Have some es teler; I can't give you anything alcoholic, but the name is synonymous with "high" (it's somewhat more delicious than it looks).  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:28, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not shocked. Read my comments in my archive I just made and you'll understand. PumpkinSky talk 01:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Found there: "I don't really know Doc James, so I am going to assume good faith, and that he just had a bad day for judgement." Dennis (and everybody interested), I certainly don't know him, but you can start with his contributions to the Pumpkinkin RfA (link on the bottom of my user, easy to find, there's a red link right next to it). He simply signed "Doc" then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

ps: if we really need to go back to 2011, respect, quote "we should know each other enough by now" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that is the same Doc, although that did lead me to another use of "Pompous ass" (by an admin and friend) that didn't lead to a block. For that matter, sometimes I'm a pompous ass. Dennis Brown / 2¢ / © / @ 10:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry that I got the Docs confused, same is true for the other, that I don't really know him but this, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I had completely forgotten that I spoke out there but only on the methods, not the merits. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 13:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

• I guess I shouldn't be shocked either, come to think of it. *sigh* — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

If there's one thing I've noticed as a constant about this project, it's how quickly we're willing to throw people under the bus. Sorry it was you on this occasion. Prioryman (talk) 06:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I am used to such things now and expect them. Once you've been forced to wear The Scarlet Letter on wiki, you can never get rid of it. PumpkinSky talk 11:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I am more inclined to think of the French Revolution (the Reign of Terror) than The Scarlet Letter when I observe this kind of behavior at Misplaced Pages. --Orlady (talk) 14:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I've been meaning to drop you a note to thank you for your good work quickly progressing approved DYK nominations, and this seems a very apt time to do so. Thanks! Nick-D (talk) 10:29, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you everyone! PumpkinSky talk 11:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Tiny Request

Hello PumpkinSky,

I now have more than 25 DYK? nominations. As you told me a couple of days ago, you are willing to give me the appropriate Misplaced Pages Barnstar Award for this (I think there is one for 25 DYK? nominations) once I have enough DYK? nominations, and I now have enough of them. Thus, are you able to please give me that Misplaced Pages Barnstar Award whenever you are able to? Thank you very much. Also, since you currently have 98 DYK? nominations (including those that are still "in process"), did anyone ever give you a Misplaced Pages Barnstar Award for having 50 DYK? nominations? If not, I can give you one of these awards. Anyway, have a good day and take care. Futurist110 (talk) 23:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I have the 50 award. Do you have anything like this: User:PumpkinSky/Articles#DYK_stats. We're supposed to link to proof for these awards. PumpkinSky talk 00:13, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I created a page right now which has all of my previous DYK? nominations. This page is located here: User:Futurist110/DYK. I seriously hope that this is enough proof for you for me to receive this Misplaced Pages Barnstar Award. Also, I'm glad that you already have that 50 award. Futurist110 (talk) 01:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I have now moved this award to my (front) user page. Also, please let me know one you hit 100 or more DYK? nominations so that I can give you the appropriate award for it. Futurist110 (talk) 01:36, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and I added a little message for my award. I hope that you won't mind. Futurist110 (talk) 01:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

You were so eager I couldn't finish the award ;-) but I finally got it on your talk page. Move/whatever as you like. I also put the DYK notices back on your talk page so your history stays intact. I have the DYKs in my archives and in the page I showed you. This is where the awards list is: Misplaced Pages:List of Wikipedians by number of DYKs PumpkinSky talk 01:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks again for my award, and I'm sorry for being so eager, but it's just that I worked extremely hard to earn this award. Thank you very much for giving me that link to the DYK? awards. It feels extremely nice when one's work on Misplaced Pages is noticed and appreciated. This is why, for instance, I was so eager to get this award and to get a separate Misplaced Pages Barnstar award for my Grover Cleveland Presidential campaign, 1892 Misplaced Pages article. Futurist110 (talk) 02:15, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

No worries, all understandable. PumpkinSky talk 09:50, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Daniel Vineyards

On 18 June 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Daniel Vineyards, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that West Virginia's Daniel Vineyards' best selling style of wine is made from blackberries, not the normal grapes? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Daniel Vineyards. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:04, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Franz Kafka

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Franz Kafka (1883–1924) was a German-language writer of novels and short stories, and is regarded as one of the most influential authors of the 20th century. His works, such as "Die Verwandlung" ("The Metamorphosis"), Der Process (The Trial), and Das Schloss (The Castle), are filled with themes and archetypes of alienation, brutality, parent–child conflict, and mystical transformations. Kafka was born into a middle-class Jewish family in Prague, then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He trained as a lawyer and worked for an insurance company, writing in his spare time – he complained all his life about his lack of time to write. Kafka wrote hundreds of letters to family and close female friends, including his fiancée Felice Bauer. Only a few of Kafka's stories appeared during his lifetime in story collections and literary magazines. His novels and other unfinished works were published posthumously, mostly by his friend Max Brod, who ignored his wish to have the manuscripts destroyed. Albert Camus and Jean-Paul Sartre are among the writers influenced by Kafka's work; the term Kafkaesque has entered the English language to describe surreal situations like those in his writing. (Full article...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Waaay ahead of you! PumpkinSky talk 23:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Pic license

Ezra Meeker pics in de, how is the licensing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm no expert on DE copyright law, but as the two pics there are pre 1923 I don't foresee a problem. PumpkinSky talk 22:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, - a question on Schon gewusst, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

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Bridge thanks

Thanks for your kind words and thanks again for nominating it for the Main Page. Ruhrfisch _><>° 20:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Glad to help!PumpkinSky talk 20:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Honor Code

Hallo PumpkinSky, I have developed a sort of honor code for Wikipedians, based on the Toastmasters promise and the first members have joined the order. I understood from Gerda you speak some german and she thought you would be willing to join ;). The order is called the "Pfarrerstochter" (The parsons daughter) with some allegations to a 19th century informal german fraternity stammtisch and to Theodore Hook. I think a honor code combined with a sort of ribbon ar bable which is carried by authors willing to work accordingly would be helpful for WP. I wouldlike to have your feedback on that. And as said, if you want to join, youre heartily invited.

• de:Pfarrerstochter (Erlangen)
• de:Misplaced Pages:Mediationstipps
• de:Benutzer:Serten/Unter uns Pfarrerstöchtern

Serten (talk) 13:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

RfAR

If you plan on doing an RfC after the request is archived, please let me know as I will have some comments to add to it. I may also be able to co-certify it since I presented evidence in the most recent Transcendental Meditation case if you need it. Cla68 (talk) 23:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I probably won't be filing one but someone probably will. PumpkinSky talk 00:38, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Quote from AN/I

The United Nations can solve things quicker and easier than wiki can, and that's scary." And the most frightening part of all? That's not an exaggeration — it's the actual truth. The United Nations is more effective at solving problems than Misplaced Pages. At first I found your post amusing, but now it just depresses me. You are 100% correct on every point. Kurtis 00:41, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and yes, that's sad but true.PumpkinSky talk 00:57, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

We're worse than an organization that can't prevent a genocide, a dirty war, the Cold War, a massacre, the Arab-Israeli conflict, etc. It's a good thing we don't run the planet! Kurtis 09:43, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Amen Brother Kurtis! PumpkinSky talk 09:52, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration regarding Jmh694

Hi PumpkinSky, this is a courtesy notice to inform you that a request for arbitration, which you submitted, has been declined to be heard by the Arbitration Committtee. The Arbitrators generally felt that this was not yet ready to be heard by the Committee, and other steps in the dispute resolution process (such as an RFC/U) should be utilised, please feel free to view the Arbitrators' comments for further advice. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:01, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

This issue will be back there one day. too bed all this time was wasted and there'll be more innocent victims. PumpkinSky talk 09:53, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) comment. I'll admit that I think there was a "fail" on the part of Arbcom here. Not just in the lack of consistency as far as strictness (and admittedly I tend to favor a more lenient approach - but understand the need for "tough love" in the sense of these are the rules, and they are the same for everyone). My "fail" comment however is pointed at a missed opportunity. I appreciate that one of the Arbs (Worm ?) is willing to revisit if it happens again .. but basically all the community got was individual thoughts from a few arbs. There was the opportunity here for AC to make a statement (either by motion or at AC/N) about what is and is not acceptable. Instead all we got were a couple of "yea, I can see that there might be a problem with some of this" - very weak in respect to some of the past committee efforts. I know times have changed; still as much as I like "lenient" I think there's a lot to be said about the old days when parental units set down rules, and there were ramifications for not following them. So the lack of consistency here I think actually hurts in some ways. I would have been much more comfortable with some sort of "DJ is admonished" (or reminded, whatever terminology they're using these days.) In a sense AC has turned a blind eye here, which opens up a whole can of "it's ok for admins to violate policy as long as they say I'm sorry and promise to be more careful" worms. I'd think it would be doubly hard as a former arb, cause I can see a good case for "Shit, I wish I'd have known we could do this, cause I wouldn't have supported smacking ... idk ... "TimidGuy" or "Law/the_undertow" .. or whatever cases you sat in on PS. Don't get me wrong - I do respect the office of Arbcom, and I do respect the individuals who serve on it - but the lack of even some sort of statement I think is a very bad precedent to set. On the plus side, as much as Doc has erred - after talking to him, I do have to admit that he is a very likable person. And perhaps much of his unblock of Fladrif, and/or block of you were only a sub-conscious retaliatory or buddy actions. So if there's any enjoyment or satisfaction to be had for me personally here .. I've got to dip deep into the AGF well once more. But I do very much suspect that if not Doc, this will indeed be revisited by some other admin. who thinks that "hey, AC left the door open here - I may as well take advantage of it." Not always a good thing when folks get handed a blank check so to speak. Thanks for the tl;dr space on your talk PS. And best to you in moving forward. May all your edits be happy ones. — Ched :  ?  10:44, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

• Sorry you wasted so much time, PS. Ched, I agree with you that AC turned a blind eye here and set a very bad precedent. Well said. Me, I wouldn't have put in all those nice extenuating remarks, but I guess that's mainly a difference of temperament: it's temperamentally natural for you (and not for me) to be nice. However… it troubles me, really, that you'd speak of the unblock of Fladrif + the block of PumpkinSky as perhaps "only sub-conscious retaliatory or buddy actions". "Only"? That's too extenuating. I think retaliatory and buddy actions are pretty much the worst actions an admin can do. They can really hurt people — as in, they hurt any non-buddies affected — and can often be peculiarly difficult to defend against. If an admin favors his mates, and goes after people he has a grudge against, and does these things "subconsciously" (as is no doubt usually the case), then the person isn't IMO self-aware enough to be a good fit for adminship, however sweet and likable they may be in other ways. We all see our own motives through rose-tinted glasses, no doubt (read this book and you'll never look at yourself in the same way again), but we really, really, need to strive to scrutinise our own motives, if this adminship lark is going to be any good at all. (Disclosure: I renounced my adminship in 2012 in anger at buddy actions by an admin who shall remain nameless here, but he simply made me not want to be in the same club any more.) Bishonen | talk 15:09, 27 June 2013 (UTC).

• The outcome wasn't really a surprise. There has to be a showing that the community has tried but failed to effect a change before they will hear cases like this. As a whole, it is better that Arb is reluctant rather than eager to accept cases with no prior dispute resolution. As I've said before, if they decline a case, they don't have the authority to impose a mentor or RFC/U. You can still file an RFC/U yourself. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 11:01, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh, there were attempts.PumpkinSky talk 12:05, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Arbs like to see an RFC/U, it gives them a clear path to accept a case. I'm not saying it is wrong or right, I'm just saying that is how it is. At some point, you accept the bureaucracy here and have to comply. Of course, you know more about this than I do, so my stating the obvious is probably of little value except to tell you what you already know. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 14:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

<placeholder for when I have more time to type out my thoughts - and yes, I have several of those pending at the moment}> link 1, link 2 — Ched :  ?  11:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Dennis, Bish, an Ched. I'll be posting a comment on this wiki travesty to every arb's talk page later today. PumpkinSky talk 18:05, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

My parting thoughts are at User_talk:SilkTork#Parting_thoughts_on_Jmh649_RFAR PumpkinSky talk 22:17, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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