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"Come, let us reason together."

Rather than edit war why not use the discussion page for its intended purpose, Roscelese and Commonwealthcitizen? Since Ros's more recent version of the article was so obviously hostile to the subject I reverted it back to Commonwealth's most recent version. However there are likely problems with that one too, though Ros's Lizzy Borden approach is not the best way to solve them. I'll help with this as I have time, but for now I'm signing off. Badmintonhist (talk) 06:46, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I've been trying to salvage what I could from CC's edits, but the material you restored is not among that salvage for a reason. CC's edit flat-out misrepresents sources in claiming that CPCs' provision of false medical information is simply an "accusation" by activists. It added heaps of inadequately sourced self-serving information that, at best, doesn't add anything to the article and at worse, attempts to "correct" reliably sourced information (eg. the claim that their medical information is reviewed by a physician seems to be CC's attempt to refute sourced material about false medical information). Other self-serving information is reliably sourced, but not related to Care Net specifically and cherry-picked from sources that are more balanced than their use in the article would suggest. Etc., etc. Do you actually have any defense of the material you restored, or is it simply a case of "Roscelese made an edit, must revert"? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:04, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Ummh . . . what does "Care Net provides clients they wish to persuade away from abortion services like a room with an employee . . . " mean? I can't figure out this one. Sorry, once again Roscelese has made a lot of changes without adequate discussion, so I am going to revert again. Please take proposed changes to TALK. Badmintonhist (talk) 17:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

That's rich - arguing that maintaining the article in the status-quo ante state is what needs discussion. I've both kept the article at the place where it was and justified my edit - you and CommonwealthCitizen have done neither. I'm not sure you understand how Misplaced Pages editing works - you don't get to insert content just because you feel like it one day, especially when it flagrantly violates policy in as many ways as CC's/yours did. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I've just made some relatively small changes to CC's earlier version. I suggest that editors relax, think small and incremental, and RESPECTFULLY seek approval of fellow editors on Talk page. Badmintonhist (talk) 18:01, 29 June 2013 (UTC) PS: The reason I originally reverted back to CC's earlier version is because it didn't seem as openly hostile to the subject of the article as did Roscelese's which used categorizations in Misplaced Pages's voice such as "false" and "myths" which wouldn't be encyclopedc in any case. Badmintonhist (talk) 18:01, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

If you have problems with individual words, it behooves you to change those words rather than to restore en-masse a host of policy violations. "False," however, is a word that you are unjustified in having a problem with; medicine isn't a matter of opinion. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

RIGHT! For example, no other bona fide medical doctors question the theories of the 20th century's most famous doctor Sigmund Freud. Badmintonhist (talk) 18:35, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Don't waste my time. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:43, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

On using CommonwealthCitizen's last edit as starting point

Though it is overly promotional and relies too much on information from Care Net's own website, CommonwealthCitizen's June 26 version of the article should be the starting point from which we seek consensus to make incremental changes. I'm inclined to discount any version thus far formulated by Roscelese. She has quite obviously begun this enterprise full of bile toward both the subject of the article and any editor she perceives as being friendly toward it. This attitude can be seen in these examples of her edit summaries: "Walking back POV edits . . . wow." "May take a look back to see if there's *anything* that can be retained from that "lie about sources."

As for the substance of her edits, Roscelese has routinely deleted any favorable sounding information or opinions about Care Net from reliable third party sources such as Time Magazine supposedly because this material applies to crisis pregnancy centers in general rather than Care Net (the largest national network of crisis pregnancy centers) specifically, however Roscelese's has had no problem including negative sounding information directed toward crisis pregnancy centers in general rather than Care Net specifically. When I first encountered the article in the state that Roscelese had left it the section titled "Activities" read as follows:

Care Net, like other CPC networks, provides clients with myths about the supposed health risks of abortion , and has been met with criticism for misleadingly advertising its centers in a similar fashion as abortion clinics . It also intentionally positions its centers near college campuses and medical facilities . Some Care Net affiliated clinics offer ultrasound .

The main source for the "myth" statement ("myth" being Roscelese's own construction) was a Washington Post article about staffers for Democratic Congressman Henry Waxman who contacted local crisis pregnancy centers posing as potential clients. They are the folks who characterize the information handed out by the CPC's as "false" (though the article's headline does characterize the info as "misleading"), so Roscelese is essentially using partisan staffers as a "reliable source" here. There seems to be no acceptable source at all for the "advertising its centers . . as abortion clinics" statement. the one source here that isn't a deadlink doesn't say this and if the link to NARAl/New York was active it would be an unacceptable source for factual information about Care Net. As for the "intentionally positions" statement, it would seem to be a Roscelese invention.

To sum up, as flawed as the CommonwealthCitizen version of the article may be, Roscelese's poisoning of the wells and poisoning of the article makes her versions unacceptable as points of departure. Badmintonhist (talk) 16:33, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

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