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Category: Author templates

Hi, Mirokado. See my recent revision of Category:Author templates.

First and FYI, this fixes a recent problem, breaking messagebox links when categories are renamed.

Second, I inserted See also: {{Infobox writer}} because this will benefit from some cross-reference. Does the messagebox mean that some (categories of) infobox should be displayed as subcategories of Category:Author templates?

--sorted as " " or "*" if i understand correctly.

For example? a hypothetical category whose members are analogous to Template:Infobox Discworld novel but defined by author rather than series? --P64 (talk) 19:48, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

It looks as if some other categories could be included as subcategories here. Not the sort of issue for snap judgements!

Sorting as " " is for the main article(s) corresponding to the category. Sorting by "*" is for articles listing category members and similar. There are a few other conventional key letters.

If an author has written (for example) a few individual books and several substantial series, there could be a category for the author containing the individual book articles and subcats of that for each series. If the author has only written a single series then I guess it should be one or the other.

It is, I think, generally OK to be bold with changes involving only a few pages, but redesigning category trees can involve changing hundreds of pages systematically. Firstly, this must be discussed thoroughly and formally in advance and secondly it is often possible to ask a bot to do systematic changes.

interjection I infer that's been done to replace some "templates" categories with "navigational boxes" categories.

The right place to discuss these matters is WP:CfD, which also has explanatory notes, although of course you can discuss ideas in advance elsewhere too. --Mirokado (talk) 23:27, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

At Author templates the message box suggests to me that some infobox categories should be somehow included.

> "If subcategories exist for other types of templates (e.g. infoboxes) that relate to this topic, they should appear at the start of the subcategories listing immediately below this messagebox."

What does that mean?

I won't actually change the tree myself, but re-cat specific author templates from template categories Books or Book series to Authors. For example, {{Works by Anne McCaffrey}}. If there were a navbox rather than category Dragonriders of Pern, that would properly be a Book series template. --P64 (talk) 14:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Refs or Notes nested in s or {efn}s

Hi, Mirokado. Happy New Year.

Visit List of winners of the National Book Award#Notes and you may instantly grasp what I have tried to do using {notelist}, {reflist}, and so on. Notes a–j all display the intended superscripts for their source Refs 3, 4, 22.

Clicking and hovering on those superscripts works as intended for 22 only, evidently because that one is not used in the article body, only in the Notes section. Evidently for the same reason, Ref 22 links back to its "calls"(?) in Notes.

Superscripts 3 and 4, although displayed in the Notes, do not function there, evidently because they are used in the article body. Refs 3 and 4 link back to their "calls" in the article body.

Ref 22 is not called prior to the Notes section --not used except as nested in {efn}-- only as a test, from which I have learned something but not enough to go further. I have also learned something, but not enough, from the template {{efn}}, {{notelist}}, and {{reflist}} documentation. At that point I chose to insert {{underconstruction}}, save the page, and write to you!

--P64 (talk) 20:41, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

At User talk: Green Cardamom I have notified the other frequent maintainer of U.S. National Book Awards pages.

I imagine another approach that works so long as all of the hoped-for nested notes or refs concern Split awards. That is to use within sections 1–8 handmade superscript links to section 9, Split awards, and use ordinary {efn}s and s in that section, with a single {notelist} in section 10, Notes, that does not include and refs.

I know your nesting full citations for Dragonholder and other sources within the Anne McCaffrey#References, but I don't readily see how that technique may work here.

--P64 (talk) 21:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Precious

Denmark and Disability
Thank you for quality articles in teamwork, such as Hoover Dam, articles for project Denmark, such as Anne Marie Carl-Nielsen, and for Portal:Disability, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:55, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this jewel, Gerda. It is a tremendous encouragement to receive a careful (positive!) peer review out of the blue! Mirokado (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Festival of Passim

Actually, I used to think it was an obscure Jewish holiday. EEng (talk) 03:58, 18 June 2013 (UTC) Just kidding.

At last I get to say LOL on Misplaced Pages! --Mirokado (talk) 05:30, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

You should be ashamed of yourself for laughing at others' religion. EEng (talk) 09:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Arrr, I'm afraid I find sources of amusement passim. --Mirokado (talk) 17:45, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Listen, thanks for doing so much gruntwork on the Gage cites, notes, etc. A favor, though -- when you do this can you also do this ? I think you see why. EEng (talk) 15:34, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes indeed. That is exactly the sort of response I was hoping for. --Mirokado (talk) 15:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Article ownership

Mirokado, can you get the lead out? You don't own the article, you know. You think we can all wait around while you fix references and citations and stuff like that? There's edit warring to be waged! EEng (talk) 23:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I really must get my priorities sorted out. --Mirokado (talk) 00:35, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

..............

Could use your thoughts at Talk:Phineas Gage#Citations. EEng (talk) 04:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I got distracted for a while, will comment this evening. --Mirokado (talk) 07:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

..............

I'm wondering if you want to work on formatting/cites/technical stuff only (and fine if that's true -- this has been really helpful) or whether you'd like to engage on content as well. I'm kind of tired of being the only editor who actively engages the sources, and then gets accused of ownership! Just in case you missed it, I want to be sure you saw .

But back on formatting/technical, I wonder if you can watch for new postings I'll be making in various places on the Talk, and comment if you like, so we can put some of these issues to bed. EEng (talk) 13:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC) P.S. Here's another article where I've made extensive use of footnotes for ancillary info: John Harvard statue. Enjoy (I hope)!

ISIRTA

I won't rename any more of the pages until a decision has been made (I have only renamed five of the pages so far).

There is one problem - if it is decided to return to the previous names for the pages, there will be some difficulty doing this (because of the names having already been used). I apologize for any problems or inconvenience I may have caused by renaming the pages. Figaro (talk) 13:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Continued at User talk:Figaro#ISIRTA plays and Talk:I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again#Related article names etc. --Mirokado (talk) 15:04, 6 July 2013 (UTC)