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*In some controversial fields that "ugly, disruptive effect" is necessary; East Europe-related ones, for instance. I doubt dinosaur eggs falls within that category, however. — ] (]) 02:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC) *In some controversial fields that "ugly, disruptive effect" is necessary; East Europe-related ones, for instance. I doubt dinosaur eggs falls within that category, however. — ] (]) 02:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
:*I'll pull the nom from the prep area. We don't want an article with a copyedit template on it on the main page. ] (]) 02:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC) :*I'll pull the nom from the prep area. We don't want an article with a copyedit template on it on the main page. ] (]) 02:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

== Copyvio check (Earwig @ toolserver) on Priyanka Chopra filmography ==

Regarding the ], it is worth noting that Copyvio check (Earwig @ toolserver) is malfunctioning on this specific article. As noted on the ], this is a bug that affects select articles. Doesn't look like it will be resolved soon, so the only alternative seems to use Dup detector on the nom template and check each of the 85 citations individually. Unless someone else has a suggestion. ] (]) 11:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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This is where the Did you know section on the main page, its policies and the featured items can be discussed. Proposals for changing how Did You Know works were being discussed at Misplaced Pages:Did you know/2011 reform proposals.

Current lead hook: Angelina Jolie Trapdoor Spider

The hook was changed due to concerns that someone might mistake the pictured spider with the actual actress. I thought the issue was dealt with at the nomination page by adding the definite article. To be completely honest, I believe the chances of confusing Jolie with a venomous, ambush-hunting arthropod are rather slim. Since the wording made the hook much "hookier", I suggest changing it back. Surtsicna (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

My inclination would be to leave it as it has been altered now. It might not be as snappy, which is unfortunate, but it removes any ambiguity and reads a lot easier. Harrias 20:13, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I've proposed a compromise/improvement at Misplaced Pages:Main Page/Errors#Errors in the current or next Did you know.... How do you feel about it, Harrias? Surtsicna (talk) 20:41, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Feel? I'm sure I speak for everyone here at Arachnophobe Central that we were delighted to see the thumbnail. Many thanks! Ericoides (talk) 18:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Image reappearing condition at main page

Is there any condition that an image can not appear more than once in main page? Reference: File:Swami Vivekananda-1893-09-signed.jpg which has been nominated in another recent DYK. --Tito☸Dutta 01:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

  • The image appeared on 12 Jan (2013)'s main page. I have nominated it for 4 July's main page. Vivekananda was born on 12 July (1863) and died on 4 July (1902). Is it okay? Or I can add the color image which could not be forwarded last time for your deletion nomination --Tito☸Dutta 01:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I agree that six months should be enough time, so there shouldn't be an issue. If there is another suitable image, we should favour the alternative, but if there is only one, then go with it; there's no guarantee it will be chosen as the lead hook anyway. Harrias 13:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I think the colored version would be preferable in this case, since the signed black-and-white version ran only six months ago. Of course, the colored version would need to be used in the article in order to be used with the promoted hook, since images must appear in the nominated article. I'm one of those Crisco alluded to: I think six months is too soon between identical images (better at least a year), but the color makes enough of a difference that six months is sufficient here. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Article featured without DYK bot message/credit?

I saw that my article Gabriela Rivadeneira (Template) was promoted to a prep area this morning and just found out that it probably has already featured on the Main page. But I don't see any DYK Bot message on the article's or my Talk page. Does anyone know what happened? Thanks, Crispulop (talk) 19:35, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

It looks to me like the hook was added to the prep area, but the DYKmake template, which tells the bot to give proper credit for the hook, was not also added with it. The prep was promoted to the next available queue, and the bot picked it up from that queue shortly thereafter. Can an admin who knows how to fix this make sure the proper credit is given? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 Done. No admin took care of it, so I did. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:06, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Mandarax! Crispulop (talk) 07:42, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK is almost overdue

In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:

  1. Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
  2. Once completed edit queue #2 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
  3. Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page

Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 14:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay - have moved the one prep area full to a queue - all prep areas empty and I have to run. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Hook: Foreign rebel fighters in the Syrian civil war

Hook Foreign rebel fighters in the Syrian civil war should be pulled from Queue 3. It is still a work in progress. Rule R7 of the Supplementary rules: 'There is a reasonable expectation that an article—even a short one—that is to appear on the front page should appear to be complete and not some sort of work in progress. Therefore, articles which include unexpanded headers are likely to be rejected' This article still has an unexpanded header and has seen extensive editing the last days (being related to current events). My opinion is that the article still needs much more information on especially the Arab nations. The article also still has bare URL's (D3). Crispulop (talk) 21:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I fixed the superficial issues you mention. There's one issue with a link still, but it seems to be a result of the spam blacklist and I'm not able to fix it (well, technically I am, but I've never messed with Mediawiki pages or the spam whitelist and I'm not about to start now). If this reference is a problem, I would be fine with the section being deleted entirely until a better reference can be found, and still have the article run on the front page. Heavily edited is not the same thing as incomplete or subject to edit-warring in my opinion. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm not trying to say that there is edit-warring. Just that this article needs more expansion before being able to call it 'complete'. Crispulop (talk) 22:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Is it rare for a DYK article to be complete with a 1,500 character minimum. SL93 (talk) 23:05, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. But it also depends on the article per the London-Croughton idea. It's just my personal idea that this article needs more substantial coverage before going front page as a substantial amount of viewers will probably have knowledge of this article content. No need to agree ofcourse. Crispulop (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers

There are only 10 of 154 nominations approved, not even enough to get us halfway through July 4 (and it's already July 3). There are always plenty of older hooks that need attention, as witness those listed below. Thank you for your continuing assistance.

Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 02:10, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Kafka

A hook on Kafka's works is the quirky in prep 1. Is there any chance to get it in a queue (4 or 5)? It's his birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:26, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Reviewing backlogged nominations

I would like to review some of the backlogged nominations for DYK but they seem to violate the five day rule. For instance, today is July 3 and there are nominations from June 3. I would think such nominations would fail the five day rule since it's been an entire month since the nomination.

Are we to consider five days from the time of creation / expansion until today? Or are we to consider five days from the time of creation / expansion until the nomination date? If the latter is the case, that should be clearly indicated on the rules page under Misplaced Pages:Did you know#Eligibility criteria and on the nominations page under Template talk:Did you know#Backlogged?. Thank you. CaseyPenk (talk) 18:27, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Did_you_know/Onepage#New_article_nominations For yet a different version. — Maile (talk) 19:13, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Ahh, that page addresses exactly what I'm talking about. It's weird that it addresses the topic in a subtlely different way from the main rules page (e.g. it talks about 80% new in addition to five-fold expansion). I'm concerned that changes may not always propagate to the onepage page. In any case, I'm wondering if that stipulation (at the time of nomination) does in fact apply. CaseyPenk (talk) 19:37, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately...

Prep 3 contains 2 hooks related to Swami Vivekananda (and both are my articles). Please do not remove the first hook (i.e. "To The Fourth of July"). OR, following WP:IAR you can keep both the hooks/move a to next queue, because tomorrow (4 July) is Vivekananda's death anniversary and this year is is being celebrated as 150th anniversary of Vivekananda. --Tito☸Dutta 22:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

  • Actually, you removed it from prep 1, where I had moved it after I saw that there were two Vivekananda hooks in the same prep 3 set, so there wouldn't be hooks in two sequential sets; you moved it to prep 2, where it would run on July 4 in India. Since it is the anniversary of his death, I can see that kind of exception being made. I do think it would be good to space out the promotion of other hooks currently under review when they are approved, however. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
  • That's what I get for writing in a hurry. Agree about runs of the Swami, since we have several more related to him and his disciples (although I note that we had Amir Hamzah on the MP twice yesterday, despite the boldlinked articles being written several days apart) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:37, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK is almost overdue

In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:

  1. Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
  2. Once completed edit queue #1 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
  3. Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page

Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 06:04, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Done. Harrias 06:58, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Queue 3 Queue 3

The last hook of Queue 3 has a double "that". MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. --Allen3  22:24, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Red flag

  • Thanks, OC—I hope someone's dealing with this. I took a quick look at prep 1, to find that many of the issues discussed a few weeks ago are still popping up: carpet linking (why link a common dictionary word such as "commissioner", especially when a more specific link is adjacent?) and the burying of the DYK link in the middle of a hook. I've reworded the "colonel" hook to reposition the DYK link at the start—it wasn't hard.

    But this one is unsuitable: "... that Peter Hofmann performed the part of Siegmund first at the Opernhaus Wuppertal, two years before repeating it in the centennial Ring in Bayreuth?" So what ... Am I missing something? Aside from the lack of point to the hook, why not widen the scope so that more visitors to the main page get the gist ... "sang the part". Can "Wagner" or "Wagner's" be slipped in? Tony (talk) 02:07, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

    Article: I'm unsure what this means: "The house reopened on 14 October 1956, as one of the first damaged theatres in Germany ...". Could have a number of meanings.

    "It was designed by the architect Carl Moritz (de) in a style drawing on neo-Baroque and Jugenstil. It was completed in 1907. In 1939 it was changed considerably."—What was changed considerably? The style? The building? I'm confused.

    "The opera is known for revivals of operas"—??

    "It houses mostly performances of operas"—not idiomatic English. I've pinged Gerda. This shouldn't go on the main page yet, I think. Tony (talk) 02:18, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

  • Answered in the nomination, with an ALT. Not mentioned there: he did not only sing the part, he acted it, and as he was trained in Decathlon, very convincing, see the film. (PS: The ping on my talk page lacked precision, no link, "bottom" not true any more, here hidden in other posts.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK is almost overdue

In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:

  1. Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
  2. Once completed edit queue #4 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
  3. Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page

Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 06:04, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I think I did it, can someone please check me as I've never done it before? Thanks, Keilana| 07:18, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Secondary link and DYKSTAT (or do readers understand which one is DYK article?)

Yesterday's DYK hook was ... that Swami Vivekananda (pictured) wrote To the Fourth of July on the celebration of United States' Independence and incidentally died on the same date four years later? Now, the main hook To the Fourth of July got 2669 views yesterday and the article Swami Vivekananda got 14000 views. The article gets around 5000 view everyday, so almost 9000 views came from the DYK. Now, a) will it be added in DYKSTAT? b) I have a long time doubt that a good number of readers don't understand where to click if there are multiple links in a hook. --Tito☸Dutta 08:14, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

  • I think, I have got an answer, people clicked on Swami Vivekananda because it was linked first in the sentence. I need to be careful from next DYK and link the DYK article at the beginning. --08:17, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I think that people will click on whatever link that they are the most interested in no matter where the link is positioned. SL93 (talk) 13:53, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

How is it undermining DYK when people will, no matter what, click on whatever they find interesting? Removing all other links doesn't matter because people still won't click on that link if they are not interested in it. SL93 (talk) 14:12, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

  • It would be much better, then, to put a random list of "interesting" links in the DYK section of the main page—if the main aim is to provide merely "interesting" links. I thought all of the effort that goes into creation, improvement, reviewing, and adminning here was the whole point. Tony (talk) 14:20, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
    • I'm not even sure what the main aim is even though I participate in it. It is said that DYK is to provide interesting sourced facts that are important to a wide audience as well as to promote new content. I think that most of the hooks promoted are boring and barely any of the articles/expanded content are even new because of the backlog. SL93 (talk) 14:27, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

This is a complete tempest in a teapot. Fourth of July was the lead hook and Swami Vivekananda was pictured, which doubtless helped drive views to the (linked) person being pictured. Also, because it was the 100th anniversary of Swami Vivekananda's death, and due to a special request, there were two different hooks about him during the 24 hours considered by the edit counter, both with secondary links to his article: one at 13:30 India time, and the Fourth of July one mentioned above, during the day in the U.S. I also doubt that the positioning in the first hook diverted a significant number of readers away from the Fourth of July article. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:08, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

  • After checking few more DYKs where DYK article was positioned second or third, I take back my comment. User:Crisco 1492 and User:BlueMoonset seem to be right, I forgot about Swami's death anniversary, it was featured in newspapers, news channels. So, a good number of traffic have come from there. --Tito☸Dutta 03:38, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

More reviews urgently needed

There is only four hours to go to the next update, there is no update ready and virtually no approved hooks left to select from at T:TDYK. We urgently need some more completed reviews, thanks! Gatoclass (talk) 13:13, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I just did three, you do recall there is a really decent article waiting in the wings Darkness Shines (talk) 13:43, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I have thrown an update together, so there is now 9 hours or so to the next update, but the number of approved hooks is still extremely small, so anyone who can lend a helping hand will be welcome. Gatoclass (talk) 14:43, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
I will see what I can do although I tend to not review articles about topics that I don't know much about. SL93 (talk) 14:56, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK is almost overdue

In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:

  1. Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
  2. Once completed edit queue #5 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
  3. Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page

Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 14:05, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK is almost overdue

In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:

  1. Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
  2. Once completed edit queue #6 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
  3. Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page

Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 22:05, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Choosing airplane photo

The airplane image in Prep 4 is not used in the article -- a problem that was flagged by the DYK reviewer. However, the article has a nice image of the airplane that later crashed. Either (1) the image from the article needs to be swapped into the hook (changing "exampled pictured" to something like "pictured before crash") or (2) the image that used in the hook needs to be added to the article as a second image.

I almost swapped the image from the article into the hook, but held back because I suspect there might have been a reason for choosing the other image. I can't tell from the DYK review history. --Orlady (talk) 04:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Orlady, it's my error: I didn't see that the image was flagged despite the bold NO in the sentence. (Is there a reason we don't delete known-problematic images from DYK templates during the review so, like struck out hooks, they aren't used in error?) The image in flight is nicer to look at, but I don't see any reason why the image from the article couldn't be swapped in; it's decent enough. I don't see the point of adding an image of a different plane of that model to the article just for the sake of a DYK when we have the actual aircraft involved already in the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:08, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Follow-up: I have replaced the image with the one from the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Striking hooks is a relatively recent thing over the last few years. But of course essential. We should boldly delete non-acceptable images with just as much eagerness. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 05:33, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
It's even better when reviewers can help make an unacceptable image hook into an acceptable one. ;-) Thanks to BlueMoonset for addressing this -- after my bedtime. --Orlady (talk) 14:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK is almost overdue

In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:

  1. Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
  2. Once completed edit queue #1 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
  3. Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page

Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 06:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK link first: it's really not hard

Prep area 2:

... that the 1931 recreational vehicle (pictured) that Paramount used to bribe Mae West into making more movies is on display in the RV/MH Hall of Fame?

->

... that the RV/MH Hall of Fame houses the 1931 recreational vehicle (pictured) that Paramount used to bribe Mae West into making more movies?

Tony (talk) 09:51, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Queue 2 Keimer hook needs shortening

Can the phrase "it is considered the" be deleted from the Samuel Keimer hook (with Benjamin Franklin) that's fourth in this set? The qualifier is not in the article, and makes the hook duller than it needs to be. (Using "the printer" instead of "printer" is not typical of modern American English.) The resulting hook:

I'd appreciate it if an admin could fix this before it hits the main page in a couple of hours. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:21, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Crisis looming

We have two full prep areas - about 16 hours' worth - but only four approved hooks, which is not enough to assemble another prep area. QPQ reviews will not be enough; so the only source of hooks is the backlog of hooks marked "need another review". Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

There is no crisis: just slow down this cascade. If DYK hooks and articles have been reviewed properly and are of sufficient quality, we should have no problem in allowing people in every timezone the chance to view a shift. Tony (talk) 01:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
A lot can change in 16 hours. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:41, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't see how there is a crisis. Enough articles tend to get reviewed when time is close. I reviewed two of them myself and I am waiting on clarification if a source is reliable on another nomination. We would possibly have a crisis if there was around only a few hours or less until we needed enough articles. SL93 (talk) 03:09, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
We have 140 hooks total, and we've averaged under 19 new hooks a day for the last 14 completed days (through July 1): that's the average all nominated hooks, whether ultimately promoted or rejected. We're currently burning 21 promoted hooks a day. At some point, we're going to run out of hooks, even if the review rate increases, which I hope it does. Perhaps we should consider reducing the frequency to two sets a day if the newly nominated hooks don't spike upward. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Suggestions: Encourage editors to nominate other editors' articles. DYK is a peculiar process (before anyone starts bashing DYK, let me tell it is equally true for GA and other article valuation processes) the people who know and work in the process, their even most uninteresting article get promoted (of course they follow DYK criteria), but, sometimes some genuine good works are not featured which could be magnificent DYK hooks. So, taking initiatives to encourage others to nominate other editors' articles will be helpful. In WP:INNEW suggest to nominate articles at DYK from newly created article list. WiiProjects can be encourages to nominate articles at DYK. On the other hand, we need initiatives to encourage reviewers too. More nominations and more reviewers, we;ll not run out of "interesting" hooks.--Tito☸Dutta 03:47, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • There are seven approved hooks right now. I boldly reduced prep areas to six. You can revert if you want, but I'm not as active as I used to be... well, I should be off for a long while, so I hope I'll be fine for a month or so. --George Ho (talk) 04:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) SL93's suggestions is a good one. In AFC they have a template for inviting to Teahouse. We can add one to nominate articles at DYK. I don't like the suggestion of reducing number of shifts to two per day. It'll be unfair for those hundreds of articles which got hours slot at the main page. So, it should be keep as the very final option. --Tito☸Dutta 04:42, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Tito, it isn't a permanent change: depending on the flow of articles into DYK, we've done as few as two sets a day (every 12 hours) and as many as four (every 6 hours), and the number of hooks per set can vary, too. I've had hooks posted for six, eight, and twelve hours, depending on the then-current frequency, and there's nothing unfair about it, just normal variation. To declare it as the "very final option" would be a significant change indeed. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:10, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I would agree that a move to two sets a day would be the best interim move, and see how things settle from there. How would main page balance work if we had two sets of eight each day? Harrias 08:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • My 2p is that we have had precedence of previously lowering the number of hooks in a set when reviews have dried up but I don't think I recall us using 2 sets a day as an option. The point I'm making is that I think that if we go with what we know works in this situation (lowering the number of hooks in a set) then we can maximize the amount hooks that can be on the front page without draining DYK of it's reviewed hooks pool. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:40, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • We went from three sets a day to two sets a day as recently as six months ago, in December 2012, and then back to three sets when WikiCup 2013 started on New Years Day and new nominations started pouring in. And that's only the most recent occasion. (We do know that it works.) As I pointed out, we have precedents for two, three, and four sets a day, in additional to raising and lowering the number of hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:54, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

We currently have only 150 nominations total. IMO it's time we went to two updates a day for a while, until both the number of noms and approvals build up a bit. Gatoclass (talk) 12:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Hook wording needs improvement

I reviewed Prep 2 and decided that it's ready to be moved to the queue, except that I'm dismayed by the wording of one hook. Specifically, I am bothered that the hook "... that the theft of The Weeping Woman from the National Gallery of Victoria was the theft of the most expensive work purchased by an Australian art gallery and that the crime is still unsolved?" is essentially a run-on sentence, has much too long of a link to the article title, and repeats the word "theft". Maybe we can have some fast teamwork on rewording it. One idea I've had:

As the reviewer, I approve your suggested new wording. Do Hawkeye7 or Shirt58 need to weigh in here? — Maile (talk) 21:08, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm copying that wording into the prep area. It will go to the queue soon. --Orlady (talk) 21:35, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
No, that doesn't work. It says that the theft stole the painting, which doesn't make sense. How about: ... that in a still-unsolved crime, the most expensive work purchased by an Australian art gallery was stolen from the National Gallery of Victoria? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:43, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Good point. I edited the hook (now in Queue 6) to read "that the most expensive work purchased by an Australian art gallery was taken in a 1986 theft from the National Gallery of Victoria -- and the crime is still unsolved?" --Orlady (talk) 22:19, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Orlady, can the double hyphen in that hook please be converted to either a spaced en dash or an unspaced em dash? The hyphens are definitely incorrect, and need fixing before this hits the main page in a little over 80 25 minutes. Thanks! (Any other admin can take care of this too!) BlueMoonset (talk) 22:37, 7 July 2013 (UTC), revised at 23:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
It was replaced with a spaced extra-long em dash plus hyphen, which is always wrong. It should be a spaced en dash (my preference) or an unspaced em dash, with no hyphen at all. See WP:MDASH. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I've put in a request at Misplaced Pages:Main Page/Errors, and mentioned the spaced en dash only (to avoid confusion); I also gave an example of what it should look like. With luck, it will be fixed soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:17, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I've tried to fix the main page twice now, but I often find myself unable to insert the "right" kinds of dashes and quotation marks. --Orlady (talk) 01:35, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
That wording wouldn't work because this particular painting was the only thing they stole. Read the article; it was a very interesting theft. --Orlady (talk) 03:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Zillions of successive ref tags

Hi, just trawling through the multi-DYK hook "that paleontologists have discovered the fossilized eggs of cephalopods, fishes, and reptiles, with some dinosaur eggs (pictured) being preserved with pathological shell deformities?". Dinosaur eggs has every sentence tagged in the scientific sections—like a dozen 11s one after the other. Ref tags are retrospective, and if there's no particular reason to tag more than one sentence in a row with the same source, please let's spare readers the ugly, disruptive effect. I've left a note with the main author and a copy-edit tag on the article. Tony (talk) 02:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

  • In some controversial fields that "ugly, disruptive effect" is necessary; East Europe-related ones, for instance. I doubt dinosaur eggs falls within that category, however. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Copyvio check (Earwig @ toolserver) on Priyanka Chopra filmography

Regarding the Priyanka Chopra filmography, it is worth noting that Copyvio check (Earwig @ toolserver) is malfunctioning on this specific article. As noted on the Village Pump, this is a bug that affects select articles. Doesn't look like it will be resolved soon, so the only alternative seems to use Dup detector on the nom template and check each of the 85 citations individually. Unless someone else has a suggestion. — Maile (talk) 11:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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