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Service Award.

If you don't want me editing your user page, fine, but you do have the wrong service award. You only have enough edits to qualify for Journeyman Editor status. It's not like you'll be thrown in jail or anything for having the wrong service award, but it is bad form. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I am aloud to count edits from other projects too, not just this account. I have enough to qualify for this award and have it be fair to add. BlackDragon 18:55, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

"And I never messed with your page" - you have a short (or selective) memory: . See all those instances where I ask you to leave my talk page alone, and go to the Parkour page instead? And you ignore the requests? You can count those edits towards your service award if you want... Chaheel Riens (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Are you ignorant? Again, Stop with these sarcastic remarks. There not necessary. Your wrong because those arent your userpage. And if you forgot, let me remind you I Wasnt Talking About PARKOUR, and I Did. BlackDragon 22:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I asked you (multiple times) to stay off my talkpage and redirect your comments to another - more appropriate - area of Misplaced Pages. You refused to do so - multiple times. Ideally you should have taken the commentary to the Parkour page, as it concerned terms used in the article, however - if you believed the comments were not relevant to Parkour then you should have instead honoured my request to stop editing my talkpage, and stopped editing my talkpage.

Please read this article which clarifies what a user page is right here, and pay particular attention to this section with regard to editing when requested not to. Chaheel Riens (talk) 22:59, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Comment from me

See the The Daily Show 2013 06 18 because one Mick Foley is on it. Now, I don't know wrestling except from what I've seen channel surfing, but the crowd went nuts.

Anyway, about this thing I'm reading: Sure, a technically inaccurate service award is frowned on, but changing someone's user page is pretty serious stuff. A talk page and user page are two different things. The latter is kind of sacred ground.

Commenting on edits and not the editor is a must. Not only is it policy, it's a tactic. If things really blow up and people get blocked, that editor really scores big. And every single time, the smart editor who uses his brain and stays polite wins over the person who responds with insults. A sweet tactic. Why do you think lawyers get so rich? :)

Best plan is to stay off each other's pages unless it's politely about improving the encyclopedia. Would that be okay? I'm just writing to cool things down so please don't be mad at me. I'm pretty friendly too. Is everybody okay with this? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:02, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm fine with that. But just curious. What would you do if you saw an incorrect service award? Brambleclawx 01:42, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

And to both Black60dragon and Chaheel, let's all be civil please. Even if you feel someone's being sarcastic to you, there's no need to bite back. And I'm going to reiterate that Wikia edits aren't related to Wikimedia. So I would have to agree that if you count Wikia edits, then you could pretty much count anything. Brambleclawx 01:46, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not, I'm talking normal. Some people just never let go of the past. I was simply reminding him that I didn't edit his page. And on top of that, the post weren't about what he thinks they were. Both yeah I agree that if you cant comment nicely on someones page, then not to. Hateful remarks aren't necessary and shouldn't be posted. Only ones about improving pages to avoid "wars" and such. But I dont think wikia is that bad. It's a wiki and Its not like Facebook or anything. I've only counted edits on Wiki projects and it's not like I'm making a number up. I honestly did do that many across my projects. And even if I counted like Facebook or Twitter then I would have like, maybe 3 more? Something like that. But its still using the same format, which has made me a more experienced editor. BlackDragon 03:13, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Then there's no need to ask people if they're ignorant. And I didn't say Wikia was bad. I only pointed out that it's not a Wikimedia Foundation project, so strictly, it doesn't match the description listed on the Service Award page. I don't doubt it has made you more experienced. But the Service Awards are just something pretty; they are not intended to display experience, i.e., time+edit count≠experience; experience is shown through one's actions. Brambleclawx 03:42, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh and thanks for letting me no about Foley. I hadn't seen that. BlackDragon 03:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Im just curious. As he seems to be. Not letting go of the past. But im through talking to him. Yeah I know that it doesnt show experience. My edits are very full. I mean I could just spam 10,000 more edits, but I dont want to. Its meant to show edits made and so forth. I like how it looks and I have made the all around edits for it. Experience is shown in my quality of pages I have created and my page. I pretty much counted edits using wiki format as they are almost exactly the same. BlackDragon 03:49, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I also don't like being strict so... BlackDragon 03:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

It looks like relationships are on the mend here, and that's good. You guys could actually make quite a force if you collaborated on things. Some of the best friendships start out this way.

I was asked "...What would you do if you saw an incorrect service award?...". Well, I've seen them here and there. I would take no action. They're not so serious anyhow. I wouldn't personally add an incorrect one to my page because what's gained by showing the community wikia edits is lost and then some because of how the community would view it. So, I'd ask what the net effect is. Besides, time/quantity thing isn't big. It's quality, and I'm seeing plenty of that. That's what gets respect.

Oh, and this talk page is centered for some reason. That's a first. :) It makes indenting impossible and so messes with the flow of threads. Just letting you know. Best wishes to all, and if you ever need anything just drop me a line. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Exactly my works are very quality so its no big deal honestly. But I actually didnt realize that. Only the Header is supposed to be centered. BlackDragon 15:00, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

There, thats better. Thanks for letting me know. BlackDragon 15:02, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Cheers. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

A couple notes on further improving the quality of your edits then: I'm not sure if you only do this on talk pages, but please note that "its" is the possessive of "it", whereas "it's" is a contraction of "it is". Likewise, "your" is the possessive of you, while "you're" is a contraction of "you are". Also note the differences between "they're", "their", and "there". Also, when warning users, even disruptive ones, such as User:Lar409, please refrain from stating that they "will" be blocked. Misplaced Pages:WikiProject user warnings/Design guidelines#Language suggests sticking to "may". I would also advise staying away from warning users of bans, or speculating on block/ban durations. Brambleclawx 03:44, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, only on talk page. I dont put nearly as much thought into it, because well it doesnt make a difference really. I know the difference quite well too (see what I did there). But the policy states that if you continually vandalize a page after your final warning, then you will be banned. Longer if its the same reason as the first. If he doesnt want to be banned longer, then he wont do it again. Why cant I warn users? You should warn them first, though I think like 9 warnings is enough. I wasnt the only one though. But yeah I know the difference and use the right homophones in articles I create. BlackDragon 04:55, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

You can warn them. But there's no need to use threatening language. Even though the policy says this, since you're not the admin deciding whether or not the user actually merits a ban or block, you should maintain only the hypothetical "may", not the certainty of "will". Brambleclawx 05:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I dont see where I used threatening language. If you continue after your final warning, its a ban. If you check his page again, you would see that I wasnt the only one that said he will be banned. By saying he could be blocked much longer, or permanently, it makes them less likely to do it. BlackDragon 15:33, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Bans are community actions. It is very unlikely that the community will ban a user for a single incident; it typically takes a history of abusive editing and multiple blocks to result in a ban. However, a user is likely to get blocked by an administrator if they keep making the same inappropriate edit. It's not a guarantee, though, so that's why it's better to say they may be blocked rather than they will be blocked. The big issue is wiggle room: Will puts down a red line, and if they don't get blocked after crossing it, the warnings lose credibility. May gives the administrator room to try one last bit of discussion. Also, the level four templates such as {{uw-vandalism4}} use may. —C.Fred (talk) 17:01, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but it wasnt a single edit. It was many repetitive ones. Across "many" pages. It was the reason he was blocked last time. Its a guarantee if they make one after the final warning though, especially if they were blocked last time for the same reason. Again I wasnt the only one to say he will be blocked. But sometimes "putting your foot down" and saying they "will" makes them more likely to stop. I didnt use a template, just my own message. BlackDragon 17:16, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

There's a difference between a block and a ban. For example a blocked user cannot edit anything apart from their talkpage, whereas a banned user is prevented from editing certain parts of Misplaced Pages - but still has free reign everywhere else. There is nothing systematic to prevent them from editing the areas that they are banned from - ie they can if they wish to do so - however editors under a ban are often monitored quite closely, and contravening such restrictions will almost always result in an instant block.

Also, and I'm being as diplomatic as I can here, given Dragon & my previous interaction, but really, you ought to listen and take heed of what the other editors are saying. Whilst I agree that sometimes a foot needs to be put down, you must realise that you are unable to do such a foot down putting. You cannot ban, or block another editor, you cannot enforce such a restriction, ergo you cannot guarantee that a block will ensue - and if it doesn't, everybody looks foolish. If you feel so strongly about such editors, good on you - wiki needs action against vandalism, but instead of threatening editors with blocks and bans - do it right and warn them of potential consequences, and then report them to WP:AIV, WP:ANI or wherever is appropriate and let the mop holders deal with it.

Serge's edit here is an excellent example of how to bring up the subject with a disruptive editor not using templates - although I do note with amusement (given the conversation we're having) that he also states "If you do this again, you will be blocked" (my emphasis) Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I know the difference. Why do you think I dont... Man I feel like I'm getting a lecture. But seriously if you check the history of his bans, you will see that after every "warning" He continued to revert. But on the other hand, after my saying he absolutely will, He stopped doing it. I made my point to him and it worked. If I would of said might, he probably would be blocked by now. Exactly, that is also the point I made. He also said it. But it is guaranteed to get a block if you revert after the final warning, for the same reason as your first block. Am I right? But all in all, it worked and it hasn't been reverted since, so my work is done. BlackDragon 16:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Again, I'm trying to be polite, and yes, it probably does seem like a lecture, but I think you don't know the difference because in your very first paragraph there you say "But seriously if you check the history of his bans..." - he has not been banned, he's been blocked. You seem to be using the two terms as if they're interchangeable, but they're not - there is a difference.

I agree that the overall and combined effort was succesful, and that it's a relatively minor niggle, but if you wish to inform editors of the potential consequences of their actions (and again - I'm all for this, having dished out plenty of warnings myself), then please make sure you're doing it right.

Also, can you indent your posts by prefixing them with the suitable number of colons, ie "::::"? Thanks.

Honestly, at this point I'm just trying to help your understanding and contribution quailty in Misplaced Pages. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Uh Yeah I do and it is. Who cares about the first paragraph. If you take this subject into the real world, then they are interchangeable. Its just words. I do do it right. Just with that one I said "will" because of his past "ban" and the other guy stating the same. I dont need to indent if Im the one typing out because Its usually for replies and by now the page would be so far indented it wouldnt be very neat. But so your trying to "help" my quality by giving me an English lesson? My articles are very quality. If you dont believe me check Here... But honestly I think "you" need to check your "quailty" BlackDragon 17:17, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

The point is using correct terminology. Words are important on Misplaced Pages because different words mean different things. I believe the intended form of help here is meant to help you understand the difference between blocks and bans, as well as community-agreed guidelines on how said language ought to be applied. Yes, threatening someone with a ban or block will often produce the desired cessation of activity, but it's bad form because you are making assumptions on what administrators are going to do (you appear to be using inductive logic), when it is possible the administrator could interpret things differently and take a different course of action. Also, many editors, myself included, are against using threats and fear to "dictate" that vandals stop. The "civil" course of action is simply to inform them of potential consequences for continuing such behaviour, using language which is fairly formal/neutral (maintaining politeness is a nice thing to do), and let them learn for themselves that we don't tolerate this behaviour. There is no need to be aggressive and scare them into submission. It might seem like something that makes no difference, but it's the difference between scaring others into blind submission versus leaving the choice to them: they can either learn to follow the rules because they understand why they are there, or they can accept the consequences, for which they will have no one but themselves to blame because we simply inform them of potential consequences, and the decision to continue would then be theirs as opposed to being forced upon them. Brambleclawx 18:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay why am I getting a lecture? Schools over. I only said it in the beginning so it doesnt really matter. I never "Threatened" him into submission. I simply told him (As Others Have...) That if he does it again he will be blocked from editing, its that simple. The point is he hasnt vandalized the page again. Thats all there is to it. BlackDragon 18:08, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

"Okay why am I getting a lecture? " Because you're not really learning. Indenting is still important, even if you're replying. It shows the flow of a conversation. When an indent reaches a certain user-perceived level then you outdent like this:

And then start again. See Misplaced Pages:Indentation for guidelines on how to use indentation correctly.

"Who cares about the first paragraph. If you take this subject into the real world, then they are interchangeable." We're not in the real world - we're in Misplaced Pages, and while you could argue the point that on your own talkpage you can use the terms interchangeably - despite others understandings of them - as is your perogative, when trying to express Misplaced Pages policy you should do it right. Please understand this. At the very least understand that despite you personally not thinking your tone to be threatening that others might, and you should consider such things when posting warnings.

"Quailty"? Touche, but let's not tit for tat shall we? I had a look at some of your pages - your editing area doesn't really cross mine, apart from FFDP - I made a couple of minor changes to The Wrong Side of Heaven and the Righteous Side of Hell, Volume 1 but otherwise, well done - Nice work. Would you like me to proof read any of the others? Seriously, I don't mind. Sometimes when you work on a page significantly yourself you miss things - "Can't see the wood for the trees" syndrome. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:36, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah but honestly who cares about the flow. I just care about the message and so should you. Yeah but I live in the real world, not the internet. I did do it right. Why are you still bringing up the same instance. Why not the other times when I said might It was only him and only after blanking 3 separate pages like 10 times. Its not "Scaring them into not doing it".

I just thought it was funny, but Thanks. I try to make them as quality as possible. Yeah I dont mind. You can if you'd like. BlackDragon 00:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I care about the message, but also the way it is presented. And so should you. In all honesty, it's a bit of a concern that you're showing such flagrant disregard for the forms and conventions that Misplaced Pages resides by. No indentation, poor grammar, lack of acceptance of the correct terms and usage - and all this after these formalities have been pointed out to you several times. The only thing offsetting that is the fact that you've also created many fine articles. I don't understand your flat refusal to go the whole nine yards and get the rest of it right as well? It's almost as if you're doing a yin & yang thing by making good articles, but and then counterbalancing it by being less impressive in user space. Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Presentation is really part of the message. Like it or not, appearance counts for something and in messages it affects how people understand them and it affects how people judge them (and you).

Communication between two people relies on a shared understanding of language itself. If you're using a different set of language rules then you're making it harder for other people to understand you. A little change like indenting paragraphs doesn't make it a lot easier to understand, but it does make a difference for people who are used to it. If you've got something good to say then you want it to be as easy as possible for people to understand it.

If you're not prepared to do something easy like that indenting help people understand, people are going to make the assumption that you're not really interested in helping them understand and they will stop listening. They might not do it consciously, but they're going to notice that conversations are a little bit harder with you than with other people and that's only going make your conversations harder in the future. Feraess (talk) 15:17, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Only because your lecturing me about it. BlackDragon 17:58, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

OVERLINKing

I'm sorry that you have not seen the unlinking of instruments and vocals. It's been happening for months now. You'll notice that it's the case at the artist's page: Skillet (band)#Band members and other artist and album pages. Feel free to discuss at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Albums. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Sputnik Music

see Sputnik Music reviewer stratification.189.4.33.137 (talk) 02:11, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:WARRIORS discussion

Hello Renamed user d4f86fd465dfg1. I have started a discussion at the project talk page regarding a proposal for merging the individual book articles into list articles. You are invited to participate in this discussion, providing feedback and offering your own proposals so that we may reach a consensus decision on the course of action to be taken. Thank you, Brambleclawx 15:20, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Template

Hey Black60dragon

I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:43, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Destination X

Please stop removing the results from the Veags Impact Wrestling tapings from the Destination X article. As per WP:SPOILER, the results of those unaired matches can be included.

Basically WP:SPOILER means that if it happened, even though it hasn't yet aired, it can be acknowledged in the article.

Any more reverting to erase the results of the Vegas tapings (especially with references to verify them) will be looked at as a violation of WP:3RR and WP:EDIT WAR.

Vjmlhds (talk) 01:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Please stop. WP:SPOILER allows for all kinds of spoilers, regardless if it's a TV show, book, movies, wrestling, or whatever. There's no picking and choosing...if it can be backed up by a reference, it's all good. Also, Misplaced Pages has always gone by what happens in real time, not kayfabe time. As long as it can be referenced, results from matches that have happened (whether they have aired or not), can be included. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:50, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Looking more into the message you sent me, it really sounds like it's more of a case of sour grapes on your part, because the show got spoiled for you. I'm sorry about that, but Misplaced Pages is not and never will be a kayfabe site. Wiki policy (as per WP:SPOILER) has always been if it can be verified by a reference, it can be included. Misplaced Pages is not bound by the timeline world of WWE and TNA or any other wrestling organization. It goes by real world time. Vjmlhds talk 14:59, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Reliable sourcing for Pokémon

All content must be found in reliable sources. A bunch of fansites posting early scans/photographs of CoroCoro Comic pages do not count. The information was not officially revealed until today. None of the new Pokémon are on the Japanese website yet so do not lie to me.—Ryulong (琉竜) 00:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

The Pokémon are official. Stop reverting. CoroCoro is an official magazine. Pokémon unveiled on it are OFFICIAL. I don't appreciate your harsh tone and your accusing me of lying. When Pokémon are unveiled, by any means, as long as they are official then we can add them. Changing the number is not a big deal, don't make one. BlackDragon 01:54, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not saying that the Pokémon are not official. I'm saying none of the new Pokémon were officially announced until earlier today when I sent you the message on 00:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC). You changed the number 2 days ago. The Japanese website has only in the past 8 hours added the new Pokémon to it. You claimed they did it much earlier. CoroCoro leaks are not reliable sources. On Misplaced Pages, we wait for the actual issue of the magazine to come out before we post shit about it all over because fansites can never be trusted. I know you know all this crap because of Serebii but please, do not change that number in the future until the official websites post the information, which was definitely not the case with Pangoro et al until I sent you the first message.—Ryulong (琉竜) 08:07, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I think I need to ask you to either learn some respect or stop posting on my page. You obviously don't have any. Per WP:SPOILER We can add them. Please stop making a bigger deal out of this than it needs to be. I dont use Serebii. Stop accusing me of doing such. BlackDragon 16:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

None of those words are directed towards you so there is no lack of respect here. However, WP:SPOILER does not cover this issue. This has nothing to do with hiding spoilers. This is about keeping all information added to Misplaced Pages reliably sourced and verifiable. I am not removing spoilers by demanding that you wait until an official statement. It's because websites like Serebii, Pokebeach, or wherever you decided to find the information for the 6 new Pokemon revealed yesterday are not reliable sources for Misplaced Pages because they have no editorial control over their content other than internally. They will post the earliest possible fuzzy photographs someone took of a copy of CoroCoro Comic before it is available to the general public in Japan and expect to extrapolate everything from it. Everything added to Misplaced Pages must be reliably sourced. This is one of the website's most important rules. And I reverted the change from 20 to 26 because there were no reliable sources out there yet for Pangoro, Malamar, et al., up until approximately 24 hours ago, which was several hours before the Japanese websites, which you claim to have gotten the information from, were updated, and much much later than the initial change from 20 to 26. I also see your little project here.—Ryulong (琉竜) 16:21, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

As a kind gesture, I've moved the article because it refers to a numbering system that we do not know yet. Also, you are not using the proper Japanese language formatting employed on this project and it just seems you are using Bulbapedia's weird form that just presents the Latin name rather than the proper romanization scheme.—Ryulong (琉竜) 16:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh my god you even have the wrong Japanese name of Clauncher from Serebii. Are you from Bulbapedia or something?—Ryulong (琉竜) 16:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

The more I'm going through the article, the more I'm seeing that you just copied and pasted content from other websites and expected it to be perfectly fine. It isn't. You cannot copy and paste items from other websites because this is a copyright violation.' Bulbapedia, in particular, does not have the same copyright stuff as Misplaced Pages so we can't copy from them like they can copy from us. I will be watching this article very carefully as new information is revealed to make sure that you are not further violating other website's copyrights or instituting anything that does not resemble what is on this website.—Ryulong (琉竜) 16:56, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Again Do NOT post on my if you can be RESPECTFUL I am not copy and pasting. I am including the Pokedex entries and rewriting the rest. I did NOT use Serebii. and I AM NOT FROM BULBAGARDEN. Please refrain from commenting if you wont be respectful. The listings our by number, not game. If anything Generation. There will be over 700 and when it does the page will follow. That is the way the rest do and the way this one should. Its not my pet project. I dont Own the page. I simply made it. Im not the only one editing too. So leave the page alone. They are official. I dont see the problem. BlackDragon 17:51, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so you're not copying from fansites but the Pokédex entries. Posting the official Pokédex entries is still a copyright violation. Your text for Talonflame is much too close to text I've found elsewhere on the Internet. Namely, Serebii and various other websites. Please, do not restore the entries that appear to be copyight violations. Half of them appear to be exactly as its represented on the official website in some sort of "hey look at this cool thing text". It is not proper to list the Pokémon by number at this stage when there is absolutely no numerical system in place. It is better to use the order in which they have been revealed to the public which is the way I put them in. And, all Japanese text must follow the guidelines set forth at WP:MOS-JA which means you should not have "Talonflame (ファイアロー Fiarrow)" on articles because "Fiarrow" is not the Hepburn romanization.—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

And I am going to keep posting on your page until you realize the problems that the version you have been working on has. Namely copying large swaths of content directly (as far as I can tell), placing the content into an arbitrary order that has no basis in reality yet, titling the page in the numbering system which has not yet been determined because we have no numbers for any of the new creatures, and not following the proper style guides and instituting a form I have only seen in use on other fansites, including errors in reporting the names and using a romanization system not in use elsewhere on the project. I implore you to actually address my concerns rather than disregarding them because you don't think I'm giving you any respect just because I am finding egregious errors in the creation of the page that you refuse to allow me to fix because of this discussion. At least admit that you've copied the Japanese names from Serebii, because they are one of the few websites that at least I am aware of that have the wrong Japanese text for Clauncher and Spritzee's names.—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:30, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

And this has exactly the same information as your version of the page. They don't care about copyright violations. Misplaced Pages does. The only difference is that you put Fletchling and Talonflame before Pancham and Pangoro. If you restore your version of the page again, which obviously has copyright violations, I will report you to the administration.—Ryulong (琉竜) 19:19, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I didnt copy and paste, except for the entries. The rest is rewritten. Ill even rewrite it if need be. I listed them in order of unveil, pairing evolutions and legendaries at the end. As it usually is. Until the numbers are out, I feel this is the best way. The list order is by national number and not game. That is what you must realize. That would make it to long. But I will rewrite, but height, weight and so forth shouldnt make a difference all Pokemon have it. It shouldnt be excluded from the new one. You are being pretty rude though. Dont revert it and I will edit it later and rewrite it and try to add more sources and so forth. The page needs to be in the style of the rest though and not its own style. BlackDragon 19:42, 13 July 2013 (UTC).

Dont make it to long its hard to follow. BlackDragon 19:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

As you have stated that you find it hard to follow, I will rewrite my comment in the form of a bulleted list.

• Stop reverting to your preferred version. You have not yet rewritten it. The only thing different between your version and Serebii's is that you have the Pokémon's name first instead of their Pokedex entry like format. That is still a copyright violation.
• Your ordering is still arbitrary.
• Height and weight are not included on any other Pokemon entry. It was only added to the template within the last month or so by a single IP editor without any discussion.
• If you want to expand the entries, do so on the version I have made that does not have any of the copyright violations of your version. Please. Copyright violations can get Misplaced Pages in trouble.
• There is no national number yet so we should not say that the contents of the page reflect any known pokedex order.
• All Japanese text should be formatted according to the guideline at WP:MOS-JA. The formatting you use is similar to that of Bulbapedia where they do not use Hepburn for names that they have translated.

So please do not restore your version again. It has too many problems that stem from the fact you copied the entries from Serebii and do not deny this fact. Clauncher is not "Udebbou" in Japan and Serebii is the only website that's calling him that.—Ryulong (琉竜) 19:51, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Fine Ill individually rewrite. But I did NOT copy from Serebii. And I really dont appreciate being accused of such. Either way it should stay in the previous style. Listing in order of reveal (as you said), but pairing evolutions and having legendaries at the end. Fix the Japanese then, I dont know to much about it. BlackDragon 21:20, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I've already individually rewritten and based on Serebii's page it sure looks like your version comes from Serebii. And it should not be in the previous style. I've listed everything as it appears on the official Japanese website's order, aside from Xerneas and Yveltal being at the end of their section (they've separated starters and legendaries from the main group). Do not move anything else around. Your version of the page is not good.—Ryulong (琉竜) 21:35, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Also, all these sources? http://www.marriland.com/pokemon-xy/4808-the-new-pokemon-x-y-pokedex http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/other_pokemon/ http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon.shtml http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/e3-2013-pokemon-x-y-release-date-announced http://kotaku.com/everything-weve-learned-about-pokemon-x-y-at-e3-in-one-513012467 No good and unnecessary. Serebii is not a reliable source. Marriland is not a reliable source. Kotaku is not a reliable source. That IGN page doesn't say anything other than announce the June batch of Pokémon. Stop modifying the lead to be like all the other pages (also the total number we're at is 674, not 675 because the 26 announced includes Awakened Mewtwo). Due to the fact that we cannot say anything about it as a group regarding national number your version does not work. Just let other people take care of the page for the time being and do not convert the lead paragraph into the version based on national number.—Ryulong (琉竜) 21:37, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you not understand that the article is different than the others already and should not use the same lead paragraph as all the others? X and Y are not out yet so you can't say a specific number of Pokemon are found in them like you do with the others. When the full count is known, then you make the page like all the others. For now, it is different. And stop posting those links I told you are bad. I've modified the lede to contain both versions, so please stop restoring your preferred version because it is not as good and continued reversions is edit warring. I'm trying to work with you here but you persistently revert to what you think is best when I've told you that there are so many rules on this website that say it's wrong.—Ryulong (琉竜) 22:09, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Stop moving Xerneas and Yveltal to the end of the list simply because they are Legendaries. The list is stated to be "in the order they have been revealed" and they were #4 and #5.—Ryulong (琉竜) 22:30, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon edits

This needs to be at DRN, Ryulong and yourself should not be engaged in this drama. It is bad for the both of you. I'm not going to 3O this, but there is plenty wrong with the Pokemon lists to be squabbling over this - at least for the moment. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

There's no need for that level of bureaucracy. However, "Generation VI" is gamer jargon and not an official term, so we should not use that in the title of an article on Misplaced Pages. The page is going to move once we have the numbering system and this title is much clearer as to what it entails.—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

My edits do not constitute vandalism. I am performing edits in good faith but you just keep disagreeing with them.—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:12, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Its called edit warring. The title you had would have to include formes and such. Lets just keep it at Generation VI Pokémon until the full lists are out and it is moved back to 650-700 as it was. The header should not reflect around the games though. My edit contained both, not just yours. Generation is an official term with "Many" pages revolving around it.

Constantly warring and not including both, as I have done is a form of vandalism. Lets try to resolve before you revert my edits again. BlackDragon 17:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

It takes two to tango.—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Also please dont revert my edits, just to readd the same thing its annoying. BlackDragon 17:22, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't see why it's important to have such a name of the page now when it will be moved to a numerical title once the numbering system is revealed.—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Because the new title makes the most sense as of right now. No comment on the rest? BlackDragon 17:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

It will probably not be at "650-700" as you originally made anyway, but that will be saved for October.—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:44, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes it will, being as around 50 are listed. Assuming the general 150 per generation, or around, 650-700, 701-751, then 752-the end. BlackDragon 18:10, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Well since you decided to move the page like 10 times , why dont you fix all of your double redirects? BlackDragon 18:12, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Bots do it. Also, Awakened Mewtwo is not a "Forme". It's just an alternate form. Not a proper noun. Why the heck do you keep assuming I'm warring when I obviously wrote it in a particular way because no where is it called a "Forme". Keldeo has two forms and they're not called "Formes". The only Pokémon that have alternate forms that have the word "Forme" in their name are Deoxys, Giratina, Shaymin, Tornadus, Thunderus, Landorus, and Meloetta.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

And do not add the height and weight parameters back into the small infobox template. They have been deleted a long time ago for a reason and were only recently reinstated without discussion by some IP editor who seems to know a bit about coding. No one coming to Misplaced Pages really cares about how large or small any particular Pokémon is because it is not important in the games in any way.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:53, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

A forme is a legendary that can transform at will. Form is differences, like Deerling and such. It is important to the games as items allow more damage depending on height/weight/etc. BlackDragon 01:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah bots do, but your supposed to clean up and fix the most serious ones while bots do the least notable that you may of missed. Its irresponsible to just leave them be. BlackDragon 01:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

What part of "Awakened Mewtwo has not been called a 'Forme'" do you not understand? Do not change "form" to "forme" again because "forme" is not a proper English word. Keldeo's alternate forms are not called "Formes" so stop being stubborn and actually read the words I'm sending you instead of assuming that you're right. I've been on this website for 7 years I know how things work.—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

And the height and weight are useless minutae that serve no purpose on this encyclopedia, particularly when you're just providing the English measuring system. Do not modify Template:Pokeinfoboxsmall again to restore these contents.—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Finally, we should be following the tenets of the bold, revert, discuss cycle. You made a bold edit (changing "form" to "forme"). I reverted and a began a discussion. That means we come to a conclusion instead of you persistantly edit warring to insert this letter. On the template, that IP performed a bold edit, I reverted, which means you do not revert me and expect to get your way either.—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay... Ryulong is right here; the height and weight system is not ready to be used and messing with it causes lots of changes. Namely, it causes un-filled in portions to render when they should not, if you are going to worry about height weight, use proper formats and make them reverse compatible so null or missing information does not render on the page. Since I doubt you can do this; and you've proven to edit war over it, stop doing it immediately and bring it to the project! The last time something like this happened, 10000 pages were broke and I was the one who went in and cleaned up the errors of another user by hand; let's not re-institute something which causes errors on all the pages. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:58, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I am not going to say this, again, Black60dragon. "Forme" is a specific term and it has not yet been used in conjunction with whatever "Awakened Mewtwo" is. In my sentence, I am using "form" as a regular noun and not as a proper noun. That is why it is not capitalized. "Forme" would be capitalized because it is a proper noun in Pokémon. Stop using "forme" as an alternate word for "form". It is an archaic spelling that is pronounced differently when it is used in Pokémon. Now, per the WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, you were WP:BOLD in changing "form" to "forme", I reverted you, and now we discuss it. Stop edit warring over a single god damn letter when I've been trying to tell you why I disagree with it.—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Just because you claim you've found a source that says "Awakened Forme" does not mean we have to use that word on the article anyway. A "Forme" is still an "alternate form". "Forme" is just a proper noun for such a form in the Pokémon jargon and it is not necessary. However, I may change my phrasing if you can actually provide the source that says this information.—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

It has not been referred to as a "Forme". If you can find a source to prove me wrong, then fine. But if you keep changing it I will seek administrative intervention.—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:55, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

And just to note, the Japanese text I added uses the word sugata (姿, which means "form" and is used in Keldeo's forms) and not "Forme" (フォルム, Forumu, which is used for Giratina, Shaymin, etc.). Unless you can find a source in Japanese that uses フォルム in regards to "Awakened Mewtwo" then stop edit warring. I have attempted all forms of communication with you but you refuse to answer me outside of the edit summaries you have been putting on the article when you make your "corrections" to change all instances of "form" I've used to "Forme" without any source to back up your claims. If you do not respond to this message, or ChrisGualtieri's messages, you may face administrative actions. Hell, I may face administrative actions as well. So please work with me instead of against me and please do not modify the article, again, until we can come to a conclusion as to this situation.—Ryulong (琉竜) 05:22, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring

This is the last time I aught to be making this. Your addition is contentious, bring it to DRN or some other venue, if you continue to edit war (both you or Ryulong) could be blocked. I've tried to act as a 3O on the other issue, but this "form/e" mess is entering WP:LAME territory. I suggest both of you stop edit warring from this point and resolve it here or on the talk page. I'm not siding with Ryulong either, if you wonder why I am stopping it with that incarnation. I will notify Ryulong as well. Consider it "protected" until you resolve this, because the next time it may be me who reports this little tussle to an appropriate venue. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:02, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Indenting

Would you please start indenting your replies to people, as plenty of people do to their own posts? Just use a : at the beginning of the line, and use one more : at the beginning of the line than the person who you're responding to. This is a common courtesy on Misplaced Pages, as outlined on Misplaced Pages:Indentation. People have asked you to do this in the past. There's nothing that should stop you from doing it now.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:06, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Reverting

And let me also remind you that, if someone reverts an edit of yours, you should not start an edit war and then accuse the other person of edit warring when they attempt to restore the status quo. I have done everything humanly possible to engage in discussion with you as per the general etiquette described at Misplaced Pages:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, but you have refused to engage in any discussion, and when you do begin discussion, you still edit war over the content. So in the future, please try to follow this precept:

• You make a bold edit to a page
• Someone reverts you
• Do not revert them back
• Begin a discussion with them on their user talk page or the article talk page
• Come to a decision together

You've already begun the terrible habit of edit warring. This is not a road you want to follow.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Please read self-revert before complaining about my editing practices again.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:26, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Please, can you stop reverting my editions? We know that Barretta had one night appearance in TNA. Two lines for a entire section is too far. We use Indy circuit section many times when the wrestler has made one appearance in the promotion, including WWE or TNA. Look Hardcore Holly, James Yun, Brian Cage and Shelton Benjamin. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:25, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

One more thing, don't revert the WWE editions, because Hulk explained to you six months ago --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:30, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Hulk explained to you six months ago. If you revert my editions, you'll be banned. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:10, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

So the Hulk told me that if I revert you I will be banned? BlackDragon 02:01, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes. We told you six months ago. Do it again and you'll be banned by Hulk, Thor and the other avengers. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 02:28, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I can't speak for The Avengers (I'm no more The Incredible Hulk than Lex Luger is Lex Luthor). And I'm not an administrator, so I can't ban. I can just ask an admin to decide, like anyone can. The proper thing would be to give you a more recent warning first, though. Six months is a long time.

But yeah, this is the exact same type of bullshit as it was. WWE was World Wrestling Entertainment, then it was WWE. Cena held titles under both names, so we split it "World Wrestling Entertainment/WWE", not "WWE/WWE" like your edit summaries pretend. I see the correct version is current (at least in John Cena). Keep it that way, and you get no formal warning from me. Revert twice more, you'll likely be blocked. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:42, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Avengers? dissemble. Too bad you have no power. You dont make the rules. People are aloud to revert edits, especially if they are wrong. Your edits arent better than anyone elses. You removed them because "they were Shit". BlackDragon 02:31, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Nice. Next time I'll say "Nikelodion championships hasn't any source and isn't notable because Nickelodeos isn't a wrestling promotion". Also, I can show that, six months ago, InedibleHulk and me explain several times that the name of the company and promotion is WWE, not World Wrestling Entertainment and we have sources about the name change. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 02:41, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

The company shortened its name for business. This way it could do Movies and stuff without making it associated with wrestling. Their wrestling promotion is World Wrestling Entertainment. If not would the announce tables say the full name. Would JR and Punk reference the name many times over? Dont think so. Find me a source that say the "promotion" not company is only WWE. Its simply shortened for business. Besides do you honestly care is it says World Wrestling Entertainment/WWE and not just World Wrestling Entertainment? It doesnt seem like a big deal and looks "way" nicer. If you shorten that then WWE/WWE makes no sense, even if it is spelled out now. I dont care about the Nick one, but saying its "shit" isnt a reason to remove it. BlackDragon 02:47, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

We have this conversation six months ago, remember the answers. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 02:53, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

"Had" this is then not name. Why do you care so much about the

World Wrestling Entertainment/WWE VS. World Wrestling Entertainment thing. Which looks nicer and makes more sense regardless. You two dont know everything though and just because "you" told me, doesnt make it true. BlackDragon 02:57, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

we have a source about the name change, so you are wrong. Also, you don't need a source to link an article, but you need one to create Hardcore Justice (2013). Find one or I'll ask for deletion.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 02:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

You have no source. Dude Im not making it up. It was announced at the taping's for next week apparently. I have some source but Dude, give me some time. I just made the page to get it up. Im not done adding to it. Jeez. BlackDragon 03:02, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

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August 2013

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people.

You may have made the file yourself but it still contained elements copyrighted by other people which means you can't use it on Misplaced Pages and claim that you own it.

And all content added to Misplaced Pages must be corroborated by reliable sources. Oorotto has no sources yet. —Ryulong (琉竜) 18:12, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Also, per WP:ELNEVER you are not allowed to use illegally hosted YouTube videos anywhere on Misplaced Pages, particularly when you could just go to Serebii and get the official upload from their front page right now instead.—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:19, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Personal attacks? Dude its sourced. Its not illegal, just add a source instead of reverting every time. BlackDragon 21:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC) BlackDragon 21:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

You called me "a whiny baby". That's a personal attack. And per WP:ELNEVER do not link to YouTube videos unless they are from the official channel. Also, do not change section titles. Do not remove valid warnings. Do not change "Ōrotto" to "Oorotto"; the English Misplaced Pages uses the Hepburn romanization, not whatever system fansites might be using. That video is not a Nintendo Direct video. It is the actual commercial from the movies. I do not see the resemblance to a spider. It is just a tree.—Ryulong (琉竜) 21:16, 1 August 2013 (UTC)