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Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive367#Close challenge for Talk:1948 Arab–Israeli War#RFC for Jewish exodus

(Initiated 41 days ago on 13 December 2024) challenge of close at AN was archived nableezy - 05:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 108 days ago on 7 October 2024) Tough one, died down, will expire tomorrow. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 459#RFC_Jerusalem_Post

(Initiated 88 days ago on 28 October 2024) Participation/discussion has mostly stopped & is unlikely to pick back up again. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

 Note: This is a contentious topic and subject to general sanctions. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Archived. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  22:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

would like to see what close is. seems like it was option 1 in general, possibly 1/2 for IP area. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 05:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Genocide#RfC: History section, adding native American and Australian genocides as examples

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(Initiated 77 days ago on 8 November 2024), RFC expired weeks ago. GoodDay (talk) 21:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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 Closed by editor Timrollpickering. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  14:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Initiated 121 days ago on 25 September 2024) Open for a while, requesting uninvolved closure. Andre🚐 22:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 87 days ago on 29 October 2024) There are voices on both sides (ie it is not uncontroversial) so a non-involved editor is needed to evaluate consensus and close this. Thanks. PamD 09:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Dundas railway station, Sydney#Requested move 25 December 2024

(Initiated 30 days ago on 25 December 2024) – The discussion has reached a point where there is some agreement in favour or acceptance of moving most of the articles concerned to 'light rail station', with the arguable exception of Camellia railway station which may be discussed separately in a pursuant discussion.

There are, however, points of disagreement but the discussion has been inactive for twenty days now.

I wish to close the discussion so as to migrate and subsequently fix up the articles to reflect the recent reopening of a formerly-disused railway line.

Cheers, Will Thorpe (talk) 05:48, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:You Like It Darker#Proposed merge of Finn (short story) into You Like It Darker

(Initiated 27 days ago on 27 December 2024) Proposed merge discussion originally opened on 30 May 2024, closed on 27 October 2024, and reopened on 27 December 2024 following the closure being overturned at AN. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:22, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Selected Ambient Works Volume II#Proposed merge of Stone in Focus into Selected Ambient Works Volume II

(Initiated 17 days ago on 6 January 2025) Seeking uninvolved closure; proposal is blocking GA closure czar 11:47, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump#Proposal to supersede consensus #50

(Initiated 13 days ago on 10 January 2025) Seeking uninvolved closure; its degenerated into silly sniping and has clearly run its course. Slatersteven (talk) 16:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Yup, the discussion does need to be closed. GoodDay (talk) 18:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Xiaohongshu#Requested move 14 January 2025

(Initiated 10 days ago on 14 January 2025) Seeking uninvolved closure; its been more than 7 days and there appears to be a consensus. There haven't been new opinions for almost three days now. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

 Closed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  09:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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TFD topic ban proposed for Banhtrung1

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I previously proposed a topic ban for Banhtrung1 (talk · contribs) a few weeks ago - there was overwhelming consensus to do so but it was archived before an uninvolved admin could formalise it - so it goes. However, TFD issues persist e.g. he nominated the {{Poland U–19 Squad 1998 Quarée–Cup}} template for deletion, but didn't actually tag it as being nominated. This has happened before (see previous topic ban proposal for relevant diffs), and I have no doubt it will happen again - one of just many issues this user has at TFD, including striking the !votes of users he disagrees with. So I'm bringing this back here in the hope that we can formalise a topic ban, broadly construed, from nominating any/all templates at TFD - they should still be allowed to !vote. GiantSnowman 13:03, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

...anybody? GiantSnowman 08:18, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Link to the archived discussion? Agathoclea (talk) 19:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Already provided but here you go again. GiantSnowman 08:35, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I have asked @Banhtrung1: for his input as well. My reading of the poorly attended discussion was that there is a consenus for T-Ban. If nominating templates for deletion without notifying and tagging is the problem I would certainly agree. Having templates deleted without users given the opportunity to comment is certainly disruptive. I would recommend some mentoring during the ban to see if the problem recinds. -- Agathoclea (talk) 12:37, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

He didn't participate at the last AN discussion, I sadly doubt he will at this. GiantSnowman 11:18, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

The discussion, already linked to at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive250#TFD topic ban proposed for Banhtrung1, does show four support and three comments short of opposition, so at least personally I think that the best thing to do might be to get broader input, because although I am not sure I doubt just four votes to topic ban someone is going to be sufficient for these purposes. I would myself support the ban as well, making it 5/0/3, but I think relisting the discussion for broader input might be the best step to take now, to obtain broader input from the community. John Carter (talk) 19:28, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

More input is always welcome, but this thread has been open for 4 days now and you're the only person who's given an opinion... GiantSnowman 19:31, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

I thought I gave a supporting opinion as well. Anyway support. Agathoclea (talk) 19:39, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Apteva

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I am raising the concern here about the talk page. An editor has left a message regarding a rfc Apteva created. Apteva is currently unable to respond as his talkpage access has been revoked. Several editors have taken it on themselves to revert that persons addition to the page. I believe this is out of order, an indefinite block is exactly that indefinite, could be a day, week or years. I do not believe that gives them the right however to revert other peoples posting if it isn't disruptive to the project and I request that if an administrator thinks that no one should post there that the page be given full protection. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 12:40, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

• The comment by Dohn Joe was utterly unhelpful, and should never have been made; they knew full well that Apteva had no talk page access, given the location of the message. It was a RM notification, and Apteva won't be unblocked in the next week. You shouldn't have edit-warred to keep the comment there, end of story. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:01, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I have zero problems doing what I did. If no comments should be left it should have been protected. End of Story Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:04, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Sigh, what happened to AGF re:Dohn Joe's comment? He probably didn't realize that Apteva was blocked. The subsequent edit warring is some of the lamest I've ever had the misfortune of seeing, from all parties involved. GiantSnowman 13:06, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
      • When it's all said and done I would be willing to support inclusion in WP:LAME. If you cannot laugh at yourself; who can you laugh at? PantherLeapord|My talk page|My CSD log 13:08, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
        • I don't care if it's listed or not, however the relevant guidelines to my actions are found at WP:TPO which state "The basic rule—with some specific exceptions outlined below—is that you should not edit or delete the comments of other editors without their permission." The purpose in my post here is to just solve the issue. The fact that Dicklyon and PantherLeapord reverted doesn't really raise to needing administrator action, it's the idea behind it. If no one should post there it should be protected, if not it's business as usual unless it is blatant attacks or vandalism. I would however advise that User:PantherLeapord's using rollback to make that change is not appropriate at all. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:12, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

• There's a huge difference between "no-one should post there" and posting an RM message, inviting an indefinitely blocked user to participate. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:15, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

• Not to mention that the indef-blocked user is the one that STARTED the RM in the first place! PantherLeapord|My talk page|My CSD log 13:19, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I didn't think he was involved with the actual question I was raising. I will notify him if you prefer, but the main question I was raising is should the page be protected fully or not. If it should then let's do it, if it's not and it's not vandalism or personal attacks then people should leave it alone. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I've already notified him - as you should have done, seeing as his initial edit was under question as well. There is no reason to protect the page - Dohn Joe's post about an RM was fine, your edit warring over it was not. WP:BOOMERANG. GiantSnowman 13:27, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I never reverted it more then three times, I made three request via the edit summary and on the fourth I took it here to resolve the overall question. Had I went past three or waited a 24 hour period then started to go at it again I'd agree. As it stands I didn't and because there was no problem with the comment itself I would ask that PantherLeapord re-add it. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:30, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

You are aware of

I am aware it states "A revert means undoing the actions of another editor. The 3RR says an editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material, on a single page within a 24-hour period.' I am also confident though that an administrator (yes I'm aware you are one) would not consider that a blockable offense as "an edit war without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so" I think that in the end I followed the guidelines found at WP:TPO. When it came time that could no longer do so I asked for page protection or reinstating the comment. I'm sorry you disagree. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:42, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

• I've warned both parties for edit warring. I hope it is now clear to everyone involved that, right or wrong, edit warring is always the wrong way to deal with it, whether you breach 3RR or not. Seriously, this one of the lamest edit wars I have ever seen as it literally makes zero difference one way or the other.

If I was picking sides, yea, Hell in a Bucket is right, there was and is no legitimate reason to remove the post. Posts are made to blocked users pages all day long every day. But discussion, not edit warring, is the proper way to address such concerns. Seriously, can't we all just leave the Apteva-related drama behind? Why would anyone be so gung-ho to remove a post from the page of a blocked user? the whole thing is nonsense and I sincerely hope all involved parties will just admit that the edit warring was stupid and move along to something that less pointless. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:14, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Dumb yes I realize. I disagree that it doesn't matter but discussion is usually the way to go. I'm not always keen on that because I feel it's a waste of time but I understand it does avoid a few things like accusations of edit wars, etc. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:54, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I think Beeblebrox has correctly summarized the situation. Someone not using his real name (talk) 17:21, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey folks - I'm the one who left the message in question. I did it out of an abundance of canvassing caution. Looking back, it was certainly unnecessary, because Apteva had opened the RfC at issue. As to the broader issue, though, I agree with H in a B and Beeblebrox - people leave messages and notifications for blocked users all the time. Dohn joe (talk) 17:43, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Topic ban on Beeblebrox and the Article Incubator

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• It is time to call for a topic ban on Beeblebrox and the incubator.  He is objectively delusional about the topic, as I have shown at WT:Article incubator.  He has had more than one opportunity to objectively review his comments and withdraw them, but refuses to bring his view in alignment with objective reality.  The good news is that his latest attempts today to attack specific articles in the incubator is an admission that his desire to stop the volunteers in the incubator using admin tools with an RfC is not going well.  After posting once on his page, he immediately demanded that I not post there, so if someone would be so kind as to notify him I would appreciate it.  Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 18:31, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

• And of course, claiming someone is "delusional" is not a violation of NPA, is it? I have notified Beeblebrox, but I equally have no idea why you have brought this here. Black Kite (talk) 18:36, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
• You cannot possibly think that starting out a thread at AN with "He is objectively delusional" is going to result in a productive discussion. Some will see this as a red flag to attack you, others will see it as a reason to bring up their own pet peeves with Beeblebrox, others (like me) will take it as evidence that there's nothing substative to the complaint and will move on. But nothing productive is going to happen unless you (a) tone it down, and (b) explain what in the world you're talking about. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:41, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

• Having had a chance to look at this now, this probably ought to be closed now per WP:BOOMERANG. Unscintillating, you need to, very quickly indeed, explain why you believe a topic ban is required here - with diffs - or it will be closed. I see no issue whatsoever (indeed, Beeblebrox's RFC even has marginal support, although it's probably no consensus). Black Kite (talk) 18:46, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

• Diffs of disruption, if there even is any, if you would be so kind? GiantSnowman 18:49, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

New incubator MFD nominations by Beeblebrox, WP:Article Incubator/Greenhouse workflow stopped

After my WP:AN posting yesterday, Beeblebrox nominated yet another five incubated articles for deletion.  In one 8-hour period, he has nominated 7 out of 47 or 15% of the articles in the incubator.  One of the articles that was nominated is in the Greenhouse workflow.  This stops the work in the Greenhouse.  It is not realistic to donate time on articles in the incubator when the existence of the work is volatile, which is why the Greenhouse was shut down during the WT:Article Incubator/2013 June mass MfD.  There is currently a discussion at WP:VPP about a case in which an incubated article was deleted without notice or process because of an article created in mainspace.  Back to the Greenhouse, unlike Beeblebrox, the Greenhouse process makes an effort to notify involved editors.  Thus the post I made at WT:Wikimedia Foundation is now erroneous.  The article has received seven edits by two editors within the last week.  Beeblebrox could have joined the discussion on the talk page.  Beeblebrox needs to agree to withdraw his seven nominations and agree to disengage from his continuing WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior at the incubator.  Unscintillating (talk) 06:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

RealNMMP promotional username

RealNMMP (talk · contribs) – Violation of the username policy as a promotional username. Currently under a 72h 3RR block. (Edit warring case) User was previously reported to UAA but the report was removed (by a bot) with the 72h block. The admin at AN/EW wasn't sure if the name was a violation so I re-reported to UAA because I thought that was the case. Naturally the bot promptly removed my UAA report so I'm bringing that here.

I think the user has a promotional username which warrants blocking, independent of that user's disruptive conduct. OSborn _contribs. 00:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Er, the edit notice seems to indicate this maybe should go to AN/I, but this isn't exactly time sensitive (with the 72h block.) I'm trying to bring it to the most appropriate venue without spamming this incident out to every noticeboard on Misplaced Pages. OSborn _contribs. 00:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Formalising community ban of KuhnstylePro

I'd like to direct the community's attention to the case of User:KuhnstylePro, indefed for creating an extensive and very clever not-entirely-walled garden of hoax articles, often cut-and-pasted from wikias set up (from the evidence) by the same person for a variety of fake Disney Channel and Frederator Studios shows and Cartoon Network-based video games. This editor - or one/some indistinguishable from him - have, since their block a few months back, been on a sockpuppeting spree, repeatedly creating new accounts, with increasing frequency, to recreate the same hoax articles - sometimes even still with maintenance tags with dates indicating they were lifted from the previously-deleted copy. I know there's the usual "de facto banned" argument to be made here, but a formalisation of a community ban would make it easier, at least from an "all i's dotted and all t's crossed" perspective, to deal with this sockpuppeting hoax creator. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Hoaxes, copyvios and socking? Strong Support just to fill in the blanks. Blackmane (talk) 11:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Support per above. AutomaticStrikeout  ?  02:29, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

• Support - Dealing with Kuhn was already crazy enough, now he's socking? Get the banhammer out, this is insane. ZappaOMati 02:37, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
• Support per above. --I am One of Many (talk) 06:42, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

ℛℳ creation blocked

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I was going to create this as a redirect to Reichsmark. Is there a technical reason why this is blacklisted, perhaps not being able to have more than one special character in a title? 8ty3hree (talk) 03:14, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done. Yes, alphabet lookalike characters are usually blacklisted. 28bytes (talk) 03:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I understand that this discussion is archived, and I am not modifying it. But it seems to indicate that a Redirect from ℛℳ is disallowed, yet I see that Redirect ℛℳ exists! Am I missing something? David Spector (talk) 13:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

User name

Maybe I'm wrong here; if so, please give me a hint.In DE:WP, I'm using the name ″Freud″ for nearly eight years, so I want to use the same name (it's my real name, too) in the EN:WP. The ″create account″ function tells me the name is already in use, but there is no user:Freud. Is there a way to get this name? I'm also using it worldwide at Commons for uploading pictures. Thank you. --2003:65:EE2B:4A00:90DD:E20C:CA39:B4FA (talk) 14:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

• There is a user by that name (the just have no undeleted contribs). If you own the WP:SUL for Freud then I think this is one of the cases you can usurp the account. See Misplaced Pages:Changing_username/Usurpations for info. --Errant 14:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. --2003:65:EE2B:4A00:90DD:E20C:CA39:B4FA (talk) 15:14, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Freud made two contributions: he edited Template:Ph:Starting a new page and created The Whole Site, both in late 2004. The template got deleted as a result of Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Meta-based Help: content templates (his edit to the template got removed almost immediately by someone else), while The Whole Site apparently got deleted as web-based nonsense (see speedy deletion criterion A7); its whole contents were "The Whole Site" is an internet catch phrase often used by stupid people in message board settings. It denotes that the entire community (not half, or the majority) feels hatred and bitterness towards a better poster, and therefore is the most moronic phrase in message board history. Since the user doesn't have any contributions to active pages and did nothing except two pieces of vandalism nine years ago, I can't expect that you'll have problems. Nyttend (talk) 18:16, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Early closure of Elexis Monroe deletion review

• Now, before anyone accuses me of forum shopping or beating a dead horse, let me point out right away that this action is what I was instructed to do (I think this forum would work better than WT:DRV). Basically, four days ago I opened a deletion review for the article Elexis Monroe because I thought it was speedily deleted unfairly (and without warning), and the deleting admin would not restore it. There were !votes of "keep" and "delete" in either direction, and the main concern I had was that the !delete voters seemed to be ignoring that Ms. Monroe passed the relevant guideline (WP:PORNBIO) simply because they didn't like the subject.

At one point, another user made a personal comment about me, and after I responded, another user made an even more personal comment about me. I then suggested that people focus on the subject at hand instead of me, and thankfully those kinds of comments ceased, but then User:Spartaz (the admin who closed the DR) suggested that everyone cool off because the discussion was apparently getting too heated. There’s nothing wrong with that suggestion, but I informed him/her that that wasn’t going on anymore.

The reason why I brought up the personal comments is because it seemed like Spartaz used that aspect as an excuse to close the discussion early, which I think was inappropriate for two reasons:

1. S/he blamed me for personalizing discussions when I'm the one whose personal life was brought into it; and
2. S/he appears to have a bias against pornography-related articles, as evidenced here.

Now, I understand if s/he is “the regular DRV closer” as s/he claims, but is s/he the only DRV closer? If it were felt that the discussion indeed had to be closed early, it should have been listed at WP:ANRFC and then closed by an uninvolved admin (granted, Spartaz only made comments in this discussion and not an actual !vote, but the aforementioned bias kind of clouds things). In addition, the article itself was then deleted by User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, another admin who appears to share that bias (and if people think I’m unfairly accusing other users of having a bias, you’ll notice that said users have yet to actually deny a bias). Erpert 16:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Note: I merely carried out the DRV result as determined by Spartaz, by re-deleting the article that had been temp-restored for the duration of the DRV. Spartaz apparently forgot to do this, but it was a purely technical necessity at that point. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:34, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

• As the deleting admin, and a participant in the discussion, I do think it was inappropriately personalised, and that Erpert was partly responsible for that. Hut 8.5 16:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

• I mean, when someone says to quit making comments about other editors or they will close the debate, and then Erpert makes another comment about other editors... well, honestly, it looks like a good close to me. Erpert's not entirely to blame (who cares what userboxes an editor has? How is that relevant?), but his edits were part of the problem. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 18:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • As I clearly showed from the diffs above, Spartaz suggested that after that situation was over. And Hut, please explain how I personalized it when comments were clearly made about me first. Erpert 19:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Spartaz stated - in this diff - that the thread would be closed if personal comments continued. You did indeed state that that problem had ended (here, two edits later), but then almost immediately made another personal comment questioning the motives of editors who disagreed with you (the diff I cited, here). The situation ended when Spartaz closed the debate, precisely as he said he would. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 02:46, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
      • Exactly right. While Guy1890 began the run of inappropriate personal comments, Erpert continued them, particularly casting aspersions on admins who didn't share his opinions (a practice further on display here). His edits at the DRV are hard to see as anything but deliberate defiance/baiting of Spartaz, whose warning was quite standard. This kind of behavior has marked Erpert's participation in deletion-related discussions for some time, going back at least to here , but his behavior doesn't change. We're really at the point where editing restrictions should be considered. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:01, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Ultra, that comment was far from personalizing anything. A question was asked and I answered it; simple as that. (And HW, given your entire talk page, you are the last person who should be talking about editing restrictions.) Erpert 03:13, 13 August 2013 (UTC)`

There. RIGHT THERE. You just did it again. You don't discuss the merits of what HW said, or where he might be mistaken, or that there's some aspect of the situation that he maybe did not examine, or whatever - you jump right to commenting on HW himself. What does HW's talk page have to do with the Elexis Monroe DRV, your conduct thereon, or the price of beans in China? The fact that you don't see how problematic your edits are getting is, itself, problematic. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 12:38, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I don't understand this. First of all, HW said something first and I responded, yet you only said something to me. If you think personal comments are being shot in either direction, you should say something to both people, not just one. But importantly, this thread is supposed to be about the DRV; nothing else. Can we get back to that, please?

Speaking of that, the original question I asked still hasn't been answered...why couldn't an uninvolved admin have closed the discussion? Erpert 14:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism

No admin actions taken in the past 5 hours - Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism -- Moxy (talk) 23:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Previous admin action was at 21:30, 96 minutes prior. Admins only need to edit the page to decline requests or leave comments, the bot handles removing blocked editors. Monty₈₄₅ 23:16, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

This comment will be obsolete in a few minutes, but for now AIV is empty. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

67.87.140.155 (he has returned)

67.87.140.155 is back from doing a spree on post fake volumes on Disney's Sing Along Songs, Disney's Greatest Hits, Eric Carle, The Disney Collection: The Best-Loved Songs from Disney Motion Pictures, Television, and Theme Parks. I also saw a sock puppet of him also doing the similar edits. Please stop this guy!! ACMEWikiNet (talk) 00:30, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

These reports should normally go to the Incidents noticeboard; however, I did the needful and blocked for 3 months (pattern vandalism, repeat customer, prior block 2 weeks, fifth block this summer). Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:33, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding MarshalN20

The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment that:

Not withstanding the sanction imposed on MarshalN20 (talk · contribs) in Argentine History, he may edit Falkland Islands, its talk page, and pages related to a featured article candidacy for the article. This exemption may be withdrawn by Basalisk (talk · contribs) at any time, or by motion of the Arbitration Committee.

For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Discuss this

Problem about sandbox / page move

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Hi,

I made a page about an Italian artist named Saro Tribastone in my sandbox. My user name is Urva222. After finishing the article, I moved it to the address: http://en.wikipedia.org/Saro_Tribastone

Now, it shows up well on this page. But when I delete any content in my sandbox, the content on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/Saro_Tribastone also gets deleted. Why is it so? Then how can I make another articles without deleting the content from sandbox? And how to make the Saro Tribastone page permanent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Urva222 (talk • contribs) 08:16, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Inappropriate language on the Xbox One page

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I was reading the Xbox one page and this came up.

The xbox likes to have intercourse with men beacause it is gay.'

I found this to be inappropriate as young children may be looking at the page, therefore please can you remove it immediately.

Thank-you for your co-operation, Misplaced Pages User — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.198.57 (talk) 12:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, this isn't really the place to request this sort of thing, but it was removed almost instantly (info that blatantly disruptive is almost always removed on such a high profile page) and I've blocked the user for being a vandalism-only account. Should be taken care of. Sergecross73 msg me 12:29, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

(ec) I could still see it, and had to clear the article cache to make it go away. Everything should be okay now. -- Diannaa (talk) 12:42, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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