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Splinter Cell edits

As regards you fixing my "mess". Okay. First of all, did you see the state of the references before I worked on them? Now that was a mess. Secondly, if you check out the Template for citing web, you'll find that it's very rare to include a work parameter. More often then not, it's simply a publisher parameter. I've been working on fixing up web citations for over a month now, worked on a lot of pages, and you're literally the first person to have the slightest problem with anything I've done. And now once did I use manual italication except for items which are in the form of print media too, where you do italicse the publisher. Remember, citing the web is not like citing hard copies. Bestest regards. Bertaut (talk) 23:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi.

First, making things personal will only get you hurt. I didn't know you had worked on it. I came, I saw, I applied Help:Citation Style 1. Nothing personal.

Second, that bit about not using "work": Per Help:Citation Style 1, both are valid parameters and should be specified. There is an ongoing community discussion about forgoing |publisher= in certain situations. That said, I can make a collection of contradictory messages people have sent me about doing right or wrong in citation area but my experience in one featured and two good articles shows that following Citation Style 1 is the only correct thing.

Third, yes, citing online sources in Misplaced Pages style is very much like citing a paper source. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 12:16, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't aware I had made it personal, but apologies if it came across as such. As regards the debate about citation, the thing of it is, in the cite web template you're actually supposed to use the "website" parameter rather than the the "work" parameter. Of course in the final analysis, it doesn't matter, they both produce the same result. The problem lies in the auto italicisation issue, which has been an ongoing discussion for at least four years. Website names don't get italicised in the body of the article, as you know, so, to me, it makes little sense to suddenly start italicising them in the references. I also see little point in listing something like; "Murphy, Horatio (28 January 5498) "Metal Gear 2487: Solid Snake Falls Over and Can't Get Up Review" IGN. IGN.com", which is what often happenes when using the publsiher parameter and the work/website paramter. It looks silly, and adds nothing of any actual use. Of course when using the cite book or cite journal templates, it's very different. When I was first asked to do some work on video game articles, I was told to use the Final Fantasy article as a template. That article only uses the publisher parameter to bypass the auto-italisation problem regarding website citation. But, it's no big deal in the long run one way or the other. Also, apologies about my spelling, I'm on an iPOd, and I have pretty big fingers!!! Bertaut (talk) 16:31, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I can spot three areas of interest there.

• First, it is actually, like this:

  Murphy, Horatio (28 January 5498) "Metal Gear 2487: Solid Snake Falls Over and Can't Get Up Review" IGN. Ziff Davis Media.

You might be interested in seeing the citation in Chicago style fifteenth edition, when I explicitly told the software it is a website address (italic originally there). More discussion on this below.

Murphy, Horatio. "Metal Gear 2487: Solid Snake Falls Over and Can't Get Up Review." IGN. Ziff Davis Media. January 28, 5498. http://www.example.com (accessed August 8, 5498).

• Second, |website= and |work= are aliases; specifying one is specifying the other. One of them take precedence but I don't remember which. To make you better understand, here is an example of two aliases with similar status: |image has rationale= and |image_has_rationale= in copyright tags.

• Third, I know there has been long discussions without any consensus that still rage on. But Misplaced Pages has previously broken many such traditions because of the need. For instance, many style guides write URL at the same place as identifier. We don't; we link it. Now, another case of need: Work should be distinguished from publisher. It is true that website names are not italicized in the prose, but again, refs can have a different date style; why can't they italicize the same word when it is needed? If you ask me, this is another case like the hostility with serial comma and Captain Kirk-style infinitive.

I recommend you adhere to Help:Citation Style 1. If anyone asked, say you are adhering to that.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 19:02, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Bertaut. You don't believe what just happened: Some IP guy tried to defend you by censoring part of the message that you had read, calling it a "personal attack". Wow! What can I say? Except that me and you have a small history and I know you are actually a good contributor. I'd never say something that intentionally hurts you. So, when I said that sentence, I didn't mean I'd hurt you. (It was not a threat.)

But again, please don't make it personal. I assure you, we can always chat; you can probably convince me. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 21:15, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I was watching with fascination from afar! Apart from being accused of being a sock puppet (not of having one, of being one! I was supposedly User:MarnetteD's alter ego!), that's probably the most bizarre thing I've seen on here. Very funny. Bertaut (talk) 22:08, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

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Concerning your reverts on WDDM

The Microsoft MSDN article clearly states "Windows 8.1 Preview introduces version 1.3 of the Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM)" and "The following functionality has been added in Direct3D 11.2, which is included with Windows 8.1 Preview, Windows RT 8.1 Preview, and Windows Server 2012 R2 Preview." along with all the features that I supposedly 'claimed'. WDDM1.3 is in fact used in Windows 8.1 Preview, you can verify it by yourself.

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Template:Desktop publishing software

Hello, Beland

Would you please explain a little about this edit?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 00:47, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Sure! A web template system is only one type of software that can be used to make web sites. For example, we also have articles on web application framework and HTML editor, which may or may not include a templating framework to speed the process. Website builder may or may not be a subset. I wanted to link to a higher-level article describing a variety of software, but web publishing is simply a redirect to website, so I put that.

BTW, I notice that the template links to Desktop publishing, but is not included in that article; is that intentional? -- Beland (talk) 01:45, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. You are right about that, except website contains no info about website publishing. (Website can be regarded as a publication but I don't think that's what's intended. Do you?) So, what do you say to web design as the link?

And yes, I think it is not deliberate that the template is missing. I'll just insert it there. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 02:06, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Win8 navbox

There's no reason to remove Windows 8 tablets from the navbox. This section should be a full list. Both the Android and Windows Phone navboxes have complete lists of all devices from every manufacturer. These navboxes could also qualify as lists. Just because the article is not written for each device does provide you any justification for the removal of this content. If you wish to remove the full list of Windows tablets, you have to also consider removal of the devices list from the Android and Windows Phone navboxes. Gamer9832 (talk) 04:11, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Actually there is. Take a look at WP:NAV, particularly at "Navigation templates provide navigation between existing articles" section, second bullet point. The part about "Unlinked text should be avoided", with a very clear example of it. 173.68.110.16 (talk) 06:15, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Gamer. 173 is right. That is the main reason that keep removing such items when I come across them. (Misplaced Pages:NAV § Navigation templates provide navigation between existing articles) I also bypass redirects in navbox (and only in navboxes) and remove red links. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 19:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up the navbox, and keeping the new format. I agree that devices without articles should not be listed, but that all devices with articles should be kept. Gamer9832 (talk) 03:23, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. You are welcome. About your second statement, please look at Misplaced Pages:NAV § Navigation templates provide navigation between related articles (another section). It says: "If the articles are not established as related by reliable sources in the actual articles, then it is probably not a good idea to interlink them." So, for example Vaio article did specifically address a Windows 8 tablet. But Dell XPS did. So, I removed the Sony Vaio link and kept the Dell XPS link. But, I give you a hint: There are articles on specific Vaio series; you can link them there, if appropriate.

Another matter is WP:REPEATLINK: Generally, there should not be repeated links to the same article. For example, if there is only one or two links to a section of Acer Iconia Tab, it is not a good idea to link the article itself, given the fact that the entire Iconia Tab series are not Windows tablets. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 15:35, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

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Disputed editing continues

Lisa, you might want to see this: Special:Contributions/Palosirkka. Palosirkka continues to do his edits which you disputed. If he did not stop reverting or continued doing this type of editing, I advise the taking the case to ANEW, ANI or ARBCOM.

One this however: Do not do something that looks remotely like edit-warring. I don't want to frighten you but you might want to take a look at my block log. Hell, User:Dogmaticeclectic should do that too. Fleet Command (talk) 19:39, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Fleet. I am officially freaking out here. I did care about reverting it once but I did not care so much so as to start a nuclear war. Look, Edit History shows you have both a history with Palosirkka and computing articles, so please do not take what I am going to say as accusation of stalking or Wikihounding; but, nevertheless, I'd like to make a point that I would like to be in charge of the mess into which I drop myself; I do not want to be pushed or shoved. I do not want edit wars, disputes or unpleasant fights to start in my name through a proxy.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 19:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding and adhering to WP:CANVASS behavioral guideline ;-) 173.68.110.16 (talk) 21:44, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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About the Firefox website

I saw that you reverted my edit to Firefox's website URL. You say that the link doesn't work in your browser anymore, but I tried in my browsers (Firefox and Chrome), and when clicking the link in my version, I arrive at working pages, both with the HTTP version and the HTTPS version:

• With Firefox I arrive at: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/fx/ and https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/fx/
• With Chrome I arrive at: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/ and https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/

All those links work for me (I'm in Sweden). May I ask which browser you're using? Skalman (talk) 19:24, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Skalman. It is so nice of you to drop by. I appreciate it. I use Firefox and Chromium on Linux Mint Lisa but I don't live in Sweden. Okay, so it works for you and does not work for me. What do you suggest we do? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 19:38, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I find it very strange that it doesn't work for you, so I simply wanted to make sure you weren't mistaken - if it really doesn't work for you, we'll just leave it as it is. Do the four links I posted above work? Which one(s) don't? Are you by chance in a country which has some internet censorship? (I also tested via a proxy from California, and that also works) Skalman (talk) 06:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello again. Actually, all four links which you posted work, though the HTTP ones are surprisingly fast and the HTTPS ones are slower than other HTTPS pages that I often visit.) The one you put in the article, however, is problematic unless I load the article over a HTTP connection.

Now, in general, I am not comfortable giving a clue as to where I or any other Wikipedians live (I think you shouldn't have either) but suffice to say that I am confident that Internet censorship cannot have caused this problem. Since you have tested the links in your web browser and it is certainly not the result of human error in editing, I think I can live with whatever decision you make in this case. You have my gratitude for following up on this.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 06:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Since it's problematic for you I'll leave the http:// link in the article (others may have the same problems).

I've already on several other places made my identity (at least semi-) public, so I don't think it changes much for me, but I understand why you'd want to stay pseudonymous - had I created my account today I'd do the same. Skalman (talk) 07:00, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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You seem to have ignored my request for you to correct your false claim that the references do not call the subject of the article "free". I have explicitly proven that they have. Of course, you're not required to correct yourself but not correcting your claim only reflects poorly upon you. WCS100 (talk) 20:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I did. I said that I am withdrawing the whole issue in the second paragraph of my message. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 20:32, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

All you did was say that there's a consensus (there isn't) because I agree that it doesn't belong in the category (I don't agree). The whole reason we're having a discussion is because by the definition of "Freeware" on Misplaced Pages, which is used to define the category, the article is not "Freeware". So do we follow that precedent or do we go with the numerous sources that call the app "Free"? WCS100 (talk) 20:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. No, I said the opposite. I said as long as there is a consensus, I can withdraw it. Clear? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Right. So are you saying if there is no consensus about categories applied the article, which there isn't, you're not withdrawing your your claim that the references I added do not say that the app if "free"? This is my issue. They do say that the app is "free", several times, which is the only thing I've claimed but you said that not only that the do the sources not support the claim (that the app is "free") but that making the claim "is not allowed".

Perhaps I'm missing something here but the statement, regardless of any consensus made on what categories apply to the article, is false on two counts. "Not allowed" hasn't be proven in the slightest and that the app isn't called "free" in "any of the sources" is patently false. I would like you to correct yourself. The matter of consensus is independent of these claims that you have made which I feel are not only incorrect, but could be interpreted as defamatory. After talking with you shortly, I truly don't believe that was your intent at all.

I'm starting to think that we're just not communicating with each other effectively. Maybe we should just start over? :-) WCS100 (talk) 21:48, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm heading out the door and will be busy for a few days. I may not be able to respond quickly. We can talk later if you'd like. WCS100 (talk) 22:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello. WCS100. Yes, you are missing something and you are missing it big. I said "as long as" and never said anything about "what if not"! You are assuming my answer for yourself and the answer you are assuming is a rash rejection of worst case scenario kind. You are being unkind and merciless to yourself simply because I am not unkind and merciless with you. If you don't agree that Category:Free instant messaging clients and Category:Free VoIP software are wrong categories, then post a message to that effect in talk page. I'll see what happens then. (Maybe you have and I haven't gotten around to see it yet. I am not a robot attached to Misplaced Pages, you know. I have a life too.) Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 22:42, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

"If you don't agree that Category:Free instant messaging clients and Category:Free VoIP software are wrong categories, then post a message to that effect in talk page."... You realize this is why there's an RfC, right? WCS100 (talk) 14:05, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Port

Sorry about that, I'd like to clarify that the Android and WP versions of Splinter Cell Conviction were ported, or at least, converted, from the original iOS version if not developed alongside them.

And yeah, I can get that. From what I've heard the PC and Mac versions of Max Payne 3 were a distinct if not separate codebase from the home console editions. Still it's wrong to call a version that's completely different from the equivalent home platform version as a port as it isn't converted or ported in any way. Blake Gripling (talk) 07:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Yep. Gameloft's versions were typically reworked and had a different story and graphics/assets from the home console builds. Blake Gripling (talk) 07:34, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Noted. At least we can vouch on using the term "version" instead of merely describing it as a port regardless of codebase. I haven't honestly played the mobile versions, apart from the side-scrolling J2ME game developed by the same studio, but I've seen enough footage to tell you that it isn't the same exact banana. I'd praise Gameloft if they stayed true to PC/console, as what Indiagames did in their mobile rework of Bioshock, though. Blake Gripling (talk) 10:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit revert on Babylon (software)

Hey, I reverted your edit on Babylon (software), which itself was a reversion of my edit when I classified the article under WP:WikiProject Computer Security. I made a note on the article's talk page, but I also want to make sure there's no misunderstanding. My reasoning is that other browser hijackers are also classified with the malware tag so they can be given attention from the Computer Security project, and Babylon should not be an exception. Thanks. →ozhu量 (talk·contribs) 07:42, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter for 21 August 2013

Both VisualEditor and MediaWiki were upgraded recently. For VisualEditor, this is the long-awaited post-Wikimania update with many bug fixes and enhancements. Work also continues on speed at opening and during use, as well as on the bugs reported here and at other Wikipedias. The full report is at Mediawiki.

References are displaying properly, even when nested (Template:Bug) or in image captions (Template:Bug. Reference lists are now always fully populated with references (bug 50094). Firefox users can insert an existing reference in the first paragraph (Template:Bug). Opera users no longer see corruption of categories when a reference was added (bug 50385).

Stray spaces are being stripped from the start of paragraphs to end one of the common <nowiki> problems (Template:Bug). We also fixed a round-tripping bug that caused desirable whitespace in templates (used to make templates more legible, e.g., by putting each parameter in an infobox on a separate line) to get corrupted (bug 51150).

Wikilink handling was improved. Users are not allowed to create internal links to invalid titles (titles that are actually impossible due to limits on acceptable character combinations in titles, not redlinks) (Template:Bug). You can extend wikilinks, but it won't do so over a wordbreak (like a space) (bugs 49931 and 51463).

A handful of fixes to the user interface were made. The toolbar doesn't float over personal tools after opening a dialog or the inspector (Template:Bug). Toolbars were also re-written to be collapsible/expandable, with room for more icons. Buttons in dialogs can now be activated using the Tab ↹ and ⇧ Shift+Tab ↹ key commands (bug 50047). This saves time for editors, because you don't need to take your hands off the keyboard to click a button. We fixed a handful of bugs that affected only certain articles or certain browsers, including toolbar buttons in Firefox (bug 51986) and dialog panels that didn't always scroll correctly (bug 51739). Bugs with undo/redo getting confused have been fixed (Template:Bug).

Images, in addition to getting references displaying correctly, also saw improvements with a set-empty |link= parameter no longer corrupted (51963). We corrected thumbnail images' display so that they look don't wrong in some contexts (bug 51995). Inserted images no longer explicitly set their alignment, but instead inherit the default position in compliance with the Manual of Style (bug 51851).

More edit notices, warnings, and metadata like information about Pending Changes on an article now appear as appropriate (bug 49699). When new articles are created, users are now shown the <newarticletext> message (bug 51459). VisualEditor now handles templates that set "meta" items (like a category) and nothing else better (bug 51322). If the database is locked when a user tries to save with VisualEditor, they now get a message telling them as such and an opportunity to try again, rather than a silent failure (bug 51636).

When you save the page, having the default preference set to "mark all my edits as minor by default" no longer overrides the setting in the save dialog (bug 51515). If you open VisualEditor from a section edit link, the section's title will be pre-filled in in the edit summary box when you go to save it (bug 50872). The size of the save dialog box in the Monobook skin has been fixed (bug 50058). Also, wikipage content handlers like sortable tables are re-run automatically after saving (Template:Bug).

A very early version of the mathematics equation editor is now available for testing on mw:Mediawiki. If you would like to help improve the user interface for math editor, please test out the extension at mw:Mediawiki:Sandbox and leave your comments directly at the discussion page for the Math Node User Interface at Mediawiki. You should be able to use your regular username and password should to login to Mediawiki.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Misplaced Pages:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Misplaced Pages talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Removal of links from List of build automation software

Hi,

I just noticed that dozens of links have been removed from List of build automation software because "Misplaced Pages is not a link farm". Personally, I'm not that happy with this. Let me explain.

During my PhD on build system technology, I've gathered links to dozens of build tools and environments, and stored them in a personal wiki, since some are very obscure and hard to track using Google. I used this personal wiki until November 2010, when I decided to contribute my collection to wikipedia, since the then available page on build technology was rather empty and many colleagues time after time asked me for links to certain tools.

I was pleasantly surprised when other people started updating the links, adding tools I had missed, re-categorizing them, making a comparative table, etc. Most of these people are developers or other experts who found the content useful for their work. I've also been pointing many researchers and students towards the page, and it also allowed us to put links to research tools and prototypes, to some extent the only way for people without access to ACM or IEEE (i.e., developers, project leads, ...) to get to know those tools. In short, the page was a live, up-to-date listing of build system automation tools, a perfect fit for Misplaced Pages.

However, now all of this seems to be gone, since only the established, popular tools with their own Misplaced Pages page are left. Lesser known tools and newer ones, including the research tools, have been censored out. Where should people now go to see the full list of tools or see a comparison of newer tools to older ones? Do we need to fork the page to another web site, such that there will be two versions (the incomplete wikipedia one and a complete one on a non-encyclopedia site)? Who actually benefits out of this?

So, in short, I don't think this link removal makes any sense for this page, and I would like to ask you to revert this change. Looking forward to your reply.

Bramadams (talk) 03:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi.

Although Misplaced Pages is not a linkfarm, you can contribute those links to DMOZ.org, a programming Wiki or software wiki, like the one on Wikia.com, or one of the programs on Wikiversity or Wikibooks. External link to the page that gets those links is accepted.

However, as for removing those links, I have two very strong reasons beyond just a bureaucratic one:

1. First, Misplaced Pages is run on donation. People already feel very strongly about their tax money being spent on something outside the tax expenditure scope; imagine how they feel if their donation money goes to some very technical contents that only people like you and me (I am a Delphi / C# developer – actually, have been) understand. They call us geeks, remember?
2. Second, contributing specialized contents to Misplaced Pages hinders the growth of venues dedicates to specialized contents. Quality programming web sites were shut down just because Misplaced Pages now hosts those contents ... against its policy too. It is just not fair!

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 04:19, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Sega Genesis

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Question

Hello, I was browsing around and found a few redirect pages like Windows 2005, Windows 2009 and Windows 2013 (they weren't made by you but by some other editor). What purpose do they serve? Personally I do not know anyone anywhere who might refer to Windows 7 as "Windows 2009", not to mention the fact that Google wants me to go to Windows Embedded Standard 2009 page when I try to search for "Windows 2009"... Perhaps these redundant and confusing redirects should be removed completely? What do you think? 173.68.110.16 (talk) 05:10, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I have no idea what purpose they serve. There is no inbound link to them, so I am even surprised that you found them! But view stat says they have some traffic. They can be nominated for deletion, but the nominator must explain their traffic. (It is not a totally barring issue. If the nominator can argue that the traffic is the instance of sending the reader to a wild goose chase...) Perhaps their creator, User:Rgbc2000 would care comment on them? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 05:53, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

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MFC article

Thanks Lisa for cleaning up my changes. --Michael Haephrati (talk) 14:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

IA-32

Maybe talking to that guy helps, Codename. Don't take me wrong: You added four sources and the guy just deleted them and actually adds what needs a source. Too rash for my taste. But still, I'd drop him a talk page message if I were you. Fleet Command (talk) 04:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Just out of curiosity, how comes you got involved? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 04:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

IA-32 is one of the articles that I often link to in my blog, along with x64. So, naturally, I visit it a lot to get my quotes letter by letter right. When I see three sources disappear between my visits in just a minute, you can bet investigate. When I see those sources were not in an area of dispute and were removed just because they were the collateral damage of some guy wanting to hit revert button to make his point, my vein pops and my blood pressure hits real high. Of course I've already told you a good bit of history, so you know why, don't you? Fleet Command (talk) 04:46, 31 August 2013 (UTC)