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This is the talk page for User:W163 (Jeff Ogden).

Elizabeth J. Feinler

As you might have noticed, I went ahead and put her article in the DYK queue. I thought you were looking for another reviewer so I also made some edits. I see you already caught the confusion with the dates in the lead. I tried yet again to reword and hope it is less ambiguous (NIC was at SRI until 1991 but she was not, of course). Also tried to fix up some of the linked articles that are pretty bad still. More tomorrow if we have time. Thanks W Nowicki (talk) 04:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks. Jeff Ogden (talk) 15:16, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Elizabeth J. Feinler

On 19 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Elizabeth J. Feinler, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Elizabeth J. Feinler (pictured), better known as "Jake", ran the Network Information Center of the Internet until 1989? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Internet censorship etc.

Awesome work. You're the man! Melchoir (talk) 08:23, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Internet censorship in Thailand

Nice work on the revisions there--much needed paring and clean-up. Cheers Khazar (talk) 04:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I did my best to pitch in over there, tweaking some grammar, links, and refs. But really you didn't leave much left to be done--again, I'm a fan. It pains me to admit I'm no good at formatting barnstars, but here's my tacky attempt all the same. Feel free to redesign, and thanks! Khazar (talk) 05:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Freedom in the world

Just wanted to thank you for your work on the Freedom in the World page. Very informative. Czolgolz (talk) 22:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

My thanks to both Khazar and Czolgolz. And an extra thanks to Khazar for the Barnstar (my first) and for his updates to the Internet censorship in Thailand article, both are most appreciated. Jeff Ogden (talk) 23:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. Anytime you need a pedantic copy-editor for one of these, feel free to flag me down. Khazar (talk) 01:04, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Liberty
		To User:W163 for his improvements to Misplaced Pages's coverage of Internet censorship, particularly at Internet censorship in Thailand. Khazar (talk) 03:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hail to the editor valiant!

Thanks for your notes on the talk page. I rewrote the section first using the POV material, and then removed the reformed POV material to the talk page. I removed the NPOV tag. Please review my edits, and make corrections as you like.

Cheers, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 23:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome, but since you did most of the work, it is you that deserve the thanks. I read over your changes and they look good. I'll try to do a more detailed review over the next few days. I'm going to be away from computers starting tomorrow and over the weekend and probably won't get to it before then. Jeff Ogden (talk) 18:40, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for updating Press Freedom Index with the 2013 data, great work! ThomasStrohmann (talk) 04:37, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Internet Censorship in Burma

I saw you put up a link for this one and noticed you're expanding it. I don't know to what degree you might be interested in including this, but illegal Internet use is one of the primary charges on which Burmese democratic activists are being locked up (see 88 Generation Students Group, Nilar Thein, etc.), a practice that's gotten coverage in the BBC, NY Times, etc. (see these articles for links). It might be worth working in some of these specific cases, but though I read your Thailand one, I'm not sure what the precedent is for how these articles are usually structured. Anyway, thanks as always for your excellent expansions. Khazar (talk) 17:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Done Khazar, not sure what the precedent is either, but I did something along the lines you suggested. Take a look and feel free to make corrections and other changes. Jeff Ogden (talk) 02:16, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Mystery

Please solve this mystery if you can...

On September 23rd, traffic to Portal:James Bond doubled, and has stayed at the new level since then. I can't figure out what happened.

See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Portal%3AJames_Bond

Traffic to Outline of James Bond stayed the same (though it was at the higher-level already), which leads me to suspect changes made somewhere in Misplaced Pages.

See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Outline%20of%20James_Bond

I'd like to find out what happened, in case it reveals helpful link placement tips that can double the traffic to outlines too!

I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist 23:54, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Outline of the Internet

I've cleaned up the outline a bit, and have further developed its structure. Please take a look to see if you can improve it even more. All feedback, ideas, and advice welcome. Cheers. The Transhumanist 22:44, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Criticism of Google

I see what you did there. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:12, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

But do you like what you see? Jeff Ogden (talk) 02:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

If I'd objected, I would've reverted. ;-) --MZMcBride (talk) 20:16, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Jeff Ogden

It looks like you're signing as "Jeff Ogden". That's fine, but you probably should register the account locally and redirect the user / user talk pages, when you get a chance. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Free speech in the media during the 2011 Libyan civil war

Hello Jeff. I left a comment and some questions at the talk page. My interest is inspired by this AfD. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 17:22, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Internet censorship in Syria

hi, i may be doing something wrong here since im new to editing things on wiki so please help me understand why you keep deleting my contribution to the article "Internet censorship in Syria " and where i am going wrong there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xlantraymon (talk • contribs) 15:06, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Are we talking about the change you made at 7:30 on 4 July 2012? Your change deleted two bits of content that I had added earlier about the CPJ rating Syria the 3rd most censored country in the world and about a report from the EFF. Your edit summary didn't explain why you did that. Your change also reinserted the comment about blocking of the Arabic Misplaced Pages that said "And it has been blocked again after a while" which I had deleted earlier as too vague and unsourced. And you changed the content related to "the-syrian.com" that I had edited earlier. Your changes needed copyediting and the link to the WSJ graphic was not done correctly. I reverted your changes which restored the deleted content. The content about the-syrian.com was kept, but it was edited to fix up the problems and rather than a separate section it was included in chronological order in the History section. It took me two edits to get the-syrian.com link to the WSJ graphic right. So, from my point of view I didn't delete your entire contribution, but edited it to make it better and I restored some content of my own that you deleted. The content about the-syrian.com has two references, but they are both from the the-syrian.com. It would be better if there was a reliable third-party source that could be used to support that section. The link to the WSJ graphic does provide some support, but the WSJ article isnt really about the-syrian.com and so doesn't really allow one to verify the content in any detail. Hope this explains what I was doing. Thanks for asking. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 15:46, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

hi again. sorry if this reply went in the wrong place, as i said im not quite familiar with how u edit things, so when i found that my section about the syrian.com was removed i supposed it could be a sort of vandalism so i went to the history and retrieved what i thought the last copy since i added the section... apparently i did it wrong so apology for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xlantraymon (talk • contribs) 16:07, 5 July 2012 (UTC) (Xlantraymon (talk) 16:09, 5 July 2012 (UTC)).

however the section about the-syrian.com is still missing on the page. i made that section couple of days before i join in with a username, since i thought editing things without registering may have been the cuz to delete that section, can u help restore that ? or let me know how i can post it properly? Xlantraymon (talk) 16:18, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

The information about the-syrian.com is still there, just not as a separate section with its own heading. Instead it is included as a paragraph in the History section. The WSJ graphic is mentioned and there is a link to it in the reference. We can't include the graphic more directly because it belongs to the WSJ and is not a free image available to Misplaced Pages. Editing without registering is OK, but doing that probably makes it more likely for the changes to be deleted when there are problems with them. In general it is better to be registered. And entering good edit summaries that explain what you are changing and why is a good practice too (I don't do that myself as much as I should). --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 16:32, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

my fault again...haha! thank you Xlantraymon (talk) 18:17, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012

In a recent edit to the page nternet censorship in Australia, you changed one or more words or styles from one national variety of English to another. Because Misplaced Pages has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Misplaced Pages articles.

For a subject exclusively related to the United Kingdom (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to another English-speaking country, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the variety of English used there. For an international topic, use the form of English that the original author used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Misplaced Pages articles are written can be found in the Manual of Style. If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on my talk page or visit the help desk. Thank you. Bidgee (talk) 17:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

If you are talking about "organizations" with a "z", that wasn't me. I was just copying and pasting text that was already part of the article as part of reordering sections and reworking the lead. -Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 18:40, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Internet censorship in Vietnam

Hi, that IP that puts citation needed templates on the article has been doing the same thing on numerous other articles that were ALL critical, or in opposition to, the Vietnamese communist regime, to try to doubt the content that was already there in hopes that the content would be deleted by other users. In fact, that IP has been up to severe ongoing vandalism on numerous articles on South Vietnam by calling various people " closeted homosexuals", "Catholic pigs" and other ridiculous nonsense, as well as blanking content critical of Viet communists, like in the Ho Chi Minh and North Vietnam articles. For a few days now, most edits that this IP did were adding citation needed templates everywhere on content that they didn't like, but the content that they put the templates on were all true, and often substantiated and sourced, info. So, if this IP, and any other IPs that begin with the same first 5 or so digits, that were to put such templates on such articles, like this internet censorship article, it would just be more vandalism and disruption, and it would all come from the same person since the 4 IPs that were engaged in the same type of vandalism all began with the same first 5 digits, all supposedly from Los Angeles through AT&T. If these templates were added, appropriately, fairly and as needed, by someone else, I wouldn't have removed it. Nguyen1310 (talk) 21:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

This conversation is continuing over at User talk:Nguyen1310. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 22:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Could you please explain...

Would you please considering returning to Talk:Criticism of Google#Cleanup tag and answering the questions I raised there?

Thanks Geo Swan (talk) 18:15, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Done -Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 22:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

History of the Internet

You said that my comment about the possible first public user was interesting but needed a citation. My post (which was, I think obviously, about me) is based on first person knowledge. I intentionally included some of the detail, and the interesting information, to enhance value and to add authenticity. I have been making the claim, for many years, that I was the "first user of the internet." For 20 years I have done so as with a humorous slant. However, since no one has contradicted me during those 20 years, it appears to be a true statement.

HOWEVER, I am not familiar with Wiki rules and etiquite and I am interested in your thoughts about what "citation" would be necessary to allow the information to stand, pending any truly contrary data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbrower1 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

You might want to look at the Misplaced Pages:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, which among other things says: "Do not edit articles about yourself, your business, your clients, or your competitors" and "Subjects require significant coverage in independent reliable sources". Also, you said "since no one has contradicted me during those 20 years, it appears to be a true statement". But you might also ask if in those 20 years anyone has agreed with you? --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 11:38, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I moved a copy of this discussion over to Talk:History of the Internet#First "public" use of the arpanet/internet?. Please continue the discussion there. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 16:07, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

A pie for you!

You're doing some nice work on cleaning up Reporters Without Borders! Good job, Crtew (talk) 21:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 02:01, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback deployment

Hey W163; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

June 2013

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Done. I did 1 and 2. Will work on 3-5. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 02:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! Thanks so much for your help! — Cirt (talk) 14:57, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much

Thank you very much for joining WP:WikiProject Freedom of speech!! :) — Cirt (talk) 02:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:IRE-IRL

We use commonname in articles, in the lead and infoboxes. This isnt "having it both ways", but an arangement that has come from an Arb-Com ruling, to basically stop the edit wars on Irish related articles, and was amended by the project. There is an on-going discussion on categories, where an admin has asked for clarity on catergory usage. So its not straight forward for anyone not familar with it. The first two points of WP:IRE-IRL clearly indicate what should be used in the lead, and as for the link you summaried with "When the page title is used as the subject of the first sentence, it may appear in a slightly different form, and it may include variations". Murry1975 (talk) 19:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I moved this conversation over to Talk:Internet in the Republic of Ireland page. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 13:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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August 2013

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Fixed. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 14:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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