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Does Commons have it's own governance separate from the WP? Is this a bit excessive, and who is in charge to prevent abuses over there? Thx, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 13:20, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
- Commons, whilst closely allied to Misplaced Pages, is effectively a different project - different rules, different admins, different processes. That said, I think these are definitely out of scope for their purposes, and so they could be deleted. You can tag them for speedy deletion by adding the text string
{{speedydelete|Out of scope}}to the file pages at Commons; your unified login means that you have an account there as well. one of their admins will then be along to remove the files. Yunshui 雲水 07:51, 17 September 2013 (UTC)- Thanks for the explain, Yunshui. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
inre Young Malang
You deleted per the speedy, and the article was recreated as YOUNG MALANG and finally caught my eye when sent to AFD for wider discussion. While the original, apparently written by a newb, lacked sources and used a poor format, it is my conclusion that the topic of that film actually does meet WP:NF through many available sources, even if they were not used. I would ask you to consider returning the original article so we can tag it for improvements. The NEWER version has very little editing history, and far less content. Schmidt, 21:33, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)(Yun's Page's Pet Fish) You mean like a Userfication? MM (Report findings) 22:50, 18 September 2013 (UTC)- No... I was asking for its return to mainspace for regular editing as the topic meets inclusion criteria. In the AFD of the second article the nominator, through the best of intentions, is mis-reading WP:NFF (third paragraph there being most applicable). As the film's production meets WP:GNG and release IS imminent, I am going to undelete it myself and move it to my own userspace to address its lacking sources. And will move it back to mainspace in couple days. Schmidt, 23:22, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- And after moving it to my userspace, I spent some time addressing issues and then simply edited the article now at AFD to fix it up. After an expected keep, the new one with the improper title will simply be moved to the proper title. Schmidt, 09:45, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- You may want to check for copyvios before going ahead with that... I'm pretty sure that the synopsis existed somewhere else first, and the original article creator was blocked (by me) for repeated copyright violations. If you think it's notable - and I'm not arguing that it isn't - then a rewrite from scratch might be the best way to go.
- I've also blocked User:Bull18Designs as a self evident sock of User:WeDesis. Yunshui 雲水 10:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough... but they certainly were not experienced editors. Pretty much as I went through the old version to eliminate the sense of advert, I had to eliminate most of its original content due to copyvio, replacing it with new, but happily found enough sources to meet WP:NF. And too, I have enlisted assistance in sourcing and content from Project India and Project Film. Schmidt, 15:20, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Did you know...
...that after creating your script to add shortcuts to User:Yunshui/To do and User:Yunshui/Tools in the top bar way back when (and adding it to my own scripts for testing), I decided to keep it because they were so useful? I go to the to-do page pretty much every day. I only just remembered today where those links actually came from. So thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- They quickly became my most-clicked links too. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds them useful. Did I give you a barnstar for their creation? Yunshui 雲水 10:33, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- Probably at some point, but it really wasn't that big a deal; as I recall, those were some of the easier scripts I've written. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:53, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help find a resolution. The thread is "Talk page of the article "Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati", Talk page of the editors themselves in discussion about the subject of the article, NeilN, Yunshui, Ihardlythinkso, Myself, Subject.". Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! EarwigBot 08:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)(Mind me chipping in about this to you Yun?) I may have missed something but at the end of the day I think he managed to boil it all down to two sentences. The personal attack bit has left me as clueless as you but nevertheless the damage and debate has already finished so would it really help now? MM (Report findings) 18:17, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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| Here's a barnstar for you, for fighting against vandalism. Bob25062001 (talk) 09:48, 19 September 2013 (UTC) |
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- I don't do it as much as I used to, but thank you - it's nice to be appreciated. Yunshui 雲水 10:47, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Kiyoshi Shiina
Can you please userfy this page again I would like to continue working on it. I have created a userspace here. CrazyAces489 (talk) 16:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)(The Chocolate Bar in the local shop) This one's a pretty round case, moved to user space, put out to an AFC which was then Redirected to the Article space page which is deleted per G4. Since the only concern is sources (sources have come close but they were passing mentions, not significant coverage) i'd say it's worth userfying him it again. Nothing majorly concerning about it.
Oh and CrazyAces, you wouldn't need to worry about creating the user space draft, Yunshui would most likely have checked the deletion log and moved it to the same name as it had previously been userfied to, it was a good thing to do though and i'm sure it will help him. MM (Report findings) 17:18, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- After the page was previously userfied some months ago, you added a single source (Judotree) which failed to provide the requisite in-depth, reliable, independent coverage that the AFD discussion concluded was lacking. I'm not averse to re-userfying the page, but I would first need to know that you had located suitable sources to address the notability issue. If you can provide me with at least one suitable source (that is to say, an independent, reliably published piece that discusses Shiina in some depth) I will happily recreate the page. However, userfication is not an automatic alternative to deletion - you don't get to keep a deleted article indefinitely in userspace on the pretext that it might theoretically be fixable. Yunshui 雲水 19:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
left CrazyAces a talkback message MM (Report findings) 19:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- To be honest. Judo isn't big in the United States, so it would be hard to major coverage even of Olympic level athletes. In the Judo world though, there are a number of people who are significant. In this link you will see him with 2 other people who each have articles on wikipedia. . Shiina was brought to the USA with the help of Jerome Mackey (one of the first people to franchise martial arts) in order to spread Judo. . Rank by itself does not signify notability but Shiina is an 8th degree black belt in Judo who created a large lineage of Judo/BJJ schools including the ones listed and this one and trained national champions and olynpic level cahmpions. He is also an official representative of the USJF . CrazyAces489 (talk) 20:07, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- Believe me, I know what it's like trying to write about martial artists on Misplaced Pages - aikido presents similar problems (there are numerous top-flight aikidoka who are household (dojohold?) names in the aikido community, but who simply haven't had the coverage required for an article here). It's no slight on Shiina's ability, rank or legacy; it's just how Misplaced Pages's inclusion criteria work: ironically his protege Joe Wanag has been written about fairly extensively and so makes the cut. As before, there's nothing in the above sources that meets the requirements ofWP:GNG - I've done my own searches to try and turn up anything that might fit, but I'm afraid I've had no more luck than you. Without at least one in-depth source on Shiina, I can't see this article surviving here, sorry. Yunshui 雲水 20:19, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- To be honest. Judo isn't big in the United States, so it would be hard to major coverage even of Olympic level athletes. In the Judo world though, there are a number of people who are significant. In this link you will see him with 2 other people who each have articles on wikipedia. . Shiina was brought to the USA with the help of Jerome Mackey (one of the first people to franchise martial arts) in order to spread Judo. . Rank by itself does not signify notability but Shiina is an 8th degree black belt in Judo who created a large lineage of Judo/BJJ schools including the ones listed and this one and trained national champions and olynpic level cahmpions. He is also an official representative of the USJF . CrazyAces489 (talk) 20:07, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I totally understand what you're saying. I am not asking at this point to recreate the article. In fact all I wanted was to userfy it and this will allow me to put in more sources as they came along. Additionally, I don't keep articles in userspace for a long while. I am working on a number of articles to prevent automatic deletion. I brought the article to articles for creation because I thought there would be some sort of discussion like there was with articles for deletion. I didn't know it would automatically be put up. You're right about Joe Wanag but he was also an olympian so was already notable even if no article was written about him. CrazyAces489 (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- Ah, what the hell - there's no great harm done by userfying the page, and there's really no need for me to be a dick about it. I've put it back in your userspace for you - just make sure it's got appropriate sources before putting it back. If I find anything suitable, I'll send it your way. Yunshui 雲水 21:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- thank you! :D CrazyAces489 (talk) 22:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- Any opinons on this source? CrazyAces489 (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
- It's a passing mention in a student newspaper (The Oswegonian has a high circulation for such a publication, at around 3500, but it's still nowhere near close to a mainstream media source). I can't see any way that it meets the WP:GNG requirements, I'm afraid. Yunshui 雲水 09:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
- Any opinons on this source? CrazyAces489 (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
- thank you! :D CrazyAces489 (talk) 22:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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Bhati allegations
As you know, as volunteer editors at Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati, we (you, NeilN, and me) have been accused repeatedly of "degrading" both Hridayeshwar (a disabled boy) and his father, "insulting" them, "humiliating" them, "making fun of" them, and even "abusing" them. The accusations have come from the presumed self-identified father (User:Sarower Sigh Bhati) and several were reinforced by the presumed subject (User:Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati) . Many of these false attacking allegations have been personally directed at me. I don't take that kind of blatant and baseless slander lightly ("degrading/making fun of/abusing" a disabled boy). What I'm wondering is, the Misplaced Pages appears to take it lightly, and I'm wondering why that is. (In my mind, that kind of thing should be stomped on at once, via sanction.) p.s. In an unrelated incident, but along this same line of thought, I was also accused by an administrator, User:Drmies, of having a "User page filled with lies". I don't take that kind of slander lightly either, and the fact it came from a WP admin, says something. In general I'm wondering why the WP tolerates this kind of aggressive crap. It's defaming, slanderous, and very not nice. (I'm supposed to let it roll off my back like a duck? These false allegations are a permanent public record here, and anyone with any amount of savvy could track down and associate a RL name to my WP userid.) Thanks for any your thoughts. Sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:25, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
- Civility's a tough one to call - one editor's friendly banter is another's grievous insult - and I think that may well be why the community tends to overlook anything but the most obvious and egregious incivility. The anonymity of the internet doesn't help; people feel free to say stuff online that they'd never utter face-to-face, and as a result one seems to be expected to suck up online abuse that would get you into fistcuffs or worse in the real world. Here, we also have WP:AGF as the continual counter to WP:CIV, which I think increases the leeway available to abusive editors (not that I disagree with the principle of AGF; it's one of the most important policies we have). Thus, historically, Misplaced Pages has always been fairly tolerant of insults (both overt and subtle) and you usually need at least an ANI thread to see any sanctions imposed for such behaviour.
- Naturally I'm not too happy either about being accused of heaping insults and abuse on a disabled kid, especially when I've gone out of my way on a number of occasions to try and help him and his father out as editors (you'll note that I actually created the current iteration of the article, after deleting the unacceptable puff-piece that preceded it - trust me, you'd have had conniptions at that one!). Were I an outsider in this case, I'd probably be reaching for the block button (I can't, of course), but since it seems the editor in question has taken voluntary retirement it may not be necessary to do anything after all. However, as the fellow-recipient of his allegations (which, as any reviewer will have spotted, are not backed up by diffs of any sort), my response is a resounding "meh" - I've come to the conclusion that I can't help these people, and I want nothing more to do with the whole silly fiasco. I accept that you don't want to go down that route yourself, and I'm honestly not sure what the best course of action to suggest might be - you could file an ANI report, but I strongly suspect it would get closed without action (we don't often block for what many editors will see as a very mild personal attack, and the Bhati's appear to have abandoned Misplaced Pages anyway). The other option's an RCU, but frankly, I think that would be a huge time sink to file - I'm sure you have better things to do. As I said, I'm not sure I can suggest anything that will result in you getting satisfaction, although the DRN report might close with some sort of sanctions, depending on which admin gets to it first.
- I know that you're dissatisfied with the admin community here, and at this point I doubt there's much I can say to restore your faith in it. I can't immediately see anything on your userpage that would prompt Drmies accusation, although I guess he might have taken offence at your list of quotes (which I personally see nothing wrong with, but hey, I'm just some guy). Again, I suspect that you won't get much satisfaction from ANI or other avenues of redress, if for no other reason than that you have, to put it bluntly, pissed off a fairly sizable section of the admin corps by now (I don't include myself in that section, by the way).
- In conclusion, yes, crap like this is par for the course on Misplaced Pages. You should see my email inbox someday; a death threat a month is about par for the course for your average admin. Everyone's a dick on the internet. I sympathise, but - on Misplaced Pages at least - accusing someone of lies or malice isn't going to result in sanctions. Whether it should or not is a whole other debate, and one that should take place at the Village Pump or at WT:CIV; the state of play at present, however, is simply that the community is fairly tolerant. I know that's not the way you'd prefer it, but it's like that, and that's the way it is. Yunshui 雲水 12:12, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for your inputs. I s/ have pointed out I lost faith in ANI a long time ago, and would never open any incident there under any circumstance. I have equal distaste for RFCU after perusing a couple examples there. (These matters of slanderous and baseless allegations, IMO, are too serious for the likes of ANI or RFCU (where "anyone can edit"), which are basically run without standards or protocols and create their own new problems of false allegation and smear, which I've seen and experienced too.) As far as your receiving death threats in Emails, if I were you, I'd contact the local police. (That is a felony.)
I wish you wouldn't have wrote that I'm "dissatisfied with the admin community" at WP since that is not true. I do not disparage in groups or think that way. If I've written something to an admin that has pissed them off, then it was a one-to-one thing and I spoke my mind about over a specific point(s) vis-a-vis that admin. The fact admins have admin friends on the WP is well-known without my saying, they often are seen coalescing in their friends-groups planning/talking it up against lowly content contributors like me that have ruffled their God-almighty feathers. That is part of the sick, abusive culture at WP that pre-existed before my arrival here. I'd like to see it gone but of course one person cannot change a culture. So I limit myself to telling an admin what I think if an incident warrants. The fact there is already a thick culture of abuse and admin-friend networks at play guarantees like you said, that I've "pissed off a sizeable ". But that is an exaggeration too counting the total number of admins on WP. (I think I can count on two hands the number I've had clashes with.)
Thanks again for your candid responses, I appreciate, I really do. Sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:48, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
- p.s. It never occurred to me that Drimies may have been referring to my list of collected quotes. (I guess because those quotes are others' not mine, and, several are by Malleus, whom Drmies is friendly with.) If that is what he was referring to then I can feel a whole lot better about his remark (since it doesn't equate to a personal accusation then of "telling lies"). Thanks for that. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 13:14, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
- No, it couldn't have been my list of quotes, because Drmies wrote "Your talk page is full of your lies", and the list of quotes is on my User page, not my Talk. So this is still an accusation from Drmies that I have "told lies", and I can't tell you how much I resent that. (He wrote that without any intent to back up in any objective discussion, so, it amounts to a simple malicious smear. This is the kind of "acceptable culture" WP tolerates in its admins? I guess you have already answered that. But this is admin stuff. I've also been treated ruthlessly by a couple other admins, but, believe it or not I have received distinct apologies from said admins over said treatments. That's at least something.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 13:40, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
- p.p.s. You'll notice if you go to that Drmies post, he invites me to leave WP. This is typical response from over-sensitive admins who cannot seem to tolerate someone questioning them, it is not the first time I've gotten that prickly response from an admin. Another popular prickly response to questioning or criticism: "If you feel that way, take me to ANI then and get me desysopped. Otherwise beat it." This in lieu of contemplating the veracity of the complaint, and a little reflection how they might do better in their adminship. (Two admins, User:Kudpung and User:Ched, basically told me in separate incidents that if I had complaints about any admin, then I should either go for RfA myself, or shut up. This kind of knee-jerk responses, inviting users to leave WP if they "don't like it", rather than do their part to change the culture by one of the drops in the bucket of an individual situation and their individual response, is as they say on WP "not helpful" and falls into some kind of degraded argumentation tier on the color chart of good arguments. That is elementary. So why these defensive responses from adims? Maybe they are burnt out!? Maybe they get all immature when questioned because they are not used to being questioned? We hear all the time how the admin staff feel they are the ones "abused", but, how often do you see one turn over their bit to escape that environment into the fold of a common content editor, if it is even true at all?) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 13:53, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for your inputs. I s/ have pointed out I lost faith in ANI a long time ago, and would never open any incident there under any circumstance. I have equal distaste for RFCU after perusing a couple examples there. (These matters of slanderous and baseless allegations, IMO, are too serious for the likes of ANI or RFCU (where "anyone can edit"), which are basically run without standards or protocols and create their own new problems of false allegation and smear, which I've seen and experienced too.) As far as your receiving death threats in Emails, if I were you, I'd contact the local police. (That is a felony.)
- I'm sorry for misrepresenting your views on admins - I should have remembered that you're not the type to lump editors (or anything else) together in a homogeneous group.
- I really don't know the history between Drmies and yourself - if it's advice you're after, then I'd suggest simply steering clear of him. It's a big wiki, after all. I've generally been on pretty good terms with Drmies myself (leastways I can't remember getting into any spats with him), but he's got a fairly no-nonsense attitude and I can see how that may have escalated things. Sometimes, folk just happen to rub each other up the wrong way, especially on the internet: chances are that if you two met in person you might get on fairly well.
- Don't leave Misplaced Pages, though; there are only a few other editors with the same dedication to the board games project, and it would be a great shame to lose you. I'd say you might benefit from dropping out of discussions a little sooner sometimes, but then we wouldn't have your voice in the Bhati furore (despite dewatchlisting the page, I got a ping from an old SPI and saw that yet another account - Hridayeshwar's mother? - seems to have stepped into the fray, making the same silly claims as previous incarnations), and that would have meant more pressure on NeilN and yours truly to refute the broken record of child prodigy-ness. (Just NeilN, now, of course; I've no patience for pursuing that particular mess any further). If you'd have an easier time in discussions (I don't class the Bhati thing as a discussion, it's just an SPA pile-on), then I'd recommend taking time to try and look through any insults or insinuations to discern the other editor's actual arguments, and addressing only those. However, whilst that's my own approach I realise that not everyone is willing or able to mentally edit out any vitriol directed their way. I'm sad that these events decrease your enjoyment of Misplaced Pages, and I hope that you'll continue to contribute regardless. Yunshui 雲水 09:36, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
- Thx for your comments. It's not a matter of my steering clear of Drmies, that's easy enough to do, it is just that the accusation of me lying is something I won't find easy to forget, so if he wanted to create a Wiki-lifetime adversarial relationship, he's shown how efficient he can be about it. (What a baby. There was nothing preventing him from answering my Q w/ honest answer, except himself. You say he has "no-nonsense attitude", as WP editor I'd trim that to simply "attitude".) I understand your dropping out of Bhati article, I felt the same too, but did you know Bbb23 made some blocks!? (It made me feel better about contributing, since as you know I thought sanctions were overdue. Your and Neil's and Abecedare's objective participations have also impressed me and made me feel quite good about being WP editor, at least more than before. So thx again for that.) Cheers, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:33, 23 September 2013 (UTC) p.s. One thing about collecting enemies around here I've observed, is that depending who you are, if you have a clash w/ admin 'A', and admin 'A' has admin friends 'B', 'C', and 'D', you start to receive shit-treatment from 'B', 'C', and 'D' even though you've never had any direct contact w/ them. Smart people don't do that. (For example, take Malleus. He has an open mind with anyone and if he judges someone, it's based on his experience with them. He reminds me of George Carlin in that respect, who personalized every autograph he ever gave. Carlin distrusted institutions and groups, but adored an individual, unless they'd give him reason otherwise. Everyone should be like Malleus and Carlin -- the baddies would get their due, the civil people would live in harmony, and the world would make more sense . But these are advanced people. But everyone should endeavor to be that same way.) Cheers, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:33, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
- Good to know Bbb23's on the case - hopefully the whole thing can be put to bed in the not too distant future. And I agree with you wholeheartedly as regards Eric and George (that sounds rather like a 1950s comedy pairing... I for one would have paid to see The Eric and George Show) - for myself, I try to deal with everyone based on what I see them doing, rather than who I see them doing it with. Yunshui 雲水 11:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
- I guess I'm looking for advice at this point ... I was able to flesh out the rules to the Bhati 6-player game based on (primary source) info from Bhati's website. So that changes things for me, in the respect that mention of the game might no longer be inappriopriate in Chess variant article, which I initially opposed. (It's still true there are no source refs with focus on the game itself, only its inventor and the associated human-interest story of a young, disabled boy inventing and receiving patent. But in fleshing out the rules it's given me a grip on the fact the variant is legitimate and playable, and I guess I'd like to see it included in the Chess variant article list at this point on that basis, and I'm wondering if all the media coverage on the human interest end might suffice for or equate to "attention on game", even though the coverage of the game itself (rules) is lite, but then again not totally non-existent. (A recent ref gave at least some part of the rules, which I guess stimulated me to filling in the blanks from the primary source website.) I'm thinking a stand-alone article on the game is still not justified (insufficient notability refs on the game itself), but inclusion in Chess variant list is, with a wlink to the rules section of the BLP. (In fact I dunno even if developing the rules section in the BLP was appropriate or not ... but I did it anyway.) Let me know what you think. Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2013 (UTC) p.s. I could also see a "See also" ref in article Circular chess to the Game rules section of the Bhati BLP, for same reasons.
- A "See also" section in Circular chess would make sense to me. I'm a little more hesitant about adding 6-way chess to the Chess variants list, purely because to the best of my awareness, there's no record of anyone actually playing it. The design is patented, but it doesn't seem to have been put into production, as far as I can tell. That said, if you feel it's worth including there then I'm not going to argue; I'd consider the articles about Bhati himself to be at least potential sources for the game as well.
- Nice work expanding the ruleset; I see you also had some good advice for the designer as well! Yunshui 雲水 07:57, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
- I think you're right ... the game is too new to have any real experience base or writeups re playing it (or it having been played). So it's in that sense "theoretical" really, and in fact they (father & son) may find they have some rule adjustments needing to be made. (What's there is pretty good though, and shows significant thought.) I'll add the "See also" at the Circular article pointing to the "Game rules" section of Bhati's BLP, I think that's good like you suggested. Thx & sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 08:08, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
- I guess I'm looking for advice at this point ... I was able to flesh out the rules to the Bhati 6-player game based on (primary source) info from Bhati's website. So that changes things for me, in the respect that mention of the game might no longer be inappriopriate in Chess variant article, which I initially opposed. (It's still true there are no source refs with focus on the game itself, only its inventor and the associated human-interest story of a young, disabled boy inventing and receiving patent. But in fleshing out the rules it's given me a grip on the fact the variant is legitimate and playable, and I guess I'd like to see it included in the Chess variant article list at this point on that basis, and I'm wondering if all the media coverage on the human interest end might suffice for or equate to "attention on game", even though the coverage of the game itself (rules) is lite, but then again not totally non-existent. (A recent ref gave at least some part of the rules, which I guess stimulated me to filling in the blanks from the primary source website.) I'm thinking a stand-alone article on the game is still not justified (insufficient notability refs on the game itself), but inclusion in Chess variant list is, with a wlink to the rules section of the BLP. (In fact I dunno even if developing the rules section in the BLP was appropriate or not ... but I did it anyway.) Let me know what you think. Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2013 (UTC) p.s. I could also see a "See also" ref in article Circular chess to the Game rules section of the Bhati BLP, for same reasons.
- Good to know Bbb23's on the case - hopefully the whole thing can be put to bed in the not too distant future. And I agree with you wholeheartedly as regards Eric and George (that sounds rather like a 1950s comedy pairing... I for one would have paid to see The Eric and George Show) - for myself, I try to deal with everyone based on what I see them doing, rather than who I see them doing it with. Yunshui 雲水 11:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
- Thx for your comments. It's not a matter of my steering clear of Drmies, that's easy enough to do, it is just that the accusation of me lying is something I won't find easy to forget, so if he wanted to create a Wiki-lifetime adversarial relationship, he's shown how efficient he can be about it. (What a baby. There was nothing preventing him from answering my Q w/ honest answer, except himself. You say he has "no-nonsense attitude", as WP editor I'd trim that to simply "attitude".) I understand your dropping out of Bhati article, I felt the same too, but did you know Bbb23 made some blocks!? (It made me feel better about contributing, since as you know I thought sanctions were overdue. Your and Neil's and Abecedare's objective participations have also impressed me and made me feel quite good about being WP editor, at least more than before. So thx again for that.) Cheers, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:33, 23 September 2013 (UTC) p.s. One thing about collecting enemies around here I've observed, is that depending who you are, if you have a clash w/ admin 'A', and admin 'A' has admin friends 'B', 'C', and 'D', you start to receive shit-treatment from 'B', 'C', and 'D' even though you've never had any direct contact w/ them. Smart people don't do that. (For example, take Malleus. He has an open mind with anyone and if he judges someone, it's based on his experience with them. He reminds me of George Carlin in that respect, who personalized every autograph he ever gave. Carlin distrusted institutions and groups, but adored an individual, unless they'd give him reason otherwise. Everyone should be like Malleus and Carlin -- the baddies would get their due, the civil people would live in harmony, and the world would make more sense . But these are advanced people. But everyone should endeavor to be that same way.) Cheers, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:33, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
CVA Student?
Hey, I noticed you were a "tutor" at the CVA. Would you be willing to accept me? I have used STiki for a while, but I'd just like the extra reinforcement of having a more experienced editor help me learn about vandalism. Thanks! Miszatomic | Leave a message 20:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
- Can do. If you want to take the formal route, I suggest you kick off by going here, creating a copy a copy for yourself by following the instructions under "Your first task", and then removing all the sections apart from "Vandals" from your copy. You've then got a stripped down version of my adoption school which relates only to vandalism; completing the tasks there will qualify you as a CVUA graduate. It's not obligatory, though; if you're just after some advice and pointers we can do that too. From a (necessarily) brief glance at your talkpage it looks as though you've made one or two errors with STiki in the past; we can take those as a starting point for discussion if you'd like. Welcome on board; I look forward to seeing you trouncing vandalism with the best of them before very long. Yunshui 雲水 21:08, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Bonkers
I've endorsed your proposal to unblock. Did you think I was an admin? ;-) Ritchie333 08:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
- I did, actually. Why aren't you? We need all the help we can get! Yunshui 雲水 12:10, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
- I think I wanted to wait until I had a very obvious chance of passing an RfA. While (AFAIK) I've never deliberately personally attacked anyone, I occasionally do straight and blunt talking to people (example from today, example from a month or two ago), and in an RfA I would mention that up-front, which could cause some people to oppose due to being incivil. Still, I know one other admin who's asked me, so if you feel it's a goer and you can find a co-nominator (I'd suggest Huon), I don't see what harm there is giving it a go. Ritchie333 15:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Richie's not an admin? Ho well this is my first bit of learning for the day (12:25AM). MM (Report findings) 23:27, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you
Thanks for reviewing my first substantive edit on Misplaced Pages. AugurNZ ✐⌕ 04:34, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
The Signpost: 25 September 2013
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Sandbox Advice / Copyrights
Hello, Thank you for raising the issue of copyright infringement, but I was in the process of reworking the Vogue article for a class project. The unsourced reference was as I had copied it from the existing article, and I had not yet rooted out all of the unsourced content. I was under the impression that the sandbox was a safe place to construct material in progress, but if not, could you direct me the best way to continue to work on content? Thank you Hec44 (talk) 22:23, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Hec44. I think I may have done you a disservice - I've since realised that the text in your sandbox that I found to be a copyright violation was in fact entirely the text taken from the Vogue (magazine) article. I'll restore your sandbox page after writing this message, and my apologies for freaking you out like that. Technically you are committing a copyright violation of sorts (see Copying within Misplaced Pages), but we're fairly lenient about that (attribution is fairly easy to fix after the fact). Now, of course, I have to work out whether the book has been copied from Misplaced Pages or the other way round... going to be a fun evening. Sorry again for the inconvenience. Yunshui 雲水 22:38, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- Well, that didn't take long; turns out Hombach's book copied text from Misplaced Pages, rather than the other way around (the section in question appeared in Misplaced Pages back in 2009, before his book was printed). And that, ladies and gents, is why self-publishers are not reliable sources. Yunshui 雲水 22:54, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- That is really interesting, I was all ready to source the book. Thanks for searching that out, and the cupcake =) Is there a program you might be familiar with to run the rest of the article through to look for missing sources? I'd like to try to catch any sneaky ones that may not have gotten their due diligence. Also thanks for bringing up Copying within Misplaced Pages, I'll be sure to reference back to the original article to keep the page up to snuff. Best, Hec44 (talk) 01:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
- To the best of my knowledge we don't have an automated tool that will check for missing sources, although you can locate all articles that have been tagged as needing referencing at Category:Articles lacking sources. The verifiability policy, if you haven't already seen it, explains what sort of statements specifically need sources; that might help you a bit. Yunshui 雲水 12:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
- That is really interesting, I was all ready to source the book. Thanks for searching that out, and the cupcake =) Is there a program you might be familiar with to run the rest of the article through to look for missing sources? I'd like to try to catch any sneaky ones that may not have gotten their due diligence. Also thanks for bringing up Copying within Misplaced Pages, I'll be sure to reference back to the original article to keep the page up to snuff. Best, Hec44 (talk) 01:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Sandbox moves
Hello again. I'm feeling really old and Alzheimery these days. But I can't remember how to move my articles out of my Userspace OR out of my Sandbox. "John Esten Park" is stuck in my Sandbox and I'm afraid to leave the page. Can you just Publish for me and then I can easily edit it, mostly added the references. And "Texas FM 466" is stuck in my User space. I hit " Save page" but that doesn't Publish, it just saves. Let me out of here! (I find Wizard to be gobbledygook.) Well, right now I'm gonna smoke some therapeutic weed and go to sleep. Well, go to sleep for sure. Thanks for your help. WoodyinNYC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WoodyinNYC (talk • contribs) 03:21, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
- Moving pages is actually pretty straightforward (instructions are here, though I'm happy to do it for you if you aren't comfortable going it alone). I'd shift both of these for you, but to be perfectly honest the sandbox draft isn't quite ready for mainspace yet, and would almost certainly be deleted in short order if it was found there. It's in critical need of references - it currently doesn't have any, and without them, Dr Park's not going to be considered notable enough for an article. You need a minimum of two - preferably more - reliable sources which discuss the man in detail, and which verify statements made within the article. If you can find these, let me know the URLs and I'll be happy to do the work of formatting them into the draft for you.
- To be honest, the Texas FM 466 entry could use more references as well, but it's probably got enough to save it from speedy deletion. I'll move it to Texas FM 466; let me know if you'd prefer a different title. Yunshui 雲水 12:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Maissiat (singer)
Thanks for what you do for our encyclopaedia. I created the page Maissiat (singer) ; and I would really appreciate if you could restore it, so that I can add on it more information and make it meet the required criteria. Thanks! Sepal V. Gamet (talk) 09:27, 29 September 2013 (UTC).
- Given that the only text on the page was, "Amandine Maissiat (1982-), known under the artist name of Maissiat, is a French singer", and referencing only the artist's website, there honestly doesn't seem much point in restoring it. If you can find a few independent sources that provide some in-depth coverage of Maissiat, then I'll happily put it back, but I see no immediate indications that she meets our guidelines for inclusion for musicians. Yunshui 雲水 12:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Please would you take a moment...
to look at Special:Contributions/Nivedita_tiwari where a newish user is creating articles within the topic Advertising that appear to be created so fast and in such detail that I suspect copyright violations. The editor appears to come form a part of the world where such styles of addition to Misplaced Pages are more common. I feel you may have the corrects skills to help them understand our policies. Fiddle Faddle 11:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- Looks worrying similar to the works created by User:Deesha.chheda and User:Disha.c, whom I assumed to be sockpuppets. Either we've got a more prolific socker on our hands than I at first thought, or we've got yet another influx of ill-prepared students whose teacher hasn't taken the time to prepare them properly. Oh joy... Yunshui 雲水 12:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- It looks like the latter. Do you have a template that you use on their talk pages? Nice wording off the top of your head otherwise :) Fiddle Faddle 13:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- I've left a similar message for all the students that I've identified so far - if you see any more new articles like this pop up, feel free to use my wording to leave the creators a message (not a template; I've just seen this sort of thing before - more times than I'd care to). And if you do happen to find out or work out their tutor's account name, let me know; I'd like a word with them... Yunshui 雲水 13:04, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- It looks like the latter. Do you have a template that you use on their talk pages? Nice wording off the top of your head otherwise :) Fiddle Faddle 13:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
You deleted Leopold's of london as a hoax g3
Im sorry. But I can put the "legend of" in the title. It is a tale that has been passed down. I have no references on it. But it is there you know. I dont know why you would delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imfindi (talk • contribs) 12:45, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- Because, as you so correctly point out, you have no references for it. You cannot create pages on Misplaced Pages which are not supported by reliable, third-party references. Unless you can provide such references, you may not recreate the article. Yunshui 雲水 12:47, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Librello deleted
Dear Yunshui, you have deleted the entry of Librello publishing with out reviewing previous talks where information is provided on the Legitimacy of the company and the importance of the new model of business to open access publishing companies. I will greatly appreciate if next time, more feedback is provided on how to write a proper Misplaced Pages entry instead of just deleting new information, just to mention that a good feedback is more than just a link to a rule, a good feedback can include examples and good practices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josille1 (talk • contribs) 13:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) you have the information already at the head of your talk page in the welcome message. Perhaps you missed it? Please allow me to point you at it. The welcome message is there to guide you in all matters about Misplaced Pages. I hope you find it useful and read it before attempting to create further articles. We want articles here, we really do, and we wan them to be of a high standard. Fiddle Faddle 13:39, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- I did in fact review the "previous talks" (I assume you're referring to your comments on earlier versions of the article's talkpage), but in both those statements and the ones on the present version of the page you have yet to demonstrate that Librello is notable by Misplaced Pages's standards. This requires - as you have already been told - multiple, independent, reliable sources that discuss the topic. In this case, you have only one non-independent source (CLOCKSS) and one unreliable one (a forum thread); neither of these is suitable. Much as you may dislike being pointed at rules and policies, they exist for a reason; please take the time to read at least the basic content and sourcing policies (verifiability, notability and reliability) before contributing further. If you can't manage even that, then please take thirty seconds to read WP:42, which concisely explains exactly what is needed to disqualify an article from speedy deletion under Criterion A7: Non-notable subject. Yunshui 雲水 21:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Copyright violations
Just wanted request that you revert the deletion of the text on the student's sandbox whom you suspected copyright violation. Instead, if you could give the student some guidance on what they could do instead to overcome the problem you discovered in the article, that would be very useful. Also, remember that long policy pages are hard to decipher, especially for new editors, so if you could explain to them what they could do in plain language that would be very appreciated. THANK YOU!!! LeshedInstructor (talk) 14:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- Already done; I restored the page yesterday as soon as I established that the copyright violation went the other way. Yunshui 雲水 21:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank You !!
谢谢 / Xièxiè / Thank You 
, for the help !! ← Abstruce 02:57, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
- You're welcome, although I confess I'm not actually sure what I've helped you with... Yunshui 雲水 07:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
- It says: "18:51, 30 September 2013 Yunshui (talk | contribs) deleted page User:Abstruce (U1: User request to delete pages in own userspace)" Xièxiè !! ← Abstruce 14:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
- Oh - well then, I'm glad I could help. Admins like U1 deletions: they're almost never controversial and sometimes you even get nice thank you messages! Yunshui 雲水 23:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Talkback
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Hello! I would like to contest deleting the essential magic conference page.
This is a page to inform and educate people about magic and one of it's major events in history. It will contain valuable sources to attest its content.
Best regards,
Ana Queiroz --AMASQ (talk) 15:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages has specific guidelines regarding what can and cannot be included in the encyclopedia. Foremost among these is that all entries must be "notable"; that is to say, they must have received substantial, in-depth coverage in multiple, reliable sources which are independent of the topic under discussion. In the case of the article you created, no sources were provided to evidence this - another fundamental Misplaced Pages policy states that all information on Misplaced Pages must be supported by reliable sources.
- If you are able to provide sources which demonstrate the requisite degrees of in-depth coverage, reliability, and independence, then I will be happy to reinstate the page. Unless you can show the existence of such sources, however, this looks to me remarkably like an attempt to promote the conference by increasing its web presence, and that is emphatically not the purpose of Misplaced Pages. Yunshui 雲水 14:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
The page was still being put together at the time it was deleted. The Conference is actually over, 2012 was it's last year and I have no intention to promote it for profit. In order to attest it's historical value here is the link for the article published by the renowned Magic Magazine http://www.scribd.com/doc/172444244/THE-ESSENTIAL-MAGIC-CONFERENCE Please kindly undo this delete. --AMASQ (talk) 15:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
- Based on the provision of the above source I have reinstated the page; I've also trimmed the promotional language and added the Magic Magazine article as a reference. The page is still unliklely to survive in article mainspace (more references are needed); if you would like me to move it to a sandbox so that you can work on it please let me know. Yunshui 雲水 22:58, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
The article in question, published by a respectful and well established independent magazine (as MAGIC magazine is) was kindly send out to attest to the importance of EMC in the most explicit and detailed way. Having no place for The Essential Magic Conference in Misplaced Pages is in a parallel sphere regarding Magic History equal to say Woodstock has no place in Misplaced Pages regarding Music History. The purpose of all of this is to include an important piece of Magic History into Misplaced Pages and contributing to it's inner core pedagogical purpose of all knowledge being available for everyone and everyone helping to built Misplaced Pages. There was not enough time to complete the article. It was quickly deleted once it was created. Hopefully it will be possible to complete and improve it, as well as having removed this deletion banner. The EMC was a groundbreaking event in Magic History and the 3 years it took place it was supported and had the participation of all great minds and artists of the magic world. The purpose of creating this Misplaced Pages page is only to share it's historical importance with everyone.
Please move this page to a sandbox so I can carefully improve it. Thank you. --AMASQ (talk) 00:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
- Done; it's now at User:AMASQ /Essential Magic Conference. You can work on it there without fear of interruption; let me know when you think it's ready and I'll be happy to review it for you. Alternatively, you can add the code
{{subst:submit}}to the top of the draft, which will submit it for review at Articles for Creation. I'll aslo post a link to the sandbox on your userpage, so that you can access it easily. Yunshui 雲水 07:37, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Barnstar of Good Humor |
| I pray you aren't studying to be a dentist - you won't knock out many patients with antiseptic.. in the Adoption School.
I never get tired of your sense of humor Yun. I never do. As for those students being mentioned on your talk page on the 30th how did that go? Is that still an 'open' case? I'd like to chip in if I can. MM (Report findings) 15:45, 3 October 2013 (UTC) |