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Possible nomination for a GA article for FA status.

Hi Richwales. Your user page seems to indicate a faith-oriented background which may provide good editing experience for related articles. I am thinking of recommending a page upgrade for a GA article to FA article status which may involve the reading of one book review if this might be possible for you. The book is the popularly received "Evil and the God of Love". Any possible interest? AutoJellinek (talk) 18:04, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

I might be. At least, I'm willing to look at the book review. Do I understand (from your similar postings on other people's talk pages) that this book review is online somewhere? — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 18:40, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Richwales. With appreciation for your quick response. If you have JSTOR available at your library then there are two book reviews available on-line: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/40021034.pdf?&acceptTC=true&jpdConfirm=true This is for Prof. Puccetti's essay titled "The Loving God" in the journal titled "Religious Studies", Vol 2, No. 2, Apr, 1967, p255. A second book review is also on JSTOR and is by Stanley Kane titled "The Failure of Soul-Making" in the Int'l Journal of Philos, Spr. 1975, p1. Also, I noticed that Amazon books currently has a free twenty page preview available of the book itself and that might be easily accessible as well. Possibly you could let me know what you think? AutoJellinek (talk) 14:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I've been tied up with other things, but I'll see to this soon. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 14:35, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Richwales. Only a short update from last week. If you have had a chance to look at the review above, then maybe the FA review for the wikipage "Ireneaen theodicy" can start. Of the two choices now, if you think its ready to nominate it for FA status, then i will put {{subst:FAC}} on the top of the article's talk page, fill out the "initiate this review" form, then i'll put {{Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/name of nominated article/archiveNumber}} (with the appropriate name and number filled in) at the top of the list on WP:FAC. You can then put your reviewer/edit comments there. Otherwise, if you'd prefer to see a "formal" peer review first, WP:PR is the place i will go first. Any preference for option one or option two? AutoJellinek (talk) 17:47, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I did have a chance just now to skim through the Stanley Kane review, and I think this topic is going to require more intensive study than I have time for. I'm sorry that I'm not going to be able to give you much in the way of detailed feedback after all. As for whether the Irenaean theodicy article is ready for Featured Article nomination at this time, my superficial reaction is that the article seems to devote much more space to later developments inspired by, and other philosophers' reactions to, Irenaeus' work, whereas I would want a comprehensive article on this subject to concentrate primarily on Irenaeus' work itself and the processes in his life which led him to take his stance on the subject. But, in any case, I'm not an expert in this area of philosophy, so I think you would be better off at this point getting feedback (via a peer review) from people who are better read in this subject area. Sorry this probably isn't what you were hoping for, but I think it's the best I can honestly offer. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 18:44, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Richwales. Your comment-feedback above was actually quite useful to the review process. After reading it, i realized that i did not mention that this wikipage is actually a companion page to another wikipage which is already at FA status called "Augustinian theodicy". To me it looked like this was a type of parity issue of putting in a good effort to get the GA "Ireneaus theodicy" page into an assessment comparable to the FA "Augustine theodicy" version. Everyone seems to think that a Talk Page version of the peer review evaluation with invited comments might be preferable at this time. If of interest, it would be interesting to hear if you can guess why the "Augustine theodicy" held up to FA criticism, even though "Irenaeus theodicy" only got to GA status, especially since your comments above are convincing in their statement to me. A short comment is fine if your other projects will not allow you the extra time to glance at the "Augustine theodicy" page. Thanks for the feedback already given above! AutoJellinek (talk) 21:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

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Dead link- australian

Previously you stated the burden of proof is on the posting editor. If the australian is a dead link and cant be found by three powerful search engines why not remove the citation and the information until the citation is verifiable. My understanding of BLP rules state that all sources have to be verifiable.MrTownCar (talk) 18:33, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I've managed to find the 2007 article from The Australian on LexisNexis, and it does say most of the things for which it is cited as a source. I will update the citation of this source to include relevant quotations therefrom. I will note that the article from The Australian does not say that JMS's group "is seen as a serious problem in Korea and Japan"; and although the article does call Jung "the founder of one of Asia's most notorious cults", this statement is pretty obviously an expression of opinion and not an objectively factual statement. Hence, I believe the last sentence currently in the article ought to be removed.

When you add or modify material in an article, you need to be careful to avoid starting a line of wikitext with a space. The change you made in the "Jung's teaching" section is mostly unreadable because when you took out a phrase you didn't like, you left a space at the start of the line.

You cannot remove a paragraph (the one stating that Jung was involved with the Unification Church from 1975 to 1978) simply because you disagree with it, especially if that paragraph is substantiated by a source that can be presumed to be reliable. It might be reasonable to qualify the Unification Church claim by mentioning the author of the cited paper in the article's text — possibly something like this: "According to Yoshihide Sakurai, a professor of sociology at Hokkaido University, ...." And it may also be appropriate to seek a quotation from Sakurai's paper substantiating the statement that Jung was raised a Christian (since this point is not covered in the existing quotation). But simply removing the paragraph plus its source, with no justification other than an edit summary saying "Jung was never part of Unification Church", is (in my opinion) not acceptable, even per the BLP policy. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 19:05, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I have added more material about the article from The Australian. I also fixed the extra space you inadvertently left on one line. I would strongly encourage you, by the way, to use the "Show preview" button while editing; this will let you see what the article is going to look like before you actually go ahead and save your changes.

I will also mention that changing the lead section to say that Jung left South Korea "for a prolonged missions trip" is, IMO, not supported by the sources, which strongly indicate that Jung fled South Korea to escape prosecution. I will be changing this back. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 19:17, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

THere is a MAJOR inconsitency which is being glossed over. In the current version it says Jung fled in 1999 implying he was a fugitive at that time. elsewhere it says formal charges were brought in 2001. How can he "flee" two years before charges are brought?MrTownCar (talk) 02:11, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't know the details of South Korea's judicial procedures, but I see no inherent contradiction here because I assume someone could easily be under suspicion, could be the object of investigations, etc., before the official laying of formal charges. I do not see this as a sufficient reason to discount all the sources which are saying that Jung went underground, moving from one country to another, etc. for the purpose of avoiding prosecution. If you want the article to say there is a contradiction here, or to dismiss sources that otherwise would appear reliable because you think this point is a fatal flaw, then you need to find (and discuss) a reliable source which proposes the contradiction — you can't draw that conclusion yourself and force the article to assert a contradiction on your say-so, that's a violation of the No Synthesis part of the No Original Research policy. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 02:39, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I would like to request, again, that discussions about Jung Myung Seok or Providence should take place on the article's talk page. If you post more comments about this subject here (on my talk page), I will consider that you have given me permission to copy those comments to the article's talk page. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 05:29, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Civil government

MR WALES I published the information on the min jung publisher/address on the talk page for Jung Myung Seok article. Can you tell me who was involved in the concensus process and where that is recorded so I may review it? I dont see it on the talk page. MrTownCar (talk) 20:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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MR WALES

PLEASE FIND LINK ABOVE YOUR LAST POST ON TALK PAGE.

THANK YOU FOR KEEPING AN OPEN MIND AND GETTING OUTSIDE HELP FROM AN APPARENT NEUTRAL KOREAN SPEAKING INDIVIDUAL.MrTownCar (talk) 01:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Civil Governement article translation

As Sam Sailor suggested I will provide the translation for the Civil Goverment article as soon as I can get to it with help from a native speaker.MrTownCar (talk) 03:59, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Just saying Hi

Hello Rich. How are you?

Just wanted to say hi. I've changed my username to Jaqeli and wanted to let you know also about this. GJ. Jaqeli (talk) 23:48, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

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Mr Wales

In the JMS article citations 26 and 36 quote an anonymous victim and lawyer respectively to make a specific claim or analysis. These statements are not properly vetted. As I understand BLP rules statements have to be verifiable. If the statement made is only traceable to an unnamed person in a citation albeit a bonfide media outlet than it is not reliable and not verifiable and should not be included in the wikipedia article. I would value your input.MrTownCar (talk) 03:51, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

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