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Hey, guys, I just changed the bit saying it stretched from the Atlantic to Judaea to ] (then the Byzantine ]) as this was further east than Judaea and was the eastern limit for a good 500 years. But should we put ]? Since that technically was the eastern limit, albeit for a relatively shorter time? Thanks. <font color="Goldenrod">]</font><b>(</b><sup><font color="purple">]</font></sup><big><font color="purple"></font></big><b>)</b> 21:44, 15 October 2013 (UTC) Hey, guys, I just changed the bit saying it stretched from the Atlantic to Judaea to ] (then the Byzantine ]) as this was further east than Judaea and was the eastern limit for a good 500 years. But should we put ]? Since that technically was the eastern limit, albeit for a relatively shorter time? Thanks. <font color="Goldenrod">]</font><b>(</b><sup><font color="purple">]</font></sup><big><font color="purple"></font></big><b>)</b> 21:44, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
::'''EDIT''' Also, ] was amalgamated into ] in the mid second cetury. <font color="Goldenrod">]</font><b>(</b><sup><font color="purple">]</font></sup><big><font color="purple"></font></big><b>)</b> 21:47, 15 October 2013 (UTC) ::'''EDIT''' Also, ] was amalgamated into ] in the mid second cetury. <font color="Goldenrod">]</font><b>(</b><sup><font color="purple">]</font></sup><big><font color="purple"></font></big><b>)</b> 21:47, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

== dates ==

I can't find a guideline on BC vs.BCE. Seems like BCE would be more appropriate. ] (]) 19:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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Edit request from , 9 November 2011

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Some of the information on this page is incorrect. I have studied Ancient Rome for years and am highly knowledgeable of this topic and would like to help out by making sure you have a reliable source. thanks

Spookywonder (talk) 03:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 21:57, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

wrong

this is all wrong! idk what u no bout rome but ik a lot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.81.76 (talk) 22:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Grammar mistakes in the second sentence of the section "Fall of the Roman Empire"

Christian values, which were centered in a heaven on afterlife, were responsible for making Romans less warlike and to don’t risk their lives for the country – in total opposition to the old and traditional Roman values.

changed. Alexandre8 (talk) 04:28, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Reasons for my This section needs additional citations for verification.

Apologies for not entering the discussion forum at the time I made this change. This is an important article and gives a much needed base from which to explore Roman Civilization. I thank those contributors who have done such a great job in putting this together. I have been editing grammar etc., as I can see that some hard working contributors don't have English as their first language. I applaude your work and am more than happy to fix grammer. I have been concerned that some important statements are not supported by references. E.g. "Sulla also held two dictatorships and one more consulship which established the crisis and decline of Roman Republic." I do not claim to be an expert in this area, which is why I would like to able to follow a reference to support the statement. I stress, I am not critising contributors and chose the above example at random. Given the work put into this article, it deserves to be of the highest standard. Proxxt (talk) 09:00, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Caesar and the First Triumvirate - Spelling error correction request.

At this time the strife between populares and optimates increased, and they eacj wanted a strong new man to lead the Roman Republic - with some internal oppositions to this in the optimates party, namely Cicero and Cato the Younger. eacj should = each --Artofscripting (talk) 18:53, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I've corrected it. Proxxt (talk) 06:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Chronology section

The Template alone is not a full section and is unencyclopedic. Needs prose.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:16, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

"res publica" should be linked to the "res publica" article

RH Swearengin (talk) 04:27, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Typo in family section

Just noticed a typo at the very end of the Family section of the wiki article. It states:

"The husband was usually older than the bride. While upper class girls married very young, there is evidence that lower class women often married in their late teens or early 1920s."

Obviously that's supposed to be just "20s".

Bdowne01 (talk) 05:54, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Burning of Rome

It is my understanding that most historians say that Nero in fact did not "start the fires". Or at least this is a point of contention. However the article states it as fact in the section Ancient_Rome#From_Tiberius_to_Nero. Could someone with more knowledge about this weight in (hopefully with references)? I would like to make the change but I don't feel comfortable changing with my limited knowledge of the subject.

Phancy Physicist (talk) 15:14, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Two reliable primary sources are given as the references. I think the section is fine as it stands. Maybe you can cite some claims of later historians if you can find some. I think these primary sources should trump any secondary sources. Flaviusvulso (talk) 08:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Antonine Plague casualties need to be fixed.

Currently the article states the following in the History section:

"Marcus Aurelius, known as the Philosopher, was the last of the Five Good Emperors. He was a stoic philosopher and wrote a book called Meditations. He defeated barbarian tribes in the Marcomannic Wars as well as the Parthian Empire. His co-emperor, Lucius Verus died in 169 AD, probably victim of the Antonine Plague, a pandemic that swept nearly five thousand people through the Empire in 165–180 AD."

The cited reference though, states 5 million were killed, which makes more sense than the absurdly low five thousand, though it still seems low in an empire of 50 to 100 million to have had such a devastating impact on the empire, including killing both emperors. Carsonkaan (talk) 18:52, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Sole superpower of antiquity?

In the opening paragraph it says Rome was the sole superpower of antiquity. It is an unsourced statement and is quite incorrect. The Achaemenid Empire and the Macedonian Empire were certainly "superpowers" in their day.--Tataryn77 (talk) 06:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

It's quite a subjective statement actually. How exactly does one define "superpower"? Do they have to meet specific criteria? Is it relative to other states of the time? In any case, you are right in that it is an unsourced statement, so it has been modified. Cadiomals (talk) 00:19, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Please correct!

"His co-emperor, Lucius Verus died in 169 AD, probably victim of the Antonine Plague, a pandemic that swept nearly five thousand people through the Empire in 165–180 AD."

Its actually five million people who were "swept", see Antonine Plague. Somebody who can edit this page may please correct that. Greetings, Tolman Telephone (talk) 23:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the heads up. Cadiomals (talk) 00:15, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Separate fact and legend

Please, can we have a clear separation between what is known from archeological evidence or independent sources, and what is simply a rewriting of the traditional legends? For instance, the section about the Republic states that according to legend it started in 509 and then goes on to mention "facts" from 510, 509 and so on till it reaches historical times, with no clear transition. As a reader who is not a specialist, I would really like to know how to make my mind... The Misplaced Pages article about the history of Rome should stick to facts. The legends/traditional account of the history of Rome should be put on a separate page. 2A01:E35:2E5B:C970:224:E8FF:FEB9:BFD1 (talk) 21:48, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

The entire tone is not written in an encyclopedic point of view. It reminds me of a textbook.

The Romans faced the most difficult foe of all!

Of course, the boy had his belongings carried by a slave!

Crap like that. RocketLauncher2 (talk) 06:38, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

We have this problem with all ancient histories including the Bible. One can either forget all the anecdotal, unsubstantiated "history" in which case, we are left with nearly nothing except a few hard-to-explain artifacts, or report them as Rome (and other cultures) did for hundreds of years and work them out as best as possible. It is important that Romans believed this was their history.
I changed the education subsection somewhat and rm the slave carrying the rich kids books, which seems beside the point in a paragraph which is now about nobles, who were differently educated.
Couldn't find the "foe" phrase. Changed already? Student7 (talk) 22:57, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

The Roman Kingdom article deserves more attention.

I have noticed that there has been a lot more attention given to the Roman Republic, Roman Empire and the Byzantine Empire Articles. Why? The Roman Kingdom was the foundation for all three. And there has to at least be a new map placed in the infobox of the article that depicts the amount of territory the kiingdom had. Keeby101 (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

As the article says, "Little is certain about the history of the kingdom, as nearly no written records from that time survive, and the histories about it that were written during the Republic and Empire are largely based on legends." I've read some of these and they sound non-WP:RS. Written records, if any, were lost. Student7 (talk) 19:12, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Eastern limits mention in the opening section...

Hey, guys, I just changed the bit saying it stretched from the Atlantic to Judaea to Arabia Petraea (then the Byzantine Palaestina Salutaris) as this was further east than Judaea and was the eastern limit for a good 500 years. But should we put Mesopotamia (Roman province)? Since that technically was the eastern limit, albeit for a relatively shorter time? Thanks. ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ() 21:44, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

EDIT Also, Judea (Roman province) was amalgamated into Syria Palaestina in the mid second cetury. ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ() 21:47, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

dates

I can't find a guideline on BC vs.BCE. Seems like BCE would be more appropriate. Minorview (talk) 19:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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