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December 3

Counting as WP:EXPERT if your own words are published in a reliable source?

So, if I say in a reliable source, that I have x number of years of experience with a very specific topic, and it is part of the text in an article of that reliable source on a very specific topic, can that be used to show I have some level of authority on that topic? In this case, it's me expressing the fact that I've had three seasons of dig experience at a site. The article is not written by me, it's written by a person working for that reliable source. This would be a source that would out me, of course. I hope what I'm asking is clear. If I gave more info, it would definitely out me. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | 30 Kislev 5774 00:35, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does not give any extra privileges based on expertise to editors, but your expertise is likely to show through on your talk page discussions because you will be able to find appropriate sources to support your statements, and your arguments are likely to be persuasive. (Of course, you might be restricted by the conflict of interest policy if the topic of an article is related to something you personally worked on, or have a financial interest in.)

You can use your own published works as sources. If you have been published in reliable sources in a certain topic area, your personal webpage might thereby become a reliable self-published source (which are acceptable, but not as desirable as publications by a publisher who is independent of the author). You should use care to be sure you are working to benefit the article, and not trying to attract attention to your own publications. Jc3s5h (talk) 00:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Is it a conflict of interest by default though? If it's a company or a city you live in then I could see the concern, but if it's an archaeological site then it just means that, as you said, you can - and will be driven to - find good sources and understand what they're talking about better than people that haven't (at least without them having to do hours of work reading up on).

Oh it's nothing I published. More like I was interviewed by an editor of an RS publication and then he published the interview on the website of that RS. So it's like saying here would be credentials. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | 30 Kislev 5774 01:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

User:Flinders Petrie - Your words in an interview are not independent of you so, even if they are published in a reliable source, the information may not be usable in a Misplaced Pages article. Of course, I'm not sure what you mean by "used to show I have some level of authority on that topic". Used where? Do you want to show the website published work to another Wikipedian to establish that you are an expert on the particular dig? Do you want to use the information in a Misplaced Pages article? -- Jreferee (talk) 05:49, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Cool, I did not know you could highlight on Misplaced Pages. The former, to show that my opinion on things relating to that digsite maybe should have more weight (not like "No, I know better than you, etc, but more I'm pretty sure that's the case) and maybe a wee bit more weight when talking about archaeological digging methods (at least those used in Italy, Israel, and Jordan). For academic purposes, I may have to out myself soon anyway as I plan on doing some academic work on the same site that I've been editing and I'll probably need to acknowledge my work on that Wiki article just so I'm not put in awkward situation later. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | 1 Tevet 5774 11:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

If I understand it correctly, your situation is one of the legitimate reasons for having multiple accounts. One account where you are "self outed" used to edit articles where you may have a COI, and your current non-outed account to be used for non-COI edits. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:12, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Well I've done most of the work already. I'm not sure there's much of an COI, I am still a paying volunteer on the dig, I'm editing the article of my own volition, and it's hard not to maintain an NPOV on this. The self-outting isn't for you guys. It's in case anything I write in academic work starts to sound anything like the article. Self-plagiarism is frowned upon here. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | 1 Tevet 5774 18:25, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

request edit

Hi! I represent the Issaquah History Museums (I am the marketing department) and was editing our organization's name in two articles in Misplaced Pages, "The Issaquah Historical Museums" and "The Issaquah Valley Trolley". It occurred to me that the IVT is a project of the IHM, and so should probably be a sub-page instead of its own separate article. How do I merge the articles? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Issaquah History Museums (talk • contribs)

You have a clear conflict of interest here, and should not be editing either article at all, except to correct clear-cut factual matters. In particular, your conflict of interest has led you to misjudge the relative importance of the two articles. The tramway is clearly notable, in Misplaced Pages's sense, and therefore an article about it is warranted. The notability of the organisation that operates it is doubtful. Maproom (talk) 09:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Your username is also violating Misplaced Pages's rules: all accounts are personal, and should not have names that suggest an organisation: see WP:USERNAME. You should abandon that user name (which is likely to be blocked) and create a personal account (you are free to use a pseudonym: it does not have to be your real name if you don't wish to). --ColinFine (talk) 09:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I'm not making content edits, our name was incorrectly posted by a high school student in 2009 doing an independent homework project. That's why I checked the edits as "minor edit" according to the rules. I fail to see the conflict of interest as the official organization and origin of the information misquoted in the original article. This is a factual edit. The only reason I am using the Issaquah History Museums profile is as an expert, official content source of Issaquah History Museums data in the course of my staff duties. What would be a better way of citing myself in my official capacity as a content expert? Or is there a completely different means when I am one of the authors of the webpage being cited as well?

My hope was that a Misplaced Pages expert could consider the merging question as the second article was also written by the same high school student (I believe) because it contains the same incorrect version of our organization's name. My Helpdesk message is titled "request edit" because I recognize that I cannot merge the articles myself. I mis-worded my intent as "how can I merge" when I meant "how can I request a review for a possible article merge". The trolley (not a tramway, that is incorrect as well) is one of about fifteen different small projects the IHM currently has; should we post all of them as individual articles? I had considered posting another one of these but upon re-reading Misplaced Pages's rules regarding what is defined as "notable", none of our projects independently meet the scope, including the trolley project- it's more like one of our facilities that also moves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Issaquah History Museums (talk • contribs) 11:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I see that the rename you requested has already been done, by Theroadislong. It would not need an expert to merge the two articles, I could do it myself. But I am not going to: I think it would be counterproductive to merge an interesting and well-referenced article into an article that lacks all references except one to its subject's own web site and is, therefore, a candidate for deletion.

You should not be "citing yourself". What Misplaced Pages values is citations of independent, reliable, published sources. The IVT article has those, and is therefore not in danger of being deleted. I don't doubt your credentials as someone well-informed on the issues covered in the articles, but that is not what counts here.

You have stated that you are the marketing department of Issaquah History Museums: this gives you a very clear conflict of interest when editing an article about Issaquah History Museums. No-one is likely to mind if you correct dates, spellings, etc. But if you want any changes that might be at all controversial, you should describe them on the talk page of the article, and let other, impartial, editors decide whether to make them. And you should take ColinFine's advice about your username. Maproom (talk) 12:37, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

As the marketing person don't you have a "press clippings" file of news and magazine articles about your organization? Such articles should be the main sources for the article - not stuff that you or your colleagues wrote. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:19, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

How do I upload an image. I am trying to improve a particular page. I am not autoconfirmed till now. Thanks.

How do I upload an image. I am trying to improve a particular page. I am not autoconfirmed till now. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Durlov (talk • contribs) 09:11, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

WP:UPLOAD is what you're looking for. Dismas| 09:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

At the time of writing you only need one more edit to be autoconfirmed, but I see you have already uploaded Commons:File:Shyam Ramsay.jpg and Commons:File:Shyam Ramsay in a contemplative mood.jpg. Commons doesn't require you to be autoconfirmed. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Removal of article

Dear Sir or Madam

I am seeking the removal of the following article link -

South Ronaldsay child abuse scandal

This article is about me and my family and is causing me a great deal of distress. When my name is typed in to Google this link appears. It was a private court case many years ago and does not reflect my life today. How might I remove the article, or could Misplaced Pages please remove it? I ask that Misplaced Pages sympathise with my situation.

Thank you for your support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helen54321 (talk • contribs) 09:28, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

The article is South Ronaldsay child abuse scandal. It is about a notable subject which made headlines at the time, and will not be removed. However, I have removed what I guess to be your name from it, as I see no reason for you to be named there. Unless another editor reverts my deletion, Google should in a while notice the change, and stop listing the article when people search for your name. Maproom (talk) 09:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

IF this is not the issue, feel free to Email me, and I will act on it. This prevents anything staying public on-wiki. Thanks --Mdann52talk to me! 10:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

restored truth about Alessandro Figus

Deletion of article

Is there a page where you can nominate Wiki articles for deletion?MackyBeth (talk) 16:20, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

There are varying processes; what is the article and why do you feel it should be deleted? --Orange Mike | Talk 16:24, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

My guess is that the OP refers to Isle of the Cross. See Talk:Isle of the Cross and this question above. Maproom (talk) 16:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That is indeed the article I wish removed. First, this title does not warrant an article of its own, since it is only a theory that such work existed and is now lost. Second, the item is badly sourced and filled with speculation, such as the remark on "Bartleby, the Scrivener." Third, it is only a stub, as Misplaced Pages users have marked it, and improvement is unlikely for lack of information to improve it with. So how do I proceed to have the Misplaced Pages community review and delete it?MackyBeth (talk) 17:13, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy shows the different ways to suggest deletion. The important thing for Misplaced Pages is not whether a subject is real but whether there are sources to satisfy Misplaced Pages:Notability. In this case Misplaced Pages:Notability (books) is also relevant. A sufficient criteria there is "The book's author is so historically significant that any of his or her written works may be considered notable. This does not simply mean that the book's author is him/herself notable by Misplaced Pages's standards; rather, the book's author is of exceptional significance and the author's life and body of written work would be a common subject of academic study." The case of a lost/unconfirmed book is special so I don't know how a suggested deletion would be viewed. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:31, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The article states in the first sentence that the book did exist, sourced to this , which is Hershel Parker arguing that it did exist. If he is the only one arguing this, the article should at least reflect that. If there is a scholary consensus that the book existed, it probably deserves an article (I base that on that even I have heard of Herman Melville). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

restore deleted article

Please restore the article on Tom Forsythe that is referenced below. I can't do it since I don't have the permission.

I recently tried to have a look at the article about me and my legal battle with Mattel and learned that it has been deleted since 2006. I'm not too self interested since it has taken me almost 8 years to figure out that the article has been removed but I still believe that the precedent set in my case creates important rights of free expression. And then, a lot has happened in my world since the 2004 Appeals Court decision. I was hoping to update the listing but I sure can't do that if it isn't there.

Keep in mind that Mattel made a point of suing Walking Mountain Productions, rather than me personally, to make it seem as though I was this big company, even though Walking Mountain was always just a dba for my own work.

The deletion log is shown below.

00:47, 17 October 2006 Lucky 6.9 (talk | contribs) deleted page Tom Forsythe (content was: '{{db-nonsense}}'''Bold text'''''Italic text''Image:Example.jpgMedia:Example.ogg<math>Insert formula here</...')

I support Mr. Forsythe's plea. Google finds plenty of supporting material, such as this from the BBC. Maproom (talk) 16:37, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

As an administrator, and having checked the version that was deleted and its previous edits (all from within one minute in 2006), I can tell you both that there has never been anything worth reading at Tom Forsythe - just some gibberish characters as quoted in the deletion log. So there is nothing I can restore. There is no trace there of any article about a Tom/Thomas Forsyth(e) involved in a legal battle with Mattel. Thomas Forsythe has never had an article. Tom Forsyth and Thomas Forsyth are about other people. I see that there are links (redlinks) to Tom Forsythe in Fair use and Mattel v. MCA Records but that does not mean that there was ever an article about you. Bencherlite 16:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Forsythe first received publicity for his Barbie photos in June 1999 and was sued by Mattel lawsuit around October 1, 2000. There is plenty of bio info on Forsythe, so there is no problem with starting an article on him. -- Jreferee (talk) 05:35, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I know the article was there and that it was not gibberish. Could someone with better access than me take a closer look? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.92.185.116 (talk) 17:01, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Bencherlite is an admin and has admin level access. He also knows his way round Misplaced Pages, so if he can't find it, I doubt that anyone can.--ukexpat (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Ukexpat. For those of you who didn't believe me the first time, here is the entire deleted page history of Tom Forsythe:

Page history
(del/undel) (diff) 00:44, 17 October 2006 . . Tarret (talk | contribs | block) (340 bytes) (speedy delete)
(del/undel) (diff) 00:44, 17 October 2006 . . Princesspookybearlaurandavidson09 (talk | contribs | block) (324 bytes) 
(del/undel) (diff) 00:44, 17 October 2006 . . Princesspookybearlaurandavidson09 (talk | contribs | block) (4 bytes) 

And the 324-byte version of the article was, as quoted more-or-less in the log entry for deletion:

'''Bold text'''''Italic text''
]]<math>Insert formula here</math>
Insert non-formatted text here
--] 00:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
----
#REDIRECT ]

That's it, folks. If the article you are thinking of ever existed, it was not at this location. Bencherlite 18:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm also an admin with access to deleted articles and agree with Bencherlite. There hasn't been an article with real content at Tom Forsythe, and that title is the only deleted page starting with "Tom Forsy" or "Thomas Forsy". The gibberish page in the deletion log was created 17 October 2006 and deleted 3 minutes later. It's very common in Misplaced Pages to make red links to titles where there is no article but somebody might make an article in the future. See Misplaced Pages:Red link. The article Mattel v. MCA Records was created in 2009 as shown in the page history , and there was no article at Tom Forsythe at the time or ever since. I did find a page not edited since its 2004 creation at Misplaced Pages:School and university projects/Open Source Culture/Tom Forsythe. The page name starts with "Misplaced Pages:" (like this page "Misplaced Pages:Help desk"). That means it's in what we call the project namespace. It's not an article or a part of our encyclopedia and it isn't included in our search box by default. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Number 2 vs #2

According to the manual of style, which is the proper sentence?

• His song peaked at #2 on the charts
• His song peaked at number 2 on the charts

Thank you! teratogen (talk) 18:05, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Don't use # in this way, per MOS:HASH. The second sentence accords with the MOS. Bencherlite 18:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Leaving aside the #/number question: though not grammatically incorrect, the use of "on" here is not colloquial (British) English when referring to popular song charts: "in" would be more natural. One might use "on" in a different context, such as "His peak heart-rate episodes are shown on the charts." {The poster formerly known as 87.89.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 15:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

GEEP (Global Electric Electronic Processing)

I would like to have a page made about GEEP (not the sheep). I have no account but would be willing to submit some information in regards to the page. Nothing has been made at this point and as one of Canada's largest recyclers I believe they deserve some recognition as such. Let me know how I can help.

Thanks,

Darren — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.245.56.150 (talk) 18:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

See WP:Requested articles.--ukexpat (talk) 20:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

James Bond 007: Nightfire is repeatedly vandalized!

I have a problem. I found that LOLOPHONE has been repeatedly vandalizing the James Bond 007: Nightfire page! I tried stopping the vandalism, but the spammer just won't stop! Can somebody get the spammer banned, please? --Angeldeb82 (talk) 19:59, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

File a report at Misplaced Pages:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism RudolfRed (talk) 20:43, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Concern about donation

I was reading a wikipedia webpage, and noticed at the top of the page there was a link to donate to wikipedia. As it is poorly written, it makes me wonder whether it is legitimate.

This was the text "DEAR WIKIPEDIA READERS: We are the small non-profit that runs the #5 website in the world. We have only 175 staff but serve 500 million users, and have costs like any other top site: servers, power, programs, and staff. To protect our independence, we'll never run ads. We take no government funds. We survive on donations averaging about £10. Now is the time we ask. If everyone reading this gave £3, our fundraiser would be done within an hour. Misplaced Pages is something special. It is like a library or a public park. It is like a temple for the mind, a place we can all go to think and learn. If Misplaced Pages is useful to you, take one minute to keep it online and ad-free another year. Please help us forget fundraising and get back to Misplaced Pages. Thank you." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.97.203 (talk) 20:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That sounds like the valid message but I don't have it currently. The important thing is not what a donation message says (anyone can copy a real message when making a fake), but where it goes. It should go to somewhere at https://donate.wikimedia.org like the "Donate to Misplaced Pages" link at the left of every page. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That is a legitimate message. It shows to unregistered users :) Samwalton9 (talk) 20:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Is it supposed to be showing right now? Because when I view the main page logged-out, it shows up for a split second before disappearing. - Purplewowies (talk) 00:02, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

In my experience the donation banners are sometimes there and sometimes not. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Same here. I was mostly concerned with the split second show up-disappear act, because I wasn't sure if that's normal... - Purplewowies (talk) 01:47, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I just created a user to see if the ad would disappear, and it did upon login. It almost screams user info, and not money. Wiki can't, and shouldn't ever die (it'd be sad, especially for our young ones). But this seems to be a gimmick. If not, I will donate Wiki, please find a better way to ask for it. - Poois69 (talk)

What is a wiesel word

I am not an editor,but I would really love to know what a wiesel word is. Never heard of it.--A too smart bitch.

See WP:WEASEL.--ukexpat (talk) 22:05, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)WP:WEASEL This link contains the info you want as well as other problematic words and phrases. - Purplewowies (talk) 22:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Open accusation of being a Sock Puppet

Hi, A user User:Giano has leveled an accusation of myself being a sockpuppet for another account. I checked, and there is a formal procedure to be applied, to determine if someone is a Sock Puppet ]. I am asking that Giano be asked to either 1) Place my account up for that process with whatever evidence he has to prove it. or 2) Strike or remove his accusation.

I don't like the open accusation being plainly visible for all to see, as it belittles any contributions I will make to Misplaced Pages in the future. I think it also violates Misplaced Pages:Please do not bite the newcomers.

Thanks LilOwens (talk) 22:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I notice that you don't deny being a sockpuppet, but anyhow, this isn't the place to complain about other users. You should probably bring it up with them personally on their talk page, or if you'd prefer, you could address the comment on the Administrator's Noticeboard, in the thread where the alleged accusation occurred, since that's where the Administrators lurk, and those are the folks who could conceivably help you. The purpose of the Help Desk is for users to ask questions about using Misplaced Pages. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:49, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Page removed - where has it gone and can we have it back?

There was a page on "Avient Limited" which has disappeared. The logo of this company is now being incorrectly sited as "Avient Aviation" which is a different company altogether. Avient Limited is in liquidation so that might be why it has gone but we aviation enthusiasts like to keep a history of these minor airlines as it shows how our favorite aircraft progress through their various lives. Is it possible to get the Avient Limited page reinstated - or if I create it again from scratch will it be removed again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.254.198 (talk) 23:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can determine, there was never an article of that name. What other might it have been under? --Orange Mike | Talk 23:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure that it was titled Avient Limited? I can't find any record of that article existing. Either way though, it was likely deleted as not being notable enough for an entry. See WP:CORP for our notability criteria for businesses. Dismas| 23:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

No page starting with "Avient" has been deleted. Special:PrefixIndex/Avient shows redirects to Avient Aviation from Avient Aviation Ltd and Avient Ltd. They have never been anything other than the redirect. I'm also unable to find the logo you mention. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Lee Breuer - updated bio

(edit conflict)Misplaced Pages's article about Lee Breuer is better-written than the above, and does not have an excess of upper-case letters. If you have suggestions for its improvement, you could make them on that article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 23:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

On wikipedia.org/ISF_women's world-championship

The name Lorraine Wooley is incorrectly spelled. It should be Woolley.

Please let me know if I need to show you any proof of my correct name. Thanks Lorraine Woolley — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.213.186.12 (talk) 23:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

ISF Women's World Championship has been changed. Thanks for letting us know. - David Biddulph (talk) 23:54, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

December 4

Cameroon

In Cameroon#History, it says (2nd paragraph) "Portuguese sailors reached the coast in 100000000000000 B.C.", but the edit part has it as "in 1472." The article history also doesn't show it in the most recent version. Is someting missing in history? Smarkflea (talk) 01:08, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The history shows the vandalism was reverted the next minute. Articles sometimes have to be purged to display the most recent version. The problem disappeared when I purged it. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:20, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. How did you purge it? Smarkflea (talk) 01:37, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

My link on "purged" shows different ways to do it although my way isn't actually listed there. I have enabled Add a "Purge" tab to the top of the page, which purges the page's cache when followed at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Or, probably the quickest way is to append ?action=purge to the URL to purge that page. ~HueSatLum 03:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Putting in HTML notes

I want to put in HTML notes (the type only visible in source editing) in an article I'm working on so I can put page numbers in case I change the citation system later (which doesn't currently have them). How do I go about doing that? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | 1 Tevet 5774 03:01, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Help:Wiki_markup#Invisible_text_.28comments.29 and Help:Hidden text - Purplewowies (talk) 03:27, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Cheers. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | 1 Tevet 5774 03:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

How to permanently remove a deleted page

Hello,

I had created a page last week at this link Tony Hsu Due to some reasons it was deleted. I would now like to permanently remove it from wiki, so that no users searching for 'Tony Hsu' gets directed to this page

Please advise

Regards Ranjeeta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranjeeta7 (talk • contribs) 09:16, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The page has been removed. However, it can take several days, even weeks, for search engines such as Google to catch up with that fact. Once they do, it will no longer appear in their search results. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:34, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

New

How di I make a new word fir a priduct in R&D right now?? Help !!!! Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nholder78 (talk • contribs) 10:25, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

A product that has not yet entered production is unlikely to meet Misplaced Pages's inclusion requirements, which require substantial coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources. What is the product that you wish to write about? Yunshui 雲‍水 10:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

What are the numbers in brackets on submissions page

I have an article in submission process.

What do the brackets with numbers in represent after the (diff|history) brackets

See example below:

15:39, 26 November 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-9)‎ . . m Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/xxxxxx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anstutim (talk • contribs)

That represents how much content was added or removed. "-9" means that nine characters (including spaces) were removed, as you can see here. Equally, you have one that is "+604", which means 604 characters were added, here. — Richard BB 13:08, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

To add to this, it's an overall change in characters, so if I added 10 characters but removed 5 elsewhere in the arrticle it would still show up as +5. Samwalton9 (talk) 13:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure it's counting characters rather than bytes? I've always thought it was the change in page size in bytes. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is bytes, see Misplaced Pages:Added or removed characters. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

So it is, my bad, I assumed it was characters since it usually is! Samwalton9 (talk) 11:13, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

PolyEdit Lite

Is PolyEdit Lite still under development? I don't see much activity since 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.88.202.190 (talk) 14:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I assume that your question isn't about the Misplaced Pages page PolyEdit, but about the program itself? In which case the question belongs not here but at Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Computing. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost has not been published?

I always look forward to the weekly wp:Signpost, but now I can only find the one from November 20, 2013. Will it show up eventually? Just curious. XOttawahitech (talk) 16:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

It's being worked on at the signpost newsroom but hasn't been released yet. RJFJR (talk) 17:35, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost is out, yey!!! XOttawahitech (talk) 15:34, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Article name differs from how to be listed in a category

The article Bridge Murder case, is about the murder of John Bennett. How do you get the name 'John Bennett' to appear under the B's in the category 'People murdered in Missouri'? Newwhist (talk) 16:40, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Create a WP:REDIRECT titled John Bennett (murder victim) and add a {{DEFAULTSORT}} template and the category to the page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I have just done it, per WP:BOLD. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:14, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

And I have added him to the John Bennett disambiguation page with a link to Bridge Murder case.--ukexpat (talk) 19:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

And now merged my entry with the existing one.--ukexpat (talk) 20:11, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

how to get a wikipedia page?

I am an author (not self-published) and would like to have a wikipedia page. how do I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.160.176 (talk) 17:09, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

To support an article, there would have to be high-quality published sources giving information about you -- book reviews in national publications, biographical pieces, interviews, etc. Beyond that, it would be much easier to give a concrete answer if you would let us know who you are. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 17:16, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

You can write/suggest an article, based on independent, reliable sources about you, at WP:AFC. Success is not guaranteed, it will depend, in part, on how well you have been covered in independent (from you) media. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

But you are discouraged from writing an article yourself: see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. --ColinFine (talk) 23:29, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

content "ping-pong" on article "FTI Consulting"

I almost never contribute to wikipedia. When, about a month ago, I read elsewhere about activity of FTI Consulting, I checked the wikipedia page to learn more about this company. The page turned out to be a kind of PR promotional press release. I didn't feel qualified to perform any comprehensive research to make the article less one-sided, so I added a section and paragraph paraphrasing the content (with footnote attribution) of a newspaper article implicating the company in incitement to violent criminal activity in Venezuela with the goal of destabilizing the government there. I did do some googling of the company and did see some other supplemental information about the company, but decided to start slowly - maybe others more qualified than I would pick up the job.

Like I said, I thought this would begin to incrementally balance out the tone of the wikipedia article, but what has been happening is that someone is just deleting my additions.

If the wikipedia staff feel that my additions are inappropriate, so be it; however, if the additions are appropriate, I would appreciate some way to to put a quasi-'lock' in the content. FTI Consulting isn't my life. I have limited motivation to check back and re-edit the page in a game of wikipedia ping-pong. If the other side are paid PR guns of that corporation, I will certainly lose.

Some reasons in favor of the content: 1] makes article less of a one-sided PR press release 2] potential investors and business partners and clients would want to know the nature of the company before getting involved with them 3] public interest to potential victims and bystanders — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.21.4.242 (talk) 17:54, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The place to start a discussion is Talk:FTI Consulting. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Interestingly, the IP which has been reverting you (65.118.222.116) does apparently belong to FTI Consulting, so they would seem to have a conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Irrelevant to the issue, but just to help you understand things here. What you call "ping-pong" is not unusual, and is known as an "edit war". The side that can support its claims with references, as you have done, generally "wins". And we are all "Misplaced Pages staff", or rather, editors – David Biddulph, me, you, and even 65.118.222.116, despite his conflict of interest. Maproom (talk) 22:35, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

to continue the not quite on topic, be aware that just because you have sources, it does not give you the right to keep reverting see WP:3RR. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:17, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

So, you should try to engage with the other user on the article's talk page (use Talkback to draw the attention of the IP user to the fact that you are trying to discuss). If the other party will not engage, or you cannot agree, see Dispute resolution. --ColinFine (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Dilantha Malagamuwa

Hello fellow editors. This old Afc submission will soon be deleted under G13, but before letting it go I wanted to check with a Wikiproject because I know nothing about auto racing. Can anyone point me to the right Wikiproject? There doesn't seem to be "Auto racing". —Anne Delong (talk) 18:54, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Try Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Motorsport. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Which gives rise to the question whether it would be permissible to create a redirect from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Autosport to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Motorsport?--ukexpat (talk) 19:35, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Requested Articles (Misplaced Pages)

Where should I place Earthquakes in 2014 in Requested Articles? 78.156.109.166 (talk) 19:49, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

because we do not have crystal balls that tell us anything about earthquakes that have not yet happened, such a request will not be appropriate until reliable sources have written enough about earthquakes to merit a stand alone article. When the reporting has occurred, the place to request the article will be WP:AFC. or actually, as an IP Misplaced Pages:Requested articles would be the path that would probably work best.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:43, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Actually, TRPoD, the IP knows about Requested Articles, and was asking which section to put it in. The answer is surely Misplaced Pages:Requested articles/Natural sciences/Environment and geology, but TRPoD is right about waiting until there is reference material available for such an article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

adding info text box

hi there - how do i create an info text box that appears on the upper right corner of many wikipedia pages like this one: ISO/IEC JTC1 that has basic details about the page content/subject, i.e. formation year, type of org, purpose, location, etc.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ansidotorg (talk • contribs) 19:52, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Those are infoboxes created by templates, in this case {{Infobox organization}}. See the documentation there for assistance.--ukexpat (talk) 20:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Judgment Day in the Reference Desk.

Where should I put a question about that in the RD? --78.156.109.166 (talk) 20:20, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

It depends on the context. For expample, Judgment Day from the Terminator franchise would go on the Entertainment desk. For a literary or bible reference, it would go on the Humanities desk. If you look at WP:RD, it lists the topics for each desk. RudolfRed (talk) 20:44, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Create account.

Create account link not working for me? --78.156.109.166 (talk) 20:32, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Could you elaborate? Are you receiving an error message for example? Samwalton9 (talk) 20:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

This particular IP address was recently blocked (but is no longer blocked). I suspect that the attempt to create an account was made during the time when the address was blocked. --TeaDrinker (talk) 21:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

"This page can’t be displayed". That's in Internet Explorer, can't access Misplaced Pages in Mozilla Firefox. --78.156.109.166 (talk) 19:03, 5 December 2013 (UTC) TeaDrinker: It has not worked no matter if I was blocked or not. --78.156.109.166 (talk) 19:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Are you viewing Misplaced Pages at http://en.wikipedia.org or https://en.wikipedia.org? Account creation happens at the latter for security reasons. Can you view the latter? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I am viewing http://en.wikipedia.org, and can't view the latter. --78.156.109.166 (talk) 10:11, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Main Title

How can you update the main title of a wikipedia page? I need to update a page's name but I don't know how to. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravensrock222 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

You do that by moving the page. If you click on the small grey arrow just to the left of the search bar at the top of the page, click "move" and enter the new title in the box. ~HueSatLum 23:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

But please make sure that the new name conforms to Misplaced Pages:Article titles. If you're wanting to move it because there was a spelling error, or an organisation has changed its name, that's fine; but if you want to move it because you think the article should use a different form of their name, check the policy I linked to, and probably discuss the move on the article's talk page too, to reach consensus before moving it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:44, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

December 5

Tables

In editing an article I am trying to insert a table. When clicking on "Table" nothing happens. Am I doing something wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by John K. Landre (talk • contribs) 00:35, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Where are you clicking on "Table"? I don't see that word when editing. See Help:Table for general help. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Presumably: Advanced → Insert → {table icon}; which yields (for me) a template for inserting a table. I don't know why the poster fails to get results. ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 04:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

That is exactly what I am doing: Advanced/Insert/{table icon} but no template for inserting a table opens up. Instead the cursor goes to the top of the page. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

John — Preceding unsigned comment added by John K. Landre (talk • contribs) 18:51, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Since the problem seems to be specific to you, Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical) might be a better place to find a solution; however, it is fairly simple to do it manually. (My guess is either a broken toolbar or a browser incompatibility issue). ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 19:22, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The icon is supposed to make a pop-up box where you can choose the number of rows, columns and other details. What is your browser? Does it work when you log out? Do you have aggressive anti pop-up measures in your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Miss Information

Category:Vietnam War amphibious warfare vessels of the United States This category is for landing craft and other amphibious warfare vessels designed, built, or operated by the United States during the Vietnam War (approximately 1959–1975).

The USS Boxer LPH-4 also served during the Vietnam War in 1965 and 1966.

It is not listed on this page.

Your assistance would be appriciated by the numerous veterans that served on the ship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.81.129 (talk) 01:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

It appears from USS Boxer (CV-21)#Post-Korea that it was only used as a transport vessel in the Vietnam War. I don't know whether that qualifies for Category:Vietnam War amphibious warfare vessels of the United States. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:56, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Multiple authors in short footnote parenthesis coding

So, I'm trying to properly cite the multiple authors to one work. I'm not sure what's going wrong here. Compare Note #19 to #16 or any other one properly formatted. How should I be doing the in-line footnote cites for coding? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | 2 Tevet 5774 02:28, 5 December 2013 (UTC) Edit: Also, multiple works by the same authors in the same year, please. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | 2 Tevet 5774 03:01, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I've made an edit to User:Flinders Petrie/Tel Kabri to fix some of the errors. Some of your footnote calls were missing "p=" or "pp=", and the citations needed "ref=harv" to make them act as targets for the links. The script User:Gadget850/HarvErrors.js is good for drawing attention to these kinds of error.

To make multiple authors work, you have to list them in the citation templates using the last1/first1/last2/first2... parameters, not in the unformatted "coauthors" parameter; and then list the surnames in the footnote call: {{sfnp|Smith|Jones|Bloggs|2009|pp=19-39}}.

For multiple works in a single year see Template:Sfnp#More than one work in a year. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks on all counts! Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | 2 Tevet 5774 14:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Propaganda

RESUME of page Amir Mir carries some one else's picture

Dear Wiki Editor Sunny Tidda can confirm the picture displayed on Amir Mir's page is someone else and not amir Mir, the journalist from Pakistan. his pictures can be googled and found easily, also attaching one sample.

many thanks and respond quick please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunny tidda (talk • contribs) 05:12, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

There is no picture on the page Amir Mir. If you mean the picture that appears when you do a Google search for Amir Mir, then that's a Google function, and nothing to do with Misplaced Pages. There's a Feedback link under the information box where you can report the error. Rojomoke (talk) 05:59, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Search for a word in articles in category x

I'm trying to search for all articles with the word android in the category real time strategy games. I use this search word/url - http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&search=incategory%3A%22Real-time+strategy+video+games%22+android&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&redirs=1&profile=advanced but it doesn't list rymdkapsel which i know is in the strategy game. Why not? Or more preferably how can I use correct syntax? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.143.159 (talk) 06:06, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The "German chemists" example at Help:Searching has the "incategory" term last, so I tried your search the other way round. The first attempt timed out, and the second returned 17 results including Rymdkapsel. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

list of Florida Islands

Hi. I'm new to editing. Added three islands to list of Florida Islands giving reference as The Jacksonville Beach Historical Society. I had planned to add more to the list as there are many to add. I am unsure what I did wrong as within minutes the page was reverted without any explanation given. Is the reference insufficient? Should I have cited maps? I followed the same format. thank you, JamieIames (talk) 09:33, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

You added an unnamed 37-mile barrier island, without a valid reference. You did add a reference, but it was to a society, not to a published work. And your reference was not visible in the list, because List of islands of Florida currently has no {{reflist}}. You also accidentally added your Misplaced Pages signature to the end of the mention of Boot Island. Maproom (talk) 13:28, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, got ya. So, are islands to be listed without references on this page? If want to add the unnamed island should a ref list feature be added to page or is that messing with intent of page? Use a published map to reference islands if referencing required? Yep, don't know what I did to put name on Boot Island. Thanks again, JamieIames (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I think that intention of the list is for it to be like a disambiguation page, or a list of "notable citizens" at the end of an article about a city: it should only list islands that are notable enough that Misplaced Pages already has an article about them, so no reference is needed. But some over-enthusiastic editors had already added "redlinked" islands to it, with their names in double-square-brackets but no corresponding articles about those islands.

If you believe that the 37-mile barrier island ought to be listed on the page, it is rather different from wanting to add a small non-notable island. I assume that there is some question about whether it really constitutes an island. I would consider adding it to the article with a footnote justifying its "island" status (enclosed in <ref> tags like a citation, but leading to a footnote rather than to an external source), or discussing it on the article's talk page before doing anything. Maproom (talk) 21:59, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Why can't I edit some pages?

Why cant I update some pages? There is no edit box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zewix (talk • contribs) 10:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The pages may be protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit them. Without knowing which pages you refer to, it's hard to say - but that's the most likely explanation. See here for a bit of help. I've also added a welcome template to your userpage which provides other helpful links. Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

If there is no "edit" link then the page is probably protected and you can click the "View source" tab to get an explanation and make a suggestion. Or do you literally mean there is no edit box when you click edit? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

PeopleStrong Page : Content outdated

The content of PeopleStrong Page along with the Icon used needs updation. Please let us know the procedure of the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeopleStrong (talk • contribs) 11:08, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

What that page needs most is references to reliable published sources. It currently has none. While it has none, it is likely to be deleted. To add some, and to make other updates, you go to the page and click the "edit" tab at the top; but you should not do this if, as your username suggests, you are a person connected with PeopleStrong. If you are a connected person, you should go to the article's talk page, and describe there the changes that you recommend. Maproom (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Article about a controversial topic

Dear editors:

While checking through the old G13 eligible submissions from 2012 at Afc, I found the following: Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Sudhir Gopi. It looked as though it just needed a little more referenced info to be accepted, so I did a search and found this, this and this. Well, the subject and his company certainly have been written about now. My question is, should I let this article be deleted, or add this information and submit it to Afc? —Anne Delong (talk) 13:02, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I would added the references, and some statements of what they say, and leave it to others to decide on creation. Maproom (talk) 13:57, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Anne, feel free to be WP:Bold. If you think a G13 eligible AfC submission should be moved to article space, then just do it. Moving it to article space mean that it will have been edited in six months, so G13 no longer applies (also, I don't think there is policy against do in this). I would just add the information and move the page to article space if I thought the topic met WP:N. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I understand how Afc works, and I've moved many articles into mainspace from Afc. My question was more about the notability of a subject who was not considered sufficiently notable before his company was discredited and he was deported. Does that make him more or less notable? It rather discredits some of the information in the older sources. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:58, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Help with creating an article, it's been rejected four times.

Good morning...I am in need of some assistance and understanding. I was directed to seek help here.

My colleagues and I have submitted an article for review 4 times now, rejected each time. The most recent feedback is suggested that "The references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability" and that we have not "used reliable sources, such as mainstream press publications." When in fact that's all we have is magazine, newspaper and similar references. We have 18 references, all from bona fide, independent places. The feedback is saying that it's not verifiable, which I can't understand.

Well, I am not sure how we can impact this. Because as they say, the references are what they are. We can't change them. This isn't a matter of word-smithing at this point. It's a matter of they just don't think our sources are credible.

Here is the article and feedback in question: Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/New Heights Educational Group, Inc Resource and Literacy Center

Please provide us guidance. Ideally, I'd love to actually talk to someone about this on the phone, so I can dialogue and ask questions. But, an email response at minimum would be great.

Thank you for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.206.174 (talk) 13:20, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The article needs reliable independent references that establish its subject's notablity. It currently has 19 references. I checked the first five of these. The first four confirm that it exists, but not that it is notable. The fifth (to the organisation's own domain, which is not independent) gave a 404, casting doubt on its continuing existence. I did not bother to check the rest. If there are references in there somewhere that do confirm the organisation's notability, I suggest you keep these and delete the rest. That way, editors will be more easily able to find the ones that matter. Maproom (talk) 13:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

"We have 18 references, all from bona fide, independent places." Really? References 5, 7, and 8 are from newheightseducation.org. How is newheightseducation.org independent from New Heights Educational Group? How many times have you been told that you need to write the article from Misplaced Pages reliable sources? Yet, the standard you want to apply is "bona fide" and "think our sources are credible." You link to websites without concern as to whether they meet Misplaced Pages Reliable Source standards. If you limit your sources to print newspaper, books, and magazines, you will avoid many of the issues you now are facing. The Journal Gazette has some source material. http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_multi=JG%7C&p_product=JGNP&p_theme=jgnp&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&s_dispstring="New%20Heights%20Educational%20Group"&p_field_advanced-0=&p_text_advanced-0=("New%20Heights%20Educational%20Group")&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&xcal_useweights=no as does the Dayton Business Journal and The Toledo Blade. The organization has been around since 2006, but the news reports only start as of 2012. Why was there no independent reliable source coverage for the organization first six years? The services subsection needs to be removed. The history section is on the right track. The prose describing the awards should be part of the history section. Get rid of that New Heights Educational Group: Summary table and instead use Template:Infobox non-profit. Your lead need not have any references (see WP:LEAD). Your references should be put in Template:Citation. The poor formatted footnotes makes it difficult for reviewers to consider your request and hides whether the source is reliable or not. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Add a logo

My organization's old logo is on my Misplaced Pages page. I can delete it, but I do not see a way to insert the new logo. Please explain how to insert the new logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brnow1833 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The new logo must be uploaded by an autoconfirmed user. I will do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:27, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I have uploaded File:Biblical Recorder logo.jpg and added it to Biblical Recorder. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brnow1833 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Can't log in to main account

I am unable to log in to my primary account, User:Smartyllama. My password does not work and the forgot password link isn't working either. It won't send the email. Eventually I logged in on this account, which I used to use to edit from public computers. But I want to get back on my main one. Dumbyllama (talk) 15:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

User:Smartyllama has stored an email address so it should be possible to send an email with a new password at Special:PasswordReset. What exactly do you mean by "It won't send the email"? Do you get a message indicating the mail cannot be sent, or do you just not receive the mail? See Help:Logging in for general help. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I did not receive the email. But I'm not sure I used the email address associated with the account, and it won't let me try another one for 24 hours. Dumbyllama (talk) 15:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Email was sent to an email I no longer use which is supposed to forward to my current one but didn't. Smartyllama (talk) 15:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

translation on other wiki sites

Hello there

I work for a company and we already have an article on the german wiki in german. I would like to have the article on the Uk/USA wiki as well. The english translation is done. Please advise on how to proceed? Many thanks Anne78.147.150.142 (talk) 15:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

first: read our conflict of interest policy

second: ensure that your company meets the basic requirements of having a stand alone article about it

third: submit your idea to the Misplaced Pages:Requested articles process. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Dorothy Otnow Lewis page

Dear Help Desk:

I'm Dr. Lewis' attorney and am assiting her in editing her Misplaced Pages page. Im trying to contact Sighola2 who appears to be doing most of the editing of her page and who changed the recent edits Dr. Lewis wanted made on the page.

How do I go about doing that?

Cynthia W. Sheppard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cynthia W. Sheppard (talk • contribs) 17:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Your starting point is to read Misplaced Pages's guidance on editing where there is a conflict of interest. After that the place to comment on changes is the article's talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

@Cynthia W. Sheppard: You appear to have found the article's edit history, since you identified Sighola2 as a contributor. Next to Sighola2's name (and all editors' names) is a "Talk" link. Click that and you will be taken to the user's talk page. That said, please note that the article about Dorothy Otnow Lewis does not belong to Dorothy Otnow Lewis, it belongs to the Misplaced Pages community. So any edit Lewis "wanted" made can legitimately be changed by another user, provided that the user is editing according to our basic expectations of neutrality, the use of reliable independent sources and the exclusion of original research. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:53, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to reinforce Cyphoidbomb's post by pointing out that Dorothy Otnow Lewis has no rights at all with respect to controlling the content of the article. Lewis can however claim the protections specified by the Biographies of living people policy, which is strictly enforceable. All text and most images are subject to the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License, the exception are imaged used in terms of the WP:Fair use principles, however such images are practically never used in articles about living people. Any legal disputes that may arise between any person and the Wikimedia Foundation (the owner of Misplaced Pages) are subject to the laws of the State of Florida, as that is the home state of the Wikimedia Foundation. Please note that if a legal dispute does arise, all parties involved in the dispute are prohibited from editing Misplaced Pages until the dispute is resolved. In terms of the No legal threats policy, threatening, or even implying a threat of, legal action in any post on Misplaced Pages results in the user posting such a threat being blocked until the issue is resolved. That all being said, I hope you have a pleasant experience here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:47, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Using a forum as a "Reliable" Source

My understanding is that citing a forum as a credible source is not allowed on Misplaced Pages. In multiple (multiple) attempts to address this on K&N Engineering, Inc.‎

Using the “Talk” page – reaching out to “editors” – “Edit”ing the page & including my reasoning – Even leaving a Criticism section/sentence but adding – And when that didn't work I added the

This section's factual accuracy is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please help to ensure that disputed statements are reliably sourced. (Learn how and when to remove this message)

- I have been met with hostility and resistance from a couple of individuals.

I am now being told a Third Opinion (3O) has weighed in & the Forum citation is okay – so I best accept this.

When only a few weeks earlier a Third Opinion weighed in & said that Forums are NOT okay – better to list the reference until a legitimate source could be listed.

Based on the Misplaced Pages Rules/Guidelines it says: "Self-published sources (online and paper) Shortcuts: WP:USERGENERATED WP:USERG WP:UGC Main page: WP:SPS Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable. This includes any website whose content is largely user-generated, including the Internet Movie Database (IMDB), CBDB.com, collaboratively created websites such as wikis, and so forth, with the exception of material on such sites that is labeled as originating from credentialed members of the sites' editorial staff, rather than users. "Blogs" in this context refers to personal and group blogs. Some news outlets host interactive columns they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professional journalists or are professionals in the field on which they write and the blog is subject to the news outlet's full editorial control. Posts left by readers may never be used as sources; see WP:NEWSBLOG. Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications. Self-published information should never be used as a source about a living person, even if the author is a well-known professional researcher or writer; see WP:BLP#Reliable sources."

I would be really grateful for some assistance with this situation. Thank you.

207.218.14.140 (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC)mgooldrindge

The best place to ask about this might be Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. However, looking at the article, it seems to me that there is a more fundamental problem - the source is being cited for something it doesn't say. I've left a comment about this at Talk:K&N Engineering, Inc. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Opinion questions in the Reference Desk.

Are they allowed? Seems my so-named "opinion request" in the RD has been locked. But that Judgment Day question wasn't a request for opinions, it was a request for facts. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Judgment_Day_.28Last_Judgment.29. --78.156.109.166 (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

No. As it clearly states at the top of each reference desk "We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate". AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:12, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

If you are actively seeking religious/spiritual guidance you should go to your personal religious/spiritual advisers. Seeking such type of help from anonymous yahoos on the interwebs will provide much in the way of humor and/or misguided /completely off the wall advice, but little of any practical value.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

But that Judgment Day question wasn't a request for opinions, it was a request for facts. --78.156.109.166 (talk) 10:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Why do I get the impression we are being trolled here?--ukexpat (talk) 15:09, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. Edit: Oh, because you think I wrote the same text superflous? I just wanted to include it in the question too, wrote it at the end of the section and at the start in the same edit, IIRC. Also, I have concentration issues, so you might see unintended trolling/errors. --78.156.109.166 (talk) 20:40, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Page to discuss application of NFCC

Is there a talk page used to discuss the application of WP:NFCC? Specifically, I'm wondering under what conditions is it permissible to replace a copyrighted photo of a deceased person with another (better) copyrighted photo. --NeilN 19:22, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The goal is to have a free publication, and if we have a free use image, in almost all cases we should continue to use that rather than swap to a non free image. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but that's not what I'm asking. My question was about two copyrighted photos. --NeilN 19:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

d'oh! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:56, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

WP:CQ perhaps? CaptRik (talk) 20:05, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Yep, thanks! --NeilN 20:09, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Error code of sort in an addition I made

I received this after making an edit: "There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them", and I do not know what to do make it right. Please help. Matt<ref></ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewklunis (talk • contribs) 19:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I added some markup above so your comment displays properly.

I have also removed your edit from the article because you did not actually supply a reliable source that supports the content

You can find out more information about citations and how the citation mark ups work at WP:CITE. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

More specifically, your edit introduces some of the markup "ref tags", which come in pairs, an open ref tag and a close ref tag. In between the ref tags, you will need to include the information about your source (at minimum, a url to a reliably published source, but preferably all the citation information possible: Author, Title, Publisher, Publish date etc.) However, you had not included anything between the tags and so the markup reader sensed that and gave you the warning. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:47, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Max Muscle

Hi! The company I work with owns the trademarked name "Max Muscle" we would like the article that Misplaced Pages pulls to be about our company rather then the article that is currently existing on this link. We have an article that is currently being reviewed with the title "Max Muscle Sports Nutrition". Please advise, we appreciate your time!

Max Muscle

~Lindsey

Sorry, no, Misplaced Pages isn't interested in helping you to promote your company. The subject at Max Muscle is notable while your article is unlikely to be approved as you have provided no third-party sources showing it's notable. --NeilN 20:26, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) Whenever there are more than one possible subjects for a particular term, we follow our Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation process. In this instance, I strongly suspect that the stage name of the wrestler is by far the most likely subject that readers will be looking for when they enter Max Muscle into the search engine and so that will remain the main article. When/If the article you have submitted is approved, then some form of the disambiguation options may be applied. Probably a WP:HATNOTE at the top of the current article that would offer the option This is the article about the wrestler who uses the name Max Muscle. For the sports nutrition company, see Max Muscle Sports Nutrition -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:27, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Page question

someone help me stop the a wholes stuffing up my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savagealex1 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Savagealex1 has been indeffed by admins. Case closed. Next question. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Masterclense

Where do I get the amounts for the masterclense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.59.130.235 (talk) 20:33, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Misplaced Pages, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Misplaced Pages itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:56, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sirs !!

What is the correct keyboard shortcut to save page immediately ? Smjerś (talk) 21:31, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

@Smjerś: The shortcut for that is Alt+⇧ Shift+s Excirial 21:34, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you ! --Smjerś (talk) 21:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Or it could be Control S, or Control Shift S, or Control Option S or.... It depends what browser you are using - see Misplaced Pages:Keyboard shortcuts for the full explanation.Arjayay (talk) 22:14, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Jayaram Banan

Can you please write about this man as there is a significant impact that he has createed on the economy of India.

Regards,

Vicky — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.111.135.194 (talk) 21:43, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

An article Jayaram Banan can be requested at WP:RA. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:51, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

inboxh

hi I have been trying to insert an inbox in one article named renaissance Luzolo, I followed all the instructions but nothing is working. could you please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fusluzolo (talk • contribs) 22:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Could you be more specific about what article you're referring to? I can't find anything related to renaissance Luzolo through searches here or on Google. And this question is your only edit, so I can't even check your contributions. Maybe WP:INFOBOX will help you but beyond that, I think you're going to have to at least give us the name of the article that you're working on. Dismas| 22:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if this question is about the article Luzio Luzi. There was a failed attempt to add an infobox to it last May January. Maproom (talk) 22:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The Google search "renaissance luzolo" finds a Facebook page by that name: https://www.facebook.com/RenaissanceLuzolo. This is a help desk for the Encyclopedia Misplaced Pages. We are not associated with Facebook. If you are trying to make a Misplaced Pages article about the subject of the Facebook group then it shows no signs of satisfying our requirements at Misplaced Pages:Notability, Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies) or Misplaced Pages:Notability (web). PrimeHunter (talk) 01:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

December 6

Donation error

Hello,

This might not be the correct forum for this issue but I couldn't find another one. Anyway, I tried donating $50 to wikipedia and it said the transaction could not be processed. I tried 3 more times and got the same result. However, I just went on my online bank account and it lists all of these attempts as "pending debits". I don't know if they will be rejected at the other end, but at any rate I only want to make the original donations and I would like all the subsequent ones to be canceled. Who should I contact about this?

Thanks, David — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.155.113.238 (talk) 02:26, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

This help desk is manned by volunteer editors who don't work for the Wikimedia Foundation and don't have access to donation data. I don't have inside knowledge but clicking "I received an error message, but I still see a charge on my credit/debit card" at wmf:Problems donating/en displays: "If you received an error message stating that your transaction could not be accepted, your donation was not processed or accepted by the Wikimedia Foundation. A charge may show up on your card, held by your bank, as this is standard operating procedure for any online transaction. Your bank will release these funds in about 3-5 business days, depending upon their rules and regulations. If you would like to attempt a donation again, please visit our ways to give page for a full range of options." I don't know whether it's relevant in your case but see also wmf:FAQ/en#What is your refund policy? PrimeHunter (talk) 04:01, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

when and how can I insert a picture into the content I'm editting?

when and how can I insert a picture into the content I'm editting?Grace Xiao (talk) 03:27, 6 December 2013 (UTC)Veking Heavy Industries

Add ]. You can fill out the information with any file on Misplaced Pages or Wikimedia Commons. For instance, ] produces:

You can add other things as well. ] places the image on the left, ] adds a description, and ] specifies the size of your image. --T H F S W (T · C · E) 04:19, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

you can read the tutorial here Misplaced Pages:Picture tutorial. You should also be aware of the policies about WP:COPYRIGHT. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Order a remote control

I need to order a remote control for my radio CD player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.169.125.216 (talk) 03:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Misplaced Pages, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Misplaced Pages itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 PrimeHunter (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

A1 song Page Deletion

How to delete the page A1 song? — Preceding unsigned comment added by A1natics (talk • contribs) 05:16, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

it has already been deleted. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Missing page

hii

my information page is absolutely missing , kindly revert on the same . Amrita Sengupta — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.58.188.242 (talk) 06:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can see, there has never been a page called Amrita Sengupta on the English Misplaced Pages. Rojomoke (talk) 06:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Publication in Company News Magazine, 1966

I am working on a biography to be posted in the Misplaced Pages in the near future. In this biography, I would like to refer a published company news magazine article dated Dec 1966. There is no way any reader will be able find that article as the company no longer exist. Is it ok to attach the article in .pdf as a part of reference in the biography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morahim (talk • contribs) 07:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

while there may be a way, doing so would be a violation of copyright and it would be removed. Neither the verifiability policy nor the guidelines on reliable sources require on-line accessibility of sources, merely the appropriate citations. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 07:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

When you cite that source, be sure to include as much information as possible - the author or the article, the title, the name of the publisher, the name of the magazine, the date of publication and the place of publication if possible. Also be sure to use an inline citation so that the readers can see what information the magazine article is supporting. That's the best you can do. One day the copyright holder may put the news magazine issues on line, and if that happens a link can be added. —Anne Delong (talk) 07:56, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Two more things to consider are if this is an internal company magazine, it may not meet the criteria as a reliably published source as such productions have as their primary purpose promoting the company and not facts. And if the subject of the article is/was an employee of the company, the magazine will not be suitable for establishing the notability of the subject since the publication and the subject are not independent of each other. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Reference Desk.

Where should I place questions about the Bible? AND, where should I place a question about which Bible/Bible version Harold Camping uses/used? --78.156.109.166 (talk) 09:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

About what is in the Bible? Probably Humanities. As for which Camping uses, probably Misc. Dismas| 10:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Maria Esperanza de Bianchini

ESta organozacion es una presunta estafa que se esta investigando y hay miembros de esta socidad que estan en busca y captura por estafa de 1,000 0000.00 de euros todo lo referente a esta organizacion es un montaje para blanquear dinero tienen dos organizaciones y varias cuentas de bancos

saludos — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.2.210.16 (talk) 10:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

You should read WP:COI. Your request is probably best handled at WP:RA -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:32, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Distinguish in Dutch???

Hello!

Can anybody tell me which is the Template:Distinguish for Dutch language? Template:Onderscheid does not work (it says Er bestaat nog geen sjabloon met de naam "Sjabloon:Onderscheid"), and there is no Dutch language option for this template in the main article. Thanks in advance!Olga Radchuk (talk) 11:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Different languages have different practices and templates so there is often no direct equivalent. Maybe nl:Sjabloon:Zie artikel or another at nl:Categorie:Misplaced Pages:Sjablonen doorverwijzing works for your purpose. Or look for help at nl:Help:Doorverwijzen. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Barton–Zard synthesis link problems

Hello again ! I was wondering why Barton–Zard synthesis copied-and-pasted goes to the right page, but Barton-Zard synthesis doesn't ? They look the same to me. --Smjerś (talk) 12:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

They look different to me. Barton–Zard has a longer hyphen (or whatever it is) than Barton-Zard. Maproom (talk) 12:30, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I've now created a redirect for the latter, on the assumption that the former (with a dash rather than a hyphen) is the correct way of rendering it.--Shantavira| 13:26, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. How do I type the longer dash ? --Smjerś (talk) 15:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I usually use ALT-0150 but you can also copy-paste it (sometimes that's quicker) or select it from the symbol set above the edit pane. The en-dash (rather than the em-dash) is normally the one to use.--Shantavira| 15:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Image in Squaresville

Hi, I've added images to the site before, and it's always been a fairly trivial process, but for some reason, I can't seem to get the image I've added to squaresville to display. What am I doing wrong?

Roguebluejay (talk) 14:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

You had ":File:" instead of "File:". The initial colon tells the software to display a link to the image page instead of displaying the image itself. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I have uploaded a smaller version of the file to comply with the requirements of WP:NFCC.--ukexpat (talk) 15:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Poramadulla Central College

Dear sir

I'm writing this to you to complain about deletion of this article. Poramadulla Central College We created that article about a school,and of course it's funded by government. So we didn't create it for advertising or something like that. We just wanted to let the people know about our school. Because in Sri Lanka many other schools have article about them. So please think another once about your decision and kindly consider about restoring our article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.157.192.107 (talk) 14:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Intention doesn't really matter, it is the tone that is important. However, We just wanted to let the people know about our school is promotion even though it may not be commercial advertising. You can request undeletion at WP:REFUND if you wish, but I doubt you will be successful.--ukexpat (talk) 14:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

We try very hard to have articles about all colleges and secondary schools out there; but the article that was here was hopelessly promotional, and a fat chunk of it was not even in English. I can't even go to the website (which is a .com, not a .edu) to get information for a sound article start, because my computer says it contains malware of some kind. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:13, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I checked out the website and it seems legit. I started making my own article on Poramadulla Central College. Hopefully this should help clear confusion on what these articles should look like. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:18, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Futile

What does Futil mean — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.204.37.210 (talk) 15:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

"Futile" means something that won't work. An action is futile if it has no chance of producing the intended result. Looie496 (talk) 16:18, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Describing sexual preferences

Often when looking up info on people, I'll see where Misplaced Pages says "....is openly gay" Yet I've not seen one situation where Misplaced Pages says ".....is openly heterosexual". Why the difference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.121.18.253 (talk) 15:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

It depends on what reliable sources say about people. See, WP:V, WP:BLP and WP:Notability. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, heterosexuality is the default, so it doesn't usually need to be stated explicitly. Looie496 (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

@152.121.18.253: Having looked at few examples of "...is openly gay", I'd say that there are many instances where the phrase "openly gay" probably doesn't belong in the article's lead sentence any more than Marilyn Monroe's hair color or bust measurement would belong in her lead sentence. However, if the person's sexuality received media attention, or if the person achieved some notoriety for being the first openly gay US President, (for example), that might be worthy of note, in the same way that we note Valentina Tereshkova was the first woman in space. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:50, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

being "openly heterosexual" is rarely, if ever, an important aspect of someones importance, notability or public reaction/reception. being "openly gay" can frequently be an important aspect, although it is likely only in fairly rare occasions to be important enough to be mentioned in the lead. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Checking Misplaced Pages:Notability (academics) for Issei Tanaka (田仲一成)

How do I check the Misplaced Pages:Notability (academics) for Issei Tanaka (ja:田仲一成)? (Often articles mentioning him state his name as "Tanaka Issei"). Should I do Google Scholar? What level of hits would show his notability? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:56, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Notability (music)

I want to say this dont apply all country. And it not fair that everyone had to be like MJ so notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shujuan5210 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Michael Jackson's concert is an example of notability. It doesn't say everyone has to be like that. CTF83! 20:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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