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Interview at Wikimania 2011

Hello Alan! My name is Aaron Muszalski and I'm a Storyteller at the Wikimedia Foundation. I'll be traveling to Wikimania next month to collect editor stories for our 2011 Fundraiser. While there I'd love the chance to meet with you and hear your thoughts about Misplaced Pages.

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OK to archive. Alansohn (talk) 04:29, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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School history of Morristown-Beard School

Clearly, Morristown-Beard School carries the history of St. Bartholomew's School as it represented a re-founding of that school and name change. As the article on Morristown-Beard School explicitly states, three Harvard graduates took over St. Bartholomew's School after its financial difficulties and renamed the school to the Morristown School. Thus, the removal of Herbert Claiborne Pell, Jr. from the alumni section represents an error because he attended St. Bartholomew's School:

-The Misplaced Pages entry on Morristown-Beard School: "Morristown School was founded in 1891 as St. Bartholomew's School"

-An Uncommon Man: The Life & Times of Senator Claiborne Pell By G. Wayne Miller: "Herbert attended St. Bartholomew's School in Morristown, NJ..."

For further confirmation that Morristown-Beard School traces its founding to the St. Bartholomew's School, see the school's page on its background:

"Quick Facts Founded: 1891, merged 1971 School Type: Independent, Coeducational"

Likewise, every single third party description of Morristown-Beard states 1891 as the founding year for the school (including books on preparatory school listings).

The year 1891 reflects when the Episcopal Church founded St. Bartholomew's School. The three men from Harvard from the class of 1888 did not rename the school to the Morristown School until 1898, the year after financial difficulties caused hardship in 1897. When they took over the school and changed its name, Morristown School occupied the same buildings, etc. as St. Bartholomew's School. In all but name, Morristown School was essentially St. Bartholomew's School under new ownership.

Thus, Morristown-Beard School alumni do in fact include those who attended Morristown School during the brief period when the boy's boarding school carried the name of St. Bartholomew's School.

I added Pell back to the alumni section where he belongs.

ok to archive. Alansohn (talk) 04:29, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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Bell, General Mills, Wash Twp Glo Co NJ

The Wash TWP, Glo Co NJ article contains the claim that the Bell family of the Bell's Lake area was connected to General Mills. This might be through James Ford Bell, who was born in Philly and worked in AC. Are you aware of any sources that verify or expand upon this? μηδείς (talk) 05:03, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the connection between Washington Township, Gloucester County, New Jersey and General Mills seems hard to believe, but this source from the Township's website makes the explicit connection to the company, and longtime president / chairman James Ford Bell was born in Philadelphia and attended the Lawrenceville School. This does call for more research, but I think there is enough here to justify the mention in the article. Alansohn (talk) 18:28, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I wasn't so much as challenging the matter as wishing it were better sourced in our article. It's very interesting, and I am quite surprised I had never heard any of it before now. μηδείς (talk) 05:13, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I had remembered reading it in the Washington Township article and on the township's website, but even re-reading the source it seems hard to believe. I will try to find a better source and thanks for raising the question. Alansohn (talk) 05:15, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

The stream that runs through Bell's Lake is the steepest in the area, I don't doubt there would have been a mill there. Given the name and the fact that Bell worked in Atlantic City, with Wash Twp on a direct line between AC and Philly, I think the story is entirely plausible. I just suspect the mill site must have been built over, or we'd have had field trips to it as we did to Weymouth and Smithtown and various other local areas of interest. μηδείς (talk) 05:59, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Ukrainians in Vineland, NJ

I have personally visited this Ukrainian church in Vineland (http://uebchurch.com/), as well as two other Ukrainian churches. So, there is definitely a Ukrainian community there. How would you propose adding it to the article?--Sanya3 (talk) 04:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

The presence of a church might be a start, but details regarding a Ukrainian community there -- with stores, organizations, festivals, heritage fairs, events, etc. -- would really be what's needed to demonstrate the existence of a cohesive community, with sources from newspapers and magazines. The ones that don't have articles in appropriate sources probably don't make the cut. Alansohn (talk) 04:29, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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Mercer is in NYC, not Philly CSA

Reviewing edits, looks like you changed Mercer to be in the Delaware Valley Combined Statistical Area? The link you reference says its in the NYC one. Famartin (talk) 06:44, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

The proximity of Mercer to Philadelphia rather than New York City must have lulled me into reading the source incorrectly. Thanks for the catch regarding Mercer County and for your tweaks to the Trenton, New Jersey article. Alansohn (talk) 15:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

T: template redirects

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Inger Lorre

Hey, sorry you couldn't find anything on where Inger Lorre is from in your Internet search. But this video provides evidence that she's from Pleasant Point Beach, New Jersey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y48gbv-HE0 (Don't know if this is the right place to talk.) User:Lordflight —Preceding undated comment added 07:52, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

I will check it out, but YouTube videos are usually problematic as a reliable source. Alansohn (talk) 13:50, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

just drop it

My opinion, fwiw: It's really not worth continuing the discussion there... cheers, --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Communities in Hammonton, NJ

Hey there! I just closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Communities in Hammonton, NJ as merge to Hammonton, New Jersey, but I'm unsure of how to approach this task. I am unfamiliar with the subject, but you have indicated that you know about this town. Do you think you could point out which content is worth merging and merge it to the article? I was initially inclined to just copy-paste the content into the lead, or a "Communities" section, but no such section exists, and the article's tone is less than formal. Thanks! Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the close. I think that I've already added the appropriate material to the Hammonton article, so there's nothing else that needs to be done. Alansohn (talk) 23:12, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

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It is. And not feeding a troll is a significant factor. The editor in question was warned a year and at least 50 sockpuppet accounts ago that any further edits he made would be considered as vandalism, and he has not stopped. It does not matter, per Misplaced Pages's banning policy, that the edits are constructive; the mere fact that they are made by a banned user makes them disruptive and requiring rollback so that the banned editor is not rewarded for evading their ban using illegimate accounts - so that Misplaced Pages is made better and not worse. If you believe this shouldn't be the case, then please open a discussion at the policy page to change the policy. In the meantime, as a legitimate editor you are more than welcome to re-add the categories yourself, but please don't make personal attacks on editors and admins who are applying policy and discouraging trolls when you do so. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:17, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

If you keep useful content, you make the encyclopedia better; If you remove it, you make it worse. I saw the categories removed in a manner that made the encyclopedia worse, and I reinserted them. I don't give a crap if a troll or a sockpuppet or a pedophile or a mass murderer added the content: If it's good, it stays. If you believe that your role as an administrator is to mindlessly apply policies regardless of their impact, then we're all worse off. No one is forcing you to follow orders and you are free to apply a tiny measure of common sense in cases where useful material would be lost by blindly observing some policy. Is there any way to discourage admins and other editors who delete useful content in the name of enforcing editing purity? That's a discussion worth starting. Alansohn (talk) 02:32, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

If you believe the policy is incorrect and needs changing, please start a discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Banning policy. Until and unless that happens, the common sense procedure is not to feed the trolls. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:44, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

If you truly believe that destroying Misplaced Pages is the best way to save it and that deleting content -- regardless of its value -- is an appropriate way to deal with "trolls", systematically and mindlessly removing anything they have ever touched, good or bad, we are truly screwed up far worse than I could ever have believed. As bad as the editor in question might be, its admins who refuse to use any brainpower who can and do cause far more damage than any troll could ever do. Alansohn (talk) 18:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

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South Orange, local Arts baird center

Ok I understand what your saying, however, the information included is not promotional, no more than that of the only included arts center SOPAC, whose very nature is FOR PROFIT, further more, I followed there reference links and it takes you to their page and the information is copied and pasted from their page. How is that ok but what I have done not OK? please explain that. I have attempted to right it my owns before only to have it taken by you last week, and because it wasn't referenced or cited and you said it wasn't in my own words, WHICH IT WAS. how do you write in your own words and then cite that exact wordage with out it being copyright infringement. I see you have a log list of edits, why don't you add the correct info then since it seems to be conveniently omitted from the arts section as well as local government section. How are we to include the pertinent info w/o being considered a COI or promotion when the only ARTS mentioned is a SHAMELESS promotion of a for profit organization? How is that fair. how is their (SOPAC) information encyclopedic and ours not? This is the first time am having to do this and I am EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED! I do not understand how the only arts mentioned gets away with doing exactly what I did and not having that info removed as well? EXPLAIN! thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBairdArts (talk • contribs) 20:03, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Hopewell Valley High School

Hi Alan- Diplomas and alumni lists are very scarce online. And I can't imagine a lot of rock stars talk about high school in articles. What about linked In? It shows he went to Ho-Val on that. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Greg/Glasson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sapphire1 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

If you look through this article,and that for other schools and places in New Jersey, you'll see that the overwhelming majority of such entries are accompanied by a reliable source establishing their connection to the school / place. Local color articles and other biographical coverage will often focus on schools, so it should come up somewhere. LinkedIn isn't generally accepted in Misplaced Pages as a reliable source, but I will take a look. Alansohn (talk) 22:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

After looking at the page, the material is a mirror of his Misplaced Pages article and it isn't clear that the page is his. This shouldn't be used to source anything in Misplaced Pages. Alansohn (talk) 22:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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Sewell residents/people

There is a dog listed in Sewell people, thus the re-naming of the section. — TiMike (talk) 01:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

"Notable people" is the standard, even if there are animals included. You can create a notable dogs section, if you prefer. Alansohn (talk) 01:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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/* Notable alumni */ Added Maria Pitillo to Alumni list.

Hello,

Can you provide me details of this? I have a news article that puts her at Northern Highlands, as well as her classmates,com profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djfitzgerald111 (talk • contribs) 04:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC) Djfitzgerald111 (talk) 04:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

My source material:

The Record (Bergen County, NJ) May 23, 1998 | BOB IVRY, Staff Writer BOB IVRY, Staff Writer The Record (Bergen County, NJ) 05-23-1998 UPSTAGED BY A LIZARD -- MAHWAH'S MARIA PITILLO FINDS GLORY IN GODZILLA'S GIANT SHADOW By BOB IVRY, Staff Writer Date: 05-23-1998, Saturday Section: YOUR TIME Edition: All Editions -- Two Star B, Two Star P, One Star Biographical: MARIA PITILLO

Pitillo is a self-described rebel whose scrap with an English teacher caused her to be barred from her Northern Highlands graduation. Though her mother now lives in Nyack, N.Y., and her dad's in Waldwick, she moved to Los Angeles when she decided to pursue acting and describes Mahwah as "a good place to get out of." Djfitzgerald111 (talk) 04:13, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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David P. Levin (and Teaneck)

Thank you so much for your feedback. Am new to this and appreciate any criticism...

I understand the difficulty with imdb, and will only use them as a tertiary source in the future, except for filmographies.

Just for clarification. I changed the name in the article from "Route 4" because I felt it was not specific enough. Did it denote a county road? A federal route? I know that the locals in Teaneck refer to it as "Route 4" (having been raised there), but thought the more specific would be preferable.

I will endeavor to get links to Mr. Levin's birthplace (which I got off of imdb), as well. One question, can citations be to published works (e.g. books, newspapers) rather than to online links?

Onel5969 (talk) 01:18, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Okay, reviewed your edits on David P. Levin, and completely understand them. As I get better sources, will cite as appropriate. Thanks for all your help... am trying to feel my way through this and just want to make sure my stuff is "up to snuff"...

Onel5969 (talk) 02:30, 13 December 2013 (UTC)