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==Bisk Farm==

Wish You a very happy new year
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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)


ICHTHUS

June 2013

From the Editor

Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...

A Handel manuscript
  • ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

Calendar
The coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.


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Original Research

Hi Chris. Belated welcome back to Misplaced Pages. You may recall that, back in September, you suggested that I had tried to publish original research in the Thomas More article. That accusation is completely untrue, and I would appreciate it if you could withdraw it. You responded at the time, which I appreciate, but you didn't withdraw the accusation regarding original research. In fact you compounded it by suggesting that I had attempted to edit the More page "according to my own opinions" and that I had done so "as if what believe is unquestionably true". As it happens, you're mistaken on that score too: there are very few things I believe to be "unquestionably true" - Cogito Ergo Sum and Pythagoras's theorem would be two contenders, and I'm not even certain of those - so the idea that I regard my beliefs about Thomas More as being beyond question, let alone that I would edit Misplaced Pages accordingly, is very wide of the mark. But I don't want to spend too long debating your assumptions about what I believe. All I want is to tackle once and for all the suggestion that I attempted to publish original research in the More article. Could you therefore please substantiate that accusation or withdraw it. I think I've been quite patient in waiting two months (and counting) for this to be resolved. I fully accept that you felt the need to take time away from Misplaced Pages in October, and realise that you could not respond at that time, but now that you are back I'd appreciate it if you could resolve this outstanding question. Brooklyn Eagle (talk) 02:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm so sorry. You deserved an answer long ago and I failed to get back to you. I had begun developing a reply but I wanted to be precise since there's been disagreement. Sadly, I was overcome by events. I've already posted to the More talk page so the audience can see it there. I'm going to be brief, so please no tendentious replies.
Take for instance your deletion. You went on a long explanation of why you thought that content was biased. You never provided sources beyond your own belief about More. You never provided any academic criticism of Marius's book.
I previously brought up your deletion at Catherine of Aragon. The text communicated what the cited sources said. It's not up to Brooklyn Eagle on behalf of the English-speaking world to determine the sources didn't mean what they said. As I suggested back on 8 October, you are welcome to remove improperly sourced content or use the inline templates to raise questions about particular sentences. I've looked at your edit history and I agree that often you've helpfully removed POV and bias from various articles. This time I think you're stretching too far, especially considering you haven't brought a single source with you after all these weeks.
In conclusion, if you felt I claimed you were writing original research, consider that rescinded. I think you can go on at least using inline templates and raising questions on talk pages about POV issues. And please, adopt a nicer tone. I'm trying to appreciate your zeal for getting this right but you don't come off well at all and it makes a difficult discussion needlessly harder. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, and also for the gift of sugar, which was a nice gesture. No worries about the delay, I realise you were busy. Besides, as you can see from this, I'm not exactly lightning fast when it comes to replying either.

With regard to what you say, you keep bringing up Catherine of Aragon, despite the fact I've already acknowledged I might have erred on that occasion. I stand over trying to correct the ludicrous idea that we can have any idea at this remove whether CofA was beautiful or not, and particularly the patently untrue suggestion that Shakespeare (who was born after CofA died) described her as such, but I accept that I should have handled it differently. So I repeat my question from last time: are you going to keep bringing it up forever, or can we get back to the discussion in hand? The discussion in hand was about Thomas More.

With respect to your request that I change my tone, I'm sorry if I sound harsh. As I've said several times, I take very personally the suggestion that I tried to publish original research. I'm glad that you've now acknowledged that that accusation is untrue, but your statement (on the Thomas More talk page) that you never said it in the first place does rather undermine the apparent goodwill you showed by rescinding said accusation.

But I'm prepared to offer you the benefit of the doubt, to accept that because of the passage of time you've forgotten the occasion on which you suggested that I'd tried to publish original research. So let me refresh your memory. Here's what you said of my attempt to edit the More page: "It is not the job of editors to philosophize about St. Thomas More." What you meant by "philosophize" might possibly seem open to interpretation but, fortunately, we don't need to do any interpretation. You very helpfully and clearly spelt out what you meant by "philosophize". You'll note that that passage is in blue font, and if you click on it you will be redirected to ... yep, Misplaced Pages's prohibition on the publication of original research.

I hope that jogs your memory. Like I say, I do appreciate the retraction, but perhaps you can see why it doesn't sound entirely sincere when that retraction is along the lines of "If you think I accused you of something then please consider the accusation rescinded (but in fact I never accused you of it in the first place)". Brooklyn Eagle (talk) 05:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi. Would the article pass B5 now? It Is Me Here 16:54, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Done. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:26, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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gun control rfc

As you were involved in a previous discussion on this topic, I am notifying you of a new RFC on this topic. Talk:Gun_control#Authoritarianism_and_gun_control_RFCGaijin42 (talk) 16:29, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks! Merry Christmas! Chris Troutman (talk) 07:34, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Your TPS response to my question

Hi Chris, Firstly thank you so much for getting back to me with an answer, I appreciate the heads up about the get to know wikipedia thing also... very amusing... I can't wait to get past chapter 1. Anyway I found an article which I was reading, I went to the reference to find the information mentioned and it wasn't in the article at all... In fact the name didn't even appear in the particular article... It could be an intentional error to create a valid reason for a link from wikipedia... Which seams a little fishy... I am asking as my grandfather who is Iranian suggested the information is incorrect...

article: Iranian Australian The first case of an Iranian to enter Australia and gain Australian citizenship was Jacques Cadry in 1951. ^ Hassall, Graham; (ed.) Ata, Abe (1989). Religion and Ethnic Identity, An Australian Study. Melbourne: Victoria College & Spectrum. pp. Chapter "Persian Bahá'ís in Australia" The article cited does not mention Mr Cadry at all... I don't know if this is a useful edit to make but I thought the fact may require a little more checking? Thanks Dan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danomitey (talkcontribs) 10:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean. I removed that sentence and the spurious reference. In the future, be bold and make changes when needed. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

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Bisk Farm

Wish You a very happy new year Bisk Farm is my article,Please do not change any thing.All the details are related to originality.

Anurag Chakraborty 11:13 am, 3 January 2014 (UTC)