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Should lists of notable players be deleted or tagged ?
Should lists of notable players within club articles be deleted or tagged ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Fenix_down
(League Octopus 13:25, 20 January 2014 (UTC))
- Does this wording address the issue?
- Former EXAMPLE CLUB players with Misplaced Pages articles are listed below:
- Refer to this example:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/K%C3%A4pyl%C3%A4n_Pallo#Former_players
- I can use this format for larger clubs:
- but it seems pointless for smaller clubs. It will mean undetaking a lot more format work re categories & links with very little in terms of content.
- This is another example where I have introduced nationality into the criteria. In my view details of foreign players is most important info that we should not be deleting.
Hi, saw this so thought I might as well comment as it is about my editing. I used to tag such lists, but have stopped doing so because the manual of style seemed pretty clear about things and very few of the lists ever got the required inclusion criteria. Personally, I would say that a list of all players with a wikipedia article is not necessary. The link to the category by definition suffices and such a list would not only become unmanageable over time as every player, but would suggest that a player playing for a low league team who then played one game in a fully professional league but would not otherwise pass NFOOTY is more notable than a player who spent their whole career at the club making hundreds of appearances but did not do sufficient to pass NFOOTY of GNG.
Using the example you highlighted first, of the two players on that list, one of which merely was there as a youth player, never making a first team appearance and the other made only 34 league appearances according to their articles. Why would they be called out separately? Why are they specifically notable players at that club just because they have a WP article? To me it seems like both of them actually accomplished very little while at the club.
Additionally, being foreign is not necessarily something that makes a player notable beyond basic WP notability? If the notion of foreign players at a specific club has garnered significant reliable coverage then by all means discuss it, but a random list of players simply because they are of a different nationality strikes me as OR, the editor effectively saying, "these players are foreign, therefore they are inherently more notable than those who are not".
Happy to undo my edits if people disagree and won't remove any more until there is more discussion here. Fenix down (talk) 16:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- There are some very useful points being made above by Fenix down but in my view we should be acting upon firm guidance/discussion from WT:FOOTY (assuming there has been none already) if we are to adopt the wholesale deletion of lists of Notable/Former players from Club Articles. At the moment it appears that Finland is the first country to receive the "big-hit".
- As a starting point:
- 1. Is a consistent approach being followed across all countries?
- 2. Should we tag before we delete?
- 3. Should we give a reasonable period (say 2 months) to respond to the tag before deletion?
- 4. Should we provide some proper guidance to Editors on including/excluding lists of Notable/Former players in Club Articles?
- 5. Can we use a bot to enable the provision of Category generated lists?
- 6. Can our current dialogue form the basis of a discussion by WT:FOOTY?
- NB: An example of a list that has been deleted;
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Helsingin_Jalkapalloklubi&oldid=591303676#Notable_former_players
- An example of a list being protected:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/Merstham_F.C.#Former_players
- An example of a Category List:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/Grays_Athletic#Former_players
- https://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Grays_Athletic_F.C._players
- (League Octopus 19:12, 20 January 2014 (UTC))
- This discussion should be at WP:FOOTBALL ideally. GiantSnowman 19:33, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- Would be happy for it to be copied over to WP:FOOTBALL if Fenix down agrees. (League Octopus 19:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC))
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