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Labels shouldn't be used per WP:LABEL and of course as it has been established in many other discussions Bogdanovic isn't RS.--— ZjarriRrethues —  20:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect. There was no label in the removed text. Unless you present link to the RSN discussion whith consensus that Bogdanovic is not RS for the context used in this article don't remove referenced text.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:38, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Please don't rv claims about terrorists based on Bogdanovic, a flagrantly unreliable source i.e. WP:LABEL, WP:RS.--— ZjarriRrethues —  20:41, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Unless you present link to the RSN discussion whith consensus that Bogdanovic is not RS for the context used in this article don't remove referenced text.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:42, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

All reviews agree that he isn't RS, so no RSN is necessary and there's no context at all. You've used his nationalist views as facts.--— ZjarriRrethues —  20:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes it is necessary. If you are right, and I think you are not, you will have an easy job at RSN.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

(unindent)Disagreeing without sources to support your disagreement is a non-view i.e

• • Despite its relative backwardness and isolation, Kosovo’s status as a focus for Serbian nationalism and flash point for armed conflict has generated a large literature describing the region’s history. The Kosovo problem is evoked from a Serbian perspective in Dimitrije Bogdanović, Knijga o Kosovu.

• Bogdanovic was the author of a very influential study called Knjiga o Kosovu, which was published among the numerous revisionist writings of 1985

• Book about Kosovo wanted to portray the Serbs as the sole victims of historical persecution, it thus sought to counter the claims of Albanian victimization during the interwar period.

• According to Bogdanovic his aim was to to defend Yugoslavia's territorial integrity threatened and undermined by Albanian nationalism--— ZjarriRrethues —  20:56, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Good point. Thank you for presenting sources which support that work of Bogdanovic is indeed "very influential study" which presents "a Serbian perspective" countering "the claims of Albanian victimization during the interwar period" of "Albanian nationalism" aimed to threaten and undermine "Yugoslavia's territorial integrity". Yes his work is reliable although it failed to defend Yugoslavia's territorial integrity.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Using half-sentences from the reviews won't make them less unfavorable towards his work.--— ZjarriRrethues —  21:20, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

There is nothing unfavorable in countering "the claims of Albanian victimization during the interwar period" with "very influential study" which presents "a Serbian perspective" trying (unsuccessfully) to "defend Yugoslavia's territorial integrity threatened and undermined by Albanian nationalism".

You can check yourself. Just go to Google Scholar and type Dimitrije Bogdanovic.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:35, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Using half-sentences from the reviews won't make them less unfavorable towards his work. Btw I found only another source (Serbian, no English-language or Albanian-language ones) that mentions this organization. Apparently, it either didn't exist or was such a minor one that it was deemed notable only by a couple of revisionist works.--— ZjarriRrethues —  22:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

There is nothing unfavorable in countering "the claims of Albanian victimization during the interwar period" with "very influential study" which presents "a Serbian perspective" trying (unsuccessfully) to "defend Yugoslavia's territorial integrity threatened and undermined by Albanian nationalism". You can check yourself. Just go to Google Scholar and type Dimitrije Bogdanovic.

If source is "Serbian, no English-language or Albanian-language ones, does it mean it is of less value"? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

How reliable is Bogdanovic

I can't help but staring to the sentences "Armaments which were transported from Albania to Kosovo presented significant danger and was forcibly collected in period 1954—1957. Groups for diversions and terrorist acts were infiltrated from Albania into territory of Yugoslavia, killing government officials and terrorized Serbian population of Kosovo". Where does Bogdanovic base this? And I see that the text is from kosovo.net, which can be anything but reliable source when it comes to Albanians.
The article Albanian Subversion describes part of the history of insurgents financed by British Intelligence, passing from Yugoslavia and even Greece into Albania. It surprises me that Bogdanovic pretends the other way around, in 50s - 60s, Albanian insurgents were crossing the border into Yugoslavia and terrorizing the population. Wouldn't it be mentioned somewhere else but kosovo.net?
Furthermore, Hysen Trpeza went to Greece where Hoxha's agents almost killed him, from there to Turkey, Germany, US, and back to Switzerland. No info on him coming to Albania, crossing the border and terrorizing people there.
Mondiad (talk) 01:03, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Indeed this is all true. I study history, and this Third League of Prizren concept is to be found only in Misplaced Pages (and probably some sick minded bloggers who are copied here). Asked for quotations in English, right now they are in Serbian, and, as such unverifiable. Reliable sources are needed. --Vetemekenshkodran (talk) 19:07, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

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