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Feature list

What about adding a feature list of the advantages of Debian over others? For example preseeded installations.

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Steam

It seems to me that the availability of Steam for Linux has gotten a lot of attention in the trade press, with some commentators saying it could be a game changer. I think it is notable enough for a mention.--agr (talk) 23:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but isn't that better suitable for the Linux Gaming and maybe SteamOS articles? -- Dsimic (talk) 01:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Steam OS beta is now available and Debian Wheezy (stable) based. See following blog post why this is more relevant than ever for Debian: http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2013/12/14-SteamOS/ There is no doubt that SteamOS should be covered on the Debian article :) Skx7 17:49, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Got it! You're right, that totally deserves to be mentioned in this article. — Dsimic (talk) 17:58, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Timetable

Hi, I think timetable should be updated (include 6.0.8 release - http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20131020), but I can't do this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.240.45.197 (talk) 12:44, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

First Image

Is it really necessary, to repeat it three times? "only the first optical iso image of any of its downloadable sets is sufficient. Debian requires the first installable image, but uses online repositories for additional software. Debian's basic installation requires only the first CD or DVD of its release in order to have a working desktop ex" 141.39.13.45 (talk) 07:35, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Debian private practices and Debian Women activities

The undoing from 80.100.245.50 claims vandalism. As I understand, the content does meet Misplaced Pages requirements (neutral point of view, verifiability, etc). Most references are already in Debian, from many different contributors. The bug reports cited are archived, hosted in Debian and have been subject to Debian review. All references are appropriate for an article about Debian.

I would like whoever makes the undoing to challenge the material or to prove that what was written is wrong. In the meantime, I will restore the content. It is obvious that the user from 80.100.245.50 is the one doing vandalism. For instance, it is a fact that debian-private and a related General Resolution exist.

I would like to request for arbitration if consensus cannot be reached. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.127.80.114 (talk) 04:23, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

The users removing content are refusing to talk, challenge the material or prove the opposite. What does campaigning have to do? Please be specific, what points have been infringed (advertising, opinion pieces...)? This is the second time a user has removed debian-private existence, which is an easy verifiable fact.

Rwxrwxrwx has removed the references about account locking, leaving the material unsourced. The reference in "Developer recruitment" shows that Sven Luther, Andrew Suffield and Jonathan/Ted Walter are in this situation. This is not one specific case. This is not an ongoing dispute, but facts that happened in 2007. Expulsion from Debian is not something theoretical.

About applicant influx, "As in the wider technology field", I challenge that edit. Debian has less than 1% developers identified as female.

The removal of the "Female recruitment" subsection would make sense if the previous edits were right, but it is not the case.

Rwxrwxrwx is a proud Debian user. It is significant that the user has Catalan skills and that those are better than Spanish ones. Rwxrwxrwx has removed facts without a good explanation and has proved to be unable to keep neutrality. This user has a conflict of interest (WP:COI).

miranda already found this article to fail the neutral point of view. I request that readers do not remove facts they do not like without explained reasons. I will restore the content again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.127.80.114 (talk) 00:17, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

• How is it "significant" that I know some Catalan? You should familiarise yourself with WP:NPA. And how do I have a "conflict of interest"? Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 10:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Rwxrwxrwx has removed virtually all content without a good explanation, twisting the remaining content. The user advertises to contribute using Debian GNU/Linux, therefore a conflict of interest is a likely cause. Assuming the user has actually read the content, one reference title is "debian-user-catalan ruled by fear". Thus Catalan and Spanish skill levels are significant. The user may be subscribed to debian-user-catalan and know the background. 84.127.80.114 (talk) 22:19, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I am biased in favor of Debian by default, and a few factoids found in these edits should be included in the article, but the edits overall are an egregious WP:SOAPBOX violation. The English is bad, the references are largely sub par, and the use of weasel words is plentiful. Overall, it's just a lot of editorializing over largely fringe topics. Please don't use Misplaced Pages if you have an axe to grind. --Joy (talk) 14:36, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, Joy is a Debian developer. But he may help anyway. Please tell what "factoids" should be included and suggest a better English wording. 84.127.80.114 (talk) 22:19, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

The users removing content are still refusing to talk, challenge the material or prove the opposite; Rwxrwxrwx has challenged the WP:COI only. Another excuse: bug reports and emails are not necessarily reliable sources. But these bug reports and emails are reliable sources for the presented material. WP:REF even mentions the template to cite public mailing lists. I can improve the citation style if necessary. Besides, there are other reference types. A General Resolution is a reliable source. This is the third time a user has removed debian-private.

There has been only censorship so far. I am trying to improve a Misplaced Pages article. The dispute resolution is not advancing. Can we start moving forward?

Developers can be expelled by the leader's delegates.

Any objections?

In the meantime, I will restore the content. There has been not a single sensible explanation to remove it. 84.127.80.114 (talk) 22:19, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Consensus has been acquired, the content should not be on the Debian page see here mthinkcpp (talk) 09:54, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Consensus has not been reached, since there has been no consensus-building in the first place. I would like to point that mthinkcpp cannot handle criticism. This user did remove the C++ criticism along with the content despite an ongoing discussion (Mthink cpp). This user lies in the user talk page when claiming that I accuse "those (several users) who revoke the edits of vandalism"; this Debian talk page clearly shows what I have actually written. 84.127.80.114 (talk) 01:40, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

No other user is even trying to talk. There has been not a single effort to challenge the material. This is plain censorship. This is not a content-related issue, but conduct-related. Since administrator help has already been requested, I will wait for their answer. 84.127.80.114 (talk) 01:40, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

• Guys and IP addresses, this whole thing is quite ridiculous. Personally, I've been following it from day one, but haven't had enough energy to investigate/research the whole thing into detail. Are there any people who can shed some light, please, but not only by stating that the provided references are not good enough etc.? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:57, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I ask Dsimic to check just the first sentence, the one I have written:

Developers can be expelled by the leader's delegates.

This is in the Debian Constitution, section 3.2.2. 84.127.80.114 (talk) 02:30, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

So what? Should a Debian developer be protected like a polar bear, making his/her own membership unconditionally of a lifetime nature? Sure thing that a constitution needs something like this, as the last measure in line if a developer starts acting crazy. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Please keep to the point. Did I provide a fact and a reliable source? 84.127.80.114 (talk) 02:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you did. What next? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:50, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I do not want to abuse Dsimic's time. I am still waiting for the administrator answer and there are other users that disagree. The next sentence for a different volunteer. Of course, if Dsimic thinks he can do better than other users and that he can represent them, I will proceed. 84.127.80.114 (talk) 03:02, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't think I'm better than other people; anyway, you should be presenting your arguments more cleanly, possibly with alternative/additional references, if they're available. Just as an advice. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 03:22, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

What about this explanation of the debian-private mailing list (which is part of this 2005 article), for example? That makes it look completely different when compared to the conspiracy theories presented by 84.127.80.114. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Can anyone cite or explain these so called "conspiracy theories"? How does an article about a General Resolution and a user reply compare to the actual General Resolution? 84.127.80.114 (talk) 02:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I have received an answer from the administrator. Please try to assume good faith. As I said, I am trying to improve a Misplaced Pages article. I know there is a reason users acted that way. It is difficult to accept the truth. Maybe I presented too much material at once. But criticism is actually a good thing. Misplaced Pages has its own criticism page and users are still in the project. I will try to reintroduce the material more slowly.

My intent is to not cite too many references and keep the changes within a reasonable size. Of course, I hope users can provide more useful feedback if they think further explanations are necessary.

The administrator made a content challenge in the reply. I would like to request the assistance of Joy.

Debian makes many non-security decisions not available to the public, via debian-private.

The reference proves debian-private existence. A reference in the next paragraph will show one decision. I do not know if security decisions are made in debian-private. As I understand, it is absurd to criticize security decisions done privately. Is it disputed that Debian makes many non-security decisions via debian-private?

Because there are no objections, I will add the previous sentence about expulsion. 84.127.80.114 (talk) 12:22, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

1. ^ Cite error: The named reference constitution was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
2. "Private discussions among developers". Debian. Retrieved 2014-02-14.

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