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Deleted page: The Clockwork Quartet

Hi, I see you have deleted the page The Clockwork Quartet based on Misplaced Pages:CSD#A7. As far as I am aware, there was no prior discussion as to whether the page should be deleted or not; would that not have been more appropriate, so any issues could be addressed? Disclaimer: I am a member of The Clockwork Quartet, although I (we) had nothing to do with the creation of the article. Thanks. - Lawsonstu (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Lawsonstu. The speedy deletion tag on the article was A7 and G11; more accurately, three criteria for A7 ({{db-inc}},{{db-band}}, and {{db-web}}) listed separately, as well as the G11. Based on the content of the article, all of those criteria actually apply, although I selected only the first of them. Having reviewed the references, there is only one that is a review of a single released by the group that is mainly about the group. The Guardian article is focused on the genre and includes two and a half paragraphs out of 15 on Clockwork Quartet, and similarly-sized chunks about other "bands". Now, if you'd like, I would consider undeleting and moving to userspace, although there's that nagging COI issue. How about I ask any administrators who are watching my page to give a second opinion on the deleted article to see if there are some contrary opinions? If so, then I will undelete it and leave it for someone to put an AfD tag on it. Risker (talk) 04:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Comment from a talk page stalker. I've seen the cached version (I'm not an admin). I would have thought that minimally this should have been prodded or gone to AfD rather than speedied, given two paragraphs in the The Guardian and the article in New Musical Express. There's also a dedicated article in the Evening Standard and a brief mention in Steampunk Magazine (there may be more in their print edition). If userfied, it will need copyediting to remove buzz words like "helmed", cherry-picked quotes, etc. and they will need to supply full bibliographic information for the NME article, which I suspect is from the print edition and therefore behind a paywall, e.g. author, date, page number(s) etc. If it's userfied to someone with a COI, they should submit the draft via Articles for creation, to ensure that neutral eyes assess it before it goes into article space. Voceditenore (talk) 09:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both for the explanation and discussion. From looking at the cached page, I can see that Voceditenore is write about it needing a lot of copyediting to make it more NPOV. It might be best for me to not get involved any further, but if it's deemed acceptable, I would be happy to host the draft on my userspace and submit a more neutral version for AfC. - Lawsonstu (talk) 18:42, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Lawsonstu, the page is now moved to User:Lawsonstu/The Clockwork Quartet. Risker (talk) 05:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Feedback needed on using special characters

Hello. Thank you for using VisualEditor! Having editors use it is the best way for the Wikimedia Foundation to develop it into the best tool it can be.

While we always welcome general feedback (please report any issues in Bugzilla in the "VisualEditor" product or drop your feedback on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org), the developers are especially interested right now in feedback on the special character inserter. This new tool is used for inserting special characters (including symbols like ₥, IPA pronunciation symbols, mathematics symbols, and characters with diacritics). It is intended to help people whose computers do not have good character inserters. For example, many Mac users prefer to use the extensive "Special Characters..." tool present at the bottom of the Edit menu in all applications or to learn the keyboard shortcuts for characters like ñ and ü.

The current version of the special characters tool in VisualEditor is very simple and very basic. It will be getting a lot of work in the coming weeks and months. It does not contain very many character sets at this time. (The specific character sets can be customized at each Misplaced Pages, so that each project could have a local version with the characters it wants.) But the developers want your ideas at this early stage about ways that the overall concept could be improved. I would appreciate your input on this question, so please try out the character inserter and tell me what changes to the design would (or would not!) best work for you.

Issues you might consider:

• How often do you normally use Misplaced Pages's character inserters?
• Which character sets are useful to you? Should it include all 18 of the character sets provided in the wikitext editor's newer toolbar at the English Misplaced Pages, the 10 present in the older editor toolbar, or some other combination of character sets?
• How many special characters would you like to see at one time?
  • Should there be a "priority" or "favorites" section for the 10 or 12 characters that most editors need most often? Is it okay if you need an extra click to go beyond the limited priority set?
  • How should the sections be split up? Should they be nested? Ordered?
  • How should the sections be navigated? Should there be a drop-down? A nested menu?
• The wikitext editor has never included many symbols and characters, like ℗ and ♀. Do you find that you need these missing characters? If the character inserter in VisualEditor includes hundreds or thousands of special characters, will it be overwhelming? How will you find the character you want? What should be done for users without enough space to display more than a few dozen characters?
• Should the character inserter be statically available until dismissed? Should it hover near the mouse? Should it go away on every selection or 10 seconds after a selection with no subsequent ones?
• Some people believe that the toolbar already has too many options—how would you simplify it?

The developers are open to any thoughts on how the special character inserter can best be developed, even if this requires significant changes. Please leave your views on the central feedback page, or, if you'd prefer, you can contact me directly on my talk page. It would be really helpful if you can tell me how frequently you need to use special characters in your typical editing and what languages or other special characters are important to you.

Thank you again for your work with VisualEditor and for any feedback you can provide. I really do appreciate it.

P.S. You might be interested in the current ideas about improving citations, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

here's the part

<link redacted because it is a copyright violation per WP:ELNEVER> 61.7.134.231 (talk) 06:16, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I heard the same interview. "Having bombed the crap out of the Serbs, we signed a peace accord, and we were pushed up to Pristina, the capital. And I was remarkably put as the very first true leader, the first officer, to lead 30,000 people up there. And when we got to the airport in Pristina, General Wesley Clark told us to overrun and overpower the 200 Russians who had beaten us to the airport." Do you really think James Blunt, a mere lieutenant, signed the peace accord? Is there much dispute that there was a lot of aerial bombing happening? (To be fair, it was poor choice of wording.) Nonetheless, the response of a musician to this statement isn't relevant; if it was the Serbian President, it would be. And no, it really doesn't matter how popular the musician is.

On a side note, the youtube link you provided is definitely a copyright violation, so I've redacted it here. The quotation above is from a copy of the full episode available on a Spanish site, which I *think* (but am not certain) is legitimate. Because of my uncertainty I will not link to it here, but you could probably find it if you poke around at revistasafetycar.com. Risker (talk) 06:54, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

elnever is for articles, not talk pages... populr singer responding to popular singer makes sense... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.7.134.188 (talk) 07:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Erm, no. ELNEVER is for everywhere on the project; they're links to copyright violations, and aren't permitted. And no, popular singer's response to decorated war veteran isn't parallel. I've spent some time poking around and the papers involved rank somewhere around the "Daily Mail" level, which we don't usually use around here. Please respond further on the article talk page. Risker (talk) 07:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Exciting!

Hi Risker. You may find this and this exciting. In case you're wondering, Dan Garry is User:DGarry (WMF). — This, that and the other (talk) 09:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)