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*I don't know if you've seen what I posted to AN, but the gist is that if you agree to stop reverting, I'll quite happily unblock you. Is this something you'd like to discuss further? ] | ] 12:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC) *I don't know if you've seen what I posted to AN, but the gist is that if you agree to stop reverting, I'll quite happily unblock you. Is this something you'd like to discuss further? ] | ] 12:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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Kilmurry Ibrickane (Kilmurray)

Good morning,

The Rfd at WP:RFD#Kilmurry Ibrickane (village), it seems somewhat controversial between you and User:Dr. Blofeld what to do about the targets and whether which one is WP:PRIMARY. I have known (only from WP not in real life) Blofeld for many years so I don't want to be seen to be taking sides. My position is simply that the articles themselves or their titles have to be sorted out between yourselves before there is any hope of discussing the redirect, since they are all being moved about after you brought it to RfD, so how can an editor comment on the RfD when it is being moved about and the hatnote removed and stuff? But I didn't want you to think that simply cos I have acquaintance with Blofeld that would mean I would immediately take his side, I just hadn't seen him for a long time so wanted just to say hello. Si Trew (talk) 09:06, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

The facts are quite simple: he is wrong and refuses to acknowledge that. And with his reputation as edit warrior, I just can wait what he is doing and try to repair the damage and minimize the effects. He is totally confused by the civil parishes and seems to think that they are still active (no), that they are historical (no, not active but never formally abolished. If I am correct they are still in use for liquor licenses), that they are identical to RC parishes (no). The relationship with Protestant parishes is ignored, although the civil parishes are based on the (former) Protestant parishes. And I don't know (and don't care) where he is living but he should not be messing around with places and parishes that I know first hand because I am living there... The Banner talk 11:18, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

tailor-surname

Discussion moved into Template talk:Tailor-surname, where other people may join the discussion. - Altenmann >t 16:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Would you please stop disrupting the navigation template by unlinking the lists of surnames from it. - Altenmann >t 16:04, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

On the other hand, I am not linking to disambig pages. I thought I complied with your previous reverts and now I link to pages called "something (surname)" rather than "something (disambiguation)". If there is a wikipedia rule which forbids doing so, I am happy to comply with it as well. You being annoyed, just take a break, relax and have some beer or milk. Misplaced Pages is mightily annoying, that I can agree. - Altenmann >t 16:22, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Did you ever follow the links you have added?
"Sarti (surname)" redirects to "Sarti", a disambiguation page
"Sartre (surname)" redirects to "Sartre (disambiguation)", a disambiguation page
So please, create real articles about the surnames... The Banner talk 16:32, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
So please hear other people as well. DId you happen to look in the tepmalte talk page? It explains why it is done so. You also did not answer my question where linking to disambig pages is forbidden. It fact, it is expressly allowed. - Altenmann >t 16:35, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
There is a whole WikiProject to fight against/solve links to disambiguation pages. So you could say people consider those links into thin air as a problem. It are in fact fake links, not directing you to a real article. See Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation#Links_to_disambiguation_pages for the Guideline. The Banner talk 16:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Lakes

I find this incomprehensible, but I'm willing to listen to other views, and have started a discussion on Talk:Lakes accordingly. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 23:02, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld

I find your posts on Dr. Blofeld's talk page inappropriate. It appears that nominations closed in your favour, so do the decent thing and go about yourself in a dignified manner. Don't go trolling and grave dancing on a users talk page as that is not a very civil thing to do. Cassianto 23:59, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

The protection campaign for Blofeld is heart warming, but it should be useful that you take a look into HIS rude behaviour and HIS sloppy work. Censorship is not bringing Misplaced Pages forward. The Banner talk 00:05, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Maybe if you conducted yourself a bit better on here, you too would have a "protection campaign". Sadly, I do t think that will happen. I'm also puzzled at your statement that he produces "sloppy work". He has contributed more to this project in terms of new material and featured articles that you could ever hope to do yourself. His contributions should prove that if you wish to go over them. Cassianto 00:11, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes, his sloppy work. Like creating the article Kilmurry Ibrickane (village), an article about a non-existing village based only on Google Maps. And read the soap around Kilmurry Ibrickane, where he suddenly decided that the Roman Catholic parish was also a civil parish what they are not. And him ignoring my pleas not to work on civil parishes because the list provided was very bad and needed repair first (a village is off course not a civil parish). He in fact even ignores his own source that clearly states that civil parishes are based on Protestant parishes and that Roman Catholic parishes are different. The last days I am only repairing the damage he has done. I tried to keep the discussion going, but to no avail. The Banner talk 00:28, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with your arguments with him and neither do I care. WP is a big place so it would be impossible for us not to bump into someone who we don't get on with every now and again. The good doctor has decided, it appears, to take some time out and it is not right for you to go to his talk page and grave dance when the nomination has closed in your favour, knowing how passionate your opponent felt about the matter. That's why I reverted you and not, as you wrongly describe, because of his "protection campaign". Cassianto 08:59, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
It has nothing to do with grave dancing. It is now the second time he leaves Misplaced Pages after he could not win a clash with me. I looks like he still haven't recovered from the clash regarding to the Dorchester Hotel that he still is upset about it almost six months later. I don't care about people who miss the capacity to deal with set backs and have no self-reflection. He can do his thing as long as we don't come across. But I don't waver in front of bullies and drama queens. He better learns to live with that. The Banner talk 11:03, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Firstly, there is nothing magnanimous in having "clashes" and I am puzzled as to why you think you have "won" any kind of clash. It's not about winning and losing, it's about creating content and coming to an agreement when there is a differing of opinion. "Clashes" harm the project and benefit no one. Secondly, to say Dr. B holds a grudge over a past incident is both assumptive and incorrect. You really must assume good faith. Finally, to state your reluctance of "wavering in front of bullies and drama queens" is inflammatory in this context as Dr. B is neither, and I should ask you again to refer to AGF. Cassianto 19:34, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Dude, he started over the Dorchester Hotel. Because of the clash around the Dorchester Hotel he also left Misplaced Pages. So don't bother. And I take no responsibility for his prima donna behaviour and his quitting. And for AGF: I am fully prepared to accept his apologies for his accusations and behaviour. The Banner talk 19:45, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Dr. Blofeld / The Banner dispute. Thank you. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:27, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Re: WP:NOTBROKEN

I certainly appreciate your desire to bring order to the chaos that exists in links to plural titles redirecting to the singular. However, we have over 220,000 disambiguation links still to be fixed, which are actual errors (i.e., clicking on those links currently takes the reader to the wrong page). Putting aside the interpretation of WP:NOTBROKEN, wouldn't it just be a better use of your time as an editor to worry about fixing links that actually have incorrect targets (and other actual errors) before spending time on links that currently lead to the correct target? bd2412 T 17:57, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Give me a job and I will only hunt down links to disambiguation pages till we are down till about 5000/10,000 (the level the Dutch Misplaced Pages never managed to come under). If not, I just do what I think that should be done in my pace and to my own desire. The Banner talk 20:54, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
We have something better than a job - we have a contest - with a prize. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:27, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
It is funny enough to see my name nearly every month in that list, although I am not a real competitor on that. The Banner talk 21:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Ruan, County Clare, Drumcliff, County Clare, Quin, County Clare

I have restored the well-sourced additions that you removed from these articles. If you feel that the County Clare Library is not a reliable source for the information on these civil parishes, and before getting into an edit war, please discuss this on the articles' talk pages. Please first read Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ireland#Civil parishes vs villages. Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 02:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

@Aymatth2: I have answered at the Wikiproject and explained why you are, in my opinion, wrong. The Banner talk 13:51, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

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Syrian war map links

Hi, when you go about tinkering with disambiguating things at Template:Syrian civil war detailed map, take care to leave brackets on the labels. Otherwise, the letters in the names "pile up" in an unsightly fashion (example). ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 20:22, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

It would be better when you create valid links instead of links to disambiguation pages. If you do that, I don't have to do anything with that map. The Banner talk 20:36, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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UE Boom

Hello, you have nominated my article for deletion. I was quite shocked because I have spent two weeks writing it and would like to develop it towards GA. I made sure that I have included all negative aspects in the "Critique" section and didn't exaggerate the good aspects, but summarized what I have found in the reliable sources. Could you please compare it with HTC One (GA) after which I have modeled UE Boom? There wasn't really much bad to write about UE Boom, as it got "Excellent" rating from PC Magazine and iF 'Gold award'. I believe I have maintained NPOV throughout the article. I have included a number of attributed quotes too. I felt that I have actually over-criticized UE Boom by including all mentions of negative aspects. I understand that the article may look as advertisement to some, but if you will compare it with HTC One, it will just look as much. Dmatteng (talk) 16:02, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Every article is judged on its own merits, so comparing is useless. The Banner talk 17:15, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
WP:Otherstuffexists, sure. But lets take a view at the guidelines WP:Guide to deletion:
"Before nominating a recently created article, please consider that many good articles started their Wikilife in pretty bad shape. Unless it is obviously a hopeless case, consider sharing your reservations with the article creator, mentioning your concerns on the article's discussion page, and/or adding a "cleanup" template, instead of bringing the article to AfD." Dmatteng (talk) 20:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I do not buy that. Especially not after canvassing. The article is still advertising and not a neutral description. The Banner talk 01:05, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
If you think the article is advertisement, could you please:
  • a) Provide instances (words/sentences)?
  • b) Why would I intentionally mention the least number of hours of battery life that undermines the manufacturer's claim? And place it next to it? (If my desire is to advertise?)
  • c) Let's assume for the purpose of our discussion that you are absolutely right, and it is an advertisement. Why wouldn't you follow the guidelines that is designed for that specific case: WP:Guide to deletion? The article would fall exactly into: "Before nominating a recently created article.. sharing your reservations with the article creator ..instead of bringing the article to AfD." Dmatteng (talk) 11:53, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Central Baptist Theological Seminary (Kansas)

Hello The Banner. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Central Baptist Theological Seminary (Kansas), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: I've corrected the redirect to the page it is meant to go to. Thank you. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:15, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

You have replaced the loop by another loop. There is just no article about the Central Baptist Theological Seminary in Kansas and the dab-page should contain a red link. The Banner talk 12:27, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing

See Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ireland#Refusal to accept consensus. I have asked for community views on this activity. Aymatth2 (talk) 11:54, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Doora

You know the drill, please sort out your differences on the talk page. Oh, and please don't use Twinkle to edit-war; if you must edit-war, do it the old-fashioned way. And please don't template the regulars—you've been around long enough that that's the last thing that's going to de-escalate the situation. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:57, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Where did I use Twinkle to edit war? I only used it to warn Blofeld for deliberately introducing factual errors. The Banner talk 10:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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You have been blocked from editing for a period of a week for refusal to adhere to consensus, edit-warring, and an astonishing refusal to accept that your conduct is problematic, despite this being pointed out to you by multiple editors in good standing; if this continues, you will be heading towards an indefinite block. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.  HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:32, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Brilliant, I get a block for trying to keep Misplaced Pages correct while the two dudes who are knowingly introducing factual errors walk away free. The Banner talk 12:38, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't give a shot about the content at hand. Your belligerence, not the accuracy or otherwise of anyone's edits, is what's got you a week off. Perhaps take the opportunity to regain some perspective. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:43, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Just another case where the high status messer is protected against the guy who is factual right. The Banner talk 12:50, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

This is a conflict with two sides where only one side is blocked. In fact, the conflict is about introducing factual errors, mainly by stating that a village/town is equal to a civil parish. It is load and clear, also to Blofeld and Atmatt2, that this is not the case. Still they keep adding it. There is consensus that Misplaced Pages should be factual correct, so I feel obliged to correct those errors. The consensus I seem to have broken is a consensus between Blofeld and friends, not a consensus from the wider community. The Banner talk 7:45 am, 29 March 2014, last Saturday (2 days ago) (UTC−5)

Decline reason:

This unblock request primarily seeks to establish justification for edit warring. However, per WP:Edit warring, being convinced of the factual correctness of one's edits (rightly or not) is not supplied as a justification under the list of exceptions. A review of WP:NOTTHEM, if unfamiliar, might also be illuminating. - Vianello (Talk) 06:00, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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The reviewing admin may wish to review The Banner's recent edits, and his demeanour in general, in light of this discussion at WikiProject Ireland. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:50, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Banner, if we're wrong, why it is every member of WP:Ireland aside from yourself agree on the same thing and you're the only one who says we're introducing errors into articles? Civil parishes do exist whether or not they have any real substance and use today and the article we have on them explains that although not abolished they're largely not used but they still exist and the sources reflect this whether or not you agree with it. I'm quite open to wording which treats them as more historical rather than a solid present unit, but you continue to assume a belligerent stance on this and attacking the work of others rather than joining in a constructive conversation. At least half a dozen people at WP:Ireland agree on civil parish and village in one article. Do you really think that everybody is wrong and you're right?

I'll be honest. At times I see light in what you say, and I appreciate some of the work you do here, and with those photos you kindly took. But why can't you remain like that and discuss things with editors rather than treating everything like a battle? Just when I start to think you might be half decent after all you start templating, reverting and acting in a fashion which comes across as hostile and disruptive. Sure you disagree, but there is a way to go about it which is more constructive and respectful of others.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:18, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

But you are quite often stating that villages/towns are equal to civil parishes, what is clearly not the case. That is the mistake that you and Aymatt2 make all the time. That is also why I complimented Aymatt2 with his edit on Killimer. I agree that you only should make articles about parishes that are useful. I have not found any info about a real Church of Ireland parish Kilmurry Ibrickane, so I will not make an article about it. I will write an article about the Church of Ireland parish Kilfarboy, as I have useful info for that (cemetery still there, Church built in 1802 (IIRC), burnt down in 1922, removed 1970s, new church on glebe-lands outside Milltown Malbay, still there, parish amalgamated into Drumcliffe). It is an absolute mystery to me why you removed the sourced information on Doora to introduce the same old mistake (village = civil parish) once again, only to change the wording later according to the information that I provided. (The present solution with split paragraphs for the civil parish and for the Roman Catholic parish looks rather odd, as you mention the RC parish already under the civil parish. It would be sensible to merge them.)
About being respectful. Do you really think that this rant was respectful towards me? You are acting as a plain bully there, and gave me the idea of a toddler who had just dropped his ice-cream. Sorry, but I have absolutely no respect for that type of behaviour. Nor will I be that historical that I remember edits done half a year ago, something you clearly do with your referral to The Dorchester. What is the use of that? I know that my behaviour is called "curt", but your behaviour has its failing too. I am not the King of Misplaced Pages, and nor are you. So don't behave like that. The Banner talk 19:36, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
No. I walked out because I'd have said something to you which would have got me blocked that's why. We were trying to have a conversation and you went and nominated Kilmoon for AFD as we were talking. I was fuming that you did that and took the sensible option of walking away in disgust. What fair minded rational individual with good intent would nominate this for AFD during a discussion? The only person who's coming across childlike in discussions is yourself. Neither Aymatth or myself are claiming "villages are equal to parishes", we're simply saying something of a given name is a village and civil parish which it is and we have sources to back it up.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:52, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
But a village is not equal to a civil parish. That is factually wrong. But still you have restored it in Doora. You are introducing factual errors. And you are introducing those errors deliberately. Do you really not understand that a village is something else than a parish? Even after all the times that I have tried to explain that to you? The Banner talk 20:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
We didn't say a village is equal to a civil parish. We're saying that there is a village and a civil parish of that same name around it. A big difference. You're impossible.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:12, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
In you state that Doora is a village and civil parish. Not a word about just having the same name. You just suggest that it is the same. That is why I prefer , where he states that Killimer is a village in a civil parish of the same name. That is a totally different meaning. And the difference between wrong (Doora) and right (Killimer). The Banner talk 21:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
It is sad to see how a congsi undermines the reliability of the encyclopaedia... I accept defeat now Misplaced Pages is defeated and sacrificed. The Banner talk 21:25, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
The ancient Greeks, after sacrificing an animal to the gods, would avoid wasting the best meats on the animal by... eating them in a great feast at which all would rejoice. (In the rather different case of a libation, the offering was sometimes consumed later, but also sometimes poured directly onto the ground, which made it rather difficult to consume the offering - though I'm sure they kept some spare in the back room for later.) If Misplaced Pages has now been sacrificed, can I eat the best parts? (Starting with chicken vindaloo.) Thanks. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:26, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
You will have a week to feast on the spoils of Misplaced Pages. Maybe more, because with this congsi it will be very difficult to create a reliable encyclopaedia. And with administrators looking just to one side of the show, it is sure that I will have to sit out the week for repairing deliberate introduced factual errors. Sad times. The Banner talk 22:51, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! What is a "congsi", please?
Note: User:The Banner changed the heading for this section before, which I'm not entirely sure is legitimate. I've re-changed it to some Dire Straits thing; please be aware this is not The Banner's fault. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Could you please restore the original header, Demiurge? I did not change that header, I have put it in to seperate the topic from the section from The Signpost. And altering the edits of some else is, at least, frowned upon. The Banner talk 10:54, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
I've put a neutral one in. Feel free to furtle it as necessary. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Two men say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong! - Secondarywaltz (talk) 02:15, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
There's a protest singer, he's singing a protest song! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
I am not Jezus, as I make occasionally mistakes. But still, a village/town is not identical to a civil parish. The Banner talk 10:54, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
I think if you will agree with me on a few things, it would be beneficial:
  • a) Misplaced Pages is working on a principle of a consensus on what is correct, not on what is actually correct. That means, if out of 10 interested editors who are working on a certain article, 9 are wrong and 1 is factually right, the position of the 9 editors will be represented in the main space.
The 1 editor may like it or not, but this is how the things are working here, from my observation. If the editor who is factually right, starts to fight with the other 9 editors, especially edit warring, he is on the way to be indefinitely blocked.
What the 1 editor can do in such situation? He may politely approach the interested editors on the proper talk page and explain his points. If they are not accepted, either move on or politely file DRN.
Note, that even though the 1 editor may have the best of intentions and sincerely believes that he is actually correct, he might be actually wrong.
  • b) If you are nominating a certain article towards AfD, you should actually read the guidelines and follow them in a proper manner.
If an article is not NPOV in your opinion, be bold and edit, or use a cleanup template. If an article is not NPOV, it is not a ground for a nomination on AfD.
Please let me know if you would be interested to follow a) and b), and to help to improve the nominated article, including regarding NPOV. If you agree, I will ask for your block to be lifted and hope my request will be granted, and more importantly your interactions with other editors will be more peaceful. Dmatteng (talk) 16:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I am not in for a trade to benefit your advertising. Out of principle, I prefer to be blocked for a week than allow advertising and spamming. The Banner talk 20:57, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
How would you benefit me by making sure that the article is NPOV per your opinion beats me. I would also appreciate if you would cease personal attacks. No further replies are necessary. I wish to have no further interactions with you. Thank you. Dmatteng (talk) 09:24, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but I consider a conditional support for an unblock request an insult. I prefer the block than selling out my opinions. The Banner talk 11:46, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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