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Hi, thanks for you edits last year to pages about Maryam, Daud etc.

Please note that in Misplaced Pages, there is a difference between disambiguation pages and articles about names. The first are just a form of index, not articles, so it is not appropriate to include much background information there. MOS:DABNAME sets out some differences between these types of pages. I hope this is helpful.

Ramadan mubarak, and happy editing! - Fayenatic (talk) 08:32, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Copying within Misplaced Pages (Islam in India)

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January 2012

Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Misplaced Pages, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Jesus in Islam, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Firstly, those changes have been disputed, so if you wish to change the naming used in the article, please discuss it on the Talk page first and get a consensus. Also, a blanker "find and replace" breaks a number of links, because the name occurs in those too -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:37, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, 'find and replace" was not used by me, I have tried to make broken links and supported some one's right intentions as I feel. If you feel those name change is still disputed, we may support these on talk page to represent Wiki better by all.--Md iet (talk) 05:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. OK, maybe you made the changes one at a time then, but some of the links really were still broken. But such a large scale change, away from the names most usually used in the English speaking world (this is the English language Misplaced Pages, after all), would need a discussion and consensus on the Talk page first. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:36, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Dear Boing!, Very well, this is an English language Misplaced Pages, but "Maryam" is a personal Noun(which don't affected by language, name is after all a name) used by Millions of readers who also read English language Misplaced Pages and you can't neglect them in their specific article if you talk of international Misplaced Pages. Just think over again!--Md iet (talk) 12:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I'm just saying that you would need to discuss it on the Talk page first and get a consensus. If you do that, and the community supports you, that will be fine -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding the point, first tell me do you convinced with my argument and what is your reaction as genuine reader?--Md iet (talk) 05:38, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Discussion points at Talk:Dawoodi Bohra

Greetings, I've posted a few discussion points at Talk:Dawoodi Bohra to help us figure out how to improve the article. I'd appreciate your dropping by to provide input on how to move forward. I've also finally added a few long-overdue footnotes to the article, and have noted that there are plenty of materials on GoogleBooks covering the DBs, so really no excuse not to footnote this article while we're improving it. Looking forward to hearing from you on the Talk page. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Your perspective would be valued

Hi there. I would appreciate it if you could visit Talk:Muhammad. The article, Muhammad, has changed in a significant way since it originally passed WP:GA several years ago. It now states in the opening paragraph that Mohammad is the Founder of Islam and has relegated to a note at the end of the article that Muslims, themselves don't believe this. I have started a discussion on the talk page concerning this and would value your input. Thanks so much. Veritycheck (talk) 21:46, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Muhammad

Do you realise you are ignoring a lengthy discussion on the article's talk page about this? The wording I put in was discussed at length and received the most support of any proposal. I suggest you self-revert and go to the talk page to discuss it. DeCausa (talk) 10:39, 5 July 2012 (UTC) I think there is no clear consensus reached on talk page for the matter you have added. We can't edit for the matter having different meaning then of cited reference please.--Md iet (talk) 12:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

First of all this is the version that has most support in the talk discussion. You have put in edits that either have NO support (your last two edits) ot has LESS support (your first edit). Secondly, if you had read the talk page carefully, you would have seen the difference between "Non-Muslims" and "generally" was discussed. "Generally" is an accurate summary of the source because it is counterbalanced by the statement that muslims don't accept it. You did not participate in the talk page discussion. The correct way for you to proceed is to open up a new thread and to put forward your proposal. If you continue to put in edits which have not been first discussed on the talk page that will be disruptive and edit-warring. DeCausa (talk) 05:46, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Reply on Your comment for RMs.

Hi, Md iet i have seen you agreement on RMs. I would be glad if you ask more and more peoples to participate in it that have Knowledge of Islam. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 08:36, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Moving disambiguation pages

I have re-created the page Nuh (name), and made a split between it and Nuh the disambiguation page, according to the guidance at MOS:DABNAME.

Please would you stop doing what you have recently done to Nuh, Maryam and Ishak? These were longstanding disambiguation pages, i.e. giving the alternative meanings that might have been intended by a link to them. Sometimes editors agreed that there is a primary topic, see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, in which case the simple page name can be redirected to the article on that topic, and the disambiguation index can be moved to a name like Abraham (disambiguation).

Unfortunately you have made changes that were wrong in a few ways: (i) you decided that there was a primary topic, without discussion. (ii) You copied and pasted the content of pages to new or different pages. If a move had been agreed, the page should have been moved in order to keep the previous versions in the page history. See WP:MOVE. (iii) You have created pages with (name) in the title, but mixed up entries that are not about human names; see MOS:DABNAME.

I hope this is helpful. Let me know if it is confusing. – Fayenatic London 10:07, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

OK, Agreed, Thanks, You are very much right. We are proposing request move at various Islamic prophet pages where there is obvious justification of having primary topic on their Islamic name. Only thing is we have to formerly agree and decide action as you have cited for Abraham (disambiguation). Hope everybody will think rational and make Wiki really a better platform of information for all.--Md iet (talk) 04:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Mass moves

You seem not to understand why people objected to mass moves at Talk:Abraham in Islam#Requested move, Talk:Abraham in Islam##Requested Redirects, related to above, and Talk:Ibrahim (disambiguation)#Requested move.

People may support some of what you want to achieve, but still object to how you try to make it happen.

The point is simple. The case should be made individually for articles.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, i have just made a template Template:'Isa and had placed it at Jesus in Islam but was reverted can you look into the template and restore the template on the article. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 12:04, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I guess i was a bit late to show up as the talk at Nuh has been closed but you can ask for me in any other discussion in the future. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 14:36, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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Move discussion

Hi, I'm responding to your message at Talk:Nuh.

To reiterate the maths: in the case of Ibrahim, total traffic to other meanings was less than half the traffic to the disambiguation page; therefore, a primary meaning was demonstrated for that one. In the case of Nuh, the total traffic to other meanings was large compared to the views of the disambiguation page, so the statistics did not demonstrate a primary meaning. None of your other arguments proved that there was a primary meaning either.

Please think about the points made on the page WP:FLOG, which is a reference to the expression "flogging a dead horse".

On your user page, you helpfully admit that you are not an expert in English. I sometimes have difficulty understanding your arguments, and suspect that other editors do too. Please understand that I do not mean any offence, but perhaps your contributions might be more useful on other Wikipedias in languages in which you are more fluent.

If you participate in any Muslim message boards, perhaps you could also help by encouraging some learned Muslims who are fluent in English to improve the articles in English Misplaced Pages about Islamic topics, using reliable sources. Kind regards – Fayenatic London 13:25, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind reply and advice,

I am participating in English Wiki not due to any language/religious criteria but my interest is that English Wiki being most popular having vast variety of topics and material in it, maximum people should benefit from it. In other languages number of topic are very limited and English is now becoming general language for network communication. Muslims have vast majority of population everywhere and they have started reading/understanding English. For their further upliftment and arousing interest Islam topics need proper identification so that they start taking interest in English wiki and know about world as general further.

I am sorry to all that you have problem in understanding me, but you all are here to help me make the further things to happen.

Regarding "Nuh" I understand that maths is not same as of "Ibrahim" else I could have put the same logic as I have given for "Ibrahim", but here the logic which you have narrated to make redirect of "Ibrahim" to "Abraham" rather than "Abraham in Islam' is important. There are many Christian also who know Prophet as 'Nuh' rather than 'Noah' and this makes total population who know that "Nuh" is prophet manifold than any other person by same name. This justifies ‘Nuh’ for prime topic rather than mathematical traffic figures. I am not flogging a dead horse but flogging a cause please.--Md iet (talk) 10:59, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Please can you advise

Is this person notable according to WP:BIO? – Fayenatic London 21:42, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be district level religious/political figure of Pakistan, having viewer traffic of about 300/month, may be counted as notable if this qualification fits Wiki standard.--Md iet (talk) 07:39, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

As he was a member of the Punjab Assembly he is notable. I have added information about him from a reliable source and deleted some of the uncited promotional stuff. The creator of the article appears to be a Misplaced Pages:Single-purpose account. Thanks for bringing this article to my attention. I have proposed the poster for deletion at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion/2013 March 21--Toddy1 (talk) 09:03, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Good work! I'm glad you noticed this. – Fayenatic London 14:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Ruqayya Mashhad and copyright

Thank you all for the work you put into this article, and for your very valuable photographs of this important religious site. I did however want to point out that when we use a reference source such as ArchNet.org, we have to be very careful. We must not copy the text and just change the wording a little bit here and there in each sentence. That is not enough change to make the wording acceptable for WIkipedia. Instead we need to read the source text several times until we completely understand it, or until we understand most of it, or at least some of it, and then we must put the source aside, and rewrite the information in our own words as best as we can. This is certainly not easy, but it is possible. As it stands the text in the article is not acceptable for Misplaced Pages. I may have to cut out a lot of the text, but I wanted to give you a chance to completely rewrite it before I do that. Of course the same thing applies to any article that uses text from ArchNet.org or any other similar site. Thank you. 21:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)Invertzoo (talk)

Your info and photos are now to be found at Mashhad of Sayyida Ruqayya. I tried to rewrite some of the info taken from ArchNet, but I was not able to understand all the architectural details. Invertzoo (talk) 21:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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Requested moves

Your requested moves are incorrectly formulated. Please use

==Requested move==

{{subst:RMtalk|destination of page you're proposing to move|reason for moving it}}

Because right now, your requests appear to want to move the disambiguation page on top of "X in Islam" to replace the article with a disambiguation page. You should be entering "X (disambiguation)" into the template as that's what your request rationale says.

-- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 01:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Husayn ibn Ali article

Dear editor, There is a discussion going on here. Given your past contribution in the article, it would be nice of you to attend.--Kazemita1 (talk) 14:16, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Stampede Comment

As i stated on the previous editors talk page, no that is not justification to delete the sentence from Mohammed Burhanuddin. I can understand if his followers find it embarrassing that people died as a result of a stampede at his funeral. However, it has every right to be included, as it was widely reported in the news.Fotoriety (talk) 04:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

You asked me to discuss before my edit. Well i tell you i don't need to discuss with you or anyone else to include a highly reported event that occurred at the funeral of Mr Burhanuddin. If my edit affects your sensitivities because you are a follower of this man then that is unfortunate, but doesn't warrant your removal of information. If you revert your edit then i will request that senior editors block you from committing your reversion.Fotoriety (talk) 08:57, 30 January 2014 (UTC) Please give your comments on Talk page of the concerned topic.--Md iet (talk) 09:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

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Mufaddal is still a claimant the video does not contain any audible utterance as he was suffering from stroke

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Dear Summichum, Thanks for your kind advice. Please don't try to become administrator and remain within your rights. It is on 12th Feb 2014 you joined and it seems you have joined Wiki to create misunderstanding, partisan and to propagate and support this special propaganda. You are such a well wisher of Wiki where were you till then.

Regarding POV on claimant, there can be discussion and we may try to reach consensus, but restrain from removing material which is true and well sourced. All the written above is applicable to you first.--Md iet (talk) 04:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Mufaddal Saifuddin Article

• Since You have created and edited many Article I Kindly request you to Clean and Regularize this Article to Misplaced Pages Standards.Your Expertise in this matter is mostly required. Mufaddalqn (talk) 10:10, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Per Mufaddalqn, you should stick to this article. It has become battlefield. Crisco 1492 retreated from this page, and so it got harder. OccultZone (Talk) 10:17, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I would try my best to uphold the neutrality of Misplaced Pages, I request all editor to restrain from doing unwanted revisions. Neutral point of view and factual well reported matter of both side to be presented in best encyclopedic manner.

Please don't add Syedna title to Muffadal or Qutbuddin and write such matter which implicate that Wiki has endorsed any one. We can write about the factual views quoting the sources and groups as being done. If we can discuss matter regarding any specific information on talk page and have consensus before making correction, it would be nothing like it.--Md iet (talk) 12:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• I have attempted to clear the article from citation overkill and other irregularities. I hope it is ok with you.if there is any thing I can do please let me know. further I think Mohammed Burhanuddin too should be reorganized.Mufaddalqn (talk) 07:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you for your support and guidance.Mufaddalqn (talk) 07:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

File:Appointed successor Dai syedi Muffadal BS saifuddin along side Dai Burhanuddin.pdf listed for deletion

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March 2014

Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Mufaddal Saifuddin, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. I would like you to provide reliable sources for the alleged 22 June 2011 nass, and to explain the provenance of the jpg you have uploaded. Do you understand my requests? Sam Sailor 04:47, 12 March 2014 (UTC) I would surely try to, I have removed the template with understanding that I have complied the requirement, let me again check please. Anyway Thanks for advice, I would be better more careful next time.--Md iet (talk) 05:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I was concentrating on London instance and forgot to countercheck Mumbai ceremony inclusion, anyway it is now corrected, may pl. check again.--Md iet (talk) 09:58, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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Amirul Hajj

I have created the page for Amirul Hajj which has been cited to speedy deletion. I would like to know your view on the subject.Mufaddalqn (talk) 06:59, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

This is a statutory post having religious importance, held by various country vide dignitaries, justified for inclusion pl.--Md iet (talk) 06:33, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Sincere request for Qutbi Bohra article.

Hello Md Iet,

We both know the artcile is a hoax based on false allegations with misleading references.

You have edited the artcile at the begining :

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Qutbi_Bohra&oldid=594319673

All the reference given are from discussion based on Progressive Bohra group. It is forcefully linked with new claimed Qutbi bohra , Please don’t include the matter without any specific proof

Can you please help me to act properly. I do not think this kind of fake article does any credit to a sincere Mufaddal Saifuddin's follower like you.

Best regards, Ftutocdg (talk) 19:59, 19 March 2014 (UTC) Thanks, for trusting on me. Let me clear, I am a Fatimid follower and I also do not think that new claimed Qutbi Bohra does any credit to anybody. On the basis of support of so called Qutbi Bohra, one party is claiming numbers on follower list, same time they don’t want to officially attach with Qutbi Bohra name to get advantage from Dawoodi Bohra, mainly control on properties. One can’t have ‘ laddus’ in both hands. Either they should be with Dawoodi Bohra+ follow legitimate Fatimid principles + have faith of mass Dawoodi Bohra+ get respect+ improve the system with due consensus OR be on your own+ call whatever you want with minor support+ get support of outsider like so called Qutbi Bohra (Progressive Bohra, who wants to take advantage, require leader for the name sake but no principals, rules of their own) and enjoy with property what you have. No body should tarnish the image of Fatimid culture. It is impossible to get the keys of properties of mass Dawoodi Bohra till you have their support. Sorry, I have given my personal POV, please don’t take it otherwise, truth will prevail.--Md iet (talk) 05:05, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

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Heads up!

Hello, I'm Anup. I noticed when you made a comment on Talk:Mufaddal Saifuddin, you intentionally or unintentionally edited another user's comment (diff.). I'd like to let you know that, it is against talk page guideline. You're requested to not alter others' comments, including signatures. However, there are few exceptions can be found, here. Thank you! Anupmehra -Let's talk! 03:51, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Dear, I already noticed it and given my comment on the page. --Md iet (talk) 03:58, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Misplaced Pages, as you did at Mufaddal Saifuddin, you may be blocked from editing. Summichum (talk) 17:30, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Dear Sumchum, it will be better if you can mind your own business and don't try to fools others. I am putting my points on talk page for discussion of all. This is not a disruptive editing but a fare discussion to have consensus.--Md iet (talk) 03:14, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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Sorry, Dear, but I hate lie and it may be little bit a high dose. Don't take personal, as you pretend to be not related with community, just pretend that it is not meant for you, some another Sumchum(not spelled same) , if it is not true for you.

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Thanks for advice, it would be better if you also follow some Wiki guideline to avoid frequent blocking.--Md iet (talk) 03:14, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Add if you have some details.

I have created a new page ,Saifee Mahal. Please add some details/infobox/references there if you have any. The page has been nominated for deletion under wikipedia policy , and I don't want that page to be deleted. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markdrows (talk • contribs) 03:47, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Some falafel for you!

For interesting photos of important places of Israeli prophets. Summichum (talk) 10:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)