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| A few ] ]s tell about kings that ruled in ]. | A few ] ]s tell about kings that ruled in ] ] | ||
| ==Icelandic sagas== | ==Icelandic sagas== | ||
| Despite the fact that the legendary title "King of Kvenland" appears widely used in various contexts, it is mentioned only once in that particular form/spelling in sagas: | Despite the fact that the legendary title "King of Kvenland" appears widely used in various contexts, it is mentioned only once in that particular form/spelling in sagas: | ||
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In ]<ref></ref> ] is directly said to be the "King of Kvenland". He also appears to have been a ] himself. | ||
| Two other sagas that mention Kvenland, '']''<ref></ref> and '']'',<ref> (broken link)</ref> do not use that specific title. | |||
| In ''Orkneyinga saga'', ] is said to be "a king". It is stated that he "reigned over Gotland, which we now know as Finland and Kvenland". The specific term "King of Kvenland" is not used. Unlike ''Egils saga'', ''Orkneyinga saga'' does not provide clues about the ethnicity of Fornjót or any of his descendants. | |||
| Two other sagas mention ], ]<ref></ref> and ],<ref></ref><ref>http://oaks.nvg.org/an6ra16.html</ref>. The latter begins with a mention of a king named ], "who ruled over those lands which are called Finland and Kvenland". Unlike ], ''Orkneyinga'' does not provide additional clues about the ethnicity of Fornjót or his descendants. The content however reveals he was neither Danish (Dane), nor Swedish (Svea). | |||
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| ⚫ | ] has a similar usage for the title. This time, ]'s (who is said to be "a man") great-grandson ] and his son ] are told to be kings. ] now appears in relation to ] of whom it is said that ''"he ruled over Gothland, ] (Kænlandi), and Finland".'' Fornjót's great-grandson ] is also mentioned in ], in relation to Finland.<ref></ref> | ||
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| ⚫ | Interpretations of their ethnicity have been made based on other information provided. For instance, according to ] the ] made sacrifices to ]. This, along with similar pieces of information from other sources, has led many experts to believe that Thorri, who ruled over Kvenland, was himself of ] origin as well. | ||
| In addition to ''Orkneyinga Saga'' (c. 1230), ''Hversu Noregr byggðist'' (c. 1387), and its appended '']'' (1387), medieval accounts that discuss the lineages sprung from Fornjót and his descendants - mainly ] and ] - leading to the later rulers of ] and other countries, include: '']'' (8th-10th century), '']'' (8th-10th century), <!--Commenting this out because Hyndluljóð is a poem in the Poetic Edda: '']'' (c. 800-1000), --> '']'' (late 9th century), '']'' (late 12th century), '']'' (c. 1220), ] (13th century), '']'' (started c. 1185, finished c. 1216), '']'' (c. 1225), . However, whether or not Fornjót and his immediate descendants were actual historical people has been debated. Kyösti Julku notes that no geographical errors have been found in the descriptions of the ''Orkneyinga saga''. He asks why therefore the people described in the account should be considered not to have existed.<ref name="Kyösti Julku, 1986">Julku, Kyösti: ''Kvenland - Kainuunmaa''. With English summary: ''The Ancient territory of Kainuu''. Oulu, 1986.</ref> | |||
| Whether Fornjót and his closest followers, mentioned in other medieval accounts as well, were actual historical people has been debated. Kyösti Julku notes that no geographical errors have been found in the descriptions of the ]. He asks why therefore the people described in the account should be considered not to have existed.<ref name="Kyösti Julku, 1986">Julku, Kyösti: ''Kvenland - Kainuunmaa''. With English summary: ''The Ancient territory of Kainuu''. Oulu, 1986.</ref> | |||
| ==Charles IX of Sweden== | |||
| It is often stated that King ] would have called himself "King of the Kvens". The king expanded his already lengthy title in 1607 CE to be as follows: | |||
| :''Carl then nijonde, Sweriges, Göthes, Wendes, finnars, carelers, lappers i nordlanden, the caijaners och esters i Lifland, etc. Konung''<ref>Nils Chesnecopherus, ''Fulkommelige skäl och rättmätige orsaker, så och sanfärdige berättelser, hwarföre samptlige Sweriges rijkes ständer hafwe medh all fogh och rätt afsagdt Konung Sigismundum uthi Polen och storfurste i Littowen, etc. sampt alle hans efterkommande lijfs arfwingar ewärdeligen ifrå Sweriges rijkes crone och regemente, och all then hörsamheet och lydhno, som the honom efter arfföreeningen hafwe skyldige och plichtige warit, och uthi stadhen igen uthkorat, annammat och crönt then stormächtige, höghborne furste och herre, her Carl then nijonde, Sweriges, Göthes, Wendes, finnars, carelers, lappers i nordlanden, the caijaners och esters i Lifland, etc. Konung, sampt alle H. K. M.s efterkommande lijfs arfwingar, til theres och Sweriges rijkes rätte konung'', Stockholm: Gutterwitz, 1607 {{OCLC|247275406}}</ref><ref>1608 example: Konung Christoffers Landslag. Edictum Regis Caroli IX eius iussu edito textui praescriptum. (not in cited page)</ref> | |||
| ==Records on Fornjót's offspring== | |||
| That title does not use the term "Kvens" with that spelling, but instead the term "Caijaners", a Swedish name for the inhabitants of ]. However, several historians have seen an etymological link between ''Kven'' and the Finnic term ''kainulainen/kainuulainen''.<ref name="Kyösti Julku, 1986">Julku, Kyösti: ''Kvenland - Kainuunmaa''. With English summary: ''The Ancient territory of Kainuu''. Oulu, 1986.</ref><ref name="Olavi Korhonen">Korhonen, Olavi: ''"Håp - vad är det för en båt? Lingvistiska synpunkter. Bottnisk kontakt I. Föredrag vid maritimhistorisk konferens i Örnsköldsvik 12-14 februari 1982. Örnsköldsvik 1982."''</ref> | |||
| According to the account of ], ]'s great-grandson ] and his son ] were also ''kings''. ] is also mentioned in ], in relation to Finland. According to ], ] ''"ruled over Gothland, ] (Kænlandi), and Finland".'' According to the information given, the ] made sacrifices to ]. | |||
| The absence of the term Kven - with that or close to that spelling - from the above-mentioned ] title of the king is usually explained by the fact that the term was never used in old written Swedish accounts, for the following reason: | |||
| The medieval accounts which discuss the lineages sprung from ] and his descendants - mainly ] and ] -, leading to the later rulers of ] and other countries, include the following: | |||
| As a name for a country, ] seems to have gone out of ordinary usage around the end of the ], unrecognized by scholars by the 14th century. As the first ever account written in ], '']'', was published as late as the 14th century, no medieval references to "Kvenland" or the "Kvens" are available from Swedish literature. | |||
| The ] (8th-10th century), ] (8th-10th century), ] (c. 800-1000), the ] (late 9th century), ] (late 12th century), ] (c. 1220), ] (13th century), ] (started c. 1185, finished c. 1216), ] (c. 1225), ] (c. 1230), ] (c. 1387), ] (1387). | |||
| Charles IX's son dropped the term "Lappers j Nordlanden, the Caijaners" from the title in 1611 CE, when he succeeded his father as king, and it was not readded. Charles IX's use of it is seen as related to the construction of the ] in 1604 close to ]'s border with ]. | |||
| ==See also== | ==See also== | ||
| * ] | |||
| * ] | * ] | ||
| * ] | * ] | ||
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A few Icelandic sagas tell about kings that ruled in Kvenland
Icelandic sagas
Despite the fact that the legendary title "King of Kvenland" appears widely used in various contexts, it is mentioned only once in that particular form/spelling in sagas:
In Egil's saga Faravid is directly said to be the "King of Kvenland". He also appears to have been a Kven himself.
Two other sagas mention Kvenland, Hversu Noregr byggdist and Orkneyinga saga,. The latter begins with a mention of a king named Fornjót, "who ruled over those lands which are called Finland and Kvenland". Unlike Egil's saga, Orkneyinga does not provide additional clues about the ethnicity of Fornjót or his descendants. The content however reveals he was neither Danish (Dane), nor Swedish (Svea).
Hversu Noregr byggdist has a similar usage for the title. This time, Fornjót's (who is said to be "a man") great-grandson Old Snow and his son Thorri are told to be kings. Kvenland now appears in relation to Thorri of whom it is said that "he ruled over Gothland, Kvenland (Kænlandi), and Finland". Fornjót's great-grandson Old Snow is also mentioned in Ynglingasaga, in relation to Finland.
Interpretations of their ethnicity have been made based on other information provided. For instance, according to Hversu Noregr byggdist the Kvens made sacrifices to Thorri. This, along with similar pieces of information from other sources, has led many experts to believe that Thorri, who ruled over Kvenland, was himself of Kven origin as well.
Whether Fornjót and his closest followers, mentioned in other medieval accounts as well, were actual historical people has been debated. Kyösti Julku notes that no geographical errors have been found in the descriptions of the Orkneyinga saga. He asks why therefore the people described in the account should be considered not to have existed.
Records on Fornjót's offspring
According to the account of Hversu Noregr byggðist, Fornjót's great-grandson Old Snow and his son Thorri were also kings. Old Snow is also mentioned in Ynglingasaga, in relation to Finland. According to Hversu Noregr byggdist, Thorri "ruled over Gothland, Kvenland (Kænlandi), and Finland". According to the information given, the Kvens made sacrifices to Thorri.
The medieval accounts which discuss the lineages sprung from Fornjót and his descendants - mainly Nór and Gór -, leading to the later rulers of Sweden and other countries, include the following:
The Beowulf (8th-10th century), Íslendingabók (8th-10th century), Poetic Edda (c. 800-1000), the Ynglingatal (late 9th century), Historia Norvegiæ (late 12th century), Skáldskaparmál (c. 1220), Hyndluljóð (13th century), Gesta Danorum (started c. 1185, finished c. 1216), Ynglinga saga (c. 1225), Orkneyinga Saga (c. 1230), Hversu Noregr byggðist (c. 1387), Ættartolur (1387).
See also
References
- Egil's Saga, Chapter XIV
- Hversu Noregr byggdist
- Orkneyinga saga
- http://oaks.nvg.org/an6ra16.html
- Ynglingasaga
- Julku, Kyösti: Kvenland - Kainuunmaa. With English summary: The Ancient territory of Kainuu. Oulu, 1986.