Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 22:49, 25 April 2014

User:Russavia/Top

Archives

Index 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30

This page has archives. Sections older than 7 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III.

Unblock preparatory information

Unblock text in progress

Photographs/media work

I have always been a prolific uploader of media to our projects, and have been also been pro-active and prolific in obtaining media under relicencing and the like from a multitude of photographers, organisations and governments. As I go through my uploads, I make it a point to get relevant media into relevant articles at that time. An example of this is File:Ralph Gonsalves (cropped).jpg which is in use across multiple projects on a multitude of articles -- this photo is not in use at all on English Misplaced Pages, which instead still uses this poorer quality image. Due to the sheer amount of image work I do, I get images into use where relevant as I finish working on them, as can be seen by my contributions on, for example, Polish Misplaced Pages, and then I move onto the next image. Below are examples of such media.

Article work

Articles which I will be working on include:

• Drukair - bringing it up to FA (already GA)
• Vance Joy - expand it greatly
• Riptide (Vance Joy song) - this needs to be greatly expanded
• Aeroflot - bringing it up to GA, then FA (I have already done a lot of work on this, will look at having topic ban removed)
• Sukhoi Superjet 100 - bring it up to GA, then FA

Articles which I intend on creating, mainly by way of media I've uploaded include:

• Stage Door Johnnies (male burlesque)
• Jett Adore
• Jordan and Zac Stenmark
• Jordan and Zac Stenmark
• Jordan and Zac Stenmark
• Desert Commuter Airlines
• New Gen Airways
• Munsu Water Park
• Masikryong Ski Resort (87 photos available in Commons:Category:Masikryong Ski Resort)

Other articles I was looking at creating:

• Ski Jumping Pairs -- inspiration from this
• Ilham Anas - id:Ilham Anas - previously deleted on this project but obviously passes WP:GNG

Dealing with copyright and image issues

• Victor_Chang#Death - remove statements: "Chang was chosen, at random, from a magazine photo featuring notable Asians who had "made it good" in Australia; and, Chang knew that this extortion attempt was no accident when the assailants spoke to him by name in Mandarin." -- sourced to unreliable source, and is also a copyright violation of that unreliable source.
• Remove File:Victor Chang.jpg from Chinese Australians, it doesn't comply with NFCC.
• Delete File:Frank Lorenzo, TXI, 1977.jpg, it doesn't comply with NFCC, subject is still living
• Nominate File:Moomba parade.jpg - no evidence this is a govt image and is after the 1 January 1955 cut-off date
• Nominate File:Fly Jamaica Airways Boeing 757-200.jpg - low resolution, no EXIF, 2013 photo, usually indicates copyvio
• Delete File:George Tupou V Coronation.jpg, it no longer complies with the NFCC
• Delete File:Mark Donaldson VC 19-01-2009 fair use claimed.jpg, it no longer complies with the NFCC
• Delete File:Trooper Donaldson being awarded VC fair use claimed.jpg, it doesn't comply with the NFCC
• Files uploaded by User:Andreas11213 are not compliant with licencing conditions, and hence are copyright violations as they stand now. File:Sen Hon Brett Mason.jpg is an example of this (refer to File:Brett Mason.jpg to see how it should be!)
• Special:ListFiles/Biicl are likely copyvios. They are a range of resolutions from large to thumbnail, some with EXIF, some with EXIF but varying cameras.
• Nominate File:Ralph O'Neal appointed first premier.jpg, there's no EXIF data, and possibly not own work.
• Nominate File:Lancaster House Conference for Kenya's Independance.jpg, File:Kenyan Leaders.jpg and File:Evelyn Baring with Zafrud Deen.jpg - they are unlikely work of the uploader

Moves

• Essair Airways --> Pioneer Air Lines

WikiProject work

• With the kind help of User:Hym411, who translated Commons:User:Russavia/Flickr-letter into Korean for me, I managed to have the Korean Culture and Information Service relicence their Flickr stream to CC-BY-SA (Commons:Template:Korea.net). Hym411 has advised ko.wp of the existence of the photos, which can be found at Commons:Category:Files from Korea.net Flickr stream, and it would be beneficial to this project if I was able to advise Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Korea of the existence of these photos so that these extremely highly valuable photos can be put into relevant articles. In 24 hours, ko.wp has begun to put these images into use as seen here
• To engage with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Aviation to try and get help from project editors in compiling lists of official Flickr/social media photostreams of airports/airlines/manufacturers/etc to get media relicenced so they can be uploaded to Commons.
• The same thing but with other WikiProjects for individual countries to get help to compiles lists of governments/major corporations, etc.
• With the kind help of User:Zhuyifei1999, approximately 3,500 photos from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office which I had made available under the OGL have now been uploaded to Commons at Commons:Category:Files from Foreign and Commonwealth Office Flickr stream (to check). It would be beneficial to this project if I was able to advise Misplaced Pages:WikiProject International relations and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject United Kingdom of their existence.

Air Caribbean (Puerto Rico)

Dear Russavia: Thanks for creating Air Caribbean (Puerto Rico)! For a guy from Perth, you sure know a LOT about Puerto Rican aviation history! (I sure wish I on the other hand, knew as much about Australian Aviation history, but I can only go as far as Qantas and Ansett Airlines, lol!)

God bless!

Antonio weirdo kangaroo Martin aqui 23:26, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

Unusual edit -- did the New York Times change a story without a note?

I came across an edit on English Misplaced Pages article for Berkut which was done by Jimbo Wales (talk · contribs). The article is basically just a quote from the New York Times, but when checking the referenced article, I can't find the quote, nor even reference to what is asserted in the article. The linked article was snapshotted 3 times on 28 January 2014 by the Wayback Machine, but again the quote is not contained in any of these snapshotted articles. The Kyiv Post does have a reference to the article, but when one clicks on their link it goes to the article which doesn't contain the quote. I can also find no reference on the NY Times website to this article using varying quotes.

Whilst the case of Mykhailo Gavrylyuk, the Euromaidan protester who was made to stand outside naked, is true, the case of Yury Verbytsky is less clear; there being no clear firm evidence that Berkut was involved in his kidnapping, torture and death.

One could assume that the NYT pulled their article, for whatever reason. It is in instances such as this that webcitation.org can come in handy, but even then if an organisation pulls an article one can assume that there were factual errors that made the article untenable to keep in print, and our projects should follow the lead and pull information from our articles. But in this instance, the information is still sitting in the article at the time I write this. I did raise this on IRC in #wikipedia-en but nothing was done with it.

Major international events such as the protests in Ukraine and the resultant coup/revolution and accession/annexation of Crimea to/into Russia often see English Misplaced Pages articles reflecting what is in English-language media at the time, and as one can see from Jimmy's edit this can turn editors into unwitting quasi-propagandists. One really should be careful in using media sources on such issues, because the information is due to change at the drop of a hat, and sometimes people will not see these changes but the information is left in our articles.

But what makes this situation odd is that the NYT will usually notate corrections in articles, but in this case they haven't. In fact, it looks like the entire article has changed, yet whilst keeping a URL indicating another article. This is odd. Could someone please ask Jimmy if he may have used webcitation.org or still has a copy of the article available on his local machine. Or the information should be removed at this stage from the article for failing verification. Russavia (talk) 12:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

"As negotiations went on between opposition leaders and the president of Ukraine, a video surfaced of Berkut riot police officers stripping a protester naked." is found in with a meta-tag. (Use "view source" to defeat the paywall) Collect (talk) 12:40, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

There is also this entry at newsdiffs.org. Tarc (talk) 12:43, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

No, that's not it. You will notice that Jimmy's edit is a direct quote. I have no doubt that Jimmy did see such an article, because the Kyiv Post linked to it. But this is odd indeed. Russavia (talk) 12:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Tarc, this gives some insight. But it would appear that an entire article has been removed from the NYT website without explanation. What would our projects do when information like this changes? Russavia (talk) 12:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

The other issue is the POV issue of what was inserted in the article by @Jimbo Wales: (but which could have been made by anyone). Using long quotes should be discouraged on this project, not least because of the possible copyright issue. In this instance, the quote presents a real POV issue, in that the death of Verbytsky is now linked to our article as being the responsibility of Berkut (which made me look this up to begin with). The NYT times itself does not make this connection. It basically states that Berkut did this thing to Person A, and that this thing happened to Person B without saying who did so. The Person B information in the article presents a POV issue in that our article is stating that Berkut is responsible for Verbytsky's death.

It is likely, given the short timeframe that the information was available on the NYT website, that Jimmy saw the article on the NYT website, copypasted it into the article without really doing any further research on the issue at it relates to what was being inserted into the article. Whilst there is ultimately nothing wrong with this, apart from possible copyright issues, and is done on a widespread basis across this project, editors should stay mindful of what I presented above by hot topics in the media. Russavia (talk) 15:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

There are no copyright issues with a two sentence quote from a source. I invite you to point me to any real legal authority of any kind which would suggest otherwise. The correct diff to look at to understand my edit is this one. Per BLP I removed an unsourced negative claim and then found a proper source. That the New York Times later silently changed their story is problematic, of course.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jimbo Wales: I honestly can't immediately point you to any real legal authority which would suggest a copyright violation, and to be honest it's because I haven't actually looked, but it's best to err on the side of caution. I said "possible copyright issues" for this exact reason that you pointed out, except I wonder if WP makes excessive use of copyrighted materials as "fair use" from a single source across the project, whether a publisher might have a case against Misplaced Pages. But regardless....

All I can do, is point to Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines.

Misplaced Pages:Copyright violations states: "However, copying material without the permission of the copyright holder from sources that are not public domain or compatibly licensed (unless it's a brief quotation used in accordance with Misplaced Pages's non-free content policy and guideline) is likely to be a copyright violation."

Misplaced Pages:NFC#Text states: "Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea."

Your edit to the Berkut article neither illustrated a point, established context or attributed any point of view or idea, in either the letter or spirit of the NFC. What you inserted really should have been written without the need for a direct quote from the source. Whilst I didn't see the BLP issue that brought you to the article, and whilst removing BLP violations from our project is the right thing to do, I hope you can understand what I wrote above about becoming an unwitting quasi-propagandist in the process. If not, the quote from the New York Times is at Berkut_(special_police_force)#Specific_incidents which starts "Writing in Business Insider in February 2014, Harrison Jacobs noted: "The Berkut ... has had a long history of brutality, abuse, torture, and other measures in service of whatever political regime is in control of Ukraine." and which by inclusion in the quote directly links Berkut to the death of Verbytsky and is written as a matter of fact in this sense. (hence the POV issue).

A two sentence direct quote from the NYT whilst on the surface may not look like much, as you can see it presents other issues. I think you can now probably understand why using quotes should be used absolutely sparingly as part of regular prose in article, and only rely on non-free content as an absolute last-resort.

@Jimbo Wales:, but I seriously do thank you for putting the information in the article on Gavrylyuk, because it was an important moment in Euromaidan. Jimmy, I see the information is still in the article as inserted by yourself, so I have taken the liberty of collating some information on the Gavrylyuk incident and I make a suggestion to you to remove the New York Times quote in its entirety (the 27 Jan date is also wrong), and perhaps consider replacing it with this text (which I declare I have released into the public domain for reasons of copyright):

On 23 January 2014, protester and Zaporozhian Cossack, Mykhailo Gavrylyuk was arrested by Berkut officers. In temperatures approaching -15°C, Gavrylyuk was beaten with blows to his head and torso, after which he was stripped naked and forced to the ground. Whilst on the ground, Berkut officers put their feet on Gavrylyuk's head like an association football player would place their feet on a ball, and photographed themselves. A video was later uploaded to Youtube, and in scenes reminiscent of the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal Berkut officers were shown to be posing for photographs with the naked Gavrylyuk. In a further attempt to humiliate him, the Berkut offices forced Gavrylyuk to hold an ice-axe and attempted to make him proclaim "I love Berkut". The video went viral and apart from making Gavrylyuk a symbol of Euromaidan, it also drew an apology from Interior Minister Vitaliy Zakharchenko. Gavrylyuk revealed at a press conference after the incident that the Berkut officers also cut a couple of strands of the traditional Cossack forelocks (oseledets) from his head.

You will also notice that I have used webcitation.org to snapshot the source, so that if the source material ever disappears it will still be available for easy verification by our readers. It adds a little extra time to editing, but it is well worth the effort as you can see.

Thanks for your reply here Jimmy, I appreciate it, and if you have any questions on the prose I've presented to you for insertion into the article, I'm happy to answer them for you. Russavia (talk) 20:06, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

If you'd like to see the article changed, you should change it yourself.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you look before you leap with a comment like that - most people on this page understand what "BLOCKED" means. Cheers. Collect (talk) 20:59, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Jmoralesjr9/Archive

@Tiptoety: and @Atama: you might be interested on some information on Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Jmoralesjr9/Archive.

• Jjensenmike -- this is http://neworganizing.com/profile/Mike-Jensen
• Jmoralesjr9 -- this is http://neworganizing.com/profile/Jose-Morales
• Carteroni -- this is Allie Carter (http://neworganizing.com/content/blog/victory-for-the-freejudith-campaign-the-twitter-petition-that-could)
• Ninasin -- this is http://neworganizing.com/profile/Cristina-Sinclaire

You both might want to go back and relook at this case. And perhaps pass it up the chain to Legal.

This was covered in part by @Peteforsyth: on his blog here Russavia (talk) 13:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Message for User:Philg88 -- Masikryong Ski Resort

@Philg88:, thanks for writing the above article, as you can see I had it at User_talk:Russavia#Article_work to create.

I see, however, that the article only uses one image. The photos in Commons:Category:Masikryong Ski Resort were kindly released under a CC licence by Uri Tours after a request by myself. I made mention of the Masikryong Ski Resort article as one possible use for their photos (i.e. encouraging article development). I am going to make contact with the, and show them this article, but I was hoping you might take on board some suggestions in relation to images in the article.

• File:Masik Pass Ski Resort in North Korea (11945092343).jpg could perhaps be used at Masikryong_Ski_Resort#Local_environment
• File:Masikryong North Korea Ski Resort (12299641645).jpg could perhaps be used at Masikryong_Ski_Resort#Facilities
• As we can see from the category on Commons, the ski resort has ski-lifts but Masikryong_Ski_Resort#Controversy doesn't mention who did make the ski-lifts, such as File:Masikryong North Korea Ski Resort (12299601295).jpg. It might be beneficial to do a little research on this and add an appropriately captioned photo to that section.

When I discussed the relicencing with Uri Tours in a series of back-and-forth emails, I did mention to them that their images would be especially useful for North Korean articles, and I also asked them to keep me informed on hits to Flickr and whether they see any noticeable increase from their images being on Commons -- an aviation photographer who relicenced after my request noted a massive surge in traffic to his Flickr stream. I want to use Uri Tours a one part in a multi-faceted case study on why companies should make their images available under a CC-BY or CC-BY-SA licence.

But at the end of the day, it is editorial discretion on whether to include images or not, and with such a wide range of images available, and relevant to direct article content, we could probably be more liberal in our use of images on articles. Thoughts welcome. Russavia (talk) 21:16, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Russavia, and thanks for the ping. First of all, I didn't realise that you had plans to create the Masikryong article - I only search the main space when creating articles so my apologies if you had put any work into this.

On the specific points that you mention:

• I found the photos on Flickr before I found them on Commons (what a wonderful surprise to discover that they were CC-BYSA!) and picked the one that featured snow, a skilift and mountains as I thought that would be the most representative/appropriate. I'm no fan of flooding short paragraph articles like this one with pictures as it creates a lot of whitespace, but I don't see why there couldn't be a gallery of three or four images across the bottom rather than breaking up the text. Feel free to go ahead and add it as you see fit - I now see that your are blocked so I can do it.

• While the original draft of the article included the name of the company that the Swiss government proscribed from selling ski lifts to the resort, I took it out because I considered a mention would be non-neutral –the deal was cancelled after all. From what I can see and based on my own experience of the sport, the lifts in use are way behind current state of the market technology — I also read a comment in a blog somewhere that they were made by a Chinese rather than a western company. As for other equipment, this snow groomer is made by an Italian company but (perhaps understandably given the sanctions) I cannot find a reference to back that up. However including the photo with a caption mentioning the groomer's origin would not breach any Misplaced Pages guidelines as far as I can see.

• I'm all for encouraging everyone in the world to release their copyrights under CC-BYSA and for Misplaced Pages to improve its coverage of North Korean topics. I plan to translate the Masikryong article into Chinese (as they are likely to be the largest slice of foreign visitors), which would no doubt please Uri Tours and by extension fire their enthusiasm for engaging with Misplaced Pages.

 Philg88  05:58, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Copyright violations from Encyclopædia Britannica

1. ^ Ouimet, Michèle (25 February 2014). "Le courage d'un homme". La Presse. Archived from the original on 25 April 2014. Retrieved 25 April 2014.
2. ^ "Ukraine unrest: Kiev protests continue despite concessions from president Viktor Yanukovych". Australian Broadcasting Corporation. 25 January 2014. Archived from the original on 25 April 2014. Retrieved 25 April 2014.
3. "Ukraine protester vows to fight on after police humiliation". Global Post. Agence France-Presse. 25 January 2014. Archived from the original on 25 April 2014. Retrieved 25 April 2014.
4. Ahad, Fari (23 January 2014). "berkut, polonenuy".
5. ^ Kozlowska, Hanna (27 January 2014). "'Cossack' at the Heart of Kiev Protests Refuses to Give In". Foreign Policy. Archived from the original on 25 April 2014. Retrieved 25 April 2014.