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This article was nominated for deletion. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination: Keep, 31 March 2014, see discussion. Procedural Close, 31 March 2014, see discussion. Keep, 22 November 2005, see discussion.

Articles for Deletion debate

This article survived an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. Owen× ☎ 23:53, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Is it just me...?

I, for one, find the entire concept of such a website to be incredibly offensive. Anyone else agree?

Believe it or not, excluding people can be useful sometimes; on LiveJournal, for example, it gives you a lot of control over privacy which makes writing a blog much more enjoyable. But in this case, I have to agree that this network is more snobbish than it is useful. From the Gawker articles, I gather that it's mainly used for talking about uber-exclusive locations that the members don't want "lay people" to know about. Its members aren't so much celebrities who value their privacy, as much as no-name upper crust characters who have inherited a lot of money and want to feel like they're part of the in-crowd (half of the members cited in news reports didn't have Misplaced Pages articles). Ashibaka tock 03:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Ahh... validation of my opinion. Thanks. NorphTehDwarf 05:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, pretty much spot on - I was a member, and decided that it was a load of crap - mostly nouveau or inheritance-kiddies. It used to be a very useful resource, but it's now a bloated mass of creme (or scum - both float on top of liquids). --MAdaXe 14:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Neat, could you give us a better screenshot? Ashibaka tock 02:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

That probably violates some bit of legalism or something. I wonder if SA might end up putting some of this on the Weekend Web. That'd truly be magnificent. NorphTehDwarf 05:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

We have a special tag for it, {{web-screenshot}}. Ashibaka tock 19:19, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, excluding people can be useful. However, this entry is an obvious case of shameless self promotion. People arguing about the concept is probably just what was intended.

(1) Invite some celebrities. (2) Start a controversy to increase awareness.

Ads should be deleted.

This is more than an ad, it has 100,000 members or so. Ashibaka tock 22:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

• i hope this site gets hack to bits someday. Owwmykneecap 04:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

It has been said that one of the main reason for the creation of aSmallWorld is to provided it's 50 year old owner Erik Wachmeister and his close associates access to young women and to celebrities parties.

Why would you want to converse with such snobs anyway? XdiabolicalX 12:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It's useful. You can actually safely meet with the people on it (would you invite a myspace stranger out to dinner?). In addition, because members share certain taste, their recommendations are more relevant to you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.132.242.1 (talk) 11:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Erik Wachtmeister's father

Who is he?--MoMo the Pirate 19:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Problem reference

This reference is not valid from its appearance. It appears to be a wiki that anyone can create an account login, and edit. Other wikis cannot be used as references here on wikipedia. They are unreliable sources, see WP:V and WP:RS. Does this website operate different than it appears?--Crossmr 23:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It seems like it is not an open wiki; it is restricted to owners of a certain book about SNSes. Also, it was last updated in July 2005, which is when the author of the site, David Teten, received the information about aSmallWorld from its owner. So, I believe we can attribute this information directly to him rather than the wiki. Ashibaka tock 21:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Update: I downloaded the book and signed up, and I discovered that the following message is at the bottom of the wiki page when you login:

"Locked Page | Help | Home | Recent Changes"

So, this isn't a wiki after all, it was written by David Teten. Ashibaka tock 21:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

There are two different logins there. A corporate profile wiki, and a readers login. I wonder if its editable if you have a corporate profile account.--Crossmr 22:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

List of social networking websites on AfD

List of social networking websites is currently a candidate for deletion. You are invited to partake in the discussion.--Crossmr 14:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Not notable

Can someone please explain how a site ranked 900,000+ in Alexa and with only 2 sources is on wikipedia? This article: http://en.wikipedia.org/Yuniti , draft: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Marquinho/Yuniti_(draft)

Was deleted despite being in the top 200,000 site in Alexa and having 5+ sources Marquinho Marquinho (talk) 13:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

You seem to be citing press releases and web industry blogs, rather than news media and society blogs. Shii (tock) 17:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

A Big World

I don't understand "A Big World". Is it a limited version of ASmallWord? Is it just a void space? Can exiles be readmitted? --Error (talk) 22:20, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Alexa rank

I have updated, i.e. corrected the alexa rank: ca 620,000 ranks up: from 658,892 → 38,861.

Please note that the previous version provided a link to the "asmallworld.net", the website before its mid-2013 relaunch as "asmallworld.com". That's the reason why the ranking dropped from below 10,000 (in August 2012) to above 550,000 (in August 2013).

Currently, "asmallworld.com" is ranked 38,861 --IIIraute (talk) 23:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring, sockpuppets, WP:OR & WP:SYNTH, proposed deletion of article

The WP:SYNTH and WP:OR content that was recently added by 67.80.233.89, e.g. here and here - and reverted by User:Coasterlover1994 here, was restored again through consistent edit warring by User:Faceplant2020 and User:Mostlyoksorta.

Later on the IP returned with the proposal to delete the article - this proposal was reinforced by User:Mostlyoksorta.

The article is now nominated for deletion; see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/ASmallWorld. --IIIraute (talk) 00:31, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Response to Edit Warring, etc. Claims

I have put the page up for deletion. No other people, no sockpuppets or whatever have commented or voted on the deletion as far as I can see. The page is ranked lowly on Alexa, only has citations to the CEO advertising the company, has been on an advertising warning for years, and has also been thought relevant for deletion/G11 for years. I am not waring, I do not understand why edits are getting deleted by IIIraute when they cite the same sources or more independent sources than those that IIIraute replaces them with? In fact, IIIraute, deleted one source in the 'Controvesy' section while leaving the SAME EXACT SOURCE to support advertising claims earlier in the page (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 00:55, 1 April 2014 (UTC))

Well, how come an IP is doing the edit warring now, obviously in order to fix the article in favor of asw management? --Tkvu (talk) 15:17, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Tkvu I have no idea how to stop them from doing that, but it is pretty obvious... (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 22:34, 23 April 2014 (UTC))

IIIraute do you have any ideas of how to controvert the warring of the IP address, you were pretty good at keeping me neutral ;) (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 22:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC))

Page protection --IIIraute (talk) 22:52, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

New Alexa Ratings

A bot has replaced the faulty Alexa rankings put up by IIIraute - the ranking again drops below 500,000. I am confused why IIIraute is making accusations when only editing in a non-neutral manner? Is IIIraute employed by asmallworld to monitor their page, a member of the site, what is the reason for the non-neutral (and apparently false in the case of Alexa) editing? (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 01:06, 1 April 2014 (UTC))

Get real. --IIIraute (talk) 01:27, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

IIIraute Listen I'm not a technology person, I can just read what the site says. I also didn't start yelling and screaming and making accusations about fellow editors. Why not just let the facts speak and avoid all the back and forth nonsense, whatever the ranking winds up being it is a) not a deciding factor for deletion under wikipedia rules and b) clearly not blowing the lid off anyone's idea of notability whether it is 500,000th or 38,000th. There is basically no citation on the entire page that isn't a quote of the CEO hyping her product within a month of it's relaunch. And almost all of the edits of the page were created by an IP address about a week before asmallworld's relaunch in 2013. It screams advertising and marketing. I don't understand what argument there is against that. Outside of accusations against editors what basis do you have for believing asmallworld is a)not advertising and b)of relevant notability? (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 01:37, 1 April 2014 (UTC))

I did offer you help to rewrite the article - instead, you did choose to continue your edit warring. Most of the content you have added is original research and synthesis. Please note the Misplaced Pages:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which means retaining the status before the bold edit was made and reverted; i.e. "leave the article in the condition it was in before the Bold edit was made" (often called the status quo ante).

I am asking you now, Mostlyoksorta: did you do any recent IP or the User:Faceplant2020 edits? It is not too difficult to find out - see: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations --IIIraute (talk) 02:00, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I am not the same person as Faceplant2020, though it is rather intimidating to me that you are barreling through my privacy, but I spoke to Faceplant2020 and will you let you know that I know that person. We did discuss edits together, which as far as I know is ok. Faceplant2020 will stay out the deletion debate if that makes you happy? As for any IP address, as you can tell we are both new to this so maybe someone forgot to log on, we're on public computers sometimes? Anyway, I hope that ends the belligerent Sherlock Holmes part of this discussion, and we can focus on whether or not the 500,000th/38,000th most important site on the internet, which is plagued with advertising material and non-neutral should stay on Misplaced Pages. It's pretty simple. Thanks (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 11:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)).

Oh yeah and since I got all honest at your request, do you IIIraute accept compensation in any manner from asmallworld? Or do I need to do some background check on that? It's really not nice to act that way. (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 11:05, 1 April 2014 (UTC))

The membership numbers cannot be accurate...

The article says membership is capped at 250,000, and the sidebar says that there are 250,000 members.

Well, I get regular spam-style "invitations" to "reactivate my membership." Since I'm hardly special (I can't have logged in more than 10 times before it became a pay site), I can only infer that they have far fewer than their 250,000 member cap.

I can't find any reliable information on how many actual members the site has. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djcheburashka (talk • contribs) 05:13, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

IIIraute I saw your edit, quick question - it clearly is unproven that they have delivered any car service to any one, but it is a fact that they have less than 250,000 members, for the reasons stated above. Why did you get rid of the 250,000 but not they several hundred delivered? Just curious (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 21:48, 24 April 2014 (UTC))

I don't even know where the "several hundred" number comes from - since it wasn't contested, I assumed that the number was correct. We do not know how many members ASW has - and we have no idea, how many of those members did apply for this car service - therefore it is more than speculative to imply that ASW deliverd several hundred rides to "less than 250.000 members". The whole sentence is unsourced and should be removed completely. --IIIraute (talk) 22:15, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Open to anyone who completed a membership application?

"As of October 2013, asmallworld became open to anyone who completed a membership application and paid the membership fee." That's not what the sources say - also, facebook isn't really one → ASW: Access to ASMALLWORLD is for members only. Please complete the form below to be considered for membership. We will be in touch if your application is accepted.

Facebook: Thank you all for your feedback about our decision to start accepting membership applications. One thing to keep in mind: a membership committee will carefully review all applications and vet potential members, giving us control over who joins our community – much like many private membership clubs. --IIIraute (talk) 23:09, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I will rephrase (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 23:47, 30 April 2014 (UTC))

Also, when you think something is slightly misworded it is probably better to change the wording then to delete the change. (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 23:51, 30 April 2014 (UTC))

asmallworld's own website takes applications, that is the relevant citation (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 01:01, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

https://www.asmallworld.com/apply as cited — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mostlyoksorta (talk • contribs) 01:06, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

"We are an international, invitation-only club" → www.asmallworld.com

Yes, you can apply - to be considered for invitation! Access to ASMALLWORLD is for members only. Please complete the form below to be considered for membership. We will be in touch if your application is accepted.

Business Insider: "ASmallWorld, the invite-only social network..."

New York Post: "...the invitation-only site A Small World..."--IIIraute (talk) 17:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

"Access to ASMALLWORLD is for members only. Please complete the form below to be considered for membership. We will be in touch if your application is accepted. Learn more about ASW membership and offerings here. We also occasionally send emails with editorial content, event invitations and special deals from our partners. Please indicate below if you’d like to be added to our mailing list." https://www.asmallworld.com/apply_for_membership - that is the page where you apply for membership, I am a member, I have no idea why you think I am lying about this, the posted it on their own facebook page which I cited before, and on the board that are open to members only :) (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 17:45, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

Gender Discrimination Law Suit

Hitherto, nothing more than an allegation: "Tonny Uy has filed a gender-discrimination lawsuit against his former empress ployer, A Small World, where he worked as an accountant. He claims he lost his job because he asked for the same amount of paid family leave given to female workers." & "A man says his Manhattan employer — an exclusive online social network for the rich — fired him because he asked for the same amount of paid family leave given to female workers." here

"Man sues employer for alleged firing over paternity leave" & "A gay man socked his snooty employer — a social-networking site that bills itself as a “myspace for millionaires” — with a lawsuit Wednesday alleging that he was wrongfully fired after seeking paternity leave when his daughter was born." here --IIIraute (talk) 23:24, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

It is only an allegation and it will be stated as such in the article, it was cited in two newspapers. An allegation of gender discrimination is clearly worthy of being noted. (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 23:47, 30 April 2014 (UTC))

Also please no section blanking, this story was covered in two of the biggest newspapers in New York City and is a Federal Civil Rights Case. (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 00:00, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

Also I don't understand what your citations above indicate? I have read the complaint in this matter and it is a Title VII Gender Discrimination suit under the Civil Rights Act. Are you somehow diminishing that? (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 00:06, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

It is only an allegation yet. Also please note → Misplaced Pages:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle --IIIraute (talk) 00:08, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

A lawsuit is not only an allegation it is a lawsuit, I never wrote anything that imputes the veracity of the allegations. (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 00:09, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

Also as far as I can see pending legal disputes are treated as valid topics on wikipedia (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 00:24, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

Quote (Mostlyoksorta), "I never wrote anything that imputes the veracity of the allegations.", unqote. --IIIraute (talk) 00:48, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Your point? Do I need to direct you to the hundreds if not thousands of wikipedia pages that mention pending lawsuits? (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 01:00, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

No reason to get uncivil: "Or to a dictionary for that matter?" --IIIraute (talk) 01:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

well i deleted it because i thought it was uncivil, but here is my whole uncivil rant for you if you want it : listen homie and by homie I mean IIIraute I'm not the one who blanks sections, deletes the most recent material, and I never said I have two accounts, I said I know another person I was working with. If you feel like spending your time propping up some semi-elitist internet scam, I sure hope your getting paid for it. I am glad you can also quote an elitist English order, congrats on your French. You are the best Sherlock Holmes on Misplaced Pages. So feel free to continue trying to delete a section on a Gender Discrimination case that is pending in a federal court. I am sure that helps you sleep at night. Just cause you are self proclaimed high wizard of wikipedia or whatever you think you are doesn't mean I haven't put up valid current sources of relevant material. So go back to playing with your magic want and quoting semi-extinct cults of England. (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 01:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mostlyoksorta (talk • contribs)

"I am not the same person as Faceplant2020, though it is rather intimidating to me that you are barreling through my privacy, but I spoke to Faceplant2020 and will you let you know that I know that person. We did discuss edits together, which as far as I know is ok. Faceplant2020 will stay out the deletion debate if that makes you happy? As for any IP address, as you can tell we are both new to this so maybe someone forgot to log on, we're on public computers sometimes? Anyway, I hope that ends the belligerent Sherlock Holmes part of this discussion, and we can focus on whether or not the 500,000th/38,000th most important site on the internet, which is plagued with advertising material and non-neutral should stay on Misplaced Pages. It's pretty simple. Thanks" here --IIIraute (talk) 01:53, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

um, what here? (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 01:56, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

and um also, what is your goal to fight me or put up the most relevant well supported material, because as far as I can see you are the only one who keeps pushing on a personal fight. I asked other editors for their opinions. When I proposed this page for deletion I notified almost everyone who voted - AND THEY ALL VOTED AGAINST DELETION - you see I am just learning at this, I ask other editors for help. I have even asked you for help. So seriously what is your deal? Why are you fighting against the just inclusion of a section citing 2 of the 3 biggest papers in New York? Why are you deleting my assertation (100% factual and NPOV - and TAKEN FROM ASW's own site) that they now accept membership applications? What is your beef? (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 02:01, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

I did not revert this content again, so I am not fighting anything - however, IMHO your contributions to this article are not NPOV, and look like some kind of revenge campaign - you have mentioned private e-mails you have exchanged with the company, and also this. Both, the RipoffReport Complaint Review, and your first edits on this article (together with User:Faceplant2020 and the IP), happen to share the same date: 28. March 2014. Please note that the IP also relocates to New York; i.e. the same location from the RipoffReport Complaint Review. In your comment above, you did write: "When I proposed this page for deletion..." - however, please be aware of the fact, that it was the IP that proposed the deletion of the article. --IIIraute (talk) 04:29, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

like i said at the time i am on a shared computer and have to login and off. when i proposed for deletion i forgot to login, but i quickly corrected myself in all further edits on this matter (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 10:32, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

also please stop revealing what you think to be personal information about me. It is threatening and I mentioned before and violates Misplaced Pages policy. New York is a big place with lots of people, so I'm not sure what your claim can be meant as other than a threat (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 11:46, 1 May 2014 (UTC))(Mostlyoksorta (talk) 11:47, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

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