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Invasion of Time edits

The link you asked for

Sorry I'm bad at using wikipedia and messed up adding the cite, I asked Northern the other day about Bolton's Platform 2 and they replied to me https://twitter.com/northernrailorg/status/291975325221535745?uid=17412258&iid=am-34365388813588638626255904&nid=56+427

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Claydon Suffolk

Hi Red I see you reverted my correction in the info box back to the Ipswich Bury and Norwich railway. Are you sure this actually existed? I checked the Great Eastern Railway Society page http://www.gersociety.org.uk/index.php/information and its list of predecessors and its listed as Ipswich and Bury there. That's why I corrected the box. regards --Davidvaughanwells (talk) 20:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

According to

• Butt, R.V.J. (1995). The Directory of Railway Stations. Yeovil: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 62. ISBN 1-85260-508-1. R508.

Claydon was "OP 24 December 1846 IB&N", which using the tables on pp. 9 & 291, decodes as "Opened 24 December 1846 by the Ipswich, Bury & Norwich Railway". If it had been the Ipswich & Bury St Edmunds Railway, the second acronym would have been "I&BStE". --Redrose64 (talk) 21:05, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Red - I do not doubt your source but my sources in the Great Eastern railway Journal(the article referenced) and other articles on the stations covering the same route all refer to the Ipswich and Bury Railway. Given that the society specializes in the area I would give more credance to them as a source of the Directory of Railway Stations. The IBR did have a branch to Norwich but other than your reference I can find no other mention of them. I will ask the question of the on line discussion group to see if I can shed any further light. Perhaps it started off as the IBR and added the Norwich later?--Davidvaughanwells (talk) 09:25, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Red

I have had an answer to this question form a member of the GER Society discussion group -

'Work did not officially commence on the Norwich extension until 25th Feb 1847, indicating that there was no intention to build it concurrent with the Bury line. As a result of the Act (27 July 1846) being passed the Company name was changed to Ipswich, Bury and Norwich Railway the next day. This line opened on 7th November 1848 but was not fully finished.'

So it would appear that it did change its name. Strangely then that it was still called I&BR in the amalgamation Act (9th July 1847) with the EUR. That would suggest that it was either a short lived change or an operating name rather than its legal title." --Davidvaughanwells (talk) 19:08, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Some railway companies, when seeking to extend their lines, formed a nominally-separate company for the extension; this was something of a legal trick so that if the extension suffered heavy losses, and needed to go into receivership, it would not bring down the parent company at the same time. Once the extension was completed and making money, the two companies would amalgamate, perhaps by the parent company buying the shares of the extension company. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:07, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Eric Butler-Henderson for DYK?

Hello, Redrose64. I thought I should let you know that the wikiarticle about "Eric Butler-Henderson" has been nominated for use in the "Did you know..." (DYK) section on Misplaced Pages's MainPage. Thank you for your contribution to Misplaced Pages. You may want to keep an eye on the nomination in case reviewers at DYK have comments or questions regarding your edits. Thanks. Happy editing. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 20:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Redrose64. May I ask if this article is ready for an appearance on MainPage yet, please? The DYK nomination has been approved. Please let me know if we should put a stop sign on this DYK. Thank you. --PFHLai (talk) 01:12, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I still think that it has potential for expansion, see Talk:Eric Butler-Henderson - I was going to suggest that you adjust the hook based on the suggestion of Rcsprinter123, but I see that it's a bit late for that now. Feel free to copyedit the article. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:13, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

It's not necessarily too late; if you feel that it could be changed you can always pull the hook from prep until its ready. Rcsprinter (gab) @ 11:06, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

This is on MainPage now... caught me a little bit by surprise. I didn't expect this to appear on MainPage so soon. I was hoping to see the train picture, too, but... oh, well... Thank you for starting the article. Happy editing. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 13:26, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages email - blank lines on talk pages

From email sent by BullRangifer (Redacted)@(Redacted) 2 February 2014 22:59

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace&diff=prev&oldid=593639708

I AGF and believe your application of an article style guideline for "lists" to threaded conversation on talk pages is well-intended. It does make individual comments in discussions harder for me and others to notice, but I'll try to live with it and not revert you. Many times I've seen people make ill-informed comments because they didn't notice another comment had already been made, largely because there was no visible separation between comments. Better too much separation, than none at all. I recall a time (pre 2003) when separation was the norm, and many of us older editors still do it.

If you wish to continue this practice, I suggest you get it made into an official guideline which applies to talk pages. Right now it only applies to mainspace articles and lists. Until then, it's just an irritation to me and makes it easier to miss others' comments. I need the actual physical separation to notice it.

Above, I've copied verbatim the email that I recieved when I checked my emails this afternoon. I don't believe in holding Misplaced Pages discussions off-Wiki, except when meeting somebody face-to-face.

@BullRangifer: WP:LISTGAP is part of MOS:ACCESS; and accessibility considerations apply to all pages, not just those in article space. As it says there, Do not separate list items, including items in a definition list (a list made with leading semicolons and colons) or an unordered list, by leaving blank lines or tabular column breaks between them - using leading colons to indent is exactly how threaded discussions are constructed. It also states Blank lines should not be used between indented lines as they are currently rendered as the end of a list and the start of a new one. WP:LISTGAP is a matter that has come up several times at various places, see for example Misplaced Pages talk:Talk page guidelines/Archive 9#new lines between comments or not? (May 2013); Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Archive 13#RfC: What is the scope of this guideline? The advice of Graham87 (talk · contribs) and RexxS (talk · contribs) is particularly worth consideration. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I do understand BR's concern and I too find it difficult to spot individual conversations when there are no gaps. Nevertheless, it's a nuisance I'm prepared to accept as it helps some visually-impaired visitors. Having said that, there is a work-around that minimises the annoyance for screen-readers, while making it easy to spot individual contributions. Instead of separating contributions with a blank line (which of course causes the previous list to 'unwind' and a new one to start), you can use a blank paragraph with the same level of indentation as either the previous or following comment - see the wikitext I just added. That seems to fix the problem for NVDA, and Graham has already noted that JAWS is smart enough not to suffer from the original problem anyway. Hope that helps. --RexxS (talk) 17:22, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I've never seen that work-around, just seen what I've always done (the use of blank lines by many editors), but it seems to work. It only seems to work for the editing view.

It's going to be a huge pain in the ass to add them to whole threads, which trouble seems to be far worse than just allowing traditional practice for many years..... Editing here used to be fun until this type of nitpickety stuff came along. Now I'm going to add a bunch of colons.

Note that no matter how many sets I use (a whole lot), they get ignored. I can't get the final version to show a blank line, or even slightly wider gap, between paragraphs. That's unsatisfactory. In an article or talk page one just adds a blank line. Period. Very simple. To get the colons to actually make a gap, there has to be text, as the ? marks below show. Above there are just as many colons, but without text, so no gap is shown.

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Now to the matter of forcefully applying a guideline for articles/lists to talk pages. I understand there's an RfC on the matter, which apparently went against the idea, but I don't know where it's located. I know that attempts to add wording to LISTGAP, which would justify applying this to talk pages, have been reverted, leaving me in my good right to continue to do as I have always done since 2003, when it was the norm. Here are the diffs:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility&diff=558102534&oldid=558100174
• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility&diff=558105503&oldid=558105105

Obviously this matter is not fully settled or truly consensus, and being hounded for doing it is rather unpleasant, so and I'd like to know the consensus of that RfC. Where is it located? -- Brangifer (talk) 05:47, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I already linked the RfC above, but it was just one thread in a whole series that were begun within a few days of each other in May 2013. The first of your two diffs is found at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Archive 12#Discussion of recent controversial changes to this guideline as links and ; your second diff is link in the same paragraph. The main thread for that is Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Archive 12#including talk page discussions (which continues to the end of the archive), but it was not the first such thread: at one point, I counted seven ongoing discussions on various pages. Other people noticed the multiplicity too, hence the comment by Pigsonthewing (talk · contribs) "Stop forum shopping". There may have been other related discussions that I was not aware of at the time. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:25, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for the links. So that's the RfC. It appears that there is no consensus. That RfC even started with concerns about editing others' comments, which is exactly what you did to me, without a consensus backing such an intrusive move. Do you do this consistently to every editor, including admins who add blank lines (many do)? Do you do it to all talk page threads? Is this intrusive practice wise? Does it create a more collaborative and collegial environment, or does it create more heat than light? I really think there should be a very strong consensus about this before you or anyone else removes blank lines. If someone with visual handicaps objects, let them contact me. It's never happened. Right now this handicaps me, and my reading glasses aren't even very strong. -- Brangifer (talk) 16:28, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The RfC was not formally closed, so perhaps an uninvolved admin should do so? Looking at recent edits to WP:AN/RFC, I see that several closures were made by admin HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs), who wasn't involved in this RfC.

I didn't edit your comments. I removed some blank lines, which does not change the meaning of the comments one bit. What it does do is to alter the presentation so that instead of a series of disjoint comments, it's presented as a continuous thread. Such an action is covered by WP:TPO#Fixing format errors and WP:TPO#Fixing layout errors. When somebody puts one blank line above their latest post, I usually ignore it; but if they insert blank lines between every single existing line in a thread, I feel that it's time to remove those unnecessary blank lines and point them to the relevant guideline. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:09, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Referencing the ambiguously interpreted link in an unsettled dispute isn't a usable technique for settling this. Getting a consensus for applying a guideline for articles and lists to talk pages would do it for me, as I always seek to abide by consensus. That's the point of this discussion, and there doesn't seem to be a consensus. Until you have that, this seems to be nitpickity harassment. It's totally unnecessary and takes the joy out of editing here. Newbie harassment would be bad enough, but harassing an oldtimer like myself? You should be above that. We're here to write an encyclopedia, not make it harder for each other. You've got to have better things to do than try to enforce a disputed interpretation of LISTGAP. Get that consensus and I'll abide by it, no matter how inconvenient for myself and myriad other editors who do as I have always done. If the consensus exists, point me to it. Until then, you seem to be a rogue sysop with a penchant for making a mountain out of a molehill at the expense of experienced editors. Guidelines are not policy. If you had been polite and discussed this with me first, we might not be here.

Your two links are to exactly the same content, which allows for adding a blank line, and nowhere actually forbids it. ("Separate multiple points with whitespace: If a single post has several points, it makes it clearer to separate them with a paragraph break (i.e. a blank line).") I wasn't aware of the rest about HTML "complexity", but as I am now aware from the discussion above, some screen-reader software doesn't like blank lines. So I guess millions of sighted editors are supposed to be inconvenienced by taking account of this? So does irritating two sides make one right ? (bad joke...)

Have you taken a look at all the blank lines on the talk page of the style guideline? There are massive amounts of blank lines, exactly as I always do. Why pick on me? Have I offended you in the past? Your way of dealing with this has certainly offended me:

1. Your misuse of my email offended me. You should know that by publishing my email without my permission, you violated copyright law and ethical behavior. I'm just letting you know so you don't do that again to anyone else, and certainly don't do it to me again. When someone writes you an email, the proper thing to do is to reply by email, or get permission first before publishing their email.
2. Your false claim offends me. I obviously didn't "insert blank lines between every single existing line in a thread" (see straw man), only between a few comments, making them visibly noticeable as separate comments, instead of a wall of text.

I added the lines so I could read the content more clearly and not miss any comments. Missing comments can cause serious offense and misunderstandings which are far worse than this issue. You removed the blank lines, making it harder for me again. (That's when I wrote you the civil email above, which you then brought here, violating good ethical behavior.) I didn't change the meaning of the content by adding blank lines, anymore than you changed the meaning of the content by removing them. The comments are still individual comments, identified by the sigs of the authors, and I didn't add blank lines in the middle of people's comments. No editor, including those using screen-readers, would misunderstand that.

Please, for the sake of peace, get a consensus before making more out of this. Why only pick on me, and not also correct the myriad other editors and sysops who don't follow your interpretation? There are millions of talk pages to choose from. No one is dying or getting hurt by this longstanding practice, but your actions are creating more heat than light, and that is what's hurtful.

Rest assured, I'm not a disruptive editor. If you get a clear community consensus, I will abide by that consensus. -- Brangifer (talk) 07:19, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

BullRangifer: I have found it uncomfortable to read the thread above, which leads me to presume that it may have been even more uncomfortable for the recipient to read. Perhaps a solution would be to try to limit your own use of unusual newlines, and to be tolerant when other editors politely remove them for the intended benefit of others. Please could I remind you of WP:CIVIL; perhaps take a deep breath before replying because everyone is here to contribute to a common cause. —Sladen (talk) 10:51, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

BullRangifer It seems I didn't understand your problem after all. Most people have problems in the edit window finding comments, so I gave you the work-around for that (indent an empty paragraph). If you want to see bigger gaps between comments in talk page view, you only need add the following to your common.css or your vector.css/mononbook.css or whatever skin you're using (Preferences -> Appearance -> Skin -- you'll find a link to custom.css for both common and your skins):

dl {padding-top:1.2em;}

After you've saved your skin page take a look at any talk page and you'll see spaces between each indented comment. If you want spaces between every paragraph instead use the following instead of the above:

dd {padding-top:1.2em;}

You may vary the 1.2em to change the size of the gap. That should solve the problem you complain about without causing inconvenience to users of the NVDA screen reader.

On a broader point, there's no need to be so aggressive when addressing other editors. "Rogue sysop" is completely uncalled for and you owe Redrose an apology. You know already that there will never be consensus on doing thing for the visually impaired because there are simply too many selfish individuals who don't mind inconveniencing the disabled considerably in order to make life a tiny bit easier for themselves with arguments like "... some screen-reader software doesn't like blank lines. So I guess millions of sighted editors are supposed to be inconvenienced by taking account of this?" You wouldn't be taking that line if you were unfortunate enough to the one with the affected screen-reader. --RexxS (talk) 16:06, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

RexxS, thanks for your wise words. Now that I have reread what I wrote, without the fresh feelings I had at the time, I can see what you mean, and I have stricken a whole lot of it. My concerns still exist. We do need a clear consensus, but even without it, I have not been following my old practice, simply because I don't want to cause anymore irritation. When I get time, I'll try your latest suggestion. I hope it works! Thanks.

Redrose64, I am truly sorry for being so blunt. It was unnecessary and you didn't deserve it. Please accept my apology. -- Brangifer (talk) 03:12, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, Thank you --Redrose64 (talk) 10:26, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

BR, thank you for your kindness. I'm am pretty sure that the CSS will solve the problem for you, but if it doesn't, please tell me and I'll search for something else for you. Redrose's page is actually a pretty good place to raise technical concerns as the talk page stalkers are often able to help as well. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 18:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Kolkata Metro

Could you help out with the article?E.g:Grammar,tone,and relevant info?Guru-45 (talk) 09:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I have no information on this system. I've never edited that article or its talk page. Have you asked WT:RAIL? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:00, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I had asked there,at first.Guru-45 (talk) 11:33, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Page moves

Hello R. Looks like a newbie is moving a couple pages and making a mess of things . The moves may well be legit but they are being done haphazardly. For one thing the qualifiers should not be capitalised. Also, the hat notes leading to the DAB page are now redlinks. It looks like this is in aid of creating this article for which there may (or may not) be notability and COI problems. While I have moved pages a time or two I am leery of reversing moves for fear of missing something and messing things up. If you would check things out it would be much appreciated. Thanks for your time. MarnetteD | Talk 22:00, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I restored "our" Colin Baker to his rightful place, per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE. It wasn't a particularly well-performed move either, since the talk page was left behind. There already is a Colin Baker (disambiguation), containing two footballers, and this minor songwriter may be added to that - if the AfC is approved for mainspace. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:35, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Looks good. Many thanks. MarnetteD | Talk 22:49, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Sevenoask Rail Station Edits

I fail to see why the information regarding the opening of a coffee shop at Sevenoaks Station is 'unencyclopedic' however, I understand that it may have not been in the corect section as it does not effect the operation of the services at the staion; I would have possibly concidered adding it to a new section entitled Facilities. GeorgeBurgess24 (talk) 11:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

It's mostly covered by WP:NOTTIMETABLE, but also falls within WP:NOTDIRECTORY/WP:NOTGUIDE/WP:IINFO. We can say that the station has refreshment facilities, even say that there is a coffee shop; but the name of the specific coffee shop chain is unimportant; and the opening of that shop several weeks later than promised is even less important. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:12, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I personally would like to see the refreshment facilities added to the page however shan't do it myself as to avoid error. GeorgeBurgess24 (talk) 20:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Consensus on edits to Superpower

Related to Talk:Superpower#Protected edit request on 6 February 2014

I was wondering if I could get some guidance from you about when it would be appropriate to reactivate my edit request for this page. In particular there are a couple of editors on the page who aren't making any points about the categories themselves, but about the main editing dispute on which countries constitute a superpower. One is a bit tangentially relevant in that he's saying that his (now discarded) version of the page was best and we shouldn't be adding anything to the page until we go back to his revision. As these argument seem to have nothing to do with whether the categories should be added, how are they weighted in determining if there's a consensus. I know consensus is not a vote, and is based on arguments, so if there are editors in favour of the change and the only arguments against it are 'if I can't have my edit you can't have your edit either', would that be considered a consensus in favour of the change? I honestly thought the edit would be completely uncontroversial (which is why I just put the template straight up), and I'm a bit flustered because I'm not sure how to respond to arguments that have literally nothing to do with the content of the requested edit. And it seems crazy to me to have to put an RFC up for something so ridiculously minor where nobody can give me a reason not to put it in place. So any guidance here would be really appreciated. Thanks! Wieno (talk) 23:51, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

It's not clear to me that agreement exists. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:16, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Maybe I'm just having difficulty understanding what objections have been raised to the categories. I haven't the foggiest idea what Occultzone was saying, and it appears the IP editor was saying that no edits at all to the page should be made unless we first revert to the December 30th version. I honestly do not know how to either engage with those arguments or compromise with those editors to get consensus. To put it another way, no editor on that talk page has asserted that the categories are inappropriate for the page. Per WP:CONSENSUS, "he quality of an argument is more important than whether it represents a minority or a majority view. The arguments "I just don't like it" and "I just like it" usually carry no weight whatsoever." I honestly don't see what substantive arguments have been put forward against the change. If there are actual arguments beyond 'no edits until we revert to the old page', then I'd really appreciate if you could point them out to me. Thanks. Wieno (talk) 09:59, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Eric Butler-Henderson

On 8 February 2014, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eric Butler-Henderson, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Great Central Railway locomotive no. 506, now preserved and restored for display at the Barrow Hill Engine Shed, was named after Eric Butler-Henderson when it entered service in 1919? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Butler-Henderson. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 12:47, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

West Wycombe Station

I need to correct you West Wycombe was provided as an original Wycombe Railway station here is a link to the photo of the original station prior to its rebuilding in 1906 http://www.transportarchive.org.uk/getobject.php?rnum=L1429&searchitem=west wycombe&mtv=L1&pnum=1. You will find the station appears in all the early time tables from 1862

The design of building was a typical Wycombe railway design if you send me your direct email I can send you a photo of Risborough taken between 1868 and 1870 and you will see both Risborough and West Wycombe stations are identical

Here are some more photos of the original 1862 building at West Wycombe http://www.transportarchive.org.uk/getobject.php?rnum=L1824&searchitem=west wycombe&mtv=L4&pnum=1

http://www.transportarchive.org.uk/getobject.php?rnum=L1216&searchitem=west wycombe&mtv=L2&pnum=1

my email is (Redacted)

David — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.169.114 (talk) 18:52, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I do not disclose my email address on Misplaced Pages, and I advise you not to do so either. I have removed it from the above. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:56, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Please see the Misplaced Pages policy on verifiability. Your edits to Princes Risborough railway station were not sourced - see WP:REFBEGIN for advice on doing that - but please note that examination of old photographs may fall foul of the policy on original research. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:01, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for supporting my views on the discussion about removing a7 speedies!

P.S. Fresh Air Aviation is not defunct.

Sparkyb10123 (talk) 22:23, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I read "They operated flights between Charlevoix and Beaver Island.", being in the past tense, as meaning that they were no longer in business. I've struck the word "defunct". --Redrose64 (talk) 22:40, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Math problem

{{Talkback|Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(technical)|Purge-refresh_major_math_pages|12:29, 12 February 2014 (UTC)}} per your request for pages that purge doesn't fix.
Thanks for your attention. SBaker43 (talk) 12:29, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Jack Xu

Glad that got fixed. You're right about the cut and paste diagnosis — essentially what happened was that the creator of the first version kept reverting anybody who made any edits to the article at all (maintenance templates, formatting corrections, etc.), so I put it under "pending changes". So he then started cut-pasting his preferred text into the other two versions of the title in an attempt to get around the restriction — and then kept flipping each title back and forth between a full article and a redirect to one of the other two versions, depending on which one he thought he had the upper hand at, until I finally just full-protected them all. But they were all created by the same editor; he was just trying to do an end run around Misplaced Pages process. Looks like it's been fixed now though. Bearcat (talk) 18:43, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

the russian flag is not at commons

i have real official source how the flag should look right here http://www.constitution.ru/symbols/flag.htm, and the file does not seem to be at commons, can you please change the flag now 83.180.213.146 (talk) 17:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

No. I explained at Talk:Flag of Russia#restoring original version. that this is not a matter for the English Misplaced Pages. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

This is a redirect

Hi, Redrose64 – in regard to this edit I was reminded of at least two discussions, here and here, on the subject of fixing a toolserver and/or bot problem with the "What links here" pages of tagged redirects. Do you know if this is still a problem or not? – Paine Ellsworth  23:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

No I don't, sorry. I don't have a toolserver account (and toolserver is undergoing a slow painful death), nor do I operate bots. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, well, since I haven't heard any recent rumblings about it, I shall stop using the

Template:Editnotices/Page/The Faraway Tree

Can you unprotect Template:Editnotices/Page/The Faraway Tree? Now that it's been moved, the titleblacklist takes care of it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:38, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

It looks like it was moved against my intentions. I created it at Template:The Faraway Tree editnotice (see the original request which is now at Template talk:Editnotices/Page/The Faraway Tree) because these characters appear in several of Enid Blyton's books, and I could see that there could be a need for a similar notice to be given on several pages. However, DoctorKubla (talk · contribs) - who made the original request - never got back to me on that. I still feel that there is such a need: it's clear from edits like this (which took me all of ten seconds to find, even though I'd never visited that page before) that well-intentioned people will carry on "correcting" the names. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry – I think I was waiting to see if the edit notice had any effect, and then I forgot about it. There does seem to be fewer people changing the names at The Faraway Tree since the notice was created, so I think it is worth placing it on the other related articles. I don't know how you'd go about doing that; I guess by recreating the original template and then transcluding it into each edit notice? You'd have to remove the bit about "See the Updates section", which only applies to the main article. DoctorKubla (talk) 09:34, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

@DoctorKubla: I've made this edit, which links the word "Updates", and also adjusts some of the text if the editnotice is used on any page other than The Faraway Tree. Which other pages should the editnotice be displayed on? --Redrose64 (talk) 14:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah, good thinking. The other articles are The Enchanted Wood (novel), The Magic Faraway Tree (novel) and The Folk of the Faraway Tree. DoctorKubla (talk) 07:29, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

@Jackmcbarn and DoctorKubla: OK,  Done, editnotice is now back where it started (although the original discussion inadvertently moved to Template talk:The Faraway Tree editnotice) and it's now used on four articles. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. DoctorKubla (talk) 18:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Can you reduce its protection level to template-protection to be in line with regular editnotices then? Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, done --Redrose64 (talk) 20:04, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Template:En

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Reply: Asperger's/Autism

Why do you worry about it so much? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pieter202 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Savart wheel as a potential DYK candidate?

Hi Redrose64. After hearing your mention of DYK the other day :) I wondered whether you, or one of your wikifriends/stalkers, might be interested in putting Savart's wheel (oops, no redirect!) up for DYK. During the last 2 days it's grown fivefold (from 596 main-text prose characters, excluding spaces, to its current 3,166), and I feel it's an interesting page which could have a decent hook (or hooke?), perhaps regarding ultrasound(?). Of course, if you don't want the trouble I'd quite understand. In which case, other editors I know do DYKs include Schwede66, Rosiestep and Orlady. But I thought I'd give you first refusal on this. Cheers, 86.173.146.3 (talk) 16:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Adding: If anybody does decide to nominate this I'd be quite happy to help respond to reviewer requests. 86.173.146.3 (talk) 16:09, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

• I'm afraid I've now given up on this and will be taking a wikibreak for a few days. If anyone's interested though, I do think it would make a good DYK. 86.173.146.3 (talk) 22:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I really don't see what it's got to do with me. I've never edited that article, I've got little interest in it and no sources that could be used to improve it. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:54, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Then I'll ask someone else (or perhaps see whether I can do it myself as an ip after my wikibreak). I just thought you might like it. No matter :) —86.173.146.3 (talk) 00:19, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

JPaest

You might find this interesting: User talk:JPaestpreornJeolhlna#Multiple accounts – as I did. – Paine Ellsworth  17:02, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I saw it; but I'm not sure what Department is referring to. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Oldest tube stock

Re your edit here, I think the point is that the 1967 Bakerloo stock is older than the 1969 C Stock. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

@Mattbuck: Indeed, the 1967 Tube Stock was older than the C Stock; but there are several problems with the edit: the 1967 Stock is no longer in service; it never ran on the Bakerloo line; it never could have run on the Bakerloo, because the 1967 Stock was equipped for Automatic Train Operation (ATO) and so could only run on lines also equipped for ATO, which the Bakerloo never has been (1967 Stock was only used on the Victoria and Central lines); the Bakerloo line is currently operated by 1972 Tube Stock. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:46, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah yes, I was getting confused with 72 stock. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 13#Section editing reflinks idea

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Oxford University Library

Dear Redrose! Is it possible to get a scan of a rare work, held on Oxford Library: http://solo.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=OXVU1&docId=oxfaleph015119309 I cannot get it anywhere else, so I hope you can help me, or you know anyone, who can help.

I need: "Assam Forest Records. Botany." Calcutta, India. vol. 1: part 5, t. 3. 1934 / There is an article about "Stercula khasiana" in it. I need a scan of this article and of the title pages and the imprint of this work. Thank you very much, -- Doc Taxon (talk) 17:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

@Doc Taxon: I don't think that I can. I'm not a member of the University, and AFAIK the Bodleian is not open to the general public. Have you asked at WT:OXFORD? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:35, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll ask there -- Doc Taxon (talk) 17:48, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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Those lyrics

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London Wiki

If you want to develop any transport related articles on feel free to discuss. Jackiespeel (talk) 22:47, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

@Jackiespeel: I respectfully decline, for two reasons: (i) I don't wish to fork or duplicate my work; (ii) it's got advertising . --Redrose64 (talk) 23:30, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

'Just drawing your attention to it' (in case you wish to post original research and other materials) - and if you use Monobook the adverts don't appear :) Jackiespeel (talk) 09:48, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

But the ads still appear for most people, and I am not in the business of selling products that I didn't make to people who probably don't want them but would far rather read the page content. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:33, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

The same could be said of most newspapers, many TV channels, and a range of other media - but this is wandering into a different and philosophic discussion.

No harm in mentioning the wiki. Jackiespeel (talk) 16:07, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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Talkback from Technical 13

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oldffdfull

Hi Redrose64, thanks for your note. I must say that, over time, I've come to ignore the "talk page" bit of that guideline for files. What I found is that where the note was on the talk page, files get renominated as people (including myself) don't see the flag that it's already been through the wringer. as the File page is an administrative page anyway it seemed most sensible put the "deletion closed" tag in the same place that the deletion tag was. I noticed that over time there where a number of administrators closing the discussions and creating the talk page just to hold the tag, and the file being subsequently re-nominated as people just don't see it. I think few users look at file talk pages. IF you like you can move the tags but as there may be hundreds over the past few years, and I'm not sure I see that it's useful. - Peripitus (Talk) 19:54, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

203.97.255.42

Four years of rigidly editing, yet not one single contribution outside of mainspace, let alone answering posts to his own talk page. Bizarre. — Scott • talk 12:12, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• P.S. Talking of difficult editors, this post of yours is legendary. Full points. — Scott • talk 12:17, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, 203.97.255.42 (talk) has some odd ideas on copyediting. I gave up posting to the talk page once I realised that it had no effect. Despite serving notices to the level of {{subst:uw-disruptive3}} or {{subst:uw-disruptive4}} on at least four occasions, I didn't block because a first-time block longer than 31 hours would probably not be appropriate, and they often wait longer than that between edits. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:59, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Right. I briefly considered trying to reach out to him this morning, but decided it would almost certainly be a waste of time. He's just something to work around, I guess. — Scott • talk 13:14, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Railway line templates

I'm still a novice when it comes to editing these templates - so thanks for the advice as regards reducing the text size, Redrose64. Bluebird207 (talk) 17:00, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

St vs. St.

You've reverted one of my edits, which I shall leave as-is, for the time being. As, in your words, "St" doesn't take a period because it ends in the same letter as "Saint". As an erstwhile public school-educated specimen, I find that most interesting. That's our British grammar, apparently, on an American/international encyclopedia, with your American term for a full stop in the edit summary. Furthermore, the article itself uses that very same, full stopped, St. in the article title. I expect that you might approve of me, taking the time to point out that couple of further problems. Regards, EP111 (talk) 17:20, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

WP:TPS Butting in, if I may, as an erstwhile non-public school-educated specimen... I have seen all mannner of variants for this word, all over wikipedia, just as in real life, but particularly with regard to church dedications: Saint, St, St., and even Snt., with and without a space. Surely there is some wiki policy on this? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

@EP111: (after e/c with post above) I use the term "period" because most of the time I'm responding to an American, many of whom don't realise that spelling and grammar conventions differ in Britain. It's also three bytes shorter in the limited space available. Anyway, in American English, abbreviations almost always take a full stop; but in British English, an abbreviation only takes a full stop if the last letter of the abbreviation is different from the last letter of the word that is abbreviated. See

• Pearsall, Judy, ed. (1999). The Concise Oxford Dictionary (Tenth ed.). Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 1395. ISBN 0-19-860259-6.

where we find "St • abbrev. 1 Saint ..." - compare this with an entry slightly further down the page: "Sta. • abbrev. railway station."

Regarding <small>...</small> - there has been a move over the last few years to get rid of this from infoboxes in articles; if there is a perceived need to make the text smaller, this may be done by altering the font size within the infobox template itself. If that were done, it would require only one change rather than several thousand edits, and so is more efficient. Also please bear in mind that a reduced text size may have WP:ACCESSIBILITY issues.

Regarding the full stop at the end of the caption: MOS:CAPTION says "Most captions are not complete sentences, but merely sentence fragments that should not end with a period." It also indirectly discourages small text, where it says "The text of captions should not be specially formatted (with italics, for example), except in ways that would apply if it occurred in the main text." It's not clear what "specially formatted" means, but it's clear that italics are not the only way. I read this as meaning "in circumstances where <small>...</small> is valid in the main text" (which it rarely is) "then if those same circumstances apply in the caption, <small>...</small> may be used there as well". --Redrose64 (talk) 17:53, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, I'm in the middle of a discussion with Keith D about the small tag markup situation, for UK places infoboxes, since he raised it with me last night. As this is non-standard formatting, compared to the settlement infobox, and I'm of the opinion that it should be standard across all UK places (indeed, the rest of the world uses the small setting for places captions in infoboxes), with London being the primary example, which all others should follow. At the moment, it's not a situation which is conducive to fast and clean editing. I expect that it will need an authorised template editor-type person to force the caption to a specific size, in the template code, regardless of any other user-employed markup. Perhaps, somebody would know how to raise this with the suitable administrator? All of your other points have been taken on board. Regards, EP111 (talk) 18:16, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, that all sounds very clear. But, just as an example, take a look at what's listed here. (I guess the debate over e.g. St Mark's vs Saint Mark's is a much larger one. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:19, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

The place to discuss a change to {{infobox UK place}} is Template talk:Infobox UK place. It has 14 archive pages; there may be some discussion in those. The most recent seems to have been Template talk:Infobox UK place/Archive 13#Small and the image description, which goes with this amendment to the doc page. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:01, 20 March 2014 (UTC) amended Redrose64 (talk) 20:40, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice and info. Is there really no wiki policy on abbreviating "Saint" in the names of churches? Oh well. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

For an article about a church building, Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (architecture) applies, which states "Dot (.) after St (St.) should be always used." But this is a photo caption in an article about an English village, so it's really a WP:ENGVAR thing: see MOS:ABBR#Abbreviations widely used in Misplaced Pages which allows "St. or St" --Redrose64 (talk) 20:15, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, many thanks. I am surprised that someone has not gone through all the church articles and added the full stops. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

East Halton railway station

Hi, can you have another look at this edit to East Halton railway station as there seems to be some confusion here as the station is shown to be disused yet you have indicated it is open on a closed line. May be there is some other line that needs to be described but as it stands it does not make any sense. Keith D (talk) 21:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

@Keith D:, no, it's not East Halton that is shown as open, but Goxhill. The line between Goxhill and East Halton is closed. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:32, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - it is my misreading of the change. Keith D (talk) 21:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Stub discussion

Hi Redrose! Thanks for finding the previous stub/hidden cat discussion – I was sure I'd proposed something similar in the past but when I couldn't find anything I assumed it was an idea I never put forward. A case of looking in all the wrong places! Thanks. SFB 07:33, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

templates

Some of the templates that you recently worked on now have an extra } showing art the end. For example, allrovi and rotten-tomatoes. I think also boxoffice mojo and metacritic. Please check them all. BollyJeff | talk 13:00, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

@Bollyjeff and TheRedPenOfDoom: Yes, sorry; I miscounted the braces.  Fixed --Redrose64 (talk) 13:25, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Smash!

You've been squished by a whale!
Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something really silly.

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Learn to use the preview button :P --Mdann52talk to me! 18:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I already apologised, dig? --Redrose64 (talk) 18:47, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

New edit count tool

The user analysis tool has been updated and is located at 1 (talk · contribs)&project=en.wikipedia. The same is utilised by Template talk:User2. Can you please update the template coding to accomodate the modification? Diptanshu 11:22, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

@Diptanshu.D: Are you sure that you've got that right? It's not possible to embed links inside other links. Also, why not make a normal edit request on the talk page of the relevant templates? --Redrose64 (talk) 11:28, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes I admit that I have made a mistake. But I do not know what is the correct form. The link for you would be and the username would vary with the person. I have already left a note on the template talk page but I thought that may be you can help. Diptanshu 11:31, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For your excellent service to stub sorting on wikipedia. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:39, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Dr. Blofeld (the well-known creator of thousands of stubs). --Redrose64 (talk) 10:45, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Hehe, not so many nowadays though! BTW I've made some jazz-related proposals on the stub sorting page. Do you know if the Welsh county building and structures templates were created afterwards? I requested them a while back.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:46, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Probably not, otherwise they would show as subcats of Category:Welsh building and structure stubs much like the county cats in Category:Wales geography stubs - which AFAIK is the only stub type that goes down to county level for Wales. Do you recall how long ago it was requested? --Redrose64 (talk) 11:00, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

9 months- a year ago? Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2013/January 15 months ago.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld on a different matter that we discussed some months back - have you seen this? It's a recently-added feature, and is much quicker than that TParis tool (which isn't always available either). The main problem is that it won't distinguish redirects from regular articles. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:08, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I hadn't.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:14, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Greek constituency

could you copy-and-paste the last deleted revision of Template:Infobox Greek constituency to User:Frietjes/g? you can put it inside comment tags or whatever, and I will have it deleted within 24 hours. the editor who orphaned it screwed up the maps, and I need to see the old syntax to determine if they were properly fixed. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

@Frietjes: OK,  Done --Redrose64 (talk) 23:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

thank you! all cleaned up. Frietjes (talk) 00:23, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Whitechapel code

Hi there! Take a quick look at the national rail site. Perhaps it is an error, but the current code for Whitechapel is definitely ZLW. Bizarre. Thanks! tractakid (talk) 23:04, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Talkback, Crossrail

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Likelife (talk) 08:05, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Redrose, I've replied Likelife (talk) 08:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for editing this protected page! ElKevbo (talk) 22:38, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Coventry

I intend to attend my friend. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 02:51, 29 March 2014 (UTC).

Substituting complex templates

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Hastings Line

Would you take a look at the Hastings Line article and maybe give it a bit of a polish? Mjroots (talk) 15:46, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

@Mjroots: According to Today it reopened this morning after some months. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:50, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Yep, got that. I meant have a look at the article. Still some work to do, but I've got to source some books from library first. Once that's done, we can resort to contemporary sources such as Hansard and newspapers. Mjroots (talk) 16:51, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm still waiting on Vol 2 of the History of the Southern Railway. One cpoy is supposed to be available for loan via Kent Libraries, but it has "disappeared" . You've had a look at the article, do you think it might stand a chance of a GA? Mjroots (talk) 20:06, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Do you mean

• Dendy Marshall, C.F.; Kidner, R.W. (1963) . History of the Southern Railway. Vol. Vol. Two (2nd ed.). Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 290. ISBN 0-7110-0059-X. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help); Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Mine doesn't say anything about it being Volume Two. It covers the whole period from the Surrey Iron Railway until 1947. Internally, the 42 chapters are grouped into five Parts.
You're far more experienced at GA than me; I only ever got one article to GA largely unaided: NBR 224 and 420 Classes. But I would say: why not give it a bash? So long as you don't get it reviewed by a fool, you should get some suggestions for improvement. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

That's the one. My father has Vo1 One (parts I - III, pp 1-278). Sod's law is that all the info I want is in Vol Two. Mjroots (talk) 21:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Part IV "The South Eastern and Chatham Railway" is pp. 279-388; Part V "The Southern Railway" is pp. 389-486. Then come Appendices I-VII, the index, and two fold-out maps. I'll remove the |volume=Vol. Two because it looks as if it was in two volumes at one time, but ISBN 0-7110-0059-X is definitely a combined edition. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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And I see that the true perp had been warned three months ago. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:06, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Betty Boothroyd

Sorry, don't understand how that happened. I selected to have the talk page moved as well. Then didn't notice that it didn't happen! Thank you for fixing my mistake. Julia\ 16:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Blank lines in talk page discussions

Please don't delete blank lines between talk page posts. This goes against Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines#Good_practices_for_all_talk_pages_used_for_collaboration: Keep the layout clear.

Thank you for providing me with some links so i can catch up on previous discussions. However, they show that i am indeed not a singular case considering that:

• Discussions are not lists;
• Nor are they definitions -- those need a semicolon for the term being defined;
• MOS applies to "Article space only unless explicit" -- this bit has been repeated quite a lot on the RfC you provided.
• Better too much separation, than none at all.

^ THIS ^ was a list. Notice that i haven't ever added a line break between items of such lists. Even more obvious is the fact that adding line breaks within numbered lists breaks their flow, so presumably that case is even more rare. It's still not found on the talk page we're disagreeing on.

Also, i'm interested to see where did you get the idea that "MOS:ACCESS applies to all namespaces, not just articles." It specifically talks about "article structure", and other sections start with "In articles" or "in Misplaced Pages articles". The only bit that mentions talk pages is about indentation.

As for Under Indentation, the same page states Blank lines should not be used between indented lines as they are currently rendered as the end of a list and the start of a new one. -- I concede this one. Then maybe you should've used this as argument instead of LISTGAP, but then this particular statement is pretty much drowned in the INDENTGAP paragraph. Guess direct messages about the issue is the most clear way to deal with our disagreement.

As a final note, i see that WP:LISTGAP at one point tried to specifically say: "including items in a definition list (a list made with leading semicolons and colons - including talk page discussions)" -- but by now the explicit mention of talk page discussions has been dropped. Maybe because it doesn't apply to those? Please establish a consensus to change the guideline to clearly include talk pages, as well as template talk pages as a particular case, and then i'll be happy to stop arguing that it's out of scope of LISTGAP. -- Jokes_Free4Me (talk) 09:59, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Animated films work group

Thank you for your help in adding a parameter to the {{WikiProject Film}} template, in order to include articles in the Animated films work group. I have started to add the parameter to talk pages, however the articles are not being added to the project with the proper classification, since the Film project does not use the |importance= parameter. Therefore, they are showing up on the assessment table as "Other". Is there any way to have these articles default to the importance for the {{WikiProject Animation}} template? Or does another parameter need to be added, to reflect the importance assessment of these articles? Fortdj33 (talk) 15:04, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

@Fortdj33: If the basic {{WikiProject Film}} template had recognised |importance=, that could have been passed through; but it doesn't. We could add one, but if it is specifically for animated films, we shouldn't use a generic parameter name, so it needs a new parameter. This edit is approximately what's required. It adds the |Animated-film-task-force-importance= parameter, and two aliases for that: |Animated-importance= and |animated-importance= --Redrose64 (talk) 15:39, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

That looks good, except for the fact that none of the other Film task forces use importance. I understand that this one is unique, because it's technically a work group of the Animation project, but I'm not sure that an exception should be made just for this one. I guess I didn't take this difference between the two projects into consideration when I proposed the addition. Is there no other way that we could just have the importance parameter from one template reflected on the other? Fortdj33 (talk) 16:12, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

If a talk page has both {{WikiProject Film|animated=yes}} and {{WikiProject Animation}}, surely that's redundancy? But if both are present, there is no way for either one to be aware of the presence of the other, therefore there is no means for extracting parameter data from the other. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:18, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

OK. Let me experiment with the existing parameters a bit before adding anything more. I agree that having both banners on the same article is a little redundant, but all the articles affected are probably under the scope of both projects. Thanks for the information! Fortdj33 (talk) 16:24, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I want to thank you again for the feedback that you've given me, regarding the problem with parameters on the {{WikiProject Animation}} template. I hope that I'm not bothering you, but since you've responded to different forms of my question in several different places, I thought that I would return here to follow up.

Right now, it appears to me that there are 3 choices:

1. Add a new parameter to the {{WikiProject Film}} template, as you have described above. As I said, I think this would make the Animated films task force stick out like a sore thumb, because none of the other Film task forces use importance.
2. Convince the Film project to use importance parameters on all their task forces. This would make things consistent, but is unlikely.
3. Convince the Animated Films work group to stop using the importance parameter. Alternately, the assessment table for this particular work group could just be modified, to only show quality and not importance. Something similar was done for User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Fictional character, when that project stopped using the importance parameter.

At this point, I'm just trying to make sure that all affected articles are added to the project in the same way, so that I can get back to using the |Animated= parameter properly. Thank you again for all your help! Fortdj33 (talk) 02:05, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that it's feasible to ask a WikiProject to stop using importance ratings. I don't think that it's necessary to impose importance ratings upon all of the Film taskforces - just one general importance for the Film wikiproject, plus one for Animated, might be a satisfactory compromise. Have a look at {{WikiProject Trains}} - there is a general |importance= parameter, and of the 27 taskforces, 10 have their own importance rating (e.g. |UK-importance= goes with |UK=yes, but 17 have no importance rating at all - there is no |locos-importance= for |locos=yes. Sometimes you may find that one or more task forces of a WikiProject have an importance rating that is inherited from the parent WikiProject - such as {{WikiProject Beer}} where |importance= is used to populate subcats of Category:Beer articles by importance, but when |pubs=yes is set, is also used to populate Category:Pubs articles by importance - even though there is no special |pubs-importance= parameter. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:14, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

So if I understand you correctly, either way a parameter will need to be added to the {{WikiProject Film}} template, in order for animated films articles to stop showing up as "Other". Either a general importance parameter is added, which is then inherited by any task forces that use importance (the Animated films task force being the only one, as far as I know). Or, a specific importance parameter is added, just for the Animated films task force, as you initially suggested. Now that you've given examples of both, I am happy with whichever way is more convenient. Fortdj33 (talk) 23:45, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

A general importance parameter isn't inherited unless the WikiProject banner is explicitly instructed to do so. {{WikiProject Beer}} has (among other things) this code:

|tf 1                = {{{pubs|}}}
 |TF_1_LINK          = Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Beer/Pub Taskforce
 |TF_1_NAME          = the Pubs taskforce
  |tf 1 importance   = {{{importance|}}}
  |TF_1_ASSESSMENT_CAT = Pubs articles

Here we have |tf 1 importance= and |TF_1_ASSESSMENT_CAT=. This means that task force 1 (set by |pubs=yes) has an importance rating, but it is set from the general rating |importance= and not from one that is specific to that task force. This is what I mean by "an importance rating that is inherited from the parent WikiProject". Compare {{WikiProject Trains}} which has (among other things) this code:

 |tf 3={{{UK|{{{uk|}}}}}}
  |TF_3_LINK         = Misplaced Pages:WikiProject UK Railways
  |TF_3_NAME         = WikiProject UK Railways
  |tf 3 importance={{{UK-importance|{{{uk-importance|}}}}}}
  |TF_3_ASSESSMENT_CAT= UK Railways articles
 |tf 5={{{locos|{{{Locos|}}}}}}
  |TF_5_LINK         = Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Trains/Locomotives task force
  |TF_5_NAME         = the Locomotives task force

Notice the presence of |tf 3 importance= and |TF_3_ASSESSMENT_CAT= but the absence of |tf 5 importance= and |TF_5_ASSESSMENT_CAT=. This means that task force 3 (set by |UK=yes) has its own importance rating (set by |UK-importance=) whereas task force 5 (set by |locos=yes) has no importance rating at all: it doesn't inherit, because it's not been instructed to do so. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:58, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. Since the Film project in general does not use the importance parameter, I think that the {{WikiProject Trains}} example is probably the way to go, which is also in line with your original suggestion. I will copy your example over to the Film template as a formal request. Thanks again! Fortdj33 (talk) 14:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Welsh struct templates

Hi, I created the templates at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2013/January. However for some reason the bottom half have errors. Perhaps you, User:Waacstats (a proud fellow Welshman), or User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao would be interested in stub sorting with them. Let me know then what the stub count is per county and I might create some new stubs.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

The |name= parameter needs the full page name - you omitted the namespace. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I can try to take a look this evening. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:13, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Once the new templates have been added to some articles, their usage can be determined using Jarry1250 (talk · contribs)'s tool: Anglesey; BlaenauGwent; Bridgend; Caerphilly; Cardiff; Carmarthenshire; Ceredigion; Conwy; Denbighshire; Flintshire; Gwynedd; Merthyr; Monmouthshire; NeathPortTalbot; Newport; Pembrokeshire; Powys; RhonddaCynonTaf; Swansea; Torfaen; ValeofGlamorgan; Wrexham. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Nice one, thanks both.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:48, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Same-sex union legislation

Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)/Archive 125#Help for a template and category (greek wikipedia)

@Xaris333: I moved the discussion back to VPT, to avoid it being split up on various pages. Other people may wish to assist. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Time correction on Meta

Thanks for the heads up on the confused time details. It has no been corrected. Leutha (talk) 14:30, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Chrome plate plastic

Redrose64,

I see your point of view about removing the external link, although many will come to this page looking for actual companies that chrome plate plastic, and we would qualify as experts on this. I think it would actually be beneficial to have a link to our company on this page, yet if you deen it to be inappropriate, than that is your prerogative.

Thanks,

Oren Braude Romac Products — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.25.2.248 (talk) 15:29, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

In order for a link to your company to be included, you need to ensure that it satisfies the guideline on external links; also WP:NOTADVERTISING, WP:NPOV and WP:COI. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:40, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

BOT Request

Hi Redrose64, I have requested for a bot to cleanup the Tamil wiki articles, I didn't get any reply regarding the same, to whom I can approach for the same? Thanks!--Dineshkumar Ponnusamy (talk) 09:43, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

@Dineshkumar Ponnusamy: I've never edited on Tamil Misplaced Pages, and I don't think that I've ever visited it, other than to determine that the Tamil equivalent of WP:Bots is ta:விக்கிப்பீடியா:தானியங்கிகள். Since bots do exist on Tamil Misplaced Pages, have you tried the appropriate noticeboards there? Please note that I don't operate any bots (on English Misplaced Pages or elsewhere), and I don't make decisions on bot requests or tasks, although I do occasionally offer suggestions. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:30, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64:, I've discussed the bot request in the village-pump of Tamil Misplaced Pages, I need some help to create the bot. Am little aware of programming, I need support for creating the bot. Once it is ready, I'll get the approval from Tamil Misplaced Pages. --Dineshkumar Ponnusamy (talk) 03:50, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

I believe the writ of our beloved and dear arbitrators runs not upon Wikipedias of 239 languages. This might be worth looking at. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough: can I get the full name of writ, so that I can approach him. Thanks. --Dineshkumar Ponnusamy (talk) 03:50, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I was writing unreadable English. If the Tamil Misplaced Pages community would like me to run such a bot, I would be happy to do so. I will also be happy to look at an other bot requests, provided there is local consensus. I know no Tamil. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

Rich Farmbrough case clarified

The arbitration clarification request, either involving you, or in which you participated (Rich Farmbrough) has resulted in a clarification motion by the Arbitration Committee

The Clarification can be found at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich_Farmbrough#Clarifications_by_motion and the complete discussion can be found at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich_Farmbrough#Clarification_request:_Rich_Farmbrough_.28April_2014.29 For the Arbitration Committee,--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

The Monk

I was sitting with a high steward, discussing Anglo-Saxon monks. The name we couldn't remember was Nennius. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 04:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

FYI

—Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:40, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't take Rail, but I do subscribe to The Railway Magazine, and occasionally get Modern Railways and Today's Railways Europe. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:56, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. Do any of their recent issues mention Meldon Viaduct? According to Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells (I paraphrase I think he might have been from Rutland or somewhere! ;)) writing to Rail, Dartmoor National Park Authority and/or English Heritage have stated that the old LSWR route from Exeter to Plymouth couldn't be re-opened because of Meldon Viaduct's condition and/or status as a scheduled monument. I'd love to track that statement down and add it to the article, assuming DoTW hasn't got the wrong end of the stick. Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:52, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

HJ - you're older than I thought! "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" is a character in Take It From Here, circa 1953. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:00, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The reference you are looking for is in RAIL 743 (March 5 - 18 2014), page 53, in an article by Richard Clinnick entitled "Reconnecting the South West". The relevant paragraph states that "Mike Hendick, communications officer for Dartmoor National Park, says the viaduct is a Scheduled Ancient Monument, which would mean the involvement of English Heritage, the government advisor on the historic environment". Hendick doesn't say that reopening would be impossible but that it would be "a monstrous undertaking" due to the compulsory purchase of land which would be required (page 54). The article also mentions a "West Devon County Committee report" dated 19 November 2010 which referred to "the need to improve the track to overcome potential weight issues on the Meldon viaduct" (page 57). Finally, the local MP, Anne Marie Morris, pointed out that the viaduct was "refurbished in the mid 1990s, and prior to take had been used by lorries and a rail headshunt until (I believe) 1990" (page 55). Lamberhurst (talk) 17:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Coopersale page deletion close

Thanks for your work on Misplaced Pages. I notice you did a 'Procedural close' on the 'Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Coopersale Halt railway station'. I think this happened as the proposal was done by one user and finished by another. What is the status of this now, if closed can the deletion discussion be reactivated / restarted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.85.176.40 (talk) 07:31, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

It was not a formal closure, but a !vote - a suggestion that it be closed, because procedure laid down at WP:AFDHOWTO had not been followed. If I had been formally closing the incomplete AFD, I would have followed the procedure laid down at WP:AFD/AI, and the AFD discussion page would then look something like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:47, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Change font

Do you know how to change the font in the edit window? It still isn't big enough for me. Plus, my years of using text windows on Linux makes me wish for monotype. Bgwhite (talk) 07:56, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I assume that you wish to change the font size, and specifically in the large multi-line edit window as used for regular editing, rather than the single-line windows (such as those used for the edit summary).

form#editform textarea#wpTextbox1 {
  font-size: 150%;
}

in Special:MyPage/common.css should do it. If it doesn't work in all the places that it should, try removing either form#editform or textarea#wpTextbox1 (but not both). Other effects may be achieved by use of other properties; those listed in sections 15.3 through 15.7 (inclusive) at CSS 2.1 Fonts are the ones that you might find particularly useful. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:39, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much. form#editform textarea#wpTextbox1 is what I was after. I've missed my DejaVu Sans Mono. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgwhite (talk • contribs) 22:23, 24 April 2014‎

If that font is installed on your machine, you could use

form#editform textarea#wpTextbox1 {
  font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono';
}

the quotes are mandatory for a multi-word font name. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

It is on my machine and that is what I originally installed via the css file. I've been using it for almost ten years on the linux side. My precious. Bgwhite (talk) 23:12, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Yoko Ono edits

Could you leave the citation methods alone? The article is in the midst of a 2nd GAN, and the presiding reviewer does not like sfn's. He reads them as links and get confused. If you feel strongly that he's in the wrong, please argue with XXSNUGGUMSXX directly on his Talk page. I will keep going on the GAN work. thanks!--Aichik (talk) 13:26, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

@Aichik: It was XXSNUGGUMSXX who I was assisting. They left a request for help at Help talk:Cite errors#Yoko Ono. I was responding to that request, as was John of Reading. Also, I cannot find any mention of {{sfn}} at Talk:Yoko Ono/GA4. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:33, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

It was under "John Lennon" and in the "Sourcing" section. You seem to have addressed it, hopefully XXSNUGGUMSXX will get the aspects, which apply to many of bulleted points about sourcing, he doesn't understand and your changes will help.--Aichik (talk) 14:28, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

meta:Meetup/Oxford/15

Do we have the numbers for this?©Geni (talk) 17:01, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

@Geni: If you mean "how many will be there", it's a variable. Four have signed up (including you and me), but that doesn't mean that four will be there. If RexxS comes, that usually means that HJ Mitchell will attend too; and MistyMorn often signs at the last minute, sometimes as an IP. We might get Rich Farmbrough if he also visits his sister. Other semi-regulars include GeoffH 112SU, Grandiose, Jarry1250, Mervyn, Stemonitis, John of Reading. I'm hoping that KTC will make it some day. But don't worry, I'll be there. The fewest we've had was three, at Oxford 8. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I am planning on being there. I need a break from Misplaced Pages. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:41, 26 April 2014 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough: A break? You've just come back from 12 months off. Denied. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:48, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

The only number you need to know is 62. --RexxS (talk) 21:45, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I definitely plan to attend in the near future, but unfortunately have other plans today. Let me know when you have a date for Oxford 16. -- KTC (talk) 09:10, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Part-timer! :P I'll be there. Wasn't sure I'd be up to it, but I'm fine now. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:05, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll be there (but not from the start). Just leaving home now, best guess eta is about 3pm. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I will be right behind you! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:09, 27 April 2014 (UTC).

Wikimania

6–10 August 2014. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

British Rail Class 68

Thank you for your edits to British Rail Class 68. Biscuittin (talk) 10:16, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Chuckle that leads to a question

Hello R. First off this edit summary cracked me up. It also reminded me of a question that I had been meaning to ask you. A year or so ago I noticed that the Counties of the United Kingdom were being added to the text of various biography articles as well as their infoboxes. As you know I have respect for WP:ENGVAR so I have wondered if use of the county name is common practice in the UK. Over here I can't think of an example of a county name being used to describe where a person is from. The one exception might be if the county is notorious for some reason. OTOH I can't remember a conversation where I told someone "I am from Conifer, Jefferson County, Colorado" (USA, Earth, Sol, Mutter's Spiral) :-) Now, I am not proposing to change any policies I'm just curious. I am digging through my shelves to pull together some of my favorite Bob Hoskins performances for viewing this weekend. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 02:21, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) In some U.S. states, it is common to say that you live or come from a given county. Virginia is one example. Government in Virginia is organized at a county level, so school districts and local governments are often county-wide, with few self-governing cities or towns. I expect there are other U.S. states in which this is the case. I can't speak to the U.K. situation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:26, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks J. Good to learn something new! Would you expect to see that in a written bio? For instance when I see coverage of US Senate races from Virginia the county isn't mentioned. The states that don't use the term "county" can have some interesting turns of phrase. I lived in Ketchikan, Alaska for a few years and worked for the local government offices of the Ketchikan-Gateway Borough. Thus, I worked for the KGB :-) Thanks again. MarnetteD | Talk 04:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

The main problem with British counties is that their boundaries have changed frequently, particularly in the last 50 years; it's made worse because counties have several purposes, and the boundaries for one purpose are not necessarily the same as those for another purpose. For example, Blackley was (prior to 1974) in Lancashire for geographical purposes, but in the County Borough of Manchester for administrative purposes. The Royal Mail used their own system of counties, which were essentially the geographical county of the sorting office for the address concerned: for example, Highclere, which is geographically and administratively in Hampshire, is postally in Berkshire because its mail is sorted at Newbury.

Much of the pre-1974 situation (and a whole lot more) is covered at articles like Historic counties of England. Several Acts of Parliament in the early 1970s (such as the Local Government Act 1972 (which covered England and Wales), the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973 and the Local Government Act (Northern Ireland) 1972) attempted to rationalise the situation, by creating a uniform two-tier system of counties and their subdivisions (districts, London boroughs, metropolitan boroughs) for England; further Acts like the Local Government Act 1985 and the Local Government Act 1992 served to complicate things once again.

In England, the effects of the 1972 Act came in 1974, when some counties (like Middlesex, Rutland, Westmorland) were completely abolished; others (like Berkshire and Lancashire) were reduced in area; some (like Cambridgeshire and Oxfordshire) were increased in area; and still more (like Greater Manchester and Merseyside) were created as entirely new entities. Something even more drastic happened in Scotland the following year - only Fife kept its name and approximate boundaries, everything else changed. The effect of the 1985 Act (which came into force in 1986) was to do away with six of the counties created in 1974 (such as Greater Manchester); and the 1992 Act allowed some more counties, both old (like Berkshire) and new (like Cleveland) to be abolished.

These changes gave rise to resentment (and even anger) that persists to this day, and that is the root of the Lancashire/Greater Manchester/none-of-the-above problem for Blackley. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed reply. To your point, I have seen more than one article where editors keep changing the county and now I understand why. I hope you enjoy your weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 15:38, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

For biogs, we should go by sources. If reliable source X says "John Doe was born in Lancashire" and reliable source Y says "John Doe was born in Greater Manchester", it's difficult to avoid WP:NOR issues. But if they say "John Doe was born in Blackley, Lancashire" and "John Doe was born in Blackley, Greater Manchester" we can at least go by the common factor and write "John Doe was born in Blackley" which satisfies WP:V and WP:NPOV.

A significant part of pre-1974 Lancashire was lost to other counties: the pink bits in this map were part of Lancashire before 1974. Of these, the northern pink bit (which includes Ulverston, birthplace of Stan Laurel) was transferred to Cumbria; the western third of the southern pink bit was transferred to Merseyside, and the eastern two-thirds of the southern pink bit was transferred to Greater Manchester. Three other counties (Cheshire, Derbyshire and the West Riding of Yorkshire) also lost territory to Greater Manchester in 1974. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:04, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I always appreciate how much I learn from you. Your apple (the one with the face cut into it from The Eleventh Hour (Doctor Who)) is in the mail. Thanks again for your time. MarnetteD | Talk 16:19, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I just remembered that there was another bit of Lancashire that was lost in 1974: two towns in the southern pink bit (Warrington and Widnes) were transferred to Cheshire. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:30, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

LMR 600 Gordon

Thanks for your edit. What does "as of" in brackets do? Biscuittin (talk) 07:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

@Biscuittin: Visually, "{{As of|2005}}" looks like "As of 2005", so it might seem redundant to simply putting "As of 2005" as plain text (without the braces and pipe): but it also places the page into hidden Category:Articles containing potentially dated statements from 2005 (and also Category:All articles containing potentially dated statements). The purposes of these are described on the template page; on the cat pages; and at WP:DATED. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:26, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Biscuittin (talk) 15:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

not notable

I added The Absolution of ZERO Published by Neighborhood Publishing. Please remove the deletion tab — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mollybell (talk • contribs) 23:34, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

@Mollybell: Do you mean this edit? As noted in the edit summary, that was a WP:PROD. The linked page has information on what to do about it; specifically, WP:DEPROD. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:48, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thanxs for telling me how to place templates without showing the results of the templates! Cheers!-- Allied Rangoon‧talk 20:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	Much appreciate your assistance. Thanks! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:20, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

One useful thing I had on monobook was

addOnloadHook(function() {
  addPortletLink('p-cactions','http://reftag.appspot.com/','GB ref','ca-gb ref');
  });

I can't get it to work in cologne. Do you know how? If I could get it to link at the top in the blue strip next to MAIN PAGE ABOUT HELP. Also do you know how to show the FA and GA stars at the top of the page on cologne?♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:22, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Unfortunately, javascript is not one of my skills. I know enough to distinguish it from CSS, and much of the syntax is similar to C (which I do know). But that p-cactions is a nice clue, so I've used that to start with.

In Monobook skin, there's some HTML <div id="p-cactions" class="portlet" role="navigation">...</div> which encloses the tabs from "article" to "watch" inclusive; the id= here matches, so my guess is that your code adds another tab to that menu. Testing it in my .js file confirms that a tab marked "gb ref" is added. Cologne Blue doesn't have tabs, but the equivalent links occur in two (different) sets: one at the bottom, which don't seem to be easily modifiable, and those in the sidebar under both "Edit" (enclosed by <div class="portlet" id="p-cactions" role="navigation">...</div>) and "This page" (enclosed by <div class="portlet" id="p-pageoptions" role="navigation">...</div>). Notice that the first of these two has id="p-cactions" just like the MonoBook one. Testing, I find that the new link "GB ref" is added at the bottom of the "Edit" set, immediately above the heading "This page". I would say, therefore, that provided that you have added it to either User:Dr. Blofeld/cologneblue.js or to User:Dr. Blofeld/common.js (but not both), it should work without alteration.

FA and GA icons I don't know about, although I did notice their absence. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, it works now.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Regarding WP:VPT#Cologne Blue, where I put "The grey line isn't a grey line at all - it's a zero-height box with a grey border. When there is a Sitenotice or a CentralNotice, the box expands to accommodate the notice." - there's a CentralNotice up now, it's the one that says "Our Privacy Policy is changing on 6 June 2014. To learn more, click here." You should have found that this notice has caused the grey line to expand to a grey-bordered box; and since the CentralNotice also has a border, this produces a broadly-spaced double-border effect. I don't think that any harm will be caused by adding

#siteNotice { border: none; }

to User:Dr. Blofeld/cologneblue.css. This will suppress the outer grey border, and when there are no CentralNotices (or you have dismissed them), the grey line won't appear either. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:54, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks. One last thing, can "" be replaced with a similar grey line underneath the article titles?♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:51, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

There you go --Redrose64 (talk) 10:34, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Looks great! Recommend trying it with a DaunPenh font on Firefox!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Gatwick Airport station

G'day, according to the article, a new Platform 7 was opened at Gatwick station a couple of months back. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 10:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

In which case National Rail Enquiries are out of date. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:49, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Googling "Gatwick airport Platform 7" brings up heaps of news stories about the opening. I am on the other side of the world and am not really in a position to visit the station at the moment to check; all the flights to England have already left for the day :-) YSSYguy (talk) 10:53, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Higham railway station, Kent

Concerning your revision of my edit to the above on the grounds of "unsourced - privacy concerns":

I freely admit that my edit was unsourced and added on the spur of the moment. However, I'm not entirely certain how it constitutes a privacy concern, given that we're talking about Dicken's Swiss chalet, and that neither he nor it are living persons. At any rate, it is an undeniable fact that at some point after Dickens' death the chalet was moved from Gad's Hill to Eastgate House, Rochester where it resides to this day, although I do not know exactly when or by whom. I shall attempt to find a source for this information if I can fit it into my busy schedule of idleness. Thank you for your time. Lee M (talk) 01:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

@Lee M: It's a privacy concern because the implication is that it now stands on private land. We don't seem to have an article on Eastgate House, Rochester (or even Eastgate House), so it's probably not a public building, and its owners are almost certainly still alive. WP:BLP doesn't only apply to biographical articles. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:28, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I've started an article on the house in Rochester. The chalet was moved from Gad's Hill to the house site in the 1960s. Not sure @Leem M: why you would mention it in the railway article but it's in the source here. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:21, 8 May 2014 (UTC)