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no source on this page is reliable, it is all advertising as indicated by the wikipedia box at the top of the page, and the fact that each citation just links to quotes from the owners and other financially interested parties. critical information about the website exists in many forms - one of my sources was the independent, a british newspaper - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/asmallworld-nestl-heir-patrick-liotardvogt-a-jetrosexual-website-and-a-3m-dispute-9084223.html - what makes this less reliable than any other source cited?

Faceplant2020, I can and will help you to write a "controversies" section - but not with the current sources you have provided, as they are not suitable per WP:RS, and I think we can do better (the "The Independent" source is ok) - also, please stop your edit warring. No hard feelings! --IIIraute (talk) 04:34, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

IIIraute Sure, help me write it. No hard feeling, but I don't understand why you keep adding the fluff about the celebrities - which is linked to citation from a blog, and that doesn't mention any of the type of members listed on the wikipedia. I will keep deleting it because that is just advertising and has no cited basis from any source. Also the member card is linked to an advertising video, and the card is not claimed in that video to grant access to anything specific so it will be deleted. Please let me know what source you need to show that they promised all members a vacation (that was linked to a CNBC source which is actually cited elsewhere in the site, but that you left up. The fact that the hotel will not be full open until 2015 is cited across the internet, I don't know why the government website of the nation of St. Kitts is not acceptable, or travelocity, how else can you prove a hotel is not open? I will restore my change and you should feel free to edit them NOT DELETE them, to a manner you feel is consistent with wikipedia citing, please look at the the actual citations throughout that page. I think that in general they are not linking to any non-neutral independent sources, just to asmallworld company officials PR teams. I am curious to see what changes you will make. No hard feelings. Thanks! --Faceplant2020 (talk) 31 March 2014 (UTC)

IIIraute - I think most of the changes you just made are fine, I will let you know for a fact that there is no complimentary car service and the world's finest clubs membership now costs and additional $200. I have emails from asmallworld confirming these facts, how does one cite to emails from the company? Also, if you state that asmallworld complaints need citations, but complaint websites aren't good sources, what are? Just looking to do this in a professional way, thanks! (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 16:27, 8 April 2014 (UTC))

Mostlyoksorta, you can not use emails from the company as a source. Please hava a look at Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources. Keep in touch! --IIIraute (talk) 00:53, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

listen homie and by homie I mean IIIraute I'm not the one who blanks sections, deletes the most recent material, and I never said I have two accounts, I said I know another person I was working with. If you feel like spending your time propping up some semi-elitist internet scam, I sure hope your getting paid for it. I am glad you can also quote an elitist English order, congrats on your French. You are the best Sherlock Holmes on Misplaced Pages. So feel free to continue trying to delete a section on a Gender Discrimination case that is pending in a federal court. I am sure that helps you sleep at night. Just cause you are self proclaimed high wizard of wikipedia or whatever you think you are doesn't mean I haven't put up valid current sources of relevant material. So go back to playing with your magic want and quoting semi-extinct cults of England. (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 01:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mostlyoksorta (talk • contribs)

Whaddya think of the IP address spamming this page for asmallworld? As the nice neutral one maybe you can help clean it up? I think I'm worn out of battling about a stupid webpage :) (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 22:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC))

Mostlyoksorta, thank you for your message. Somehow the page disappeared from my watchlist. I'll keep an eye on it. --IIIraute (talk) 22:46, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry...

I'm sorry if I was rude to you yesterday. --Kutsuit (talk) 06:33, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

No hard feelings! --IIIraute (talk) 07:27, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Is it alright...

Hi there, IIIraute. When addressing you, is it alright if I called you "my dear"? An admin has told me not to address you like that. I just wanted to know if it's alright with you? It was in no way meant to be negative. I say it all the time to my friends, and I want us to be friends as well. :-) --Nadia (Kutsuit) (talk) 06:42, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

--Nadia (Kutsuit), I think we both know that this was not only about you, calling me "my dear". --IIIraute (talk) 18:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I know. Can we be friends though? --Nadia (Kutsuit) (talk) 07:55, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

"Wishing to be friends is quick work, but friendship is a slow ripening fruit."

The Grimm BLP

Please read the prior discussions about the FUCKING quotes and their presence in any BLP at Grimm and at BLP/N. Cheers, Collect (talk) 17:54, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Collect, I know - yet, you are still edit warring and in breach of 3RR (several times). Why not find a solution similar to that of the other quote; i.e. get rid of the expletive part, but retain content. --IIIraute (talk) 17:58, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Kindly note the "status quo ante" was exactly what I was restoring and which gave consensus version of the material as previously discussed t BLP/N and the article talk page. -- Nomo made the "bold" edit, not I. Also note that I am at 3RR -- only if you count the edit which was "not utile" saying he was succeeded in Congress by Charles Rangel. Cheers. Collect (talk) 18:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

No, Collect, you did remove the content first Also: "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert." --IIIraute (talk) 18:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

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DRNs "Angela Merkel" and "asmallworld"

Hi, I am a DRN volunteer. Do you have a brief summary of your position for the following disputes:

• Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Angela Merkel see DRN: Summary of dispute by IIIraute
• Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard#asmallworld see DRN: Summary of dispute by IIIraute

--Bejnar (talk) 20:26, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I am a DRN volunteer. Discussion at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard#asmallworld discussion is now open. Please respond to my question. --Bejnar (talk) 16:49, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Bejnar, I would like to reply, but DRN is now closed? Looking at the result, does that mean that I am allowed to reinsert the "invitation only" part that was removed from the first sentence of the lead? --IIIraute (talk) 19:59, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

No. That means that you were correct that it is by invitation only, but that it does not belong in the first sentence of the lead. Take a look at the current "Member-vetting process" section and see what you think. Also the two paragraphs that were deleted for lack of verification can be restored if a reliable source is available. If the information is non-controversial, a cite to organizational materials can be sufficient. See Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources#Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves. If there is a dispute about a source for a particular piece of info, it can be vetted at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. --Bejnar (talk) 22:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Bejnar, although you just confirmed "that it is by invitation only", and the article does state "To join, one must receive an invitation from an existing member, or an invitation from from the governing board after filing an application to be considered for membership", and there are reliable sources, auch as the company itself, two books that were published in 2014, and a New York Post article from 23. April 2014, that do state that the network is "invitation-only" - see:

Melanie Chan, Virtual Reality: Representations in Contemporary Media, A & C Black, 2014, p. 91

Felicia A. Huppert,Cary L. Cooper, Wellbeing: A Complete Reference Guide, Interventions and Policies to Enhance Wellbeing, John Wiley & Sons, 2014, p. 523,

I am not "allowed" to reinsert the "invitation-only" part to the lead? Why did you close the DRN 2 1/2 hours after you did notify me to respond to your question.

I am referring to the "invitation-only" in the first sentence, that was removed: "ASMALLWORLD (ASW) is a paid-subscription invitation-only social network, which relaunched in the spring of 2013 as a private international travel and social club, with a peer-recommended and verified user base capped membership at 250,000 members." What's wrong with this sentence?--IIIraute (talk) 23:06, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Nothing is wrong with that sentence, the problem is that it gives it undue emphasis, which the compromise sentence does not. There is no need for the use of the term "invitation-only" in the lead. "Exclusive" is a fine term and gives the reader a good understanding of the nature of the social network. The term "invitation-only" obviously misleads some readers. And the issue is fully covered by the compromise sentence in the text, which avoids the confusion problem. --Bejnar (talk) 16:05, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Bejnar, it does not give undue emphasis - it just states what it is - and the word "exclusive" also isn't used in the lead yet. The user who want's the "invitation only" removed has failed to provide a single source that does not involve WP:OR, or WP:SYNTH claims; telling me I am not "allowed" to use pre-October 2013 WP:RS, because of some facebook posting, that actually isn't an acceptable source. Why don't you have a look at some more sources that were published since October 2013:

The New York Times: "The invitation-only site..."

The Hindu: "Sabine Heller is the CEO of the by-invitation-only social community A Small World (ASW)."

New York Post: "ASMALLWORLD, an invitation-only site for business people and socialites..."

Business Standard: "...by invitation-only online community A Small World (ASW)"

Grazia: "As an invitation only site, their member-vetted community..." --IIIraute (talk) 18:40, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• The point is that membership is by invitation only and that those words do not mean the same thing to everyone, hence the more involved presentation. I suggested the use of the word "exclusive" as more descriptive, and less subject to nikpicking and confusion. Arguing with each other about sources does not appear to be helpful. Think about why the reader might be confused, and what would help him. Don't think that you have to have any particular wording. Just wording that you and others can live with, albeit not perfect. --Bejnar (talk) 06:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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