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:: ps: I looked myself again, and found eight where I missed. I was learning: 1 in 2014, all the others in 2012. Only one of them is not at least an admin (3), if not bureaucrat (1) or arb (3), what does it tell us? --] (]) 11:41, 17 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: ps: I looked myself again, and found eight where I missed. I was learning: 1 in 2014, all the others in 2012. Only one of them is not at least an admin (3), if not bureaucrat (1) or arb (3), what does it tell us? --] (]) 11:41, 17 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: ps II: the one applied for being an admin, I didn't support because of the asterisk. --] (]) 10:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: ps II: the one applied for being an admin, I didn't support because of the asterisk. --] (]) 10:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Floquenbeam, I wanted to take a moment to personally address you. Right there is the salient point; personally. Over the years, I have become aware of a number of failings of ArbCom as ''a body''. There are serious issues which plague it to this day. From ] to variable involvement to broken procedures to failure to abide by ArbCom policy; the problems are deep and extensive. I have pointed out these failings on a number of occasions, trying to effect change within the system. Occasionally, I have had some success. I do not feel the problems that plague ArbCom are descendant from a subset of members of ArbCom, or from the personal behavior of ArbCom members even as a whole. As such, rare has the occasion arisen that I have taken issue with any particular member of ArbCom, and most certainly never without specific supporting evidence. Never have I commented on you personally. I did not call your ethics into question nor in any shape or form question your honesty in the sub-thread I started on ]. Allow me an analogy; one can find Congress as a whole to be problematic while still holding a given representative or senator in high regard. In that sub-thread, I felt it had to be made clear that ArbCom was not involved. As I noted, ArbCom acting as a body can have members within it that disagree with a particular action. We see this all the time in case remedies. Had ArbCom acted as a body to contact Kumioko's employer, there is plenty of room for any given member of ArbCom to have opposed the decision. Had ArbCom done so, I certainly would find fault with ArbCom's ethics. I can do so without commenting on any particular member. ArbCom has made it clear both recently and many times in the past that members of the committee can and do act without representing ArbCom. This allows a person to be critical of a person's actions without being critical of ArbCom. Similarly and in reverse, a person can be critical of actions taken by ArbCom without being critical of a particular member of ArbCom. In this case, I am not being critical of ArbCom; I was simply asking for ArbCom to confirm or deny this was a decision taken by ArbCom. I remember , and I do hold you in high regard. All the best, --] (]) 14:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC) |
Floquenbeam, I wanted to take a moment to personally address you. Right there is the salient point; personally. Over the years, I have become aware of a number of failings of ArbCom as a body. There are serious issues which plague it to this day. From case naming bias to variable involvement to broken procedures to failure to abide by ArbCom policy; the problems are deep and extensive. I have pointed out these failings on a number of occasions, trying to effect change within the system. Occasionally, I have had some success. I do not feel the problems that plague ArbCom are descendant from a subset of members of ArbCom, or from the personal behavior of ArbCom members even as a whole. As such, rare has the occasion arisen that I have taken issue with any particular member of ArbCom, and most certainly never without specific supporting evidence. Never have I commented on you personally. I did not call your ethics into question nor in any shape or form question your honesty in the sub-thread I started on WT:AC. Allow me an analogy; one can find Congress as a whole to be problematic while still holding a given representative or senator in high regard. In that sub-thread, I felt it had to be made clear that ArbCom was not involved. As I noted, ArbCom acting as a body can have members within it that disagree with a particular action. We see this all the time in case remedies. Had ArbCom acted as a body to contact Kumioko's employer, there is plenty of room for any given member of ArbCom to have opposed the decision. Had ArbCom done so, I certainly would find fault with ArbCom's ethics. I can do so without commenting on any particular member. ArbCom has made it clear both recently and many times in the past that members of the committee can and do act without representing ArbCom. This allows a person to be critical of a person's actions without being critical of ArbCom. Similarly and in reverse, a person can be critical of actions taken by ArbCom without being critical of a particular member of ArbCom. In this case, I am not being critical of ArbCom; I was simply asking for ArbCom to confirm or deny this was a decision taken by ArbCom. I remember this, and I do hold you in high regard. All the best, --Hammersoft (talk) 14:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
