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More Prof-essional moans

Re User talk:Launchballer#"Rakesh biswas"PAGE REVIEW: Leprof 7272 has been moaning about comments of mine, in particular my response to the above request. Please tell me if my comments towards Biswas could be considered as incivil/undiplomatic.--Launchballer 18:46, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, proper procedure is not for you to choose an Admin — certainly not a friendly Admin, and here, one with as many civility issues as you—to sit in adjudication over this issue. In fact, I think you are both specifically prohibited from this sort of politicking (esp. the Admin). Am I not correct? No, I will elevate it, thank you. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 20:53, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

• LeProf, what are you waffling about? Was anybody suggesting a choice of admin? I was suggesting that you should report me to the same admin (of your choice) for the same offence. The IP address suffered a worse fate at my end - this message was summarily deleted without any reply.

Launchballer, I had seen the moan and decided to ignore it. You would have been well to do the same. Anything you say to this woman is liable to result in a wall such as this incredible 11k byte essay. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:02, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Two notes, and then I am away: First, your use of the asterisk within your talk is your right, I imagine, but it is confusing to outsiders, and confuses dialogs where there are a series of responses. But do as you wish there; I only ever change such things to make the progression of the discussion clearer, not to exert unwarranted control (which is yours, here). Second, your using gender specific pronouns makes you appear ignorant and possibly sexist. The former said because the Fr "le" with this noun is masculine but gender neutral (both male and female Prof most often take the "le", with exceptions possibly in Francophone Canada); hence, the presupposition should be at best, gender indeterminate based on the "le". The sexism will be perceived based on the overall tone of your response, even if it is misperceived. Otherwise, I cannot plead guilty of your "she" accusation, and you misspelled liable. What an editor/admin you are, mdr. Cheers. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:21, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

• I am always keen to make it clear who is talking, thus if someone had left a message such as this on my user_talk page, I would have slapped an {{unsigned}} tag on it instantly but you clearly prefer to leave things unclear. My apologies, I accept that you are not female. When being written about in the third person are you "he/him" or "they/them"? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:40, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

What the Scabeba matter has to do with anything I said is a neurological leap that these tee-totaling neurons are unable to make. Scabeba, a female, failed to sign. I, Leprof, failed to take her to task for not doing so. This relates to my point re: your confusing use of asterisks rather than :'s in your Talk, how? Or re: your mis-assignment of my gender, how? This is side-achingly humourous. But perhaps, as from start ("'Self-regenerated' - utter nonsense") to middle ("what are you waffling about") to finish ("Prof-essional moans"), you simply aim again to insult via humor before an admiring audience, and I am missing it. Some might say that persistence in trying to insult others (whether successful, or in this case, failing) would be unbecoming an administrator at Misplaced Pages. I could not possibly comment. (Here.) Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 22:08, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Ahae

Howdy, I intervened in a page you nominated for deletion, Ahae. The page as it was seems like it was plain PR written by his employees or followers (or both). Ahae is the alter-ego of a religious sect leader and corrupt businessman who is on the run from the Korean authorities for his role in the sinking of the MV Sewol. He is very, very notable, though not for the reasons the article was created. I have added external news sources (I went overboard on number of citations to play it safe), and I interlinked this page to pages on the ferry disaster as well as his religious sect. I believe this addresses all your concerns. It also means this page might need additional monitoring for the next while as this issue continues. Thanks for your work. Junganghansik (talk) 04:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• So why have you left the {{prod}} tag in place? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Other people want to delete it still. I'm not sure why. Junganghansik (talk) 08:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Infobox island(s)

Please reconsider this. Infoboxes are named in the singular; see {{Infobox person}}, {{Infobox building}}, {{Infobox book}}, {{Infobox park}}, {{Infobox event}} and thousands of others in Misplaced Pages:List of infoboxes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:52, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• Feel free to re-instate the speedy tag. I will stand back and see what another admin thinks. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For patrolling new pages. Btw another deletion required here. Thank you. Jim Carter 12:31, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Copyvio recreation

I noticed a new copyvio article and put a notification at the user's talk. Searching showed that very similar material had previously been reported at another user's talk.

The article I reported was speedy deleted, but was recreated at Water Supply Projects in Kurdistan, and it appears that you moved that to Water supply projects in Kurdistan. The lead of that article is a copyvio of this, and the body is a copyvio of this. I don't know the best way to handle the situation now, and am hoping you will take any necessary action. Johnuniq (talk) 02:18, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• So why talk to me? What was preventing you slapping {{copyvio}} tag/s on the article? But you can redeem yourself: please check ground water in Iraqi Kurdistan and hydrography of Iraqi Kurdistan and apply copyvio tags if appropriate. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:00, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for what you have done. The reason I raised it with you is that I expected that the page would be created a third time if I requested a speedy of the second version. I cannot find the source of Ground water in Iraqi Kurdistan. Except for the "following Rivers and Lake" list, the content of Hydrography of Iraqi Kurdistan is from Kurdistan#Rivers. There is no good way to handle cases like this unfortunately. Johnuniq (talk) 06:55, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

• "No good way"! There is a good way - and again it has been done for you. In the case of text copied from another Misplaced Pages article, you simply delete it and replace with a link to the source article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

recent deletion -- how to retrieve content

Hi RHaworth,

I understand there was a copyright infringement on the page I had written for submission here: User:Slsw9/sandbox. I believe you deleted it. Is there anyway I can retrieve the content (most of which was not a copyright infringement) to reconstruct the article? Also, is content is quoted, properly cited, and copyrighted under the creative commons, I still cannot use it? Or do I do one of these things incorrectly? Is there anyway to share a quote, for example of a vision statement which cannot be paraphrased to be properly recounted? Thanks for the help, I'm very new to this. Slsw9 (talk) 04:06, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• The problem is not so much copyvio as style-vio. An organisation's web site is rarely written in encyclopedic style. "Vision statements" are usually pretty trite. And if that was not bad enough, you insist on giving us not only their vision but lists of "mission", "goals" and "challenges" all equally trite. In short it needs a complete re-write from scratch. Text emailed but only try and re-submit if you have no COI. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Got it -- thank you for explaining the issue so clearly. I'll work on it now and resubmit. Slsw9 (talk) 14:34, 21 May 2014 (UTC)Slsw9

Curtain Connection Entertainment

Sir, kindly tell me the reason because of which you deleted Curtain Connection Entertainment. Thanks and regards, Shrishty — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrishjind (talk • contribs) 15:46, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. Alternatively, contact Leprof 7272 (talk · contribs) and ask him to create an article for you. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Property management business models

This is not a 100 % fork. Can we smerge it? Bearian (talk) 17:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• I have no idea what smerge means. Obtain consensus at talk:property management business models. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

It means selective merge - that is, merge back some material and the citations. I started a discussion instead at Talk:Property management#Merger of Property management business models. Bearian (talk) 20:47, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Reproduction of text on King Alfred's Tower

Hi, Back in Nov 2007 you dealt with a copyright issue on King Alfred's Tower. You put a note on Talk:King Alfred's Tower saying it was OK to use text from http://www.alfredstower.info/. I think this was before OTRS was invented. I have since done some work on the article & recently nominated it at GAN. In responding to reviewers comments about further references being needed I found one and a half paragraphs of text were the same as the source site. I have rephrased most of it but there is still one sentence which is still the same. The reviewer is new to GAN and it would be great to have another pair of eyes to check everything is within the rules.— Rod 19:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• What has OTRS got to do with it? Has anyone complained about copyvios on this page? I never get involved with good article review but at a cursory glance it looks OK. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I thought that was now the system wikipedia uses to handle copyright permissions for text etc - ignore it if not. No one has complained I'm just trying to make sure we are doing everything correctly.— Rod 20:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox island

I deleted this to make way for the page move, but had to revert myself after I could not fix all the redirects, see here. Bearian (talk) 20:42, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• I don't understand. What redirects are you talking about?. Your WhatLinksHere link shows the 40 or so articles which would benefit of your proposed move. What do you propose to do about the 4000 or so pages that use template:infobox islands and will have to access the template via a redirect if your proposed move is done? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:16, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I assume

…that my being notified about the following matter was a mistake? See , which appeared in my notifications. If I have mis-checked something to bring such to my attention, please let me know and correct. If you have some clever mechanism as an admin to call things unnecessary items to my attention, please, desist. Thank you in either case, in advance, for your courtesy. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 20:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Definition of a Practice Manager

Hi, You deleted an article I wrote on the definition of a Practice Manager from my sandbox. My assistant and I were trying to find out what additional references were needed for this article to qualify for notability. Could you please return this article to the sandbox and advise me what is needed for it to be accepted? thank you.AM10001 (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• It is not just a matter of refs, it is one of copyvio. What is required is for someone with no COI to write the article from scratch in their own words. Text emailed. Why had you duplicated it? And please note that <br/> is not usually needed in articles. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

The Knowledge Centre for Agriculture Deletion

Global account problem

A few days ago, I requested to change my username from FSCEM45212 (talk · contribs) to Asadwarraich. Username was changed but I have a problem. My account with new username 'Asadwarraich' does not work anywhere else except English Misplaced Pages; it is active on only English Misplaced Pages. Why does this happen? Do I have to request to change my username on other Wikimedia projects? --Asadwarraich (talk) 06:45, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Try WP:VPT.--Launchballer 11:18, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

• Why ask me? Would it not be better to ask Xeno (talk · contribs) who did the rename? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:51, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay! --Asadwarraich (talk) 14:59, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

BlueMountain.com

Hi There- I would like to contest the deletion of the BlueMountain.com page. It was created and deleted on 5/13 for A7: Article about a website, blog, web forum, webcomic, podcast, browser game, or similar web content, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. Though it is a website, it is one of the earliest and most popular ecard sites that helped shape the early internet. I felt I adequately cited both with internal sources, like the e-cards page and reputable and notable external sources for every fact stated. I'm hoping that you will either reconsider the deletion or give some guidance as to what types of edits/rewrite would make the article meet the necessary requirements. I used to have a different Misplaced Pages account sometime ago but I am trying to start fresh, so any help would be appreciated! Lgrabowski (talk) 12:23, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

• Whispering (talk · contribs) felt the references were not good enough. Feel free to raise the matter at deletion review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:51, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Elsa Cladera de Bravo

Dear Sir, I am very surprised to learn that you have deleted my page about Elsa Cladera de Bravo. I most surely consider her efforts worth mentioning on Misplaced Pages. Please inform me about all necessary details that have to be taken into consideration in order to allow her a page on Misplaced Pages. Yours sincerely, Nadezhda Bravo Cladera Nadezhda Bravo Cladera (talk) 14:52, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

• Over a nine month (!) period you maintained parallel copies of the text at User:Nadezhda Bravo Cladera and Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Elsa Cladera de Bravo. Please explain why. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:51, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Activate Learning

I don't feel strongly about it but this looked like a valid article subject based on their website. If I created a stub would you delete it? Philafrenzy (talk) 22:33, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

• Please learn to provide links. If you were to create an unreferenced stub in mainspace, then it should be deleted! Perhaps I was biased - I am a Cambridge graduate and had just come back from a trip to Cambridge when I deleted it. A syndrome we see from time to time - a perfectly good article gets turned spammy and gets deleted, in this case twice. Restored and reverted. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Preference is not the issue; policy is

When you put "unspeedy - Category:Ethnic groups in Papua New Guinea definitely prefers "... people")" in your edit comment on Baruya, are you speaking for WikiProject Papua New Guinea and some local convention with such usages in Papua New Guinea media, or are you speaking for yourself? For "Baruya" that is not the ethnic group, then it should not have disambiguation, which is in fact the by-far more common state of ethno articles, and is what is in line with actual policy and guidelines. The wording of your edit comment is strange; categories are inanimate abstracts and do not have "preferences". Editors do, but editors often vary from policy/guidelines based on personal preference rather than most-common-usage and primarytopic issues.Skookum1 (talk) 12:06, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

• Please do not shout. If you are talking about Misplaced Pages policies, then refer to them properly using piped links - like this. There is another issue: consistency. Why have you picked on an handful of articles and proposed moves for them? Please reply. Do the job properly: go to Requested Moves and request moves for every "… people" article in Category:Indigenous peoples of South Asia, Category:Ethnic groups in Papua New Guinea, Category:Indigenous ethnic groups in Western New Guinea and probably several other similar categories. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

"Shout?" If you are not familiar with the use of capital letters without constant piping, and want to make a fuss about that triviality and make an accusation in response is totally AGF, as was your removal of a db to bring said articles into conformity with TITLE. As I'd suspected, they were moved by the author of the passage added to NCL in 2011 that made sweeping, non-conforming changes to the nature of ethnic group articles even though it is not an ethnic group guideline and affected, as its author puts it in resisting reversions of them and also reforms to his self-authored passage at NCL, "thousands of articles", not a "handful of articles". Well over 80 have been reversed by RM already, and I was advised that the policy-driven nature of the moves in question, which are often only redirects an in direct contravention of WP:CONCISENESS and WP:PRECISION (there, I piped them, happy now??) and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (piped again) and WP:NCDAB (also piped). I had requested moves for every (well, nearly every) North American and Central American/Caribbean people; 90% were consensus moved on the basis of the policies and guidelines you are so upset I didn't pipe. Among them, 100% that were redirects to themselves were reverted to their original standalone titles. Such redirects should not exist.

In light of that, using technical requests/db-moves was advised to me as being the more straightforward course rather than subject the titles to the discussion boards, where opinions are fielded by people who don't know or care about what the all-capped policies/guidelines are. I have been putting db-moves only on titles that are redirects back to themselves...which if you looked at their history of the redirects, were moved "per lang vs naming convention" or "To match naming convention of other ethnic group specific articles". but in 2011 there was no naming convention for ethnic groups (WP:NCET) was not set up until 2012, after some discussions on WP:NCP. Requested moves are going to be necessary for the WP:TWODAB pages created by one of those movers (the author of the passage of WP:NCL in question, which guideline under review to bring it into line with TITLE etc, despite filibustering by the same editor to prevent it and advance his own preferences against policy). Among these are Iatmul and Telfol, the latter having been moved to Telefol people by "to match naming convention of other ethnic group specific articles", even though in 2011, when that move was made, WP:NCET did not exist yet and NCL, though revised, still did not have "authority" to override WP:TITLE etc.

So the light on your edit comment re "preferred by Category:Ethnic groups in Papua New Guinea" turns out to be as preferred by the author of NCL, and those who followed in him in applying his preference and claim that "languages and peoples are equally primary topics", which has no substance in googlesearches, view stats etc, as was shown time and again in the RMs that you apparently were not aware of. That it looks like it's "preferred" in the category as a result of those one-guideline mis-moves is incidental, and is not a preference of the category. The only things that should have dabs are things that have real dab situations, e.g. Huli people vs Huli. North/Central America, the Caribbean, Australia and some of Oceania at this point, have now been reverted to their original titles; near-invariably they'd have "people" added in 2011 by....the usual suspect, or in the name of the guideline he revised to advance his own preferences over policy.Skookum1 (talk) 16:51, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

I hadn't gotten to Category:South Asia yet; "thousands of articles" were moved without discussion to unncessary dabs with only redirects to themselves; there's only so much time in a wiki-day.Skookum1 (talk) 16:53, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

• Oh dear, I hoped that LeProf 7272 had gone away but … No. the links you give are not piped links. Please read this (that is a piped link). Can you see the difference between WP:MWOT (not piped) and wall of text (piped)? As to "… people", all I need is a link to a page where the matter has been discussed and there is a clear consensus. But I shall stand back and not touch any further requests you make. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:09, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

"Oh dear", somebody else who has reading problems re so-called "walls of text" and uses that plus technical quibbles about what is and isn't a pipe instead of addressing the guidelines/policies at issue. Ho-hum, please, yes, do not remove any further technical-move based on policy that I make, instead of removing it by talking about a bad, anti-policy usage being "preferred" on a particular category; As for a link to a page where the matter has been discussed, Talk:Northern_Tutchone#Requested move per Cuchullain's close there will do, and 80 others by him, BDD and Xoloz, all saying the same thing, many more explicitly; the people are the PRIMARYTOPIC. Oh, sorry not to pipe that but I don't have time to pander to someone who wants me to do more typing than necessary to meet their particular demands about what is and isn't a pipe and who, even though knowing what I was referring to, made a point of saying "please do not shout" as if I had (which you know well I was not). Which is partly the whole point with unnecessary dabs; why have to type ] when plain old ] will do just fine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skookum1 (talk • contribs)

Project Hydra

Hi, I have received notification that you deleted my proposed page "Hydra Project" for copyright violation of projecthydra.org. Foolishly I was unaware that wholesale deletion could occur, rather I had assumed that I would be asked to modify anything that you found unacceptable, thus I had not taken a full copy of the page. Whilst I have most of the article text I do not have the references (etc) sections from the bottom.

I am actually the webmaster of projecthydra.org (as well as a founder member of the project) and wrote a great deal of the site content. Under these circumstances, I wonder if you would be prepared to return me a full copy of the text and possibly also indicate how, given that the website is CC-BY-SA, I might avoid the copyright challenge. Misplaced Pages's CV page seems to suggest that it should be possible? — Richard Green 12:27, 22 May 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardatthenook (talk • contribs)

• Text emailed but kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your project is notable and writes about it here. What is more, these EU framework projects seem to have built in non-notability - see this list. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your response to my request to return the deleted page text for my submission Hydra Project. I was at first confused by your reference to EU Framework projects but on checking your email more closely I find that the text you have returned, seemingly deleted in 2008, refers to an older Hydra Project. The Hydra Project I was describing is a transatlantic cooperation offering an open source digital repository solution. The page was deleted in the last few days. I'd be really grateful to have the correct text returned. Thanks. Richard Green 08:44, 23 May 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardatthenook (talk • contribs)

• If you had said that you could not remember the exact title of the page you had been editing, I would have accepted it without comment. But to actually provide a link to a page that you have never edited is simply mind-boggling. I have now emailed Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Hydra Project. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:10, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Draft talk:Climate Summit 2014

Can I ask why you removed the speedy tag from Draft talk:Climate Summit 2014? It was created as the result of an unauthorized user accepting an AfC submission, which then had to be unacccepted. When someone re-accepts it, the script will automatically create a new one, with the right information in the WikiProject AfC box (etc.), and I'm worried that it might get confused if there's one already there. — Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:38, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

• I am still trying to understand the rules of the draft: namespace. If you think the article is not allowed the tags, then re-instate the speedy tag. I will do nothing. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Daniel Real Iain Christopher Postlethwaite

I was doing new page patrol and came upon this gem Daniel Real Iain Christopher Postlethwaite. I don't even know what to do with it or if there is even a CSD category I can put it in. So, I thought I'd ask a admin that I react with on a fairly regular basis. Whispering 18:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

• A7 was a perfectly good category. By a spooky co-incidence, at the very moment your message arrived I was looking in my watchlist at two previous manifestations of this kid (born 1993-03-27). See User talk:Daniel Postlethwaite#Socks. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of Draft:Creative Mobile

Draft:Creative Mobile (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of several sources, see comments). Hi There, I got notice that my Draft page for 'Creative Mobile' was rejected and deleted. I can't see the comments made or access the deleted page, I'd like to recover the text so I can bring it into my sandbox. Also if you can give some feedback about why it was deleted, thanks. CM_Scruffy (talk) 23 May 2014

• Feed back as to why it was deleted? Which of the words "unambiguous copyright infringement" do you not understand? I can email you the text - read this - but kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:10, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Please be more specific with your feedback. What part of the text was copyright infringement? I will add my e-mail to my profile so you can send me back the text. Thanks! CM_Scruffy (talk) 23 May 2014

• Text now emailed. Comments in that text point to two copyvio sources. You may get constructive suggestions from Joe Decker (talk · contribs). I think you are just a spammer. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I received your e-mail. I'm not a spammer, just new to Misplaced Pages. I'll work on the article more in my sandbox and get some further feedback. take it easy bro! CM_Scruffy (talk) 23 May 2014 — Preceding undated comment added 10:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• "Not a spammer" - what does the CM in your user name stand for? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

That would be the initals of my real name :) CM_Scruffy (talk) 23 May 2014 — Preceding undated comment added 12:06, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

CM, first, congratulations on your recent hiring on by Creative Mobile as a "social content advisor" on February 17 of this year.

Our policies may say that we WP:AGF, but that allows us to Trust, but verify, and your denial of what CM stands for now sticks out like a sore thumb as an indication of your intent to try and game our system.

CM, I found cut and pastes from multiple sources before I stopped looking, e.g., https://www.linkedin.com/company/creative-mobile-o- and http://www.ign.com/games/digger-hd/ps3-14354307. Please don't do that. Write in your own words, only. If, in asking this, you are suggesting you wrote the article by yourself and copied nothing, you are insulting my intelligence. If you are suggesting that you copied and pasted it but didn't understand the warnings that appear above and below every editing bar, well, I would not stoop to insult your intelligence in such a manner.

I have salted the Creative Mobile title so that it may now only be created by an administrator. You can still create drafts, of course, but they won't be made full Misplaced Pages articles until they've been reviewed.

If you continue to attempt to game our system you will be blocked from editing.

Best regards, --j⚛e decker 16:12, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Decker has been very generous in metering out nothing more than a warning, because this makes my blood boil. If you must bring your WP:COI to Misplaced Pages, have the decency to admit it.--Launchballer 16:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Patient Safety Authority

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Deletion of Melexis

I'm disappointed to find the entry for Melexis has been deleted (1 day before I looked it up!). I don't see why a company should be of no interest (only educational institutions are interesting, apparently). Of course, the article needs to be more than a press release, but if it only starts at that it may become more interesting later. I came looking here because I've seen the company name on a couple of interesting sensors recently and wondered if they were a resurrection of another, better known company. An odd aspect of today's corporate life seems to be that some companies spend millions on brand awareness and others rename themselves and throw it all away (Infineon, Freescale, Agilent ..) Sorry this is anonymous. I can't remember my account details and I don't see that my identity is important (FWIW, I have no connection with Melexis) 89.206.255.82 (talk) 16:45, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Please add your comments to the bottom of this page. Melexis wasn't deleted because it was uninteresting, it was deleted because the article failed to indicate why it was important or significant - as the deletion log explicitly stated.

I can tell you exactly why your identity is important: How do you expect the content to be eMailed to you? Read this.--Launchballer 16:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• The article had been around for 6½ years. How come that in that time no-one had managed to add even one independent reference? If you are prepared to create a new article, I will happily send you the text (subject to Launchballer's comment). You could follow this advice for finding a possible new author. Failing that you will have to be satisfied with listing it in the appropriate requested articles list. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:24, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Paul Julian (meteorologist)

Dear Roger: Can you take a look at the history of this draft? And its talk page? Strangely, when you moved it, it doubled in size. Was there something else happening here? The editor who created it is complaining that his draft was declined with 16 references, but the declining reviewer is saying there were only three, and yet I can't find an edit where he added the other thirteen. — Anne Delong (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• This dif. looks like the addition of thirteen references. There is some confusion because the present state is a merge of Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation/Paul Julian (Meteorologist) (note, wrong namespace) and Draft:Paul Julian (meteorologist) both of which Le Prof had been editing. (I am not even sure that the 23 May decline message is based on the text to which it is now attached - I merely copied it in to ensure that the article remains in the AfC category.) I cannot bear to look at the talk page, it is just a typical load of wall of text waffle in which Le Prof specialises. Simply tell The Prof to add decent independent references and a {{submit}} tag. (And please don't mention my name! If he cannot see me in the edit history, then we keep quiet or I will get another wall of text.) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:51, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Anna maree manciet

Hi, I wanted to know what would be required to satisfy A7 "proving importance/significance". I created the page Anna maree manciet for the person herself and within the article is the info that states she is a professional gamer and employee of Dell Inc. Her employer actually asked for the page to be made so that when anybody sees her creating content, such as videos, for their company that they can find a wiki page for her. I realize the page is highly incomplete, but I only published it to allow Anna Manciet herself to see what I helped her create, upon her request, and so that she can edit herself as well. — Icepheonix5 (talk) 08:58, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

• Double COI! Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks this woman is notable and writes about her here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:07, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

That thing they did after voyager

Thanks for deleting it – I guess you looked at the RfD. I am not an admin but seemed to have consensus and we have a backlog there so uncontensted ones I am doing a bit of the usual gnoming. What category should I have put it in though – nothing seemed quite to fit? Si Trew (talk) 09:35, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

• Why should I look at the RfD? It was clearly a speedy candidate. I was happy to accept your WP:G2, test page tag - it is a useful catch-all! I would also have accepted WP:R3, implausible redirect but some pedantic admins might have pointed out that R3 includes a "recent" condition and this redirect was created on 2013-01-29. Also, the page is receiving a tiny amount of traffic coming from this at cyclopaedia and similar. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:51, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the hard work. 舎利弗 (talk) 10:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Petrus Henrici Barchæus

Hello,

If you have a chance, would you mind looking at Petrus Henrici Barchæus? It's the last in a string of articles about vicars of the Gunnilbo parish that you worked on last night. It appears to be much the same as the others, nothing particularly notable about the individual. Thanks so much!--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Prod of ground water in Iraqi Kurdistan

Ground water in Iraqi Kurdistan has 1-2 references. You may want to check if they are enough or not. My question is, if the prod template is still necessary. If it is, explain. If not, use other PROD or Afd. OccultZone (Talk) 04:48, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

• I think the prod is still necessary because nothing has changed since I applied it. Also the article is almost certainly a copyvio. What on earth do you mean by "use other prod"? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:19, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Jabari Parker

Wasn't the consensus to delete Jabari Parker's high school career and not redirect it to the main page? ~EDDY ~ 16:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

• True. I was thinking of the relatively high levels of page accesses. But if you ask me again, I shall delete and salt. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:03, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I think most of that has to do with the AfD, so please delete. Also, what does "salt" mean? ~EDDY ~ 18:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

• Salt means protect as in salting the earth, ie. make it impossible for a new article to grow on that title. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:12, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Caiden Cowger

I am unsure as to why you have decided to delete my Caiden Cowger page. I was told previously, that in the future, Cowger might eventually be eligible to be added to Misplaced Pages. This person is now a popular businessman in West Virginia, and a radio host for Clear Channel. Please reconsider your decision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DailyConservatism (talk • contribs)

I would not have minded if no link was provided, because then you could have justified ignorance - but to add a link to the wrong article? Please remember to sign and put your message in the right place. Perhaps the most galling thing of all is that you clicked 'edit' on the section that contained the message. As the page was deleted via AfD no single administrator can undelete it.--Launchballer 21:17, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

• I am very dubious as to whether you have become sufficiently notable for Misplaced Pages since the AfD discussion closed with an unanimous "delete" decision on 2013 Dec 31. But in any case when you do become notable, writing of the article should be left to someone with no COI. (Launchballer, I don't understand at all what your "most galling thing" is. Certainly I find blanking the AfD discussion not so much galling as downright childish.) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:51, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

What annoyed me is that when Cowger added the message, he clicked 'edit' on the section that contained the 'wikify!' box. I had to move the message to the bottom of the page.--Launchballer 21:55, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

• OK, all you are saying is that he put the message in the wrong place. It is more likely he used whole article edit because a) section edit generates an automatick edit summary including a → link and b) if he clicked on the edit link beside the Archives section header, he would have been taken to a different page!

DailyConservatism, another hurdle that you would need to overcome to get an article in here is that Misplaced Pages is run by a cabal of liberals. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:21, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I never noticed that! Is it worth putting up a page notice like this one I have?--Launchballer 22:46, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Then instead of deleting an article, why not just notify that it needs a correction? What difference does it make if Mr. Cowger is a conservative or not? He is popular, and it worthy to be added to Misplaced Pages. What steps would I need to go through to re-submit it and add more sources and fixing the problem. It appears that it has been locked, and I am unable to create a revision.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DailyConservatism (talk • contribs)

Personally, I believe that I am finished with Misplaced Pages. I will suggest that you at least unblock the article from being recreated, because sometime in the near future, it may be very well unavoidable for Misplaced Pages not to include an article about this individual. I am not sure if you are familiar with Clear Channel, but it is the largest broadcasting service in the United States. Some of the most popular radio hosts, such as: Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Sean Hannity work for Clear Channel, and now Cowger does too. It appears to me that this decision was made on the basis of his political ideology. Though I personally don't agree with everything he says, he is still popular and worthy to be on Misplaced Pages.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DailyConservatism (talk • contribs)

• The reference to cabal was a joke. I have never seen the term "unavoidable" used before. When the matter does become unavoidable, then the article will need to go through a deletion review process but if the decision is to create a new article then unprotection will be unavoidable and uncontroversial. (Launchballer, I will think about transferring my "Wikify!" box to an edit notice.) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:27, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Jabari Parker's high school career

Re Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jabari Parker's high school career (2nd nomination): I am trying to understand whether I don't understand WP:G4, whether you were too lazy to understand the original AFD, and whether G4 applied. On what basis did G4 apply in this case?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:53, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

P.S. I have read "This excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies, and content moved to user space for explicit improvement (but not simply to circumvent Misplaced Pages's deletion policy)." and even reviewed it with another admin who reversed a G4. I feel there are 4 reasons why G4 does not apply.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:59, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

1. "pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version" - One third of the readable prose was removed--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:19, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
2. "pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies" - The complaint was that the article was chock full of trivia and unnecessary due to redundancy with the main article, which itself needed to be trimmed.
   • When AFD1 began at 19:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC), the main Jabari Parker article was 46119 characters of readable prose. When AFD2 began at 16:08, 21 May 2014 (UTC), the main article was 22433 characters. Determining whether a fork against the new article is unnecessary and redundant is not a matter for CSD, but a matter for discussion.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:19, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
   • When AFD1 closed the fork was 49260 character. AFD2 was for a 33208 character fork. Whether the greatly streamlined version was full of trivia is again a matter for discussion rather than a CSD matter. Clearly, consensus that a 49KB version is full of trivia has little bearing on a 33KB version.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:19, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
3. "content moved to user space for explicit improvement (but not simply to circumvent Misplaced Pages's deletion policy)" - This was certainly the case since I removed one third of the readable prose and added important details in user space.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:19, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Could you kindly userfy the article and talk with all its historical edits. I want to check a few specifics out.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:22, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

• I seem to be suffering from long winded contributors at the moment. I accept that the deletion may have been done outside due process. Because of the way I do deletions, I never saw that DGG had removed Tarc's speedy tag. Restored. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:27, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

• What you have done is not that helpful. The G4 speedy delete was wrong. The Snow delete was correct. No reason not to let the SNOW stand. Please userfy this article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:22, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

• Several users have concluded that Speedy still applies, as recreation of a previously deleted page. The consensus was that the article, AT ANY LENGTH, was unencyclopedic. Anyway, could you just close it as a SNOW since it obviously won't be kept and all it is doing is firing Tony up. ~EDDY ~ 13:35, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Incorrectly, WP:N is permanent and his high school career was formerly the entirety of his notability.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:30, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your entirely proper close of the Jabari Parker high school AfD and ignoring the disruptiveness of Tony. Wizardman 14:52, 26 May 2014 (UTC)