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| The article has had an "empty section" Gameplay for years (it's actually possible it was my tag). If you want you can write it up, guides are also good I guess (another example of me doing it, with bullet point list for each game discussed: ]). --] (]) 20:11, 2 June 2014 (UTC) | The article has had an "empty section" Gameplay for years (it's actually possible it was my tag). If you want you can write it up, guides are also good I guess (another example of me doing it, with bullet point list for each game discussed: ]). --] (]) 20:11, 2 June 2014 (UTC) | ||
| :That's probably my doing; I tend to lose interest a little too quickly in the "bringing to GA" step of an article. I'll try to get around to incorporating that into a dedicated gameplay section. I'm sure I'll get to making a decent Gameplay section, especially with better source-searching options. - ] <small>]</small> <small>]</small> 05:15, 3 June 2014 (UTC) | :That's probably my doing; I tend to lose interest a little too quickly in the "bringing to GA" step of an article. I'll try to get around to incorporating that into a dedicated gameplay section. I'm sure I'll get to making a decent Gameplay section, especially with better source-searching options. - ] <small>]</small> <small>]</small> 05:15, 3 June 2014 (UTC) | ||
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I would appreciate it if you didn't try and use low-quality sources in what are supposed to be good articles. Thank you. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 10:43, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
I just removed some random YT vids (but the Legacy episodes were released on YT) and "Game-Flush" whatever thing. --Niemti (talk) 10:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- And what about the numerous other sources that I removed which often don't even show up on WP:VG/RS? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 10:48, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's all opinions, which aren't reliable by default (becasue they're subjective). These guys seem to be paid for their articles by the companies they work for, and it's approved by editors. (With the random SA user blogs, we've been removing them recently.) As for "WP:VG/RS" - do you really think Amiga Power was the only "reliable" Amiga magazine ever? Because all the other "don't even show up" there. And so there's not a trace of Amiga Format, and there's no CU Amiga neither, are you going to try to remove their references too? And so on. "WP:VG/RS" is totally worthless. But anyway: --Niemti (talk) 10:55, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- I know how much you rue the idea of working with the community, but pretend that we have a process of verifying source reliability for a reason. I like Gabriel Yuji as an editor because his response to the situation was a well-reasoned justification for the strength of articles included in the list, rather than an unjustified freak-out. GameFront is not an RS, and PSU is not an RS. If you think they should be, bring them up at WP:VG/RS. I'd be more than happy to have more usable sources. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 17:04, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- And you're doing it wrong. Was there really only one reliable Amiga mag ever? Was nothing from Poland ever reliable? What you should do instad is to shit list stuff, and use commons sense in any other case. --Niemti (talk) 17:07, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- For the record, that statement is downright depressing, Niemti. WP:VG/RS's promotion of Polish RSes dwarfs its promotion of any other non-English source. Seems like I wasted my time if even those who would use Polish sources deny their very existence at WP:VG/RS. Oh well... -Thibbs (talk) 11:44, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- Niemti, let me repeat: you are not above everyone else. The only way that you get a free pass to use whatever sources you want is if you are considered the only editor that doesn't have to do proper citations. Further, no one is "shit listing" anything. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 17:10, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- Are you going to start removing all the other other Amiga magazines only because NOTHING but Amiga Power "even show up on WP:VG/RS"? Y/N. And I'm cosidered what? What? --Niemti (talk) 17:14, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- The only way that it is acceptable for you to be disregarding WP:VG/RS and using sources that have gone largely un-vetted is if you're, I dunno, a Misplaced Pages Gold member? Anyway, I'm not going to answer the question that you keep answering because you seem to basically be arguing that WP:VG/RS doesn't need to exist. Bring sources to that page and argue their merits, then use them. Like the WP:VG peasants do. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 17:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know what you talk about, people love shitting at me constantly (you too). You dodn't answer my question about (for example) all the other Amiga magazines and how does it matter they "don't even show up" there. Because I say: it doesn't matter at all, you might have another opinion so don't be shy and say it. --Niemti (talk) 17:27, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- People shit at you constantly because you have a terrible attitude. You were the absolute first person to enter that discussion re: the list and make the situation ugly. Tezero has just as much to "lose" if the character improvement drive were to go sour, and yet he's pretty humble and cooperative about it. Your problem is that you took it as a personal attack.
- I didn't answer your question because the implication is that WP:VG/RS, the guideline people in the project use to figure out which sources are good and which are not, is in fact unreliable. Feel free to help strengthen the sources guide. Do not feel free to ignore it. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 17:39, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- But please answer my question. --Niemti (talk) 17:42, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's your responsibility to ensure that Amiga sources are listed on WP:VG/RS. Same as the sources that aren't listed there that you use. You can't just used assumed notability. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 17:49, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- And so when are you gouing to start removing all the Amiga magazine sources that are not from Amiga Power? --Niemti (talk) 17:59, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Sorry. I don't plan on doing that because our goals are different: I'm removing sources of sketchy reliability, you're trying to disrupt Misplaced Pages by saying "Well what about this! And this! And this!" If I remove the Amiga sources, then that entails that I remove any source you ask me to. You can feel free to do it yourself. Or bring them to WP:VG/RS. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 18:10, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- SOMEESSAYEXISTS. You think I actually wanted you to do it? Removing the Amiga mags sources would be an incredibly stupid thing to do, all I wanted was to demonstrate you the absurdity of your "don't even show up on WP:VG/RS" argument. --Niemti (talk) 19:13, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Sorry. I don't plan on doing that because our goals are different: I'm removing sources of sketchy reliability, you're trying to disrupt Misplaced Pages by saying "Well what about this! And this! And this!" If I remove the Amiga sources, then that entails that I remove any source you ask me to. You can feel free to do it yourself. Or bring them to WP:VG/RS. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 18:10, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- And so when are you gouing to start removing all the Amiga magazine sources that are not from Amiga Power? --Niemti (talk) 17:59, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's your responsibility to ensure that Amiga sources are listed on WP:VG/RS. Same as the sources that aren't listed there that you use. You can't just used assumed notability. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 17:49, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- But please answer my question. --Niemti (talk) 17:42, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know what you talk about, people love shitting at me constantly (you too). You dodn't answer my question about (for example) all the other Amiga magazines and how does it matter they "don't even show up" there. Because I say: it doesn't matter at all, you might have another opinion so don't be shy and say it. --Niemti (talk) 17:27, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- The only way that it is acceptable for you to be disregarding WP:VG/RS and using sources that have gone largely un-vetted is if you're, I dunno, a Misplaced Pages Gold member? Anyway, I'm not going to answer the question that you keep answering because you seem to basically be arguing that WP:VG/RS doesn't need to exist. Bring sources to that page and argue their merits, then use them. Like the WP:VG peasants do. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 17:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- Are you going to start removing all the other other Amiga magazines only because NOTHING but Amiga Power "even show up on WP:VG/RS"? Y/N. And I'm cosidered what? What? --Niemti (talk) 17:14, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- And you're doing it wrong. Was there really only one reliable Amiga mag ever? Was nothing from Poland ever reliable? What you should do instad is to shit list stuff, and use commons sense in any other case. --Niemti (talk) 17:07, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- I know how much you rue the idea of working with the community, but pretend that we have a process of verifying source reliability for a reason. I like Gabriel Yuji as an editor because his response to the situation was a well-reasoned justification for the strength of articles included in the list, rather than an unjustified freak-out. GameFront is not an RS, and PSU is not an RS. If you think they should be, bring them up at WP:VG/RS. I'd be more than happy to have more usable sources. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 17:04, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's all opinions, which aren't reliable by default (becasue they're subjective). These guys seem to be paid for their articles by the companies they work for, and it's approved by editors. (With the random SA user blogs, we've been removing them recently.) As for "WP:VG/RS" - do you really think Amiga Power was the only "reliable" Amiga magazine ever? Because all the other "don't even show up" there. And so there's not a trace of Amiga Format, and there's no CU Amiga neither, are you going to try to remove their references too? And so on. "WP:VG/RS" is totally worthless. But anyway: --Niemti (talk) 10:55, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Btw, did you seriosuly list Ada Wong on your GA list? For your total of 5 edits (including 3 today)? Nice stolen valour. Keep on being classy. --Niemti (talk) 19:25, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- I created the article. Sorry that all I did was bring the article into existence. You'd have had a point if my five edits were to make a shell of an article, but I created it and sourced it (with sources that aren't just YouTube, RE fansites, and Gameranx) to the point that it passed WP:NOTE. Something that you struggle to do yourself, considering how many articles use unverified sources as a crutch. I think making the article is a little bit of more value than when you made the article poorly. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:34, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- A-ha, and it was a GA class article: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ada_Wong&oldid=336698534 And yeah, it's me who uses "very, very bad sources" because yours awesome sources and excellent content, like Travis Moore, editor for the Daily Campus, stated that characters like Ada are cited as an example of characters who are in control of their sexuality, but added that this was only due to their "coy desirability" (what). Btw, I think Inquirer.net is even totally black-listed from linking today. Go and read this whole article. --Niemti (talk) 19:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- To confirm: Your quality is my quality four years ago. Well, that's pretty evident. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:43, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- Sure! (When asked by IGN editors if Ada would appear in the game, Resident Evil 4 producer Hiroyuki Kobayashi stated that a mystery woman appears in the game.) A serious question: whatever was "aquamarine.nu"? And "fyfre.com"? Oh! A reliable source! You have no shame. --Niemti (talk) 19:45, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not one for settling for mediocrity like you seem to be, but oh well. By the way, is it accidental that all of the sources to which you defend have not had a single word spoken by you to demonstrate their reliability? I mean, wouldn't it be fair to say that this probably means that you know that they aren't, but are disrupting Misplaced Pages to avoid their removal? Honestly, it seems like clockwork: any situation you're in, an RfC has to be opened up because your idea of editing Misplaced Pages doesn't involve civility or even the semblance of cooperation with anyone. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- You're the one "settling for mediocrity", and shamelessly lying for no reason (I created it and sourced it (with sources that aren't just YouTube, RE fansites, and Gameranx) to the point that it passed WP:NOTE. Something that you struggle to do yourself, considering how many articles use unverified sources as a crutch.). Btw, there's nothing wrong with YouTube (nothing at all). And it seems "fyfre.com" was this (where they even say they were a "fansite"). OK, I'm done with you. See ya. --Niemti (talk) 20:01, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- No problem, of course, beyond the fact that WP:EL states that most YouTube videos are to be avoided - AKA, all of the YouTube links I removed. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:19, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- WP:YOUTUBE and welcome to Misplaced Pages. --Niemti (talk) 20:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- No problem, of course, beyond the fact that WP:EL states that most YouTube videos are to be avoided - AKA, all of the YouTube links I removed. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:19, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- You're the one "settling for mediocrity", and shamelessly lying for no reason (I created it and sourced it (with sources that aren't just YouTube, RE fansites, and Gameranx) to the point that it passed WP:NOTE. Something that you struggle to do yourself, considering how many articles use unverified sources as a crutch.). Btw, there's nothing wrong with YouTube (nothing at all). And it seems "fyfre.com" was this (where they even say they were a "fansite"). OK, I'm done with you. See ya. --Niemti (talk) 20:01, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not one for settling for mediocrity like you seem to be, but oh well. By the way, is it accidental that all of the sources to which you defend have not had a single word spoken by you to demonstrate their reliability? I mean, wouldn't it be fair to say that this probably means that you know that they aren't, but are disrupting Misplaced Pages to avoid their removal? Honestly, it seems like clockwork: any situation you're in, an RfC has to be opened up because your idea of editing Misplaced Pages doesn't involve civility or even the semblance of cooperation with anyone. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- Sure! (When asked by IGN editors if Ada would appear in the game, Resident Evil 4 producer Hiroyuki Kobayashi stated that a mystery woman appears in the game.) A serious question: whatever was "aquamarine.nu"? And "fyfre.com"? Oh! A reliable source! You have no shame. --Niemti (talk) 19:45, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- To confirm: Your quality is my quality four years ago. Well, that's pretty evident. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:43, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- A-ha, and it was a GA class article: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ada_Wong&oldid=336698534 And yeah, it's me who uses "very, very bad sources" because yours awesome sources and excellent content, like Travis Moore, editor for the Daily Campus, stated that characters like Ada are cited as an example of characters who are in control of their sexuality, but added that this was only due to their "coy desirability" (what). Btw, I think Inquirer.net is even totally black-listed from linking today. Go and read this whole article. --Niemti (talk) 19:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
" Many videos hosted on YouTube or similar sites do not meet the standards for inclusion" Protip: Don't link to something that makes my argument. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:27, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
- Why are you even trying? Seriously, why do you even do it? Protip: ...and copyright is of particular concern. Many YouTube videos of newscasts, shows or other content of interest to Misplaced Pages visitors are copyright violations and should not be linked. Links should be evaluated for inclusion with due care on a case-by-case basis. don't take things out of context. It's really stupid. Especially since you KNOW that I read it. No, its just so really stupid. --Niemti (talk) 20:33, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Death Battle
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Re: Hey, it's really...
I agree that there are flagrant double standards; I'm just less confident than you that they can be stopped. I mean, the first two RfCs haven't gotten anything from outside WP:VG. I'm not sure anyone even cares; video game articles aren't exactly taken the most seriously out of what Misplaced Pages hosts. You pose an interesting idea about actively seeking other editors, though; do you know who exactly these founders you speak of are? Oh, and thanks for the work on Joe; it'd probably have been merged by now if it wasn't for you. Tezero (talk) 17:17, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
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WonderCon pic
It honestly works a lot better in the late 2000s-2010s section, mainly because it concerns a late 2000s-2010s video game. Kind of random to put it in the best-selling franchises section. What was your rationale for that? TheStickMan 00:07, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
The thing's Tekken and SF are best-selling series ever not of 2000s. --Niemti (talk) 05:30, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- Well yeah. But the picture concerns a game that was released in 2000s-2010s. Using it to represent two of the franchises there is kind of unnecessary. On a smaller note, the picture flat-out doesn't look good there. TheStickMan 12:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's about how they both best-selling (and then there's their crossover, which ends the article). --Niemti (talk) 13:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- I got that. I'm saying it's not a good use for the picture. TheStickMan 15:12, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- Then I don't know what you want to use there after you removed the SF-MK cosplay pic. Also it's E3. --Niemti (talk) 15:14, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- Nothing really needs to be there, I just think the WonderCon pic is a good one but better off in the 2000s-2010s section. TheStickMan 19:40, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's E3. --Niemti (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- Oops missed that. But still. TheStickMan 22:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's E3. --Niemti (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- Nothing really needs to be there, I just think the WonderCon pic is a good one but better off in the 2000s-2010s section. TheStickMan 19:40, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- Then I don't know what you want to use there after you removed the SF-MK cosplay pic. Also it's E3. --Niemti (talk) 15:14, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- I got that. I'm saying it's not a good use for the picture. TheStickMan 15:12, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's about how they both best-selling (and then there's their crossover, which ends the article). --Niemti (talk) 13:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Uh, so is it safe to assume that you don't really care anymore or what? TheStickMan 23:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC) Actually I don't. --Niemti (talk) 05:22, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
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The reason why I removed the content from K. Thor Jensen on Heavy.com wasn't that the website wasn't reliable; it was the fact that the citation wasn't very strong. It was merely "I want Oro in SFIV", which doesn't say much strong about his actual character reception IMO. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:12, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Dee Jay
The reason I removed the sources were that - ignoring their status as players of SFIV (professional players), their comments were about how well Dee Jay played rather than any real analysis of the character from a real-world POV. The other two mentions are stronger, but they're pretty basic one-off mentions; the substance basically amounts to "he's a loser" and "he's worse than Cammy and Fei-Long." - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
That they're good or bad to play is very much "a real-world POV". (I just prefer to relocate such things to gameplay sections if there are any. As in Ibuki (Street Fighter)#Gameplay, etc.) --Niemti (talk) 20:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- That'd be fine. As for the other two, they just sound like general support reception - ie, "a number of reviewers felt that Dee Jay wasn't super awesome in Super Street Fighter II such as these guys" or what have you. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:05, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
The article has had an "empty section" Gameplay for years (it's actually possible it was my tag). If you want you can write it up, guides are also good I guess (another example of me doing it, with bullet point list for each game discussed: Ayane (Dead or Alive)#Gameplay). --Niemti (talk) 20:11, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- That's probably my doing; I tend to lose interest a little too quickly in the "bringing to GA" step of an article. I'll try to get around to incorporating that into a dedicated gameplay section. I'm sure I'll get to making a decent Gameplay section, especially with better source-searching options. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 05:15, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Gaminrealm
Yeah, that's a pretty pathetic "About" statement, and then I saw the WP link at the bottom. Oh well, I guess that's what I get for not looking at the rest of the site beforehand. sixtynine 04:59, 4 June 2014 (UTC)