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| :::Thank you, this information are a huge step forward, and it's almost very sure from his birth until 1891 he was an Austrian citizen. If someone knows did he earlier resign/acquire any citizenship, please share and also I'd like to hear a Croatia expert between 1856-1867 what citizenship the people in Kingdom of Croatia had. If we have all this missing information, the infobox's citizenship section should be changed in a way not the corresponding country names are listed (it might change meanwhile the citizenship remains), but like i.e. Austrian (?-29 July 1891), American (30 July 1891 – 7 January 1943)(] (]) 20:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC)) | :::Thank you, this information are a huge step forward, and it's almost very sure from his birth until 1891 he was an Austrian citizen. If someone knows did he earlier resign/acquire any citizenship, please share and also I'd like to hear a Croatia expert between 1856-1867 what citizenship the people in Kingdom of Croatia had. If we have all this missing information, the infobox's citizenship section should be changed in a way not the corresponding country names are listed (it might change meanwhile the citizenship remains), but like i.e. Austrian (?-29 July 1891), American (30 July 1891 – 7 January 1943)(] (]) 20:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC)) | ||
| == Tesla's place of birth, Croatia == | |||
| U suggest a minor correction. | |||
| Nikola Tesla was born in Croatia, which at that time was a part of Austrian Empire. Present construct suggests very different thesis. | |||
| So instead: | |||
| Nikola Tesla was born on 10 July (O.S. 28 June) 1856 to Serbian parents in the village of Smiljan, Croatia , Austrian Empire. | |||
| Source: | |||
| Tribute to King Alexander | |||
| Nikola Tesla | |||
| Published in New York Times, Oct. 19, 1934 | |||
| The direct quote from Tesla himself states: "I was born in Croatia". | |||
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Gilded urn with Tesla's ashes location possibly changing soon
Teslas ashes to be stolen by the Serbian Orthodox Church: The plan to remove the urn from the Tesla museum in Belgrade and move it to the Temple of Saint Sava was revealed several weeks ago. The plan was to move it in June or July. People, thankfully, started protesting against that, (fb group) and at the moment it seams that the plan is "frozen", which may mean that they gave up but do not want to admit it, OR it can also mean that they are just waiting for the people to forget and then to do a blitz move after which it will be "too late to move him back" or something like that. Oh, the plan was not to move the urn INTO the Temple because cremation is strictly forbidden in Eastern Orthodox Christianity, instead they want to bury the urn BEHIND the Temple in a hidden park under a Tesla statue...--StojadinovicP (talk) 16:08, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Pretty bizzare and not referenced
I propose these sentences to be deleted (section Relationship) from the article:
In the late 1920s, Tesla befriended George Sylvester Viereck, a poet, writer, mystic, and later, a Nazi propagandist. Though nearly a hermit, Tesla occasionally attended dinner parties held by Viereck and his wife.
The sentences are not referenced for a long time.--96.241.218.72 (talk) 23:54, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Not done - although re-worded. Most "Tesla books" note this relationship (one cited). Removed the bit about the hermit. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 00:57, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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Please change his brother Dane being killed when Nikola was 5 to when he was 7. Dane was killed in 1863 when he was 7. Sources: Tesla by W. Bernard Carlson, My Inventions by Nikola Tesla 71.237.227.192 (talk) 23:27, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You'll need to be more specific about your source. You have not given enough detail for me to be able to find the source you claim backs your story. — {{U|Technical 13}} 01:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
"Electromechanical devices and principles developed by Nikola Tesla" - list
I removed this list restored from a 19 month old version of the article because it is fundamentally un-encyclopedic, with implied claims these were Tesla inventions, non-conforming to WP:LIST, and containing material unreferenced or referenced to primary sources. Not sure why we need such a list, the article does (or should) cover these topics. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:30, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Schizophrenia???
Hello! Sorry I'm a bit of a new user here, but I've read quite a bit about Tesla, and was curious if anyone would be interested in putting in a section or bit about him being schizophrenic? As a young boy, he often saw visions (mainly after his brother died) and had trouble distinguishing between reality and visions. It is partially addressed in the section "Eidetic memory", however I believe there could be more. In the book Nikola Tesla: A Spark of Genius by Carol Dummermoth-Costa, the author talks about these visions early on, but the word schizophrenic isn't mentioned. I found this website http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_41/thepennypost.html. I'm not sure if it qualifies as a reliable source, but I think it would be good to include his schizophrenia and possibly manic depression. Tesla also talked about being blinded by a light he saw in a pigeon's eyes. Sounds schizophrenic to me. Thanks from a new user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomkitty (talk • contribs) 20:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
- We need independent reliable sources to explicitly suggest that he may have have been schizophrenic before we can mention it here. HiLo48 (talk) 21:20, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Non-standard vocab.
This article uses the word "wireless" as a synonym for "radio", which is a vocab quirk that doesn't exist much outside the UK. "Radio" is the universal abbreviation for "radio-frequency e/m signal transmission", and the use of "wireless" for "radio" makes the text unclear.77Mike77 (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- You would have to cite instances. Allot of what Tesla developed was "wireless" (as in wireless power and wireless transmission) and this was not the same as "radio" - in fact Tesla thought "radio" (Hertzian waves) were next to useless for much of anything (some explanations here). I can see need for cleanup but it may be the other way around - allot of things in this article called radio that really were not. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 22:52, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
For example, "He tried to put these ideas to practical use in his ill-fated attempt at intercontinental wireless transmission," I suspect that the author means "radio" here, but perhaps Tesla was thinking of communicating by static "zaps" the way Marconi did. I don't have time to analyze the dates to see how Tesla's inventions fit in with the other inventions of his era, but given the British use of "wireless" to mean "radio", the article is ambiguous whenever the word "wireless" is used. It's a good article overall, but just a little unclear on that point. I'm coming from the viewpoint of a reader trying to understand what the author means, not as an expert on Tesla.77Mike77 (talk) 02:11, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
- That particular example refers to wireless power transmission. Admittedly, the sentence could be written more clearly. - MrX 02:19, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
- The problem is there are many meanings as to what this was. Tesla sold it to J. P. Morgan as a world wide wireless signal transmitter. When Tesla talks about "wireless", he sometimes (always?) means a lack of wires, in this case it looks like he was going to inject massive amounts of electricity into the ground based on his perceptions that some sort of resonate aether would carry his signals through the whole planet to similar stations around the world--- i.e. there were no wires--->Earth was the wire. Tesla also may have sold Morgan a bill of goods and really wanted to prove that his wireless power transmission ideas would work. There is a real lack of understanding in this article as to what Tesla was doing, that can be fixed. It would help to explain allot. Wardenclyffe was thought up by Tesla before Marconi hit upon the idea of using airborn Hertzian waves ("radio-frequency e/m signal transmission") as a means for long range transmission, so no, it would not technically be a radio transmitter. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 17:33, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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there is a thru in this and that drives me crazy. I just want to change it to through
Fixed - Thanks. - MrX 12:05, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
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Nikola Tesla (Serbian Cyrillic: Никола Тесла; 10 July 1856 – 7 January 1943) was a Serbian American He was born in Smiljan, Austrian Empire, today's Croatia, so he cant be a Serbian-American scientist, but Austrian-American scientist, because his nationality before American was nationality of Austrian Empire... 89.164.228.5 (talk) 19:54, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} 20:13, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Edit request
Can his article be added to the "people associated with electricity" category, or is this article already in too many categories? --- Former Wikipedian who forgot my password. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.124.79 (talk) 00:04, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
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Nikola Tesla was born in Smiljan(Croatia) 10.july 1856.
Josipa1410 (talk) 17:41, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
- Not done - Croatia was not a recognized sovereign state at the time of Tesla's birth.- MrX 17:46, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Citizenship
I kindly ask the help of an advanced Croatian history expert and/or a Nikola Tesla biography specialist. The infobox information is surely incorrect, since Austro-Hungarian citizenship did not exist (for details check Austrian Empire/The Status of the Kingdom of Hungary section). Since it was true also before and after the Austro-Hungarian compromise, at the same time Kingdom of Croatia were also legally part of the Lands of the Crown of St. Stephen, also before and after - of course since 1868 as Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia. Literally with some legal conditions like personal-union, etc., part of Kingdom of Hungary (although before the compromise, regardless of the legal status, it was directly controlled from Vienna, but this was also true for Royal Hungary, regardless it was legally a Regnum Independens, it is common if the crown is held by a King from a different house, but it never meant to consider the Austrian Empire as one state, but a type of conglomeration of states with a common King)
It's a bit hard to visualize this, since I want to reflect it the time when Tesla was born. I am also aware not all former states/regions "conquered" by the Austrian Empire had the status as a separate state in the Habsburg Crownlands, like Kingdom of Hungary had. So I want to know exactly - not just by the prediction where Tesla was born/lived - what citizenships he had or did he resigned any citizenship before acquiring the American one.
Please someone tell if Kingdom of Croatia had a similar status by citizenship like Hungary in 1856...or if not and we assume between the time he was born and after acquiring the U.S. citizenship, and assuming he did not change citizenship on his own will, then he was a Hungarian citizen (if we regard the legal hereditary status) or an Austrian citizen (if regardless of the legal status of Kingdom of Croatia as part the Lands of the crown of St. Stephen, Hungarian citizenship was not applied there for any reason) this period.
I'd say the infobox's citizenship section just enlisting some empires/states Tesla stayed, and in reality it does not tell us anything about his former citizenships, even if we ignore the date of birth and death, we only know about the date of the compromise and the abolishment of AH.
Please someone make it clear, because he surely wasn't a Austro-Hungarian citizen,such did not exist. Thanks (KIENGIR (talk) 21:54, 3 June 2014 (UTC))
- If you look at the third paragraph at Austria-Hungary#Structure and name, you might reasonably conclude that his citizenship was Hungarian between 1867 and 1891. But according to this he could have also chosen to be Austrian. Meanwhile, I will simply remove that content from the infobox, and it can remain a mystery until we have a conclusive source that explicitly states what his citizenship was during that time.- MrX 22:33, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
- I found several reliable, primary sources.
- Tesla held Austrian citizenship when he was naturalized as a US citizen. (Source: National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Washington, D.C.; Soundex Index to Petitions for Naturalizations Filed in Federal, State, and Local Courts in New York City, 1792-1906 (M1674); Microfilm Serial: M1674; Microfilm Roll: 268; Roll Description : T-236; T-360; Ancestry.com. U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)).
- His passport application in 1891 lists his birthplace as Austria (Source: National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Washington D.C.; Passport Applications, 1795-1905; Collection Number: ARC Identifier 566612 / MLR Number A1 508; NARA Series: M1372; Roll #: 378; Volume : Roll 378 - 14 Jul 1891-31 Jul 1891; Ancestry.com. U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925).
- In his petition for Naturalization in 1889, he renounces his allegiance to Austria. (Source:Court of Common Pleas for the City and County of New York (700-702); Ancestry.com. New York, Naturalization Petitions, 1794-1906; Original data: Petitions for Naturalization, 1793-1906. ARC ID: 5324244. Records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Record Group 85. National Archives at New York City, New York, U.S.A.)- MrX 03:25, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
- I found several reliable, primary sources.
- Thank you, this information are a huge step forward, and it's almost very sure from his birth until 1891 he was an Austrian citizen. If someone knows did he earlier resign/acquire any citizenship, please share and also I'd like to hear a Croatia expert between 1856-1867 what citizenship the people in Kingdom of Croatia had. If we have all this missing information, the infobox's citizenship section should be changed in a way not the corresponding country names are listed (it might change meanwhile the citizenship remains), but like i.e. Austrian (?-29 July 1891), American (30 July 1891 – 7 January 1943)(KIENGIR (talk) 20:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC))
Tesla's place of birth, Croatia
U suggest a minor correction. Nikola Tesla was born in Croatia, which at that time was a part of Austrian Empire. Present construct suggests very different thesis.
So instead:
Nikola Tesla was born on 10 July (O.S. 28 June) 1856 to Serbian parents in the village of Smiljan, Croatia , Austrian Empire.
Source:
Tribute to King Alexander Nikola Tesla
Published in New York Times, Oct. 19, 1934
The direct quote from Tesla himself states: "I was born in Croatia".
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