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Deor

Voice your opinion on this candidate (talk page) (38/3/1); Scheduled to end 13:10, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Nomination

Deor (talk · contribs)

Nomination statement by User:Drmies

It is my pleasure to nominate Deor for the mop. Deor--a lovely name based, one assumes, on the Old English poem of the same name--has been here since 2006 really continuously (I note a likely vacation in July 2011, but I trust that won't happen again). They are mostly a content editor, doing a bunch of gnome work on the side. They have over 70,000 edits, more than 75% of which in main space; while not a prolific article creator, they have a couple short ones to their credit, on things I can't pronounce (Craig y Forwyn, Denbighshire) or things I didn't know existed (Kadleroshilik Pingo is the highest pingo in the world! what's a pingo?). Their block log is clean as a whistle. Worst thing I've heard them say is "drat"--no "double drat", as far as I know.

In addition, Deor is a well-known and helpful contributor to various reference desks (since forever), esp. for language and humanities; I don't know if they're a professional linguist or not (Deor isn't as chatty as some people are), but they sure sound like one. They have extensive knowledge of policy and of various technical/template-related aspects of the project. Most importantly, Deor is a voice of calm and diplomacy, and that's something we can use, and they are a really, really nice person to work with. I gladly endorse their candidacy, and I'll state that I and some others gave them a little nudge in this direction. Drmies (talk) 18:36, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept. Deor (talk) 13:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
A: I don't plan to do anything until I've satisfied myself that I understand how to operate the relevant tools properly, but after that I imagine I will focus on areas that sometimes get backlogged a bit, such as page-protection requests, CSDs, requested moves, and XfDs, or things that may require immediate attention, such as vandalism reports. I have no interest in becoming a "professional" sysop; most of my edits will no doubt continue to consist of the usual gnomery, and I'll just try to help out where I see a need.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: I don't really think in terms of "best contributions". I've done a lot of work in geocoding (well over 10,000 articles), copyediting, vandalism reversion (mainly in my early days), and general cleanup, and to me those sorts of things are quite as valuable as writing an article that perhaps 100 people a month will view. I must admit that I do tend to get a special glow from being able to satisfy reference-desk querents—as here—and from developing rather sloppy beginnings into short but adequate encyclopedia articles, as I did at Robert James (physician), for instance.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Yes, like everyone else I've experienced conflicts—the earliest major one I can think of was at Guy Davenport—and they have occasionally caused me stress, although I think less so now than formerly, when I may have tended to slip into a "Someone is wrong on the Internet" attitude. Most have been handled (if not to everyone's satisfaction) through informal talk-page discussion, though I've occasionally gone so far as to initiate an RfC. In other cases, when I've been overcome by a sense of futility or indifference, I've simply walked away.
Additional question from Jim Cartar
4. Please set out your position with regards to Recall.
A: I can't say that I'm familiar with all the proposals that have been made for a formal process for admin recall, but it appears that none have gained sufficient acceptance to be implemented. That said, I don't expect to go to my grave greedily clutching the mop to my chest. If a number of users agree, at an RfC/U or ANI or somewhere, that I've failed to use the tools properly or have used them to the detriment of the project, I'm perfectly willing to hand them in. I edit Misplaced Pages mainly for recreation, and if adminship becomes a burden, I'd rather resign than become soured on the whole business. Deor (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
5. Have you previously edited Misplaced Pages using any other account ? Jim Carter 20:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
A: No. Deor (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
5.1 (Note:To get a good understanding of the candidate, I'm adding a question.) As becoming an admin, you are allowed to block editors. Which of these names are reasonable, and which should be switched?
A: Username policy is definitely not my area of expertise, and I don't foresee myself blocking anyone on such a basis in any but the most obvious instances; but I'll give it a go. The first and last ones aren't really credible attempts at impersonation, but I can see that they might be somewhat problematic; I might start by suggesting to the users that they adopt different names. AGreatAdmin and TheRamBot are right out, as names that "give the impression that the account has permissions which it does not have" and "could be easily misunderstood to refer to a 'bot'" (unless, of course, the latter were an approved bot). I don't see that the four asterisks violates any explicit rule (but I do see that such an account already exists and has been blocked for the reason "username", so I may be missing something), but—supposing that it could be newly created—I'd definitely want to make sure that it wasn't Willy on Wheels. I'm Better Than You might be construed as a name that "seem intended to provoke emotional reaction", but, again, the first step would probably be to try to convince the user to change to a less confrontational name. In most cases of "iffy" names, I'd definitely want to check the users' contributions for disruption and perhaps ask a more experienced admin for a second opinion. Deor (talk) 11:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Additional question from Liz
6. Since you expect to use Admin tools in the areas of CSD and XfD, I was just wondering, specifically, where your experience in deletion discussion has occurred. Have you been active in AfD, MfD, TfD or CfD? Have you closed deletion discussions? Looking at your most edited pages, they seem to be primarily in mainspace articles, not in Misplaced Pages space. Thank you. Liz 21:25, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
A: I used to participate at AfD more frequently than I do these days, since I've been focusing more on geocoding and other areas. You can see my stats here. MfD, TfD and CfD are areas I'm not really knowledgeable about (though I've made a few nominations), and I certainly wouldn't dive into them without familiarizing myself with the accepted procedures and practices in those areas; but I do have confidence in my general ability to read a discussion and determine consensus. I'm sure that I've closed a few AfD discussions that met the speedy-keep criteria, and I've definitely closed some in cases where admins had deleted the articles but (perhaps unaware of the AfDs) neglected to close the discussions. I'm not, however, in general a fan of non-admin closures of AfDs—even ones in which a "snow" decision is apparent—as they can lead to unnecessary drama. (Also, despite Axl's comment in his oppose opinion below, I've tagged a number of articles for speedy deletion—two within the past two days, in fact, one for copyvio and one as a duplicate article.) Deor (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Additional question from kelapstick
7. What, if any, criteria would the following articles be eligible under for CSD.
7.1 Joe's Bar & Taxidermy
A: Not a candidate for speedy, I think, though someone may choose to prod it or take it to AfD. Would it be this place? Why is a Pennsylvania bar getting so much coverage in Canada? Deor (talk) 00:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Well played, actually it is completely different (and of course, fictional). --kelapstick 01:50, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
7.2 Best Flaming Homer
A: A3—"a question that should have been asked at the help or reference desks". Deor (talk) 00:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
7.3 Super Chemical Fire Engine Power Generation
A: A1—no context. Deor (talk) 00:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Additional question from DarkFalls
8. On the Festival Theatre AfD, what did you do wrong and what should you have done instead?
A:

General comments

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review their contributions before commenting.

Discussion

RfA/RfB toolbox
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Analysis
Cross-wiki
Support
  1. Support after doing a little research. Appears to be heavily involved with content rather than the back office, yet has enough overall experience to do it all. I expect them to be a great asset with the extra tools. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 13:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Solid editor. --Randykitty (talk) 13:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Fairly sure from what I've seen that Deor has the potential to be a quality admin. Yunshui 水 13:18, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support Deor's been around for ages - I highly doubt he'll do anything that will make me regret voting for him as an admin. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:38, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  5. Support Looks fine to me. Deb (talk) 13:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  6. Support Jianhui67 13:47, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  7. Support - Kraxler (talk) 13:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  8. Support – Very easy decision. United States Man (talk) 14:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  9. Support Great candidate, No issues!, Good luck :) -→Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 14:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  10. Support Trustworthy candidate and nom; should be a help with the mop. Miniapolis 15:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  11. Support...no evidence they will misuse the tools or abuse the position.--MONGO 15:22, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  12. Support – Long editing record and no apparent problems. I checked some of his remarks at ANI and didn't see anything amiss. EdJohnston (talk) 15:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  13. Support Sure. → Call me Hahc21 15:57, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
    —Dark 16:36, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  14. Support --AmaryllisGardener 16:44, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  15. Support per nom. --John (talk) 17:18, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  16. NativeForeigner 17:49, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  17. Support BethNaught (talk) 18:14, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  18. Support - no concerns, will make a fine admin. GiantSnowman 18:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  19. ///EuroCarGT 20:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  20. A name that I have seen around often, no alarm bells ringing, likely to be a net positive with the tools so support. Bencherlite 00:40, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  21. Weak support Frankly, based on Q1 and their editing history, I'm confused why the candidate desires the tools. There's little recent experience in administrative areas, and they've made it clear they'll primarily continue their gnomish work as they do now. However, they've been upfront about this, have been around a long time (I'm not calling you old), seem to be versed in policy, and I don't foresee misuse of the tools. Tag on the respect I have for the other supporters and you've got my support. — MusikAnimal 00:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  22. Stephen 00:44, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  23. Support Looks like a very solid contributor who deserves the tools and won't misuse them. Z10987 (talk) 01:21, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  24. Support Qualified editor. --kelapstick 02:04, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  25. Support I checked a couple of old discussions and found that Deor was calm, precise, and helpful. Johnuniq (talk) 02:24, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  26. Support See no problems. Would love to see a bit more experience in a few areas (dispute resolution mainly) but is well above the bar. Hobit (talk) 03:16, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  27. Support. Without reservation, even having read the opposes. Epeefleche (talk) 03:21, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  28. Support, happy to do so. SlimVirgin 03:22, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  29. Support, looks like a trustworthy user, modest, willing to do the hard unglamorous work of being an admin. There's a reason why it's call the mop; we need solid cleanup people like this. --MelanieN (talk) 03:56, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  30. Support- no concerns here. Reyk YO! 04:18, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  31. Support Solid editor, who seems unlikely to break the wiki. Definite WP:NETPOSTazerdadog (talk) 05:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  32. Support. Looks like a good candidate. Judging from their response to question seven and from their deleted contribs, they have a good handle on speedy deletion. — Mr. Stradivarius 09:27, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  33. Support. It would be hard for any mature editor with such a solid and regular contribution to mainspace not to have picked up the rules and policies on the way - whether they have demonstrated that knowledge in the drama areas or not, and whether or not they have made dozens of creations. He maintains a calm disposition especially when challenged by some users who may have a less friendly approach towards their fellow editors. I underline the support by Dennis in this and other sections, in that I believe Deor to be a classic example of the kind of admin Misplaced Pages needs. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  34. Support. Big thumbs up for this one.--Razionale (talk) 10:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  35. Easy support. Really competent, really dedicated. - Dank (push to talk) 11:00, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  36. Support I feel it is unlikely they will break anything or turn into a raving drama monger. Additionally, they seem to have sufficient WP:CLUE and been around long enough to wield the mop effectively. Bellerophon talk to me 11:26, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  37. No edits to the Help talk: or Portal talk: namespaces. —Kusma (t·c) 11:50, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    Is that a support? GedUK  12:00, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  38. Support Looks good to me. GedUK  11:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose. Infrequent AfD comments—only one this year. Drama at this AfD nomination. One CSD tag this year. Inadequate experience with deletion areas. Content creation isn't great either. Axl ¤ 20:00, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  2. Oppose. Per Axl above. Indeed there's virtually no content creation here. I looked at the example of Robert James (physician) Deor gives and I can't say I'm blown away by before and after Deor's main editing there. RfA candidates with so little content experience are never going to get my support, but when that is combined with the sort of attitude displayed at the AfD that Axl quotes, then they can expect my forthright opposition. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 23:02, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
    He has 55,000 edits just to mainspace, and only 117 of those are using automated tools. "So little content experience" is hyperbole, to put it lightly. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
    There was nothing special about the editing he did at Robert James (physician). It's the sort of thing any newbie cutting their teeth on our gentle (erm ... solitary) craft should be pursuing, and that hopefully without censoriously striking material (as he did over James' celebrated description of masturbation, resupplied by yours truly here, and BTW since I'm here I added a very nice Egon Schiele to Wikimedia Commons' collection of deplorable images yesterday, check it out).
    Since it's you, Dennis, I'm prepared to offer myself open to persuasion, but I will need some persuading and that especially with regard to the AfD drama Axl mentions. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 00:53, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    I'm not necessarily trying to change your mind, but offering perspective to anyone that happens by your comment. As for the one bluntness at AFD, I'm pretty sure that I've done much worse at a few AFDs, if I am to be honest. Both Deor and I have participated in around 1500 AFDs, it is a heated environment, it will happen if anyone is passionate about what they do. It is part of being human. If that is the worst, I can live with it. If you can't, that is fine and I respect that. To me, the bar for adminship isn't perfection, it is about trust, experience and being able to understand regular editors. On those points, I feel pretty good about my support. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    Well that's true about AfDs :). I'll keep an eye on this and see how it goes, but at the moment I'm not disposed to withdraw my opposition. I'll see. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 01:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    I've said some things also at AfDs that I'm not proud of, really not proud of. Drmies (talk) 02:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    I always try to wait 10 minutes before posting replies at AFDs to calm down. Sometimes I succeed... --Randykitty (talk) 07:41, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  3. Oppose. No AfC contributions. Please correct me if i'm wrongAneditor (talk tome) 09:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    ?? Why would AFC contributions be necessary? There must be a lot of admins that never even visited AFC... --Randykitty (talk) 10:04, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    For an editor who's been here that long, he'll never have needed to use AfC to create one, and if he's never worked there clearing backlogs that's no reason to oppose; most people don't work there (hence the backlogs).GedUK  11:58, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Neutral
Seems to be well-versed in policy and have a level-head but I was wondering if you could provide me with several links to disputes/discussions you have been involved in, just so I have a rough idea of temperament and dispute resolution skills. Even stuff that you have "walked away from" would be fine. —Dark 14:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I tend to forget such things quickly, so I'm having a hard time coming up with any good examples. Certainly the most protracted article dispute I've participated in, involving a particularly loquacious (now blocked) user, is one that can be followed on archives 1, 2, and 3 of Talk:Celestial spheres, ending with the RfC I started here, though I wouldn't recommend anyone's trying to wade through that mass of verbiage. My most significant dispute(s) with a particular user were probably with User:A Nobody and his previous account, though those discussions are scattered all over the place; you may want to look at my comments at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/A Nobody. Most of my editing has been at relatively obscure articles, and what small spats have occurred have been correspondingly minor. Deor (talk) 16:05, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Had a quick look over ANI. Despite a few misclicks with rollback (which could happen to anyone), I don't see anything objectionable. —Dark 16:36, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  1. Neutral The nominee looks like an outstanding editor but a tad thin in AfD and some of the Adminny kind of things I expect to see more of in a nominee. That said, I don't think it's to the point where I need to oppose the nomination. But I'm not really sold on this one, so I'm going to respectfully abstain while wishing Deor well. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:44, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    1548 AFDs doesn't seem thin. Most were a year ago, but that is still a tremendous amount of experience. Most candidates don't even have 300 behind them. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:48, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    A candidate with less than 300 AfD discussions under his/her belt would almost certainly get an Opposed !vote from me. But your point is a fair one. I will think about it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)