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Another DYK for review

Hi Zanhe, how are you? I have another article on DYK. So I thought you might like to review it. The nomination page is here. Many thanks. Jim Carter 03:51, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been a bit busy lately and didn't have time to take a look at it until now. I see that it's already been reviewed by an experienced editor. -Zanhe (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your keen re-review :) Jim Carter 14:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Chu Teh-Chun

On 2 May 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Chu Teh-Chun, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Chu Teh-Chun's (pictured) portrait of his wife was praised as the "Mona Lisa of the East"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chu Teh-Chun. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:59, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

About the necessity for the linkages in Comfort women

I have written my opinion about the necessity for the linkages at Talk:Comfort women#About the necessity for the linkages. So please read them and let me know your opinion.NiceDay (talk) 07:10, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mother Lü

On 11 May 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mother Lü, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that to avenge the execution of her son, Mother Lü beheaded her son's killer, sacrificed his head on her son's tomb, and became the first female rebel leader in Chinese history? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mother Lü. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 10:09, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for People's Park (Chengdu)

On 11 May 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article People's Park (Chengdu), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that People's Park, Chengdu, has a monument commemorating those who died protecting railways? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/People's Park (Chengdu). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Thanks for helping Victuallers (talk) 22:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

An Award for You!

	The Chinese Barnstar of National Excellence
	For your prolific good work on China-related articles. Keep it up!! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much Dr. Blofeld. It means a lot to me to be awarded a barnstar by one of the most prolific contributors on Misplaced Pages. -Zanhe (talk) 22:26, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for People's Park (Xining)

On 12 May 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article People's Park (Xining), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Xining's People's Park was designed by a recent college graduate? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/People's Park (Xining). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:38, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	Expert in DYK barnstar
	Honestly you are an expert in DYK related topic! Jim Carter 14:30, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey Zanhe, someone asked for a full review here please help me. Thanks. Jim Carter 06:06, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I reviewed the DYK again. Thanks for the barnstar! -Zanhe (talk) 20:46, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for People's Park (Nanning)

On 17 May 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article People's Park (Nanning), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that there is a 19th-century German cannon in People's Park, Nanning, China? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/People's Park (Nanning). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:34, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for John Calvin Ferguson

On 24 May 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article John Calvin Ferguson, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that John Calvin Ferguson, a Canadian-born American, had a road named after him in the French concession of Shanghai, China? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/John Calvin Ferguson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:59, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Good work on this DYK! I never realized how much was involved, so I'm all the more admiring. ch (talk) 05:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

CWH, thanks for writing the article to begin with. DYK requires more attention to detail, but you get a hang of it after a few tries. Keep up the good work, and maybe you'll become a DYK regular in the future. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 07:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Tan Boen Soan

Could you add the Mandarin name for Tan Boen Soan? It's available here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:37, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done. -Zanhe (talk) 20:52, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you very much. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:45, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

Zanhe, my gratitude for your review of the Zhuangzi article.  White Whirlwind  咨  20:00, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

White whirlwind, it was actually my first GA review, so I wasn't too sure how strictly to interpret the GA rules, especially on breadth. I'm glad that someone else has stepped in and ended my indecision. Despite my reservations, it is an excellent article, and you've done a great job bringing such an important article to GA standard. Thank you very much! As you've seen, I've nominated it for DYK. -Zanhe (talk) 22:15, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Lang Jingshan thanks again

Hi again! Thanks for the thoughtful work at Lang Jingshan, and for the DYK nomination. I had thought of nominating the same salacious fact, but you put it better.

One question for my future reference, though. I am not clear on what images we are allowed to use. The photos you put on the page are great. Did you do something other than just upload and post them, or is there some more complicated procedure needed to get permission? Cheers ch (talk) 18:05, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

CWH, I've been planning to write about Lang Jingshan for a long time, but have been sidetracked by a variety of things. Thanks for writing the article, as well as many others!

The images we use must be public domain (PD) or have a free license. In both PRC and ROC (but not Hong Kong), images become PD 50 years after publication, so all the images I uploaded were published before 1964. However, PD images in China/Taiwan are not automatically PD in the US due to the URAA law. It's a complex issue, but in short, images published in the PRC before 1946 (URAA date 1996 minus 50, mostly meaningless as it was before its founding) or in the ROC before 1952 (URAA date 2002 minus 50) are also PD in the US. When uploading images to the commons using UploadWizard, the second screen asks about license. Choose "Another reason not mentioned above", then paste the copyright template {{PD-China}} for images that are PD in China/Taiwan; for those that are also PD in the US, add the second template {{PD-1996}}. -Zanhe (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks -- your explanation helps at lot. Do you know if it's ok to scan an image of something created before 1964 but in a book printed more recently? For instance, say, a Qing or Ming dynasty woodblock? ch (talk) 01:12, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

CWH, yes definitely, it's the first publishing date that counts. However, if it's a photo of a three-dimensional object such as a sculpture, then the photo is considered an original work with its own copyright. -Zanhe (talk) 02:39, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Zhuangzi (book)

On 30 May 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zhuangzi (book), which you recently nominated. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zhuangzi (book). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 05:33, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Xu Lai (actress)

On 2 June 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Xu Lai (actress), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that film star Xu Lai (pictured), who worked as a secret agent during World War II, died in prison following political persecution by Madame Mao? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Xu Lai (actress). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:05, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

• Impressive work once again with this article. Happy editing! ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 04:56, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! -Zanhe (talk) 06:01, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK review

Hello Zanhe, how are you? I trust all is well. I have recently created an article about a film which was nominated for DYK. So, I thought if you can help review. The nom page is here. Infinite thanks. Jim Carter 15:32, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jim Cartar, I've been trying to access gomolo.com, the main source for the article, but it keeps timing out. Is it just me or something wrong with the website? -Zanhe (talk) 05:15, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

No the website was opening when I, Philg88, MelanieN and Mogism were trying. Which browser are you using? Try another browser please. Jim Carter 06:51, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Can you access gomolo now?? Jim Carter 09:52, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

It works now, don't know why. I'm a bit busy this weekend, will take a look in a couple days or so. -Zanhe (talk) 07:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

No rush. And thank you friend. Jim Carter 14:15, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I have addressed the issues. Please re-review. Thanks. Jim Carter 08:01, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much friend for the re-review. Jim Carter 09:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

You're very welcome, and thanks for your diligent effort finding sources. -Zanhe (talk) 02:18, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Dharmadhyaksha has proposed another hook. Please take a look. Infinite thanks. Jim Carter 13:17, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Jim Cartar, there's a problem with the new hook. See my comment at the nom page. -Zanhe (talk) 03:25, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK assistance

Hey my friend, long time no speak! Hope all is well. If you have a moment, please can you take a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Albert Heard and give your thoughts? I've never come across this as part of a DYK before so I'd appreciate your judgement. Cheers,  Philg88  08:23, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

See my reply at the nom page. -Zanhe (talk) 07:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for that. I have no doubt that he is notable, but you know as well as I do how difficult it can be find sources proving it. Hopefully someone will now process the DYK submission. Thanks again and if I can reciprocate then don't hesitate to ask. Best,  Philg88  07:25, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

No need to reciprocate. Just keep writing interesting new articles for my reading pleasure :) -Zanhe (talk) 04:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

It will be my pleasure :)  Philg88  04:19, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

WT:DYK hook discussion

FYI: A discussion about the hook for Lang Jingshan is going on at WT:DYK. Yoninah (talk) 15:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Names

According to Google, the authors of this article are Yan Ping and Bai Ying. Can you confirm if this is correct, or if Google is screwing with me? (Used in List of accolades received by Departures) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:47, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, Google translate is actually correct. I'm impressed. -Zanhe (talk) 02:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

• As am I. Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Sad, but true ...

I'm amazed that the stuff you removed was added in July 2012 without a supporting reference, and it sat there for 2 years before someone actually added one! (At which point it became obvious that it should never have been put there in the first place ... ) 2 years!! Pdfpdf (talk) 14:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Pdfpdf, I know, too many POV pushers and too few people sticking with neutral sources. Thanks for your effort improving the related articles! -Zanhe (talk) 02:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Lang Jingshan

On 11 June 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lang Jingshan, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Lang Jingshan was the first Chinese art photographer to use nude models (earliest photo pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lang Jingshan. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism at World's largest municipalities by population

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did at World's largest municipalities by population, you may be blocked from editing. This article was blanked by you on 12 June 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BsBsBs (talk • contribs)

Please stop abusing the vandalism templates, which you also did on the talk page of Someone the Person. Implementing an AfD decision is not disruptive editing, but your obstruction of the implementation is. -Zanhe (talk) 05:05, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, basically, you are correct. However, life is rarely that simple ...

Yes, I had a similar reaction to yours regarding hatnotes are for articles with similar names, but I draw to your attention that "similar" might have a MUCH wider definition than you have considered. For example, in the sense that they are all "archipelagos in the South China Sea", there are about 5 names that satisfy this, of which the Paracels and the Spratlys are but two.
In principal, I agree with your edit. In practice, I fear that it's not that easily defined, and hence, before I express a further opinion, I'd like to read what you have to say on the matter (of non-similar names referring to possibly "similar" (whatever that might mean) circumstance. Thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 17:50, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I see your point, and agree that some people may confuse the Spratlys with the Paracels as they are both archipelagos in the South China Sea. Similarly, people may also confuse Sicily with Sardinia, Fiji with Tonga, and the dozens of countries in the Caribbean, but I don't think hatnotes are meant to prevent this type of potential confusion. -Zanhe (talk) 05:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Serial vandalism at World's largest municipalities by population

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did at World's largest municipalities by population, you may be blocked from editing. This article was blanked by you again on 13 June 2014 after a warning was issued on 12 June 2014 BsBsBs (talk) 08:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

You chose to ignore my warning against abusing the vandalism notices. I hope you've now learned your lesson after this and this. -Zanhe (talk) 23:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, I know you're above gravedancing. :) The good news is that he's agreed to a topic ban if he's unblocked. Now, I trust that the article will find an appropriate fate. Let's work together to help wrap up this bone in our throats. It's time to get this one fixed. Thank you again for your patience in all of this. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

You can't imagine how much abuse I received from him over the years. Besides the latest vandalism accusations, he's accused me of racism and of conspiring to fudge numbers. I know I'm just one of several editors who stopped actively maintaining the city lists out of frustration. He seemed to be exhausted himself from being opposed by virtually everybody else, but just couldn't stop. I'm not against unblocking him if he agrees to a topic ban, which is probably the best for everyone involved. -Zanhe (talk) 00:10, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Zhang Shichuan

On 14 June 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zhang Shichuan, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Zhang Shichuan made China's first feature film, first martial arts film, and first sound film? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zhang Shichuan. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Re-review

Please re-review this one. Thanks, Jim Carter 14:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. -Zanhe (talk) 00:40, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Seeking advice

Greetings from Chinese Misplaced Pages. I have translated the article The Jakarta Post into Chinese, but there is a user (now banned as he used several sock puppets to disturb the functioning of zhwp; mentioned as that man below) arguing about the translation, thus opposed the attempt of GA candidacy. I've discussed the issue with Crisco 1492, the article's main editor, and we have made effort for the issues' resolving. Here's summary of our talk:

1. In the original article, it is said that when the Post was founded, staffs need to use a pica pole as the straightedge. That man argues that in this situation, a straightedge means a tool with an edge free from curves with no equally spaced markings along its length, making the sentence irrational. I don't agree with his saying, thus not changing the sentence. In our discussion, Crisco point out that straightedge = ruler (give or take). Since then, the sentence haven't changed.
2. In the article mentioned above, it's said that "English favouring the active voice and direct statements, while respectful Indonesian favours the passive voice and a circuitous approach." That man argues that in this situation, "respectful Indonesian" means elegant/prestigious way of Indonesian writing. But I have noticed an article about a televised debate between Mr. Joko Widodo and Mr. Prabowo Subianto (both candidates in the upcoming Indonesian presidential election) by Lianhe Zaobao, a Singapore-based Chinese paper. In the article, it stated that a typical style for a Javanese to speak is humble, just like what Jokowi did. So, I think that it is quite contradictory between that man's comment and the article's content. I prefer to adopt the article's speech, i.e. "respectful Indonesian" = "humble way of Indonesian writing". Crisco suggested that "respectful Indonesian" can be translated into some Chinese means "Indonesians showing respect" or sth similar.
3. In the same article, it quoted the speech of Mr. Jusuf Wanandi: "You cannot bullshit in English, like the Javanese way." That man argued again, this time point out the word "bullshit" means chatting, not lying nor having a bad intend. Crisco said that the phrase "bullshit" doesn't means as "lying" nor "chatting". He suggests that the phrase is using a certain phrasing to imply that you'll do something, but not doing it (a favourite tactic of Indonesians who want to stall... "akan dikerjakan" ("it will be worked on"). I look at the original version of the Chinese translation again. The original translation of the phrase "bullshit" means "boasting", "lying" or "chatting", and the revised translation only means "chatting". For the meaning of not doing what he promised to do, there are several idioms on it, roughly translated as "what one say and do is not the same" and "saying, then not fulfill the promise". However, as I know, they are used as adjectives. If the original translation (boasting/chatting/lying) is used, it may makes contradiction, as I have translated the word "respectful" as a Chinese word means "humble".

I appreciate your contributions on China-related articles, as I once noticed that your article was on DYK column and the article is well-written. Crisco also acknowledged your well understanding of Chinese nuance, thus ask me to seek advice from you. I would be grateful if you can give me some useful advice on these issues, comment on whether our explanation is correct, and help for the translation. Much thanks, Spring Roll Conan ( Talk · Contributions ) 11:37, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Spring Roll Conan, this is a completely unfamiliar subject to me. I'll need some time to read both the English and Chinese articles, as well as the sources, and get back to you later. Hope that's ok. -Zanhe (talk) 00:43, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

春卷柯南, sorry about the delay. I took a look at the article and your translation (well done, by the way), but unfortunately I cannot access the main source (Tarrant 2008). I agree with the your translation of straightedge as 直尺. Wikidata apparently thinks so too. As for "respectful Indonesian", I suggest translating it as 禮貌的印尼語. From my understanding, the humble voice is simply the normal polite speech of Malay/Indonesian. "You cannot bullshit in English, like the Javanese way" is the hardest to translate. Without access to the original context, it's hard to determine what he means exactly by "bullshit" here. However, I don't think this sentence is essential to the article, and not much is lost if you just omit it altogether. If you really want to include it, just follow Crisco's interpretation. -Zanhe (talk) 20:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I recall seeing "straightedge" as a translation of 直尺 somewhere. MDBG has it as "straight ruler", but that smacks of Chinglish. As for the nuance, I can't comment – Hainan yes, but Indonesia is a bit beyond my geographic sphere. Just my 2 RMB worth.  Philg88  21:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Kong Yingda

On 19 June 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kong Yingda, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Kong Yingda, one of the most influential Confucian scholars, was said to be a 32nd-generation descendant of Confucius? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kong Yingda. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Calendar conversion

How to convert from Chinese calendar to Western calendar during BCE, e.g. Liu Bang died on 1 June 195 BC (四月甲辰 in Book of Han).--123.27.169.178 (talk) 03:38, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Academia Sinica has a tool at http://sinocal.sinica.edu.tw/ that converts dates from Chinese to Western calendar. It works from late Western Han and afterward. Zhou dynasty calendars are far more complicated and not supported by the tool. For dates not supported, you'll just have to find a modern academic source that has already done the conversion. -Zanhe (talk) 07:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

AN/I

Mind taking a look and lifting the barrage? Thanks much "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee " 23:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)