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::::::*Striking my personal comments. Sorry for losing my temper at the repeated accusations. ] (]) 20:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC) ::::::*Striking my personal comments. Sorry for losing my temper at the repeated accusations. ] (]) 20:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment from nominator''' To summarize for any admins perusing this discussion for closing; despite the excessive verbiage, there have been two !votes for keep, and <s>two</s> three !votes for delete -- including my nom. The seeming extra keep arguments are all from the same user using several IPs and logged in once as well. I'm unsure that consensus is clear here, I'd ask for an extension of discussion. Thank you. ] (]) 00:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC) *'''Comment from nominator''' To summarize for any admins perusing this discussion for closing; despite the excessive verbiage, there have been two !votes for keep, and <s>two</s> three !votes for delete -- including my nom. The seeming extra keep arguments are all from the same user using several IPs and logged in once as well. I'm unsure that consensus is clear here, I'd ask for an extension of discussion. Thank you. ] (]) 00:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

::* ] admits that this is a temper-driven nomination. He then violates the terms of not identifying a contributor. He is clearly biased and his nomination is a temper-driven harassment, by his own admission. I urge him to be blocked from ] and this discussion. This is really a sad example of what Misplaced Pages can be. ] (]) 18:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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Ari Teman

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Former failed PROD. Subject fails WP:BIO. He's won a couple non-notable awards for founding JCorps. Only news coverage comes from the AirBnB sex party and from the 2014 defamation lawsuit, the latter which keeps getting quietly deleted from the article. Reads more like a promotional C.V. than a biography, but maintenance tags to that point also keep getting deleted. Even the images associated with the article are not properly attributed, unless one assumes they were uploaded by Mr Teman himself, which brings up major WP:COI issues as the uploader is the article's main author. Ashanda (talk) 14:08, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

  • First, this has been addressed previously and previous nominations for deletion have been ruled against. Secondly, there are hundreds of press articles about Teman, not including ones on the AirBNB story, covering his comedy, entrepreneurship, activism, and technological innovations. Teman has (1) been featured in major press nationally and internationally (2) founded two international conferences (taking place in the USA and Canada), attended by over 5200 and featured on TED as "Best of the Web" and recognized by major press in those industries (3) was recognized by The White House for founding JCorps (this is sourced and is public information as are all White House guests and honorees) (4) founded GatherGrid which was also featured in Inc and is used by thousands. The photos uploaded are public record and used in multiple news articles covering Teman. Being recognized by The White House, Mayor Bloomberg, and by the Jewish Federations of North America (151 sub chapters, and over 570,000 votes in the competition) are all notable awards, as is being in a TV show with Stephen Fry on the BBC. This is getting to be a bit much and it is undoubtedly the work of a rather unsavory stalker as discussed on the Talk page of Ari Teman. 137.63.63.54 (talk) 15:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
  • @137.63.63.54: If you could please provide the link to where this previous discussion took place, I would appreciate reading it. Also, be careful -- your final statements border on violating the No personal attacks policy. Thank you. Ashanda (talk) 16:58, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
  • There goes Ari, editing his own article, this time he chose a new IP, right after his old one (173.56.18.121) was blocked. And of course Ari himself fails to give credit to a co-founder of one of his conferences, cites among his accomplishments that a publication thought two of his jokes were funny, removes clear evidence that the $25,000 prize did not go to charity, removes two well sourced lawsuits against him, states that he earned honors in college but provides no evidence, tells the audience about each award he receives three times in his own article, etc. etc. etc. Maybe he is sufficiently notable, but for his notoriety rather than his accomplishments. Most recent non-Ari edited version of the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ari_Teman&oldid=614713613 ArtTenak (talk) 16:10, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
  • @ArtTenak: Please do not engage in personal attacks. Stick to the subject of this discussion, which is whether or not this article is notable enough for retention in the encyclopedia. Thank you. Ashanda (talk) 16:58, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Well I guess it is no surprise that the website says exactly what the organization wants to say, but it is clearly then not a third party source. Is gizmodo.in a sufficient source for Misplaced Pages? Is an article about a Freakfest the place where the Freakfest article's author would verify the founding of a conference?ArtTenak (talk) 22:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
  • 12gurus has been in business since far before NextGen and has NJ incorporation papers establishing that it existed years before the NextGen conferences. These are public record.137.63.63.30 (talk) 18:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
  • It's very clear that ArtTenak is (1) acting vindictively (2) violating both the rules against discussing contributor's identities and (3) violating WP:NPA.
  • The history of the page has multiple instances of this attack by the likely same person using fake aliases "KLetters", "ArtTenak" and IP addresses (see Talk page and Talk Page history).
  • The vandal has been blocked by admins, and is now working with suspicious accounts to suggest the deletion of an article on someone who runs multiple international organizations and covered by hundreds of press features. This is obviously an attack and not a valid edit or suggestion of non-notability.137.63.63.30 (talk) 18:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ari_Teman&oldid=600030341 and multiple other unregistered wikipedia users have made similar denied requests .
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Notability_(people) states the requirements: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Teman has been covered multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject (JCorps, GatherGrid, 12gurus Conferences, Comedy, Patents, AirBNB, Jewish Community Hero, White House, etc.) Additionally, "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times.
The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field." An international award, multiple other awards, and the creation of an ongoing international NGO all fulfill these requirements.
  • It is not a personal attack to state that someone (ArtTenak , who may be KLetters of previous clear vandalism) is vandalizing a page when they are doing so blatantly with false facts, and removing positive awards and facts. The motive is clear. 137.63.63.188 (talk) 19:55, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Being selected among thousands of comedians for only 1 spot, and with only about 40 selected yearly, in the biggest city in the world, in a publication read by over 2 million people is notable. 137.63.63.65 (talk) 23:01, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Why doesn't the person who is so very interested in Ari's Misplaced Pages page create an account for himself instead of posting from an anonymous IP address?ArtTenak (talk) 20:35, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Ok, ArtTenak, who are you? Real name, why are you "so very interested in Ari's Misplaced Pages page"? You seem to have an avid interest in Jonah Halper as well. 137.63.63.65 (talk) 23:01, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Why is the fact that someone rented the subject's apartment for a weekend and that it was written about in The New York Post a notable accomplishment of the article's subject? ArtTenak (talk) 20:38, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
  • It was the #1 story on the internet, feature in over 93 publications, from the NYTimes (today's edition), LA Times, Time, Today Show, Howard, Fox, CBS, ABC, Fusion, PIX, and on TV and press in China, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Ireland, Englad, France...I can keep going... 93 is a lot. Clearly all those publications and media thought it was notable. 137.63.63.65 (talk) 23:01, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Does that make it a notable accomplishment of the article subject? Wouldn't the article subject be better citing his notable actions rather than a notable mistake in which he became an unwitting facilitator of a sex party?ArtTenak (talk) 22:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm not a predecessed by any account. Stop the personal attacks and accusations unless you wish to disclose your real name or have it disclosed via lawsuit. If I were the subject, I'd subpoena your identity in a defamation suit, and likely add Ashanda given the accusation of non-notability is clearly damaging and false, that is: defamation. 137.63.63.65 (talk) 23:01, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
  • You deny you are 173.56.18.121?ArtTenak (talk) 22:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
  • But it's good that 173.56.18.121 and 137.63.63.65 are not Ari Teman. 137.63.63.65 in particular might want to talk to Ari before threatening a lawsuit on Ari's behalf, given all of the lawsuits that Ari has already been party to, including the one we learned about at the top of the page. Ari probably doesn't need the headache of a new lawsuit. But maybe he does, all press is good press, right?ArtTenak (talk) 22:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
  • This venue is for discussion of whether or not to delete this article only. Content disputes should be kept to the article's own talk page. If you both continue your disruptive editing, you may both be sanctioned. Stop now. Also, do not place your replies into the middle of other editors' posts, it makes the discussion impossible to follow. Ashanda (talk) 22:28, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:19, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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  • It's obvious given the number of categories for which this has been included that the subject has done multiple notable things and this has become a silly, obvious attack by some sort of vindictive vandal. Nominating someone who has been recognized by multiple organizations, including The White House, Jewish Federations, and hundreds of publications (including ones like Inc, NY Times, Time, LA TImes, in addition to many local and regional, Jewish and non-Jewish papers) for deletion says more about Misplaced Pages and its use as a tool to harass, defame, and bully a person than it does about the subject, Ari Teman. Note that Mr. Teman has multiple patents, so notable, in fact, they've been cited by Google in their own later IP: http://www.google.com/patents/US20090248806#forward-citations . So there we have for a single individual notable achievements in: technology, business, social activism, books, awards, comedy, and the #1 trending story on the internet. Really, are we having a discussion about notability? This is bullying. Obvious, childish, bullying that earned Misplaced Pages a reputation from which it has long tried to distance itself. Shame. Instead of stopping the obvious vandals making false accusations of porn, fictional founders, racism, etc., you're enabling the attack. I vote to end this discusson now. There is only one voice. 137.63.63.65 (talk) 23:01, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
(Personal attack removed) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:29, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep Subject has in depth coverage needed for notability, as well as having won multiple awards, and being CEO of multiple organizations. Also, this discussion was not begun until someone was sued for using the editing of this article to defame the subject. Here is a **sample** of in depth TV and print coverage, there are over 100 more articles and appearances:
  • Comment If those involved in the alleged lawsuit care so much about what it says on a particular wikipedia page at a particular time, they will take time to make sure to create a record of that. We should not alter policies or procedures to aid people involved in lawsuits who cannot be bothered to make a copy of the page as it is when they allege defamantion, a very easy things to do.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:51, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete. WP:TOOSOON, fails WP:BIO. Sam Sailor 10:37, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep : Individual has articles in the press for over 10 years, has run three international organizations (each with thousands of members) in the press as far back as 2007, was covered in the press for his interaction with Barack Obama (that photo mysteriously deleted from page, needs to be re-added, as it's in public domain), has won multiple awards, holds patents (cited by Google, too). Thus "WP:TOOSOON" doesn't apply since he's already accomplished these things and been noted for them in multiple RS. WP:BIO is answered by user:Shawn in Montreal correctly: "We do have enough non-minor coverage, for me. My rule of thumb is at least 3 RS, which we have in the NY Post, J Post & Inc. magazine articles alone." And another 100+ articles. NYClay770 (talk) 16:32, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
  • KeepAs Shawn in Montreal said, "We do have enough non-minor coverage... Multiple RS, which we have in the NY Post, J Post & Inc. magazine" (plus as of this week: NY Times). However, I am asking the administrators here to view the ArtTenak page and consider a full ban given repeated violations (3 reverts, uncited sources, defamatory langauge) and that it's clearly solely dedicated to bash Mr. Teman. Also to increase protection on this page to not allow auto-approvals. I'm sure a review of the subject headings created by ArtTenak will be seen clearly for what they are. Please revert to last accepted revision before ArtTenak. NYClay770 (talk) 14:59, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
  • UPDATE: repeated vandal user:ArtTenak has been banned by Misplaced Pages Admin for " (Disruptive editing: Single purpose account engaging in persistent tendentious editing, BLP-issues and edit warring on Ari Teman)".
  • Given that user:ArtTenak was the sole driver of the Deletion request, has been acknowledged to be in violation, and the majority of votes are Keep (citing over 10 RS including NY Times, Inc, JPost, BBC, Today Show, etc), I ask that the deletion request be removed as it is disparaging to Ari Teman. NYClay770 (talk) 16:32, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
  • This Afd should run its course. What's more you appear to be a WP:SPA editor and the closing admin will certainly take that into account. I'm !voting keep, but this process works by consensus and the blocked editor is not the only deletion !vote. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:46, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
  • "Sole driver"? How about the person who nominated it in the first place? You accuse me of sockpuppettry, then go on to admit it yourself. I'm happy to submit to a WP:CHECKUSER, are you? How's the weather in the Seychelles, or are you still using the NYC FiOS account to access an WP:OPENPROXY? The sad thing is that if you had calmly argued your case, you had a decent chance of winning it, but by wildly violating multiple policies, you're certainly not winning any friends. So, no, I DO NOT withdraw this nomination. Thank you. Ashanda (talk) 18:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment from nominator To summarize for any admins perusing this discussion for closing; despite the excessive verbiage, there have been two !votes for keep, and two three !votes for delete -- including my nom. The seeming extra keep arguments are all from the same user using several IPs and logged in once as well. I'm unsure that consensus is clear here, I'd ask for an extension of discussion. Thank you. Ashanda (talk) 00:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
  • user:Ashanda admits that this is a temper-driven nomination. He then violates the terms of not identifying a contributor. He is clearly biased and his nomination is a temper-driven harassment, by his own admission. I urge him to be blocked from Ari Teman and this discussion. This is really a sad example of what Misplaced Pages can be. NYClay770 (talk) 18:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 19:34, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Really: all of it? The Jerusalem Post feature, for one, is neither "old," nor about any of those topics. Also, per WP:N#TEMP and WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP, "old information" doesn't seem to me to be a reason to delete. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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