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Notability

Viewing the sources currently referenced, LBI doesn't appear to meet Misplaced Pages's notability criteria for organizations. The only reliable secondary sources that are referenced are the Las Vegas Review-Journal and Governing. In both of these cases LBI is only mentioned in passing. This is what is referred to in WP:ORG as "trivial or incidental coverage.

It is true that Ballotpedia is gets substantial coverage in some of the referenced sources, but Ballotpedia already has its own page. Perhaps LBI and Ballotpedia (and Judgepedia) should be merged. But as this article stands now LBI does not merit its own independent article. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:43, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Recommend merging Ballotpedia & Judgepedia to this page with redirects. Perhaps WP:BLARs will work. – S. Rich (talk) 03:46, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

A merge of Ballotpedia and Judgepedia to the Lucy Burns Institute page, along with appropriate redirects, would work. Although I do believe the Lucy Burns Institute has standalone notability, as evidenced by the numerous sources I've added to the article, including a Politico article which states that is based off of an article written by the "nonprofit, nonpartisan Lucy Burns Institute." Schematica (talk) 04:38, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Update: I've requested comment on this matter (see below). I'm not so sure a redirect is the best option here, given the fact that it does seem to me that the Lucy Burns Institute meets the notability test apart from Ballotpedia and Judgepedia. Schematica (talk) 06:10, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Schematica, I can't figure out what you want. You say LBI meets notability standards, but you post an RFC on the question. You say a merger of Judge- & Ballot-pedias to this page would work, and then say redirects would not work. And then you start an AFD on Judgeapedia. Next you add the NYT reference to Judgepedia, indicating its notability. If we are to merge the articles, e.g., Judgepedia into LBI, we incorporate the Judgepedia stuff here, blank the Judgeapedia page, and use it for a redirect. (See: WP:BLAR.) But you are splitting the discussions into to different forums: Judgeapedia talk, the AFD, and here. It's too confusing for me (and I think other editors.) – S. Rich (talk) 19:10, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for the feedback. I am new here and unsure of proper protocol in this situation. I originally said a merge would work because it seems like it would be reasonable to consolidate the articles. However, after finding more sources, I determined that the Lucy Burns Institute has what I believe to be, based on the sources, stand alone notability. So I changed my mind about the redirect. My frustration here is that on this page and also Judgepedia, I keep adding more and more sources, and the notability tag keeps getting re-added. My point is, either delete or redirect, or get those tags off. If there's no edits I can make that can satisfy other editors desire for notability, then let's not keep the page with the notability tag on it. It's disingenuous. Schematica (talk) 19:21, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Does the Lucy Burns Institute meet Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies)? Schematica (talk) 06:08, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Reliability of sources

This Reason source and this OpenLawLab source aren't reliable per WP:BLOGS. These aren't newsblogs. Schematica, please explain why you believe these sources are reliable. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 08:13, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's reliable source policy requires "inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations." You've repeatedly removed the content "The Lucy Burns Institute publishes a website called Policypedia," and "The Lucy Burns Institute published a guide on local ballot measures" despite my efforts at inserting multiple references to verify these facts. Are these facts that are "likely to be challenged?" Morever, per WP:CONTEXTMATTERS, "Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Misplaced Pages article and is an appropriate source for that content." We're not trying to say "the sky is green" or "2+2=5." These are very simple, non-controversial statements. The sources I've gathered are perfectly sufficient for verifying the facts that they have been attached to in this article.

• Publication of a website called Policypedia:
  • Reason Foundation "At the end of June 2014, the Lucy Burns Institute, a nonpartisan and nonprofit organization dedicated to fairness and openness in politics headquartered in Madison, Wisconsin, launched Policypedia." The claim is "The Lucy Burns Institute publishes Policypedia." This source verifies that claim.

• Publication of a ballot measure guide book:
  • Election Law Blog by Richard L. Hasen Here we have a noted law professor writing that the Lucy Burns Institute published a ballot measure guide book.
  • KMED A radio segment discussing the book
  • Watchdog.org an article about the guide book

These sources seem satisfactory to me for the claims they are intended to prove in the article. Schematica (talk) 15:36, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

First off, I didn't remove the content. I removed the Reason and OpenLawLab sources, and I did so based on WP:BLOGS. Reliability certainly runs on a spectrum, but WP:BLOGS clearly indicates that non-news blogs (such as these) are not reliable. They simply can't be cited for the facts they contain, period. If you feel that sourcing isn't required for the content because it's like saying "the sky is blue" then that's another matter beyond the scope of this discussion. Likewise for the other sources you mention. (I'll note, however, that the Election Law Blog runs afoul of WP:BLOGS as well and Watchdog.org is run by the subject of this article so it should only be cited in accordance with WP:ABOUTSELF.) --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Watchdog.org is run by the subject of this article? Do you have a source for that? Schematica (talk) 18:50, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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