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| == Flow test page == | |||
| Hi everyone -- | |||
| I'm Danny, a Product Manager at WMF, and I'm working on the new discussion system, known as Flow. I've been talking to ] about the Teahouse for a little while, and there was a conversation about it here in June. I'd like to see if you'd be interested in checking out at the current version of Flow on a test page, and helping us to shape the new system into something that's worth using on Teahouse/Questions. | |||
| The goal for the feature is to make wiki discussions more accessible for new users, and more efficient for experienced users. The Teahouse is a really important meeting point for new and experienced people, and there are some features in the system that I think could help both groups. | |||
| We've put up a test board on ], so you can try it out and see how it works. I think the biggest advantage for both new and experienced users is the notifications system, where users can just follow the conversations that they're a part of, and tune out the discussions that they're not interested in. Each individual discussion has its own watch star, and you can choose which conversations you want to subscribe to. When there's a reply, you get a notification in Echo that brings you back to the conversation, with the new messages highlighted. | |||
| Now, the feature is still in active development, so there are a lot of pieces that we haven't built yet. For example, we're working on a Table of Contents for the Flow board, and an in-page Search feature. We're also revising some of the elements that currently exist -- for example, right now you can't edit other users' messages. That's not really the wiki style, so we're going to make everything editable -- with a clearer signal when somebody's edited a message, and a link to the history. | |||
| So I'm not actually expecting everyone here to say that it's perfect, and we should put it on Questions by the end of the day. :) My goal right now is to find out what you think about the system so far, and what changes you'd want to make. Teahouse hosts know a lot about where new people trip up, and how to make them feel comfortable. What do you think? ] (]) | |||
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Hello everyone, I'm Callanecc, an administrator on account creation interface. Recently, our project has had an increased backlog in getting accounts for new users. Our numbers are currently over 250 people waiting for accounts on the English Misplaced Pages. If you could even spare a moment to do a few requests a day to help us clear this backlog, that would go a long way to encouraging new editors to participate with an account. If this interests you and you're willing to help, and you match the following description, then please do apply! Ideal users are:
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Soka Gakkai
Strange request this may be, but could anyone get rid of the References on above mentioned talk page? It’s highly unusual and disturbing when contributing. Not used to that on a talk page.--Catflap08 (talk) 19:57, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Problem solved --Catflap08 (talk) 20:08, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry not solved it puzzles me--Catflap08 (talk) 20:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- The same thing happened to me earlier today on a different talk page. I couldn't get rid of a list of references on the bottom of a comment, either, and finally just left a message asking people to ignore them. The problem is that I can't see them in edit mode, only when I save the comment do they pop up. I hope someone who knows which end is up responds to your request. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 02:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- This has happened to me again in several more Talk page posts, but not in all posts. Twice, there has been a short list of "references", but usually, at the end of the comment, there is a "1" with a caret "^", exactly like a blank reference number 1. What am I doing wrong these times when "references" appear at the bottom of my comments? When editing the comment or previewing the post, before clicking Save, I cannot see that such stray references will turn up, only after I save the comment - then there they are. But as I said, not every time I post a comment. (It didn't happen above, for example.) Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 17:21, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Note to all hosts
Hi. I've noticed that lately a few hosts are linking to very lengthy and technical pages such as (WP:NPOV, WP:NOTE, WP:RS, etc.) without attempting to really explain these pages simply. Can everyone try to minimize this behavior, please? The Teahouse is supposed to be a newbie-friendly board, but 5,000-word policy pages aren't really newbie-friendly. It's also quite possible that many of the people asking questions here have already found their way to these and failed to understand them. Misplaced Pages:Teahouse/Host lounge/Expectations, especially points 3 and 4, also explain what I'm trying to say here. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should never link to policies. Presenting them as further reading after explaining the relevant parts in newbie-friendly language is fine. So is linking to guides that were specifically made for newbies (such as Yunshui's series of "for beginners" essays). Just linking to policies and/or regurgitating the contents of highly technical essays should be avoided. On a related note, just welcoming newbies who come here (as I've seen some hosts do once in a while) also isn't as likely to be helpful as just answering the question. Perhaps a way to fix this would be to make the page on host expectations more prominent. What are your thoughts on any of this? --Jakob (talk) 00:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reminder, Jakob. You are correct that it is always best to write a brief one or two sentence summary of a policy or guideline, but it is also useful to link to the longer guideline. As for the presumption that someone already found a lengthy document and was confused by it - well, yes, that's always possible but shouldn't be assumed. If someone says, "I was confused by this page", then of course, we should try to simplify that specific page. As for greeting people, a greeting without a substantive answer is not a good idea. But adding a friendly greeting to a helpful answer is always a good thing. Cullen Let's discuss it 01:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- Jakob (talk · contribs): Where do I find the "Yunshui series of "for beginners" essays" of which you speak? "WP:Yunshui" and "WP:For beginners" meets with no success. The link to help pages at the bottom of your Project Page doesn't point to any pages by that name, either. Thank you for your time and help, Wordreader (talk) 02:41, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you, Jakob. Finding what I want on WP's technical side by searching what I think the topic might be called is THE biggest problem I have here at this site. I appreciate your time, Wordreader (talk) 17:34, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Visual editor
I just realised that many of the answers we have given (certainly that I have given) have assumed that the guest is using the source editor. Explaining these things with the visual editor - I don't have the first idea how I copy an infobox from one article to another, or fix a list so that there are no gaps to upset screen-readers.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:22, 13 August 2014 (UTC).
Talkback script now obsolete?
Since we can now use the {{ping}} function to let people know we've answered their question at the Teahouse, should we deprecate the use of the "talkback" procedure, and instead recommend that people use "ping" instead? Just an idea. --Jayron32 20:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Jayron32: User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/autoping.js may be more to your liking, then. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
pawak
Can this user be reprimanded re his threatening and patronizing language please— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.248.212 (talk • contribs)
Flow
The people from WMF who are creating WP:Flow are considering to use Misplaced Pages:Teahouse/Questions as one of a handful of pages where Flow may get enabled this month (as described in the roadmap on the Flow page). I thought it would be best if people here were aw<are of that possibility before it is actually definitely decided, and can give their input about whether having a different unfinished talk page format for this page is helpful for users with problems and questions. Fram (talk) 09:06, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
- The current talkpage system is not confusing and bizarrely counter-intuitive. Flow is. Therefore, flow should be avoided at all costs since this page is newbie-friendly. --Jakob (talk) 11:30, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
- This is not the place to test Flow. IMO, no place is, but definitely not this newbie-friendly page. --AmaryllisGardener 12:46, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
- Fram posted some similar announcements in other places, I think? Not sure when Fram started working on behalf of WMF to post such announcements, but in one of the other places Fram posted such an announcement, someone from WMF popped up clarifying the situation and making clear that it was not as Fram described. Fram, are you informing the relevant people at WMF of everywhere you are posting these announcements? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:19, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
- Any diffs for your rather malinformed statements? I don't work on behalf of the WMF, never pretended I did. I did not post in other places, I posted in one other place, Misplaced Pages talk:Co-op, where I got a reply from a non-WMF editor; no one from the WMF "popped up" there. Nothing I posted has been shown to be incorrect, what has been said is that the roadmap posted by the WMF is at best a few months off. Can you please take your nonsense somewhere else? Fram (talk) 06:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
- Fram posted some similar announcements in other places, I think? Not sure when Fram started working on behalf of WMF to post such announcements, but in one of the other places Fram posted such an announcement, someone from WMF popped up clarifying the situation and making clear that it was not as Fram described. Fram, are you informing the relevant people at WMF of everywhere you are posting these announcements? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:19, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
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Kaitybah (talk) 17:54, 3 September 2014 (UTC) Thanks for the warm welcome
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 18:13, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Flow test page
Hi everyone --
I'm Danny, a Product Manager at WMF, and I'm working on the new discussion system, known as Flow. I've been talking to Heather about the Teahouse for a little while, and there was a conversation about it here in June. I'd like to see if you'd be interested in checking out at the current version of Flow on a test page, and helping us to shape the new system into something that's worth using on Teahouse/Questions.
The goal for the feature is to make wiki discussions more accessible for new users, and more efficient for experienced users. The Teahouse is a really important meeting point for new and experienced people, and there are some features in the system that I think could help both groups.
We've put up a test board on Teahouse/Questions/Flow test, so you can try it out and see how it works. I think the biggest advantage for both new and experienced users is the notifications system, where users can just follow the conversations that they're a part of, and tune out the discussions that they're not interested in. Each individual discussion has its own watch star, and you can choose which conversations you want to subscribe to. When there's a reply, you get a notification in Echo that brings you back to the conversation, with the new messages highlighted.
Now, the feature is still in active development, so there are a lot of pieces that we haven't built yet. For example, we're working on a Table of Contents for the Flow board, and an in-page Search feature. We're also revising some of the elements that currently exist -- for example, right now you can't edit other users' messages. That's not really the wiki style, so we're going to make everything editable -- with a clearer signal when somebody's edited a message, and a link to the history.
So I'm not actually expecting everyone here to say that it's perfect, and we should put it on Questions by the end of the day. :) My goal right now is to find out what you think about the system so far, and what changes you'd want to make. Teahouse hosts know a lot about where new people trip up, and how to make them feel comfortable. What do you think? DannyH (WMF) (talk)
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