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As an expert on Northern Cyprus and Eastern Mediterranean, I have edits in all of the following Misplaced Pages pages since 2010:
Northern Cyprus, Talk:Northern Cyprus, ‎Turkey
Politics: Foreign relations of Northern Cyprus‎, Cyprus dispute, Cypriot intercommunal violence, United Nations Security Council Resolution 541, 2014 Cyprus Joint Declaration, Human rights in Northern Cyprus, Exclusive economic zone, Mediterranean Oil Dispute‎, Military of Northern Cyprus, List of Republics
Demography: Population transfer, Population exchange between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, Cypriot refugees, Template:PopulationChartUnder1m, List of countries by population, List of sovereign states and dependent territories by population density,
Locations: Mediterranean Sea, Template:Municipalities of Northern Cyprus, Kyrenia, Güzelyurt District, Morphou, Famagusta, Trikomo, Cyprus, Ayios Andronikos, Cyprus, Ayios Seryios, Cyprus, Lefka, Karpass Peninsula, Bellapais
Transportation: Ercan International Airport, Nicosia International Airport
Education: Education in Northern Cyprus, Middle East Technical University Northern Cyprus Campus, Cyprus International University, University of Kyrenia
Sports: Sport in Northern Cyprus, World Pool-Billiard Association, European Pocket Billiard Federation, European Cyclists' Federation, Paragliding, Professional Football Leagues
Geography: List of countries by easternmost point, Pentadaktylos, List of countries by highest point, List of islands of Northern Cyprus, List of islands#Europe
Culture: List of top international rankings by country, Bayrak (TV Channel of Northern Cyprus)
Religion: Religions by country, Religion in Europe, Religion in Northern Cyprus
Tourism: Tourism in Northern Cyprus
Others: North Cyprus Red Crescent Society, Misplaced Pages talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 November 26 ‎ (Is Northern Cyprus a Eurasian country?), Cittaslow
Files: Long Beach Trikomo.jpg

Greek leader

Would you be able to confirm that T/c media (Bayrak) refer to the G/c leader simply as the "Greek leader"? Ta 62.228.170.218 (talk) 20:54, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I sourced in the relevant article.Alexyflemming (talk) 06:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014

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I looked at DNSSTUFF and found that the owner of "northcyprusguide.net" is "Riverside Holiday Village, Alsancak, Kyrenia, Northern Cyprus". I will send the Hotel administration a permission request for the flora.
Alexyflemming (talk) 20:14, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Tourism in Northern Cyprus, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Δρ.Κ.  20:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

POV: Nope! Which part is POV (Point of View)? Did you ever see any sentence which I added without sourcing?

advert: Nope, "Tourism in X" articles, in its nature, has some sort of it. "T in NC" is not that excessive.

peacock: In what?

unreliable sources: Which source is unreliable? Did you ever read WP:RS?

Alexyflemming (talk) 20:08, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Northern Cyprus edits

I will complement you on doing a great job updating and expanding many Northern Cyprus-related articles.

I oppose, however, to your sneaky removal of links to Cyprus / Island of Cyprus / Republic of Cyprus, usually replacing them with links to Northern Cyprus, sometimes even making double or triple links to NC to avoid linking to the island of / Republic of Cyprus. I also notice that all your newly created articles about places in NC do not have any mentions at all about RoC, not even the de jure/de facto distinction. That is definitely POV editing.

I oppose also to your consistent removal of any mention of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, replacing any mention with "the events of 1974" or your new favorite "the hostilities of 1974". These euphemisms do not give any information to the user of Misplaced Pages, they only create questions: "Which events?", "Which hostilities?". You have also been removing many sourced descriptions of the local effects of the 1974 ínvasion. These edits are definitely disruptive POV edits.

In your edit summaries you never mention the removals and changes you do to the article content, you only mention additions of mayors, population figures etc., which are obviously good additions. The disruptive edits I have mentioned above are never mentioned (which is why I used the word "sneaky"). To make it even worse, you are using false edit summaries. When you remove a category you do not like with an edit summary "syntax", it is not only disruptive, it is plain dishonest.

In a week's time I will again be able to edit regularly in Misplaced Pages, and I will then begin to revert your POV edits. In the meantime you could help, by reverting your worst POV edits. If not, the least you can do is to refrain from any more POV edits with dishonest edit summaries.

I really think that it would be possible for us to work together to create a neutral (WP:NPOV) presentation of places in NC, but that would require that you are willing to accept that your personal POV is not necessarily the only way to describe the world. Regards! --T*U (talk) 04:33, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

The answer

compliment:

Thank you for your congratulations.

sneaky removal:

Nope! The "de jure: Cyprus" links and "Famagusta District", "Kyrenia District", "Nicosia District" categories still remains in the articles! See once more carefully please!

"Northern Cyprus" authorities, administrations etc. are the current ones in effect. Even those who add "mayor-in-exile" for Famagusta article is not me, but some neutral point of viewed Greek Cypriots!

That said, I protected "de jure: Cyprus" link in all of the articles I added.

all your newly created articles about places in NC do not have any mentions at all about RoC, not even the de jure/de facto distinction.:

Nobody opposes you in adding "de jure: Cyprus" link in newly added articles of Northern Cyprus. You can phrase "missing information", but not "POV editing". You can add them in a week's time when you are idle!

removal of any mention of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, replacing any mention with "the events of 1974" or "the hostilities of 1974":

United Nations's standard way of currently handling the issue is from neutral point of view always:

United Nations' Official WebsiteUNFICYP Mandate: "...Following the hostilities of 1974, ..."

The descriptions you qualify as "euphemisms" are used by United Nations.

The answers of "Which events?", "Which hostilities?":

Nobody opposes you to link the page you requested to answer these questions as long as you do not damage the neutral presentation of the article.

i.e. Using anybody's description of the events different than that neutral way of United Nations is POV.

Removing local descriptions..:

They mention forcefully expelling of Greek Cypriots to the south. However:

In November-December 1974, Denktas and Makarios agreed the voluntary moving of Greek Cypriots from some villages in the north to the south.

In August 1975, Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots agreed the "voluntary population exchange agreement" under the auspieces of United Nations and

many exhange were realized under the auspieces of United Nations.

Since this agreement was based on "voluntary moving the other side", thousands of people did not want to change their side, and remained where they are. For example,

Orthodox Greek Cypriots in Rizokarpaso, Agios Andronikos, Cyprus and Agia Triada, Cyprus and Catholic Maronite Cypriots in Asomatos, Karpasia, town and Kormakitis agreed to live under Turkish Cypriot administration and stayed in the north and Turkish Cypriots in Limassol agreed to live under Greek Cypriot administration and stayed in the south of the Cyprus island.

Those people and their descedents still live in 2014 in the places they chose in 1975! Hence, "forcefully eviction" or "depopulation" phrases are clearly POV. For the latter, the towns and villages, never depopulated. There were people in 1974 there and there were people in 1975 there as well.

The change in the ethnicity of the living beings were caused by the "voluntary population exchange agreement".

mayors, population figures etc., which are obviously good additions:

Even these ones are removed by some vandalists constantly, as happened many times in this articles. I hope there are enough people with common sense to protect them.

Though thousands of times I proved with links that the census in the north in 2011 was under the auspieces of United Nations and its observers, there are many users who vandalistically remove them.

When you remove a category you do not like with an edit summary "syntax", it is not only disruptive, it is plain dishonest.:

What if a category is completely dishonest in itself?!! Read above mentionings with "forcefully expelled, depopulated" etc.

The cities, towns, villages were never depopulated. There were always people in 1974, in 1975, in 1976, ..., in 2014 at these places. Any change caused by voluntary changing the sides.

If all of the Greek Cypriots in Kyrenia had wanted to stay in Kyrenia, they would have been living in Kyrenia now just as the Greek Cypriots in Rizokarpaso, Agios Andronikos, Cyprus and Agia Triada, Cyprus and Catholic Maronite Cypriots in Asomatos, Karpasia, town and Kormakitis !

I will then begin to revert your POV edits:

Do not be prejuidiced. Sit down and think thoroughly and let you analyze the facts first carefully. Read the sources of all three sides: those of Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots, the other third party ones like that of United Nations (especially UNFICYP).

Alexyflemming (talk) 08:09, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Z33 Δρ.Κ.  16:09, 27 September 2014 (UTC)