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Thanks SO much for all you have done. We will miss you! Peach12 Talk 13:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm not leaving the project, just the Board, so there's no reason to miss me. :) Angela. 17:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to hear you're stepping down from the Board, but I know you'll still be invaluable to the community in other ways. -- Zanimum 17:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to hear you're leaving the board, but very glad to hear that you'll still be around and involved! Thanks again for all your past help. Dovi 18:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh

Sorry, Angela I didn't know that. Talk to me on my talk anytime :) Peach12 Talk 19:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you give to a girl who has everything?

In recognition of your tireless service to the community as member of the Board of Trustees, I hereby present to you the Golden Wiki Award. Given that you already have pretty much all the barnstars, it came down to either this or the Sandwich of Exceptional Excellence ;-). I hope you will continue to participate in the Wikimedia projects for many years to come.--Eloquence* 23:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Just saw that you stepped down from the board - now noticed your move to Oz. Good luck, best wishes. Wizzy…☎ 18:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

<- <- Way overdue, much deserved. My respect. --Alf 17:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I wish her all the best in life! May God continue to bless her always! --Bhadani 12:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Name change

Hi. Angela, could I ask I recive a final name change once more..? I'd like to use my real name: User:Randall Brackett. -Zero 10:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, but for future reference, this should be requested at Misplaced Pages:Changing username. Angela. 11:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much! This is my final name change, though. I think when I first joined wikipedia and hadn't taken in mentorship I was much less mature and I think that username reflected that. I'm a serious wikipedian and so I think the usage of my name is now quite appropriate. And may I ask why you stepped down from the board...? I took note of the post a few headers above and it sparked my curiosity. -Randall Brackett 11:57, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

You can see my resignation at for some reasons. Angela. 12:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about the board

Angela: I am sorry to hear about your resignation. I know that you really wanted Misplaced Pages to be a very inclusionist place and, I think, even though the direction is shifting, that it will become so, just not in the way we might have once imagined. You know, I am just staring to read a new book:

• Who Controls the Internet? : Illusions of a Borderless World ISBN 0195152662

by Jack Goldsmith, Tim Wu. You might even want to visit with Prof. Goldsmith if you are going to Boston next month. He seems to have a lot of perspective about how these things work out and how ideals and reality sometimes collide in ways that nobody could predict. He has a really fascinating episode about Jon Postel and how Postel's ideals also ran into the reality how to reach common shared goals, but in a stable and reliable way. AWM -- 75.26.0.168 04:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

"Inclusionist" has multiple meanings on Misplaced Pages. I'm certainly not inclusionist in terms of articles, just of people and discussion, but my concerns were really related to the organisation, not to the project. Angela. 05:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I could not agree with you more. That is while I keep reminding Jimbo about the temporal length of his block and ban list. Look at this nonsense by your own former lover:

1. 09:20, 25 September 2003, Eloquence (Talk) blocked BuddhaInside (contribs) (infinite) (vandalism of Main Page, creating lots of nonsense pages, refusing to cooperate with the community)
2. 00:00, 20 June 2003, Eloquence (Talk) blocked Joe Canuck (contribs) (infinite) (Banned by Jimbo Wales; email jwales at bomis dot com to discuss the issue.)

Three years ago?!? And they are still hanging on to it...

That is why George Washington, in his farewell address, said :

• 37 Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

• 39 Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice

That's why we just celebrated the 4th of July here in the USA. You see? One cannot go hanging on to minor misunderstandings that happened 3 or 6 or more months ago on the Internet because it just shows one (in this case, Jimbo) to be a petty, vindictive person. If you want to make Misplaced Pages better, then it is Jimbo and his collegues (and especially your fellow Brit, David Gerard) who you should try to convince to be more child-like and forgiving. Instead, all these guys do is sit there, sneer about their success and gloat about the current Alexa rating. America is not Britain's classroom. The Brits are not the teacher and America its students. And Jimbo does not own the Internet. The U.S. Government does. When Jimbo figures that out and plays the game, then and only then will everybody have a place at the table within his organization. -- 67.121.146.150 13:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

If those people came back and made a fresh start under a new name, there would be no problem, but I don't see any advantage to unblocking usernames (as opposed to IPs) since editing under those names would just lead to the community not trusting them. Angela. 12:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

What my message is that, the Foundation, with all its success and all the free labor and goodwill it receives, and the millions or dollars (or just fractions thereof) it receives in donations, the it could, when years have passed, just declare an amnesty for these incredably old slights. Honestly - how many of those old bans will ever return? 10%? Less? When you cannot let go such trivial, old disagreements, then you show that part of what your real aspirations are: Big Brother and the Thought Police via some wolrdwide computer network called "the Internet". That is what you Utopia ends up being: dystopia. You can do better than that. Orwell was your fellow countryman. The Foundation's biography on him claims that he is "among the most widely admired English-language essayists of the 20th century." Is that really true? I am beginning to have my doubts. But if he was so, then I suggest that you attempt to benefit from whatever if was he had to offer in the departments of wisdom and insight. You know, Orwell was not writing about the USA, he was writing about your native land and the people that reside in that particular piece of land in the North Sea. If you are a slow reader, then maybe you could just get yourself a copy of Brazil. It portrays pretty much the same lunacy. Or you could just keep on contributing at Misplaced Pages. Hey, if you do not have time for Prof. Goldsmith, you might want to try Nick Carr. He is right there in Bostom also. Unless Jimbo only gives you permission to toss around the name Harvard in order to burnish his reputation. -- 75.24.110.165 17:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Here, go read Mehmet Ali Ağca. Why is he out of jail? Because Turkey had an amnesty. In etymology, that word has the same root as amnesia. Or check this guy out: Milan Kundera. See? He wrote a book called "The Book of Laughter and Forgetting". I am not talking about brain damage or not to use your intellect. It is just like Brave New World when all you alphas are put on an island and all you can think of doing is hating each other. Back to Mehmet for a moment: why did Turkey do it? Why did they have an amnesty? It is because the current government wants to survive. In the end, it is just self-preservation. You have encouraged people to be bold and I respect that. You also have to remind them to forgive and forget. You and I both know that some silly flame war that happened on the Internet in, say, the late 90's now means zero. The real question is: how short is the time frame? I assert that it is, like, 3-6 months tops. Instead, the Foundation clings to the old resentments and hatred. It is very unhealthy. Life-shortening, really. And the problem is not with the rest of the World, it is with the folks who are in charge of the Foundation. So my advice: start talking universal and absolute amnesty and come up with a time frame. I do not care if the time frame is five or ten years. Come up with one and put it in place and then you can diddle the time frame as seems appropriate. The Foundation will be stronger for it. -- 75.25.181.245 18:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

You have made a =huge= mark on Misplaced Pages, and, for me, you will always be the symbol of what it is to be a Wikipedian. I'm glad you will be staying on - I'm always happy when I bump into your name somewhere. Thank you for the uncountable hours you've put into this project; I'm proud to be able to be associated with someone like you. (Oh, and a belated best wishes to a new life in Oz!) Denni ☯ 00:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Request for advice

Hi - I was wondering if you might have an opinion on the chances of getting Jimbo's attention with any of the stable version proposals (e.g. wikipedia:stable versions or wikipedia:static version). I think most of the proposed mechanisms are way too Nupedia-like, but I think the fundamental concept of separating the viewable version from the editable version of articles (without forking) is entirely worth pursuing. This recently came up at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Mark articles as COMPLETE/STABLE. I outlined what I think would be a workable solution some time ago at Misplaced Pages talk:Stable versions/archive2#forking considered harmful. As far as I can tell, no progress is being made on anything like this and won't ever be unless there's some edict from the very top. The question is do you think this might be worth pursuing and, if so, how? I'd very much appreciate any advice you might have to offer about this. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I think stable versions in general are worth pursuing, but I believe it requires technical changes, not a declaration from Jimbo. It's the people with PHP ability you need to talk to if you want something to happen with this. Angela. 11:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Transwiki more stuff?

Angela: I noticed some people on wikien-l that Lightsaber combat had a lot of pushback because it is, well, not based on fact. I really think that anything that is still under copyright should be transwiki'ed over to Wikia - not to return until the copyright expires (which is usually so far into the future as to be "forever"). I think that Blade Runner would be an excellent example because it is a Featured Article that is about fiction - and I really like RoyBoy who had a lot to do with making that page FA. Even then entire Themes in Blade Runner is, well, speculation and analysis at best - not fact at all. My view is that all fiction under copyright (which is almost all science fiction except for Jules Verne), all TV shows and most films and books all belong over at Wikia. If you look at wikia:bladerunner, you will see that the main "Blade Runner" page is just a copy from Misplaced Pages anyway. You know, this thing. It is out-of-date and is loaded with red links. It is all fiction or "fact" based on fiction. I realize that it appear self-interested for you to take a stand on such a proposition, but I was wondering: can you offer any reaction to such an idea?

One other minor issue: I pointed Robert David Steele towards Wikia. He seems to be trying to create an activist community around OSINT, but his viewpoint is narowly US military. I am still trying to sort this out with him on the OSINT page and its talk page since this term is also clearly used by some civilians. This paragraph is just a heads up in case you run into him at Wikimania, which I think he plans to attend. -- 75.26.5.242 01:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand - what does the copyright status of the subject of an article have to do with anything? I see no reason there can't be an article on Blade Runner on Misplaced Pages. Obviously there is content which fits better on a dedicated Blade Runner Wiki, but that certainly shouldn't mean Misplaced Pages should give up all of its fiction-related content. I think Robert Steele should get his own website since he doesn't seem to be very keen on collaborating. Wikia is about building communities, not just a dumping ground for Misplaced Pages's banned users. :) Angela. 11:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Regards

Hello, Angel Angela, this is just a token of my respect to you and to your work. You are bigger than any award and barnstar. I am sure that we shall continue to have the benefit of your association for years to come. Regards. --Bhadani 13:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)