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Pre invasion history

Information is being added regarding the pre invasion history of Cyprus. I feel this would be better in the article on Cyprus. If it is being brought over from there, it is at best redundancy and at worst could be seen as adding legitimacy and our "endorsement" to the de facto state. Opinions? Britmax (talk) 07:35, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Propaganda article hiding all the truths

The whole article is a propaganda article hiding all but all the truths. I am wondering, if there is anyone actually monitoring what is written and what is not....Lol!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiorgosY (talk • contribs) 21:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Let us know which truths are being hidden and we'll see if anything needs changing. Your remarks above are not very helpful. Britmax (talk) 17:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Are you trying to be ironic? Lol!!! We are talking about an article that is saying that the ottomans have liberated Cyprus and you are asking me which truths is it hiding and you will see if anything needs changing?...Lol!!!! Liberating means this perhaps.....

Here is a truth, by a trustworthy source, unlike this article....

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+cy0017)

The whole wikipedia article is a lie and an orchestrated turkish propaganda....Make yourself useful and tell me where to report this article for deletion, before I speak with the government of Cyprus about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiorgosY (talk • contribs) 23:33, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah, theres's the problem. You seem to be one of those people who thinks the that if the entire history of everything isn't repeated in every article something is being hidden. This article is titled "Northern Cyprus". Therefore anything that happens before the creation of the area given that name is probably covered with a brief overview of history that directs you to a full article on the subject, in this case probably this one, using a hyperlink. Britmax (talk) 09:36, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with a brief overview, either I am one of those people....That was just an example. The whole article is a 100% turkish orchestrated propaganda. I am experienced in this, I know what I am talking about. Where can I report it for deletion.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiorgosY (talk • contribs) 13:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

It might be an idea for you to follow your posts with four tildes (4x~). This will sign and date your posts so that the bot doesn't have to do it for you. The deletion application page you seek is at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion. Good luck with that. Britmax (talk) 13:44, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Anyhow, I have replaced the history of the article with the history of Cyprus, which is well sourced, realistic and neutral, to give the article a second chance.

Hahahahah first time i've seen a Greek nationalist like you mate. It was Turks who were saying that Misplaced Pages works behalf on Greeks all the time. You suprised me. elmasmelih 14:10, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

You are in the turkish wiki projects elmasmelih, you are not exactly neutral aren't you.? The turks are living in a propaganda regime.

GiorgosY, "I know what I am talking about" is an entirely unhelpful statement to make. If you really know, and are serious about contributing to the article, then you should be able to cite sources to back up your claims. Otherwise, the content changes you have made and argue for will probably not remain. Alternatively, if your knowledge is entirely of your own creation and is unpublished, then, however good it is, it is called Original Research and should not be here. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:03, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

The changes that I had made were well sourced by respectable sources.

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de jure/ de facto

I will put a footnote and add an extra sentence to "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community as part of the Republic of Cyprus" part since:
a. "de jure/de facto" is the decision of UN SC, and the international community does not act mutatis mutandis same with UN SC. There are many international organizations that does not give even an inch to UN SC. In these organizations, "being a member of UN" is not a necessary condition to become a member.
b. There are hundreds of international organizations in which Northern Cyprus and its organizations are members. (I will add all those. Leave your comments below all my edits)

1. Yeni Bogazici municipality of Northern Cyprus is a member of Cittaslow. It is the only member from Cyprus island. See "Northern Cyprus" in Cittaslow page. By the regulations of Cittaslow, any municipality from the island (including those of Rep. of Cyprus) must take permission of Yeni Bogazici municipality to be a member of Cittaslow.

2. Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are two different members of European Pocket Billard Federation (EPBF). 2014 European Pocket Billiard Championship was hosted by Northern Cyprus.

In World Pool Billiard Association (WPA), Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are two different member countries. See EPBF's select box in link.

Northern Cyprus and Cyprus was matched in 2010 European Billiard Championship as two different countries and under different flags

3. Northern Cyprus is a member of Federation International Footballtennis Association (FIFTA). Cyprus is not a member.

2011 European FootballTennis Championship was hosted by Northern Cyprus.

4. Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are two different countries in European Countries Biologist Association (ECBA)

5. Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are two different countries in International Hotel and Restaurant Association (IHRA)

6. Northern Cyprus is a member of Global Taekwondo Federation (GTF). Cyprus is not a member.

GTF 9th World Championship was hosted by Northern Cyprus

The headquarter of "Eurasia Taekwondo Federations Union (ETFU)" is in Kyrenia of Northern Cyprus

7. Northern Cyprus is a member country of International TURKSOY Organization

8. Northern Cyprus' passport is recognized by many countries (Australia, United States of America (USA), United Kingdom (UK), France, Pakistan, Turkey, Germany, Azerbaijan, Syria, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzistan, etc.). NC passport is a valid legal entrance document.

9. Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are two different member countries of International Federation of Associated Wrestling Styles (FILA)Alexyflemming (talk) 18:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Honorous International Sports Organizations completely excludes any politics (UN, UN SC, etc.) from sports intentionally:

Recognition of Kosovo as associate member

"...the Secretary General and I (President of FILA) decided to create a category of associated members in the statutes in order to accept certain federations, after consultation with the legal department which raised no objection..."

"...to allow all wrestlers in the world to practice wrestling without political or religious discrimination..."

"Bureau (of FILA)...always applied the non interference of politics in sport."

"FILA recognized before the other International Federations and sometimes even before IOC: 1. Palestine (which is not even a state), 2. South Africa when it was boycotted by IOC and the majority of nations because of its apartheid policy 3. East Germany (DDR) etc."

"In my capacity as FILA President, I refuse to take political position and I can assure all parties that my objectives are only to comply with the FILA rules and to provide all the wrestlers in the world with the possibility to practice their sport where political alienation refuses to see reality in front."

There are honorous international organizations in the world that completely separates politics and sports. Sports bodies in the world are definitely are parts of International Community.Alexyflemming (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

All of these strengthen the de facto position without affecting the de jure position. What are you trying to achieve? Britmax (talk) 13:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

What I say is that: "de jure, de facto" issue does not bind international organizations (which are definitely a part of international community) that does not accept "validity according to UN or UN SC" as a pre-condition for membership. In some of the organizations above, there are some Northern Cypriots that are in Administrative Board of that organizations! Also, there are some int'l organizations which does not give a penny to UN and UN SC. Also, as I proved above: there are international organizations whose headquarter is in Northern Cyprus.Alexyflemming (talk) 17:47, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

These organisations do not in any way represent the "international community". They are just isolated organisations, not supported by reliable sources as "the international community". Passport recognition does not imply official recognition by "the international community". This is a typical case of synthesis and original research. Δρ.Κ.  15:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

These organisations do not in any way represent the "international community:

The entity "international community" has no legal personality. So, saying "this does not represent international community" is completely rubbish.

The above organizations are definitely are parts of "international community" (which again has no legal personality).

They are just isolated organisations, not supported by reliable sources as "the international community":

In which reliable source the entity/phrase "international community" has a single legal personality? None!

Passport recognition does not imply official recognition by "the international community"

Is "international community" a country/entity/personality which has the authority to recognize or does not recognize a country?

If (according to you) passport recognition does not imply official recognition by "the international community", then what is the sign of official recognition by international community?

This is a typical case of synthesis and original research

What is synthesis/original research is that "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community as part of the Republic of Cyprus" since this sentence establishes "international community" as a single entity and as having legal personality, which is definitely not!. This way of expressing the situation is synthesis and original research.Alexyflemming (talk) 18:35, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

The source of "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community as part of the Republic of Cyprus" in the article is this one:

Susannah Verney (13 September 2013). Euroscepticism in Southern Europe. Routledge. pp. 161–. ISBN 978-1-317-99612-5.: "The international community (UN, EU, Council of Europe and other international organisations) recognise the de jure sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island."

What Susannah mentions as "international community" are all political organizations. international community are not solely formed by political organizations.

International sports/education/etc. organizations are also part of "International community"!

There are many international sportive and educational organizations to which Northern Cyprus is a member!

There are many international sportive and educational organizations that give nill importance to politics and to which Northern Cyprus is not currently a member!

As for politics, what Susannah says is not true as well!:

Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) (2nd largest after UN) does not recognize "sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island."

Nobody can show such a recognition of RoC by OIC. Also, OIC gave "Northern Cyprus" an "observer" status (under the name "Turkish Cypriot State").

Many organizations of OIC was hosted by Northern Cyprus and its presidents, prime ministers, ministers etc. in the past.

Economic Cooperation Organization (ECO) (An organization with 10 countries) does not recognize "sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island.".

Nobody can show such a recognition of RoC by ECO. Also, ECO gave "Northern Cyprus" an "observer" status (under the name "Turkish Cypriot State").

Alexyflemming (talk) 20:43, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Again, you have to bring reliable sources which say that "Northern Cyprus is recognised by the international community". You cannot cherry-pick factoids from sources and then reach your own conclusion that Northern Cyprus is recognised by the international community. Also you cannot criticise reliable sources by experts just because you disagree with their conclusions. This is your own WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and you can't do that. It is unacceptable and WP:DISRUPTIVE. One more time: Your arguments and conclusions are WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. On top of that your actions reveal a bad case of WP:IDIDN'THEARTHAT. It is high time for you to consider stopping this disruption. Δρ.Κ.  01:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Somebody keeps removing the multiple references I have added about the "international community". I have restored them, added four more and then added another four. Here they are all 14 (fourteen) of them:

1.<ref name="Verney2013">{{cite book|author=Susannah Verney|title=Euroscepticism in Southern Europe|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=1S_dAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA161|date=13 September 2013|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-1-317-99612-5|pages=161–|quote=The international community (UN, EU, Council of Europe and other international organisations) recognise the de jure sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island.}}</ref>

2.<ref name="Conference2007">{{cite book|author=European Consortium for Church-State Research. Conference|title=Churches and Other Religious Organisations as Legal Persons: Proceedings of the 17th Meeting of the European Consortium for Church and State Research, Höör (Sweden), 17-20 November 2005|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=hogL92shGUIC&pg=PA50|year=2007|publisher=Peeters Publishers|isbn=978-90-429-1858-0|page=50|quote=There is little data concerning recognition of the 'legal status' of religions in the occupied territories, since any acts of the 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' are not recognized by either the Republic of Cyprus or the international community.}}</ref>

3.<ref name="Quigley">{{cite book|author=Quigley|title=The Statehood of Palestine|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=iTR3BQ0aJ6UC&pg=PA164|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-1-139-49124-2|page=164|quote=The international community found this declaration invalid, on the ground that Turkey had occupied territory belonging to Cyprus and that the putative state was therefore an infringement on Cypriot sovereignty.}}</ref>

4.<ref name="Tocci2004">{{cite book|author=Nathalie Tocci|title=EU Accession Dynamics and Conflict Resolution: Catalysing Peace Or Consolidating Partition in Cyprus?|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=T6Z0Io3kQZ4C&pg=PA56|date=January 2004|publisher=Ashgate Publishing, Ltd.|isbn=978-0-7546-4310-4|page=56|quote=The occupied territory included 70 percent of the island's economic potential with over 50 percent of the industrial ... In addition, since partition Turkey encouraged mainland immigration to northern Cyprus. ... The international community, excluding Turkey, condemned the unilateral declaration of independence (UDI) as a.}}</ref>

5.<ref name="WivelSteinmetz2013">{{cite book|author1=Dr Anders Wivel|author2=Robert Steinmetz|title=Small States in Europe: Challenges and Opportunities|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=iUeWqEjS6-IC&pg=PA165|date=28 March 2013|publisher=Ashgate Publishing, Ltd.|isbn=978-1-4094-9958-9|page=165|quote=To this day, it remains unrecognised by the international community, except by Turkey}}</ref>

6.<ref name="Neville2013">{{cite book|author=Peter Neville|title=Historical Dictionary of British Foreign Policy|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=dVosJPY04xAC&pg=PA293|date=22 March 2013|publisher=Scarecrow Press|isbn=978-0-8108-7371-1|page=293|quote=...Ecevit ordered the army to occupy the Turkish area on 20 July 1974. It became the Republic of Northern Cyprus, but Britain, like the rest of the international community, except Turkey, refused to extend diplomatic recognition to the enclave. British efforts to secure Turkey's removal from its surrogate territory after 1974 failed.}}</ref>

7.<ref name="Hakki2007">{{cite book|author=Murat Metin Hakki|title=Cyprus Issue: A Documentary History, 1878-2006|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=JAMCAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA536|date=24 October 2007|publisher=I.B.Tauris|isbn=978-0-85771-980-5|page=536|quote=Since the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus was not recognised by any member of the international community other ...}}</ref>

8.<ref name="Kaczorowska2013">{{cite book|author=Alina Kaczorowska|title=European Union Law|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=jzcxTtW23tMC&pg=PA43|year=2013|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-0-415-69597-8|page=43|quote=The Republic of Cyprus has always been recognised by the international community as one State exercising ... is recognised only by Turkey as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, being under military control of Turkey, did not, in fact, join ...}}</ref>

9.<ref name="AgnewMuscarà2012">{{cite book|author1=John A. Agnew|author2=Luca Muscarà|title=Making Political Geography|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=AHMlWqCVCX8C&pg=PA47|year=2012|publisher=Rowman & Littlefield|isbn=978-1-4422-1230-5|page=47|quote=Although the “international community” does not recognize Northern Cyprus as a sovereign state, its mail does get ...}}</ref>

10.<ref name="Kohen2006">{{cite book|author=Marcelo G. Kohen|title=Secession: International Law Perspectives|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=FUh8W1-TnNcC&pg=PA203|date=21 March 2006|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-0-521-84928-9|page=203|quote=the organs of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (which to date remains an entity not recognised by the international community, }}</ref>

11.<ref name="Leckie2007">{{cite book|author=Scott Leckie|title=Housing and Property Restitution Rights of Refugees and Displaced Persons: Laws, Cases, and Materials|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=HyfqzaFBMLoC&pg=PA448|date=28 May 2007|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-1-139-46409-3|page=448|quote=The complaints raised in this application arise out of the Turkish military operations in northern Cyprus in July and August ... This development was condemned by the international community. ... of the establishment of the “TRNC” legally invalid and calling upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot State other than the ...}}</ref>

12.<ref name="Commerce2004">{{cite book|author=International Chamber of Commerce|title=Europe Review 2003/04: The Economic and Business Report|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=Hwi0s3I5jLEC&pg=PA81|date=1 March 2004|publisher=Kogan Page Publishers|isbn=978-0-7494-4067-1|page=81|quote=Without a deal ending the years of division being reached, the EU might still find it difficult to accept northern Cyprus as a new member, especially when it is unrecognised by the international community as a separate state }}</ref>

13.<ref name="Mirbagheri2014">{{cite book|author=Farid Mirbagheri|title=Cyprus and International Peacemaking 1964-1986|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=_Ht9AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA101|date=1 May 2014|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-1-136-67745-8|page=101|quote=Turkish Cypriots, received international condemnation, putting them at loggerheads with the international community and the United Nations and making peacemaking efforts even harder than before.}}</ref>

14.<ref name="Brown1993">{{cite book|author=Michael Edward Brown|title=Ethnic Conflict and International Security|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=cstjhpRd-F4C&pg=PA184|year=1993|publisher=Princeton University Press|isbn=0-691-00068-9|page=184|quote=The island remains divided, but the Northern Cypriot state has not been recognized by the international community,}}</ref>

The reliable sources have spoken. Please stop your WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH violations as well as your WP:DISRUPTION and please WP:DROPTHESTICK. Thank you. Δρ.Κ.  02:45, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I can think of an organization who will soon know whether the "international community" exists. Britmax (talk) 06:12, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Good point. Thank you Britmax. Δρ.Κ.  06:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

The teachers (1, 2, 3) who will make the organization soon know something escaped from the war field without looking their backs!. Also, Turks learn their lessons immediately: 26 August-9 September 1922 (only 2 weeks), 20-22 July 14-16 August 1974 (only 6 days), 31 January 1996 (only 1 day). I hope the others got prepared and have the same learning speed as well :) It seems semesters gets shorter and shorther and will be less than 1 day with distance learning (0:35-1:20) with a further emphasis over the topics covered (1:40 - 2:05). I think, life-time-learning will not be needed anymore!.Alexyflemming (talk) 09:55, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Disproof of the Constant Backing the Same Reasoning

You have to bring reliable sources which say that "Northern Cyprus is recognised by the international community".

"International community" is not an entity/personality/country can or don't recognize a country. That said, "recognition" is not the condition of being legal.

I asked you a very simple question: "what is the sign/proof of official recognition by international community?"

Just in the way it is presented in the article of Northern Cyprus, it is over, over and over loaded.

You are showing 14 sources (in the article) just for the one fact you stated. Repeating billions of times does not form proof.

To your info: Armenians mentioned, written, showed "billions of times" "Armenian Genocide".

European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) (17.12.2013, Perinçek v. Switzerland, application no. 27510/08): "1915 events cannot be qualified as genocide", and punished Switzerland!

The President of the ICJ Justice Hisashi Owada: "International law contains no "prohibition on declarations of independence."

International Court of Justice (2010, Kosovo): "The issue of recognition was a political one."

That is to say, "being not recognized does not affect legality/illegality of a country". Recognition is a political action.

you cannot criticise reliable sources by experts just because you disagree with their conclusions. This is your own WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and you can't do that:

I do not criticize, I show counter-examples that their results are not all inclusive.

The "experts" you mentioned bases some of their arguments to "non-recognition" of Northern Cyprus. International Court of Justice (2010, Kosovo): "Recognition is something political, not legal!"

In another example, Susannah says "Council of Europe" example besides others. The situation of "Cyprus" is different than all other members of Parliamentary Assembly of Council of Europe (PACE). Here are the facts:

Cyprus does not recognize any of the followings and declares all illegal: Northern Cyprus, Assembly of Northern Cyprus, Parliamenters in Assembly of Northern Cyprus.

Representatives of Greek Cypriots are elected in the Assembly of Cyprus. Representatives of Turkish Cypriots are elected in the Assembly of Northern Cyprus, an entity that is illegal according to Rep. of Cyprus!

Representatives of Spanians and Catholonians are all elected in the Assembly of Spain!

"...cherry-pick factoids..."

Which one of the experts you listed above accepts/states/regards "international community" as a single legal entity/personality/country that has the authority to recognize or non-recognize a country in the world.

None! The usage and mentionings in that resources are in the meaning of "mainly non-acceptance by the international arena, not fully"! Hence, your way of using the sources is over-loading and cherry-picking. I will show your cherry-pickings from your 14 sources one by one.

As for the 14 sources you gave:

1.

<ref name="Verney2013">{{cite book|author=Susannah Verney|title=Euroscepticism in Southern Europe|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=1S_dAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA161|date=13 September 2013|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-1-317-99612-5|pages=161–|quote=The international community (UN, EU, Council of Europe and other international organisations) recognise the de jure sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island.}}</ref>

• Usage in the source: "international community (UN, EU, Council of Europe and other international organisations) recognise the de jure sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island"
• There is no sentence of “Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community as part of the Republic of Cyprus”, hence synthesis, original research.
• Used rather in the meaning of “membership to UN, EU, CoE, other int’l organizations”

2.

<ref name="Conference2007">{{cite book|author=European Consortium for Church-State Research. Conference|title=Churches and Other Religious Organisations as Legal Persons: Proceedings of the 17th Meeting of the European Consortium for Church and State Research, Höör (Sweden), 17-20 November 2005|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=hogL92shGUIC&pg=PA50|year=2007|publisher=Peeters Publishers|isbn=978-90-429-1858-0|page=50|quote=There is little data concerning recognition of the 'legal status' of religions in the occupied territories, since any acts of the 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' are not recognized by either the Republic of Cyprus or the international community.}}</ref>

• Source is dated to 2007 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Hence, the source is old.

• Usage in the source: "...any acts of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" are not recognized by either the Republic of Cyprus or the international community..."

• Not only the laws of "Immovable Property Commission of Northern Cyprus (and its related laws)" but also all laws of Northern Cyprus without any exception are recognized at European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR): http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/eng/Pages/search.aspx#{"fulltext":,"documentcollectionid2":,"itemid":} ECtHR Decision 02.07.2013, App. nos. 9130/09 and 9143/09; Pavlides v. Turkey; Georgakis v. Turkey. ECtHR: "...notwithstanding the lack of international recognition of the regime in the northern area, a de facto recognition of its acts may be rendered necessary for practical purposes. Thus, THE ADOPTION BY THE AUTHORITIES OF THE "TRNC" OF CIVIL, ADMINISTRATIVE OR CRIMINAL LAW MEASURES, AND THEIR APPLICATION OR ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THAT TERRITORY, may be regarded as HAVING A LEGAL BASIS in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention".
  Note: In the related above case, the application of Greek Cypriots was found to be "INADMISSABLE" by ECtHR and IMMEDIATELY REJECTED by ECtHR! That is to say, the applicant Greek Cypriots were expelled just at the beginning of the process. Case was never handled by the ECtHR!
  
• Anthony Cullen and StevenWheatley (2013): "The Human Rights of Individuals in De Facto Regimes under the European Convention on Human Rights"

Human Rights Law Review 13:4

p. 708: ECtHR did follow the position in international law that not all acts of a de facto government are to be regarded as being without legal validity.

p. 709: The Grand Chamber of ECtHR accepted that the judicial system in the TRNC could be considered to be established by law.

p. 710: The ECtHR has continued to recognise the utility of the government system established under the TRNC Constitution.

p. 710: ECtHR concluded that where an act of the TRNC authorities was in compliance with the laws in force in the territory of northern Cyprus, it should in principle be regarded as having a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention.

3.

<ref name="Quigley">{{cite book|author=Quigley|title=The Statehood of Palestine|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=iTR3BQ0aJ6UC&pg=PA164|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-1-139-49124-2|page=164|quote=The international community found this declaration invalid, on the ground that Turkey had occupied territory belonging to Cyprus and that the putative state was therefore an infringement on Cypriot sovereignty.}}</ref>

• Usage in the source: "One may compare in this regard the UN reaction 5 years earlier to a declaration of statehood for a Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. The international community found this declaration invalid, on the ground that Turkey had occupied territory belonging to Cyprus and that the putative state was therefore an infringement on Cypriot sovereignty."
• "international community" refers to “United Nations Security Council” (of 1983-541) clearly. I already proposed that instead of “International Community”, something like “UN/UN SC” etc. must be used in the article!
• There is no sentence of “Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community as part of the Republic of Cyprus”, hence synthesis, original research.

4.

<ref name="Tocci2004">{{cite book|author=Nathalie Tocci|title=EU Accession Dynamics and Conflict Resolution: Catalysing Peace Or Consolidating Partition in Cyprus?|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=T6Z0Io3kQZ4C&pg=PA56|date=January 2004|publisher=Ashgate Publishing, Ltd.|isbn=978-0-7546-4310-4|page=56|quote=The occupied territory included 70 percent of the island's economic potential with over 50 percent of the industrial ... In addition, since partition Turkey encouraged mainland immigration to northern Cyprus. ... The international community, excluding Turkey, condemned the unilateral declaration of independence (UDI) as a.}}</ref>

• Usage in the source: The international community, excluding Turkey, condemned the unilateral declaration of independence (UDI) as a.
• "international community" refers to “UN Security Council” in the source. (UN SC 1984-550 resolution: the Council condemned the illegal secessionist activities in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus)
• Source is dated to 2004 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Hence, the source is old.
• Also, the writer says "except Turkey"; however, UN SC’s 1983-541 (illegality of DOI of NC) was voted against by Pakistan as well, abstained by Jordan. Also, source is odd: about DOIs of countries, ICJ has a different attitude: "no prohibition of DOI in int’l law; recognition is something political, not legal"

5.

<ref name="WivelSteinmetz2013">{{cite book|author1=Dr Anders Wivel|author2=Robert Steinmetz|title=Small States in Europe: Challenges and Opportunities|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=iUeWqEjS6-IC&pg=PA165|date=28 March 2013|publisher=Ashgate Publishing, Ltd.|isbn=978-1-4094-9958-9|page=165|quote=To this day, it remains unrecognised by the international community, except by Turkey}}</ref>

6.

<ref name="Neville2013">{{cite book|author=Peter Neville|title=Historical Dictionary of British Foreign Policy|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=dVosJPY04xAC&pg=PA293|date=22 March 2013|publisher=Scarecrow Press|isbn=978-0-8108-7371-1|page=293|quote=...Ecevit ordered the army to occupy the Turkish area on 20 July 1974. It became the Republic of Northern Cyprus, but Britain, like the rest of the international community, except Turkey, refused to extend diplomatic recognition to the enclave. British efforts to secure Turkey's removal from its surrogate territory after 1974 failed.}}</ref>

• Usage in the source:
• “international community” refers to “Countries of UN” or simply “UN” implicitly.
• Also, “immediate acts of Britain just after 1974” is mentioned. We are in 2014 and now UK recognizes passports of Northern Cyprus.

7.

<ref name="Hakki2007">{{cite book|author=Murat Metin Hakki|title=Cyprus Issue: A Documentary History, 1878-2006|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=JAMCAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA536|date=24 October 2007|publisher=I.B.Tauris|isbn=978-0-85771-980-5|page=536|quote=Since the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus was not recognised by any member of the international community other ...}}</ref>

• Usage in the source:
• Source is dated to 2007 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Hence, the source is old.
• Even the source’s title is "Cyprus Issue: A Documentary History, 1878-2006". From 2006 till 2014, many developments occurred (primarily, ICJ’s 2010 Kosovo decision). Hence, the source is old.

8.

<ref name="Kaczorowska2013">{{cite book|author=Alina Kaczorowska|title=European Union Law|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=jzcxTtW23tMC&pg=PA43|year=2013|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-0-415-69597-8|page=43|quote=The Republic of Cyprus has always been recognised by the international community as one State exercising ... is recognised only by Turkey as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, being under military control of Turkey, did not, in fact, join ...}}</ref>

• Usage in the source:
• “international community” refers to “UN/UN SC” implicitly.

9.

9.<ref name="AgnewMuscarà2012">{{cite book|author1=John A. Agnew|author2=Luca Muscarà|title=Making Political Geography|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=AHMlWqCVCX8C&pg=PA47|year=2012|publisher=Rowman & Littlefield|isbn=978-1-4422-1230-5|page=47|quote=Although the “international community” does not recognize Northern Cyprus as a sovereign state, its mail does get ...}}</ref>

• Usage in the source: Beginning of the related discussion in the source: "Having one’s stamp officially recognized by the Universal Postal Union (UPU) or the venerable philatelist magazine Scott’s Catalogue is akin to recognition by the United Nations."
• Hence, “international community” refers to “United Nations” in the source. I am the person that offers “UN/UN SC” must be used instead of “international community!”

10.

<ref name="Kohen2006">{{cite book|author=Marcelo G. Kohen|title=Secession: International Law Perspectives|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=FUh8W1-TnNcC&pg=PA203|date=21 March 2006|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-0-521-84928-9|page=203|quote=the organs of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (which to date remains an entity not recognised by the international community, }}</ref>

• Usage in the source: "May 2001, the Strashourg Court openly recognised the exercise of a de facto authority by the organs of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (which to date remains an entity not recognised by the international community, with the exception of Turkey),104 (104: The same opinion had been upheld by the European Commission on Human Rights in its report on the case, issued on 4 june 1999 (‘it cannot be denied that the TRNC regime de facto exists and that it exercises de facto authority in the northern part of Cyprus)."
• The "international community" refers to "members of UN, or simply UN" implicitly in the source.
• I am the person that offered many times "UN/UN SC" must be used instead of “international community!"
• Source is dated to 2006 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like "int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences" and "recognition is something political, not legal"). Hence, the source is old.

11.

<ref name="Leckie2007">{{cite book|author=Scott Leckie|title=Housing and Property Restitution Rights of Refugees and Displaced Persons: Laws, Cases, and Materials|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=HyfqzaFBMLoC&pg=PA448|date=28 May 2007|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-1-139-46409-3|page=448|quote=The complaints raised in this application arise out of the Turkish military operations in northern Cyprus in July and August ... This development was condemned by the international community. ... of the establishment of the “TRNC” legally invalid and calling upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot State other than the ...}}</ref>

• Usage in the source: "This development was condemned by the International community. On 18 November 1983 the United Nations Security Council adopted Resolution 541 (1983) declaring the proclamation of the establishment of the "TRNC legally invalid and calling upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot State other than the Republic of Cyprus. A similar call was made by the Security Council on 11 May 1984 in its resolution 550 (1984).
• “International community” implicitely and explicitely refers to “UN SC and UN” respectively in the source. Notice: 1984-550 UN SC resolution: the Council condemned the illegal secessionist activities in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus.
• "International community" clearly and explicitely refers to "United Nations Security Council" in the source!
• Source is dated to 2007 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Hence, the source is old.

12.

<ref name="Commerce2004">{{cite book|author=International Chamber of Commerce|title=Europe Review 2003/04: The Economic and Business Report|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=Hwi0s3I5jLEC&pg=PA81|date=1 March 2004|publisher=Kogan Page Publishers|isbn=978-0-7494-4067-1|page=81|quote=Without a deal ending the years of division being reached, the EU might still find it difficult to accept northern Cyprus as a new member, especially when it is unrecognised by the international community as a separate state }}</ref>

• Usage in the source: Begining of the discussion: “Since Turkey's invasion in 1974. the internationally-recognised Republic of Cyprus has been reduced to the Greek Cypriot-dominated southern part of the island.”
• “International community” implicitly refers to “United Nations” in the source!
• Source is dated to 2004 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Hence, the source is old.

13.

<ref name="Mirbagheri2014">{{cite book|author=Farid Mirbagheri|title=Cyprus and International Peacemaking 1964-1986|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=_Ht9AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA101|date=1 May 2014|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-1-136-67745-8|page=101|quote=Turkish Cypriots, received international condemnation, putting them at loggerheads with the international community and the United Nations and making peacemaking efforts even harder than before.}}</ref>

• Usage in the source: “Turkish Cypriots, received international condemnation, putting them at loggerheads with the international community and the United Nations...”
• “International community” implicitely and explicitely refers to “UN SC and UN” respectively in the source. Notice: 1984-550 UN SC resolution: the Council condemned the illegal secessionist activities in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus.
• The publication date in the link of the source you gave is 1998. Source is dated to 2004 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Also, it is far out-dated. It is before 2004 “Cyprus Re-Unification Referendum” as well. Hence, the source is very very old.

14.

<ref name="Brown1993">{{cite book|author=Michael Edward Brown|title=Ethnic Conflict and International Security|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=cstjhpRd-F4C&pg=PA184|year=1993|publisher=Princeton University Press|isbn=0-691-00068-9|page=184|quote=The island remains divided, but the Northern Cypriot state has not been recognized by the international community,}}</ref>

• Usage in the source: "The Turkish invasion, however, achieved this goal only in a partial sense: The island remains divided, but the Northern Cypriot state has not been recognized by the international community, a situation that leaves the authorities there, as well as the Turkish-Cypriots. with many impediments. Because other states (excluding Turkey) do not recognize the Northern Cypriot government, they will not negotiate airway agreements with it."
• "International community" refers implicitly the “UN member countries, or simply UN"
• Source is dated to 1993 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like "int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal"). Also, it is far out-dated. It is before 2004 "Cyprus Re-Unification Referendum" as well. Hence, the source is very very old.

Alexyflemming (talk) 08:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Summary of Disproofs

A. "International community" refers to "United Nations (UN)":
In all of the 14 sources, the phrase "international community" clearly directly explicitly or implicitly refers to "United Nations Security Council (UN SC)" or "United Nations (UN)" in general. UN SC being a subset of UN, one can in general say "in all of the 14 sources, international community refers to United Nations"
C. Some of the 14 sources are really very old:
There happened two major milestones on (or related with) Cyprus issue: "2004 Cyprus Re-unifiation Referendum" and "2010 International Court of Justice Kosovo Decision".

• The sources that are older than both of the developments: ((13)) 2014 (but covers the old developments as understood by its title "Cyprus and International Peacemaking 1964-1986"); ((14)) 1993; ((4)) 2004; ((12)) 2004
  
• The sources that are older than "ICJ Kosovo 2010": ((10)) 2006; ((2)) 2007; ((7)) 2007; ((11)) 2007; ((3)) 2010
  
• The sources after both of the milestones: ((9)) 2012; ((1)) 2013; ((5)) 2013; ((6)) 2013; ((8)) 2013
  Alexyflemming (talk) 11:13, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

• This is all nonsense. You cannot second-guess all the reliable sources written by reputable academic experts which I have provided by using your opinion. WP:DROPTHESTICK and stop your WP:DISRUPTION. Only when you bring multiple reliable sources which explicitly state that Northern Cyprus is recognised by the International Community will any note to that effect go in the article. Otherwise no change will be made, no matter how you litter this talkpage with your disruptive and WP:VERIFIABILITY-violating and WP:RELIABLESOURCES-violating arguments. Δρ.Κ.  14:59, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

• - Even though I know that "international community" is not a single legal entity/personality/country that has the capability of recognizing/non-recognizing a country;
  

- ...even though I know that recognition/non-recognition does not affect the legality/illegality of a country (via ICJ Kosovo 2010);

- ...even though I know that there is no single definition of "international community" that is agreed and in consensus for all,

- ...that said, let me disprove the your way of stylyzing the facts is wrong "from your handling/perspective as well".

Allison Good (05.02.2014): "Is there trouble ahead in the eastern Mediterranean?"

In 1983, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus declared its independence, but is not recognised by...most of the international community as a legitimate state.

AF: Most of the IC, not all of the IC! Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) and Economic Cooperation of Organization (ECO) that are clearly part of "international country" recognized "Northern Cyprus" (as Turkish Cypriot State) and in the past various meetings of ministers of OIC member countries were held in Northern Cyprus.

Mehmet Hasguler, "Cyprus at a Crossroads" (Middle East Quarterly, Fall 2009, pp. 63-71)

"...Organization of the Islamic Conference recognize the republic as an independent state..."

International Crisis Group (03.2014, Europe Report No 22914): "Divided Cyprus: Coming to Terms on an Imperfect Reality"

"...UN, U.S., UK and the wider international community..."

AF: "international community" is wider than (UN, US, UK, CoE), it also includes (OIC, ECO, ...)

Vassilis K. Fouskas, 16.07.2014: "Cyprus 40 years on. Do you really want a solution? Abandon 'realism'"

"...The official narrative of the so-called "international community" (NATO, the EU, the UN)..."

AF: Vassilis' description is also nice example of ""international community" is not a single legal entity/personality/country that has the capability of recognizing/non-recognizing a country"

1. Brian Zachary Mund (01.12.2013): "Breakaway States: Understanding When The International Community Recognizes The Legitimacy of Separatist States"

"...TRNC has firmly established itself as an independent actor in the international community..."

"...In 2003, the TRNC took the unilateral step of opening their border to Greek Cypriots. This act was seen by the international community as a major step towards rapprochement and normalization between the two countries. Seen as a major public relations victory for the TRNC, it resulted in new heights of international recognition...."

"...The evidence points to a large degree of sympathy rising from a sense of shared religious heritage among the Muslim world. Such ties help explain why Pakistan and Jordan, the two Muslim countries on the Security Council at the time, did not support the Security Council Resolution 541 calling the TRNC invalid..." AF: Pakistan, Jordan etc. are parts of "international community"!

"...the increased levels of recognition enjoyed by the TRNC..."

"...As a result of the Turkish Cypriots’ change in tactics to work within the international system, they are enjoying unprecedented levels of international recognition..."

"..The TRNC....,...recent years have shown indications of greater economic integration with the international community..."

"....the reason why TRNC have received greater international recognition once it has taken costly measures to work within the international system might serve as a means to signal the depth to which they are committed to complying with current international norms..."

(I'll add some extra material to my post here)

2. Anthony Cullen and StevenWheatley (2013): "The Human Rights of Individuals in De Facto Regimes under the European Convention on Human Rights", Human Rights Law Review, 13:4

p. 709: The Grand Chamber of ECtHR accepted that the judicial system in the TRNC could be considered to be established by law.

p. 710: The ECtHR has continued to recognise the utility of the government system established under the TRNC Constitution.

p. 710: ECtHR concluded that where an act of the TRNC authorities was in compliance with the laws in force in the territory of northern Cyprus, it should in principle be regarded as having a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention.

3. The situation for the institutions of Northern Cyprus: Washington Times Advocacy Department (30 Sept 2014): "Degrees from Northern Cypriot universities are recognized and accepted all over the world.".

To the notice of who may concern: Washington Times (30.09.2014, "Higher education in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus"): There are 63,765 university students from 114 countries in nine universities in Northern Cyprus (12,505 Turkish Cypriots; 34,206 from Turkey; 17,054 international students) in nine universities in Northern Cyprus. Also, New York Times (16.02.2014):"Students Flock to Universities in Northern Cyprus".

That is to say, the number of international students in Northern Cyprus far exceeds that of many countries in Europe, including Rep. of Cyprus!

Alexyflemming (talk) 07:51, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Famagusta Port issue

There is a misleading, outdated and obsolete info in the article about Famagusta port. Here is updated info about the port:

1. Cyprus News Agency (27 January 2008): Rehn's written reply to Cypriot MEP Marios Matsakis: "according to the general principles of international law, entry and exit of ships from the closed ports of Cyprus is not prohibited"

2. Hellenic Resources Network(25 January 2008) "Turgay Avci is satisfied with Olli Rehns reply to Marios Matsakis"

3. The Gemini post (December 2007) Greek Cypriot daily Politis (the office of EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn): "...the use of Famagusta port was not illegal under international law..."

4. Cypriot - EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn (A reply to a question of European MP Marios Matsakis; on 18 January 2008) "..the use of ports in the north was not prohibited. Based on the general principles of international law, entry and exit of vessels from sea ports in the northern part of Cyprus is not prohibited.."

I will introduce the export figures of "Port of Famagusta" of Northern Cyprus to various countries soon.
Alexyflemming (talk) 14:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

United States Federal Court Decision on the Greek Cypriots claims on Northern Cyprus

On 13 October 2014, United States Federal Court ruled that "..Greek Cypriots cannot claim that the government in control of Northern Cyprus gave their homes to Turkish Cypriots....Although the United States does not recognize it as a state, the TRNC purportedly operates as a democratic republic with a president, prime minister, legislature and judiciary...TRNC is not vulnerable to a lawsuit in Washington".

Sources:

1. The news of the USA Federal Court decision (Courthouse News Service; 13.10.2014)
2. The Case's page of the Court
3. USA Federal Court Decision 09.10.2014
Alexyflemming (talk) 20:44, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Removing of the sourced critical info without showing no/false pretext is a WP policy violation

IP31.153.94.183 removed USA Federal Court decision related with Northern Cyprus with the edit summary: "This is about a case a US court did not, actually hear. It might be relevant to the article about displaced Cypriots, but not here; it's out of context and given undue weight". IP31! See above. USA Federal Court heared the case.
Alexyflemming (talk) 21:07, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

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