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How do I make my personal recollections into a Misplaced Pages article?

Hello,

I found a red link for Social Science History Association, so I wrote an article to fill in the gap. When I was going through the SSHA networks, I found the term "macro-historical dynamics", which is the way they refer to an important topic is social history. I wrote to the coordinator for that network group and asked him whether Historical dynamics would be a better term. He wrote back and said that would be better and asked me to redirect "macro-historical dynamics" to Historical dynamics, which I did. At that point Historical dynamics was red linked. Then I looked at the topic Historical dynamics to see if I could write something to fill in the red link. I spent four years at Georgetown University Center for Population Research doing demographic projections, building and testing country planning models. I spent the next three years at USAID's Programming and Policy Analysis, Economic and Social Database - gathering all the international databases from international organizations like the UN, FAO, WHO, IMF, World Bank, ILO, and others. I trained development economists on how to do long range economic and demographic planning and ran seminars on modeling and simulation techniques. I spent two and a half years setting up the Famine Early Warning System for the State Department and USAID to integrate data from all the relevant agencies to estimate the potential for famine in many affected countries. Then three years on alternative fuels, energy technology, and global climate change for an oil company. I have worked on many global issues, including the future of the internet.

• My question is: How do I summarize decades of work on modeling and simulation into a neutral article on methods in historical dynamics? According to the note at the top of the page, it says I am writing from personal experience and opinion. I think I qualify as an "expert" in this field, and I am asking social historians and people in the field to look at the article. The coordinator for the SSHA network has already provided examples of real world studies in this area (second paragraph of article).
• What can I do to improve the article and make it more neutral and effective? My plan was to contact experts in the field to review the article in its various stages. I really could use some help. Thanks RC711 (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

@RC711: Sorry for the long delay in replying; I am way behind with my talkpage and other things that I'm supposed to be doing. I see you mostly stopped editing soon after posting this - I hope you're just having a break, not giving up. Your range of experience and insights are very valuable on Misplaced Pages.

I do have some thoughts on how to proceed with this, so if you're still around, please let me know and I will write them out. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@Demiurge1000: Another long delay in replying; been traveling and no email access. I would like to hear your thoughts. Thanks. RC711 (talk) 15:54, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Good, will get back to you on this. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:37, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

... timestamp to hopefully prevent archiving until I actually do so... --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

And another... is going to be at least a week. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:13, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Quality

You had this idea on Dave's page. - Did you know the criteria for a class B article, including "B-Class-5. It contains appropriate supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams." (Found on the talk of Hansjürgen Reinicke.) Will you next ask me to create content without thinking of images? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: what do the criteria for B class articles have to do with your other question? Just in case it improves your comprehension of English, please be aware of the word or in the sentence you quote -- it does not mean the same as and.

To answer your first question, yes I do know the criteria for a class B article. I also understand them, which is perhaps important too. I am not sure that you do, especially the difference between "and" and "or".

Will I ask you to create content without thinking of images? Yes, I most certainly shall, especially if you are incapable of engaging in any discussion about the use of images in Misplaced Pages without being disruptive. There are a great many editors who are excellent at producing and refining images, and at finding the best ways to use them with articles. These editors know how to work collegially with other editors, instead of seeing everything as a battleground. That is what makes them great Wikipedians. That is why I would trust them to handle images in an appropriate way. Without squabbling. Without pestering. Without being a nuisance. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

I like the new look of Carmen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Do you? What does that have to do with any of the above? Worm is not the only person who views some of your messages as "infuriating". Please don't post material like this on my talk page again. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for improving my English. Or is a tough word for Germans. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:30, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

BLP Issue

Good evening, Demiurge1000. Having been away for a while from any computer screen other than that on my phone I've been unable to properly write until now, but wanted to express my gratitude for the contribution you made at the Charles Shoebridge page, especially for the fact that you obviously took time to familiarise yourself with relevant subject material beforehand and then took positive steps to put matters right. I note incidentally your comments here on your user page in respect of articles about living persons, and it's good to know there are experienced Misplaced Pages editors who understand the real harm and distress that ill founded or inappropriate content on BLP pages can cause.

In respect of this, I've placed some notes on the Charles Shoebridge talk page which I'd be very grateful for your taking a look at and, as I'm apparently unable to do so, taking any action you think appropriate. Many thanks for this, and best wishes UK1000 (talk) 18:27, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

PS For some reason my UK1000 password is now being rejected by Misplaced Pages login. I therefore have a new username, which is UKL1000. Many thanks again, and best wishes. UKL1000 (talk) 02:47, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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Eastern Europe

I'm afraid I at least am still puzzled. Drmies edits a lot of things, but I have the impression that at the time you gave him the formal notification about discretionary sanctions regarding Eastern European topics, he'd mainly been working on Maup Caransa, and I don't see the connection there to Eastern Europe. Were you thinking of another article, or maybe even got the wrong discretionary sanction? Yngvadottir (talk) 17:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Morning Yngvadottir. I have been away, but now I have returned to answer your question. Actually, I have not returned solely for that purpose, but anyway, I'm here.

Engaging in an editing dispute about what wording to use when describing someone being removed to, or killed in, a Nazi concentration camp, is relevant to the EEML discretionary sanctions firstly because most such camps (by the metric I randomly decided to use) were in eastern Europe, secondly because disagreements over such wording have been a feature of problematic editing regarding eastern Europe in the past, and thirdly because discussion of the camps themselves (and removal of people to them from various countries across different parts of Europe) is sometimes a component of problematic editing related to eastern Europe. EEML discretionary sanctions tend to be construed extremely broadly, hence my mentioning the occasion where Switzerland was included in them.

Despite that, before he archived his talk page, I believe Drmies indicated that he had recently given formal notifications himself for these same discretionary sanctions. If this were the case, the notification I gave him would be unnecessary (as moot, although not Entmoot), and indeed, if I am reading the instructions correctly, on that basis should not have been given.

Thank you for raising this matter, which I too have found interesting. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:10, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me - I figured as much. But I think it would have been better to discuss it with him, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that the Jewish population victimised by the Nazis were more widespread than you may be aware - Amsterdam was indeed a major Jewish centre - and there were many, many camps in many different places, with a variety of labels, in which people died (Labour camps, for instance. A year or two ago I wrote Reichsautobahn.) Rolling it up as an Eastern European issue could also be seen as an affront by the man's descendants - but I don't know that, of course. I hope next time this arises with an experienced editor with no history of bias in this area, you'll discuss it, if only because you might learn something. I can read the sources for that article with effort; Drmies could on request translate the relevant passages and explain the nuances. The upshot of all the arguing appears to have been that we won't have an interesting and salutary DYK about a Jew who got revenge by living well (and had foul taste in architecture). And that Drmies got hurt for doing a good thing. Both make me sad. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:05, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

continuing to fix up Gail Dines' page

Hi there,

Thanks for responding to my Teahouse inquiry! Looks like you and TheRedPenofDoom are willing to help clean up this page and instill a more balanced point of view.

Here are a few articles about Gail's work that might help: http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/articles/2010/07/27/the_shaping_of_things/ http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/jul/02/gail-dines-pornography

Gail also write OpEds here which supports her widespread activism in a legitimate context, and has made this documentary

Here are news updates and reviews of her book: http://gaildines.com/category/news-reviews/

Here's Gail as an expert on CNN: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2010/07/28/am.intv.dines.pornland.cnn.html

Here's Gail on NECN: http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/_NECN__Broadside__Living_in__Pornland__NECN-251914281.html

Let me know what other info you need! Thanks for your help. I will try to get a message to TheRedPenofDoom somehow too.

Julia Juliabarry (talk) 14:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Oorah Page

Hi Demiurge1000, Thanks for your feedback. I am new to Misplaced Pages and am trying to figure out the linking/ref/cite options so I can link text within the article to references. Can you please tell what statements seem subjective or biased? I am interested in presenting an objective entry. Thanks much, Notableditor (talk) 20:14, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Teahouse Q & A

Thanks for answering my question. I've already got a new sandbox and have started playing! Writing articles is even more fun than editing, especially when I can do it on a subject that I'd really like to be teaching - if there were any college teaching jobs open in my area for someone without a PhD.Shandong44 (talk) 03:28, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Citations Flag - https://en.wikipedia.org/Innovative_Interfaces

Hi

This article has a message about inline citations but I have updated a bunch of new citations with links to reputable third party sources. Can that flag be removed? Or how can I fix please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/Innovative_Interfaces

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katrahn (talk • contribs) 03:37, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I've removed it, and requested a copyedit. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:25, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

New editor Wikicology

Hi Demiurge1000. Did you have a look at the latest article he had written? It seems fairly reliable on first glance but not when you actually start to research it. I normally don't "mentor" editors here and to be honest, I really have no wish to do so either. I don't know what I'm supposed to do now. Is this more your thing perhaps or should someone else take over the situation? I feel very sorry for Wikicology because, as was mentioned by Stalwart, Wikicology is an enthusiastic believer in this whole Misplaced Pages project and it would be a pity to not find a place for this editor to exhibit whatever talents they have. Unfortunately, writing articles seems more "miss" than "hit". - Takeaway (talk) 23:13, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

@Takeaway: I haven't had time to look at the article, but I am willing to trust your summary of the situation. This kind of thing is very difficult. As you point out, enthusiasm at this level is important and not something to be thrown away, but there are major difficulties. A very heavy mentoring scheme would work (I have made it work before), but I don't have time to take that on, and there is a serious shortage of people who could or would.

Incidentally, technically speaking you may be half right; there are non-English languages used within Nigeria, and different parts of the population are likely to be more fluent in those than in English. This doesn't really help much, though; it may be that Wikicology is fluent in the "broken English" that our article on the subject rather insultingly suggests is widespread, but there is no Broken English Misplaced Pages either. We could perhaps encourage him to concentrate on translating English Misplaced Pages articles to different Nigerian local languages? But perhaps not for us to say.

You have been very generous and diligent in helping the situation, but you should probably disengage on Wikicology's talk page because (I haven't looked recently but) there is probably nothing good to come out of that conversation now. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:41, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

After today's interaction, I wasn't planning on commenting on his talk page any longer. I don't think that there is much more that I can say to him than what has been said already there and on the ANI page. I thank you for expressing your trust in my summary of the whole issue. I wish it were different but unfortunately, things are as they are. Regards, Takeaway (talk) 22:49, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Misinterpreting each other at the Teahouse

I apologize for my words. I chose them poorly. My only meaning was that we should treat people with dignity and courtesy at Misplaced Pages. I did not make that clear, and it is no one's fault but my own that my comments were not chosen correctly. I didn't mean to imply that YOU were doing anything wrong, or that YOU were boorish or anything like that. Far from it, you're consistently one of the most respectful people here. My only point was that too many people at Misplaced Pages believe that they can act unprofessionally (and by that I mean boorish rude; and again, not YOU. Just people who are boorish and rude) and treat it like other people's problem. My only meaning of acting professionally is to accord others dignity and courtesy and to treat them in a way that is inviting rather than hostile. I hope that my words this time make my meaning clearer. And again, that we're having this conversation together doesn't mean that I think you are guilty of any of those things. My intent here is to talk with you about the topic, not at you as though you did anything wrong. You didn't. I certainly did, and I am entirely sorry for that. --Jayron32 21:15, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jayron, thank you for this, it makes me feel a lot better. (I am well aware of how much you help others not just at the Teahouse but also at the Reference Desks.) I have been rather insistent on this topic because I have a problem with the word and how it is (sometimes) used on Misplaced Pages, and I think my somewhat strident (and in any case tangential) remarks have clashed with your rightly strong feelings about how it is important to act responsibly on Misplaced Pages. Despite your kind words, I am probably not the very most respectful or polite of people at the Teahouse (maybe I come in the top 20?), and I can certainly be abrasive outside the Teahouse. However, over time I have realised the value the Teahouse has, and I have adapted my earlier reluctant following of the "Teahouse rules", to a rather more willing promotion of its values.

I'm a little too mechanistic in my approach to such things, but one of the ways I try to keep Misplaced Pages a little more professional (however one defines the term) is that help desk and Teahouse enquiries and the like should not be lingering two or three days without an answer. This sort of thing makes a big difference to how outsiders perceive how much we care about them - and therefore the likelihood of their involvement or support of Misplaced Pages. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:44, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Sitush block

I'm curious - did you actually feel threatened? I'm sure you know about the ANI discussion. Dougweller (talk) 19:05, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

In reviewing the comment made to Sitush , I can't see how was inflaming or baiting in any way. I don't understand the angry response to it. Perhaps there's some baggage between Demiurge and Sitush of which I am not aware. JoeSperrazza (talk) 13:51, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

@JoeSperrazza:Possibly, but I don't believe that Demiurge took it seriously and Sitush has assured me that he never meant it as anything more than figurative - he wasn't threateneing violence.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs)

It's a little more complicated than that, and it would not be accurate to say I did not take it seriously. The threat did have a significant chilling effect (in more ways than one), but it didn't have me phoning up the police - which is what one should do if one is in real fear of immediate physical danger.

I will perhaps have time to expand on that properly at some point, but I ought to say here that, following information relayed to me within the last hour, from my perspective a re-instatement of the block now would no longer serve a preventative purpose. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

About a username

I believe it's "Lithistman" (as in "literature" and "history"—see his talkpage), not "Listhitman." Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Egads, I of all people should have spotted that. The tone and volume of his comments eclipsed any thought of a diligent scholar poring over well-worn texts of Cicero, and instead had me assuming some impetuous individual with a witty transposition in the style of User:Ragesoss (not that Sage is impetuous, though). Having "DIE" in big letters as part of a major feature of the user page is an unfortunate coincidence too.

Thanks, I will go and find out if my comment is still somewhere it can be struck. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:29, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Startup

Hi Demiurge1000. You were kind enough to help me with the article that had been written about my company youngStartup Ventures.

I've since put up a lot of information about the company from third party sources on the talk page, but I see that there hasn't been much movement in the content. What can be done about that now? Thank you, Joe Joe Benjamin (talk) 20:09, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Neutrality Flag on page

Hi Demiurge1000, you kindly added a flag on the wikipedia page on myself I just updated, the flag signalling issues with neutrality. If you kindly look at the talk page you will see that the original page had many inaccuracies and I cut it down considerably. I merely edited it to comply with standards. Can we remove this flag? The latest edit that triggered the flag is due to the inline citations I added to comply with the previous flag. It does sound bad to have a flag on neutrality on top of the page, it looks like I created the page for my own benefit and this is not the case really. Let me know if you have any objection on the removal of the flag. Thanks. Damiano (talk) 18:29, 23 September 2014 (GMT) PS Thank you for your quick response, much appreciated. Damiano — Preceding unsigned comment added by Damianobrigo (talk • contribs) 17:21, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Islamic Human Rights Commision

Dear Demiurge1000, I have undid your deletion on the above titled page as it was neutral and had a greater level of neutrality than the previous pages. If you disagree with this please create a new section under the talk section of that page to bring it open to wider debate. 188.220.118.149 (talk) 21:17, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Dear Demiurge1000, THIS IS A NOTICE TO CEASE AND DESIST YOUR EDIT WARRING

Please refer to the three-revert rule states: An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period. An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert. Violations of the rule normally attract blocks of at least 24 hours. Any appearance of gaming the system by reverting a fourth time just outside the 24-hour slot is likely to be treated as an edit-warring violation. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Edit_warring

The edit that was made is not personal commentary from myself but information given under oath to the home office select committee. It is and will be placed within the UK's national archives and is public record.

20:27, 28 September 2014 (UTC)188.220.118.149 (talk)

Thank you

Thank you so much Demiurge1000. I really appreciate your effort in making me a better wikipedian. I also thank you for discussing my issue with Jamie Tubers. To be sincere with you, am not really fluent in Nigerian languages, and am just learning to speak it. I understand that there are lots for me to learn here on English wikipedia, I think I have enough time to do so and am ready to learn . Please be my mentor and I won't disappoint you but if you are too busy for that, I will appreciate any experienced editor you can recommend. I know someday, you will be proud of me. Thanks. Wikicology (talk) 20:40, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello and thanks

I wonder when and where I find the approval ("course right") for my course that I attempted to register? Leeirish (talk) 21:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your persistence! It seems likely the response would be at Misplaced Pages:Education noticeboard within a few days. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Hi,

thank you very much for granting me access to my deleted page! It helped a lot! You can delete the page "vera dik" now.

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Re: Your message

Hello,

You inserted to my talk page standard template of warning in case of removing content. You wrote a message, I should rather edit instead of reverting. I can't agree with You in 100 %. I use Huggle, which is a tool for dealing with vandalism or other unconstructive edits on Wikimedia projects. It is not created to edit pages (although it has got that kind of option), but to patrol recent changes. When I saw, the edit was not made properly (because of resources' syntax) I reverted it (basing on theAGF) and informed author in review summary what to change - that means to use Template:Cite web. That kind of reverts are, if I know the policies, ok. They blocks disabling poorly formated content and inform revison's author what to do (what to improve). So, thank You, for Your edits, but please also understand my opinion. Regards, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 17:47, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

October 2014

Hello, I'm XXN. I noticed that you recently removed some content from TinKode without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! XXN (talk) 22:34, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

I've struck your templated warning as it's blatantly incorrect. Please read WP:BLP. Then, please act on it in the future. If you do not do so, you may be blocked from editing. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Monument to Misplaced Pages in Slubice

Demiurge1000, it's not too late. Słubice is only 1 hour drive from Berlin, one of the busiest air hubs of continental Europe, I'm sure you could catch a flight there. And there's plenty of cheap rail and bus connections between Berlin and Frankfurt (it's right across the river from Słubice, you can actually see Germany from where the monument will stand). Ryanair and Wizzair also fly to Poznań regularly (from Dublin, Bristol, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Liverpool and London, not to mention other places), Słubice is only 2 hours by train from there. You could contact User:Magalia who is going to the ceremony from Poznań. Unfortunately I won't make it there, but I really hope we'll have a chance to meet in person one day.

P.S. I'm trying to push two more articles on historical battles through the eye of a needle FA process: Battle of Warsaw (1831) and the Warsaw Uprising (1794). I'm pretty sure you're fed up with Polish history articles after editing the article on Radzymin 1920, but just in case I'm wrong I'll leave those two links here. :) //Halibutt 23:30, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

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