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:I was the one who used the term "Subsequent." It is clear the "Movement" has not continuously had protesters in the streets worldwide. Because it was a global activity, with a lot of associated events going on, there is no specific end date to the protests. Each geographically sub- article discusses the specific dates of their encampments. Occupy London is notably active currently with protests and encampments in the streets. Similarly, it would be difficult to pin down a wholesale set of goals. I haven't bothered to retrace the historical portions of the article that went through massive editing by others. I have posted various links on multiple articles that document other, less public activities by the "Movement" as I find out about them in the press. That shows it is still active and ongoing. There is no date of death as so many want to post. So what is it you want added? Do you have additional sourced information that is missing? ] (]) 03:55, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
:I was the one who used the term "Subsequent." It is clear the "Movement" has not continuously had protesters in the streets worldwide. Because it was a global activity, with a lot of associated events going on, there is no specific end date to the protests. Each geographically sub- article discusses the specific dates of their encampments. Occupy London is notably active currently with protests and encampments in the streets. Similarly, it would be difficult to pin down a wholesale set of goals. I haven't bothered to retrace the historical portions of the article that went through massive editing by others. I have posted various links on multiple articles that document other, less public activities by the "Movement" as I find out about them in the press. That shows it is still active and ongoing. There is no date of death as so many want to post. So what is it you want added? Do you have additional sourced information that is missing? ] (]) 03:55, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
::As stated in my previous post, I do not know much about this topic. So, no, I do not have sourced information which I wish to add (and if I did I would simply add it). What I do know is that the bulk of the article as it stands reflects a 2011 or early 2012 perspective, and it is now late 2014, so the article requires updating. I suspect (but do not know) that the movement continues in a significantly different form, and if this is the case, the article needs to reflect this. I appreciate your efforts in adding recent references, but these do seem like they've been tagged on to the end. So what we have is a 2012 article with a series of addenda, which isn't the same as up-to-date article. The lead needs rewriting to reflect whatever has happened since 2012. The ''Background'' section is probably fine, but the ''Goals'', ''Methods'', ''Chronology'', ''Reactions'' and ''Impact'' sections need updating. The ''Criticism'' section requires expansion, but that's a slightly different issue (it seems imply that there is a significant body of criticism, but only refers to 2 examples). I think probably ''Subsequent Activity'' should be merged into a rewritten ''Chronology'' (which could, for example, be divided by year). I would be amazed if there is not academic literature charting the movement's history and evolution. The article has a very rich set of references, but they're almost all to news reports. Per ] "When available, academic and peer-reviewed publications, scholarly monographs, and textbooks are usually the most reliable sources." So what I would really like would be for someone with the relevant academic background to rewrite the article to reflect the current consensus. Failing that, I would like someone involved in the movement to update the article in the areas indicated (although of course that raises possible POV issues).] (]) 12:01, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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I dispute the assertion that a line can be drawn between the Occupy movementas well as the Tea Party movement. The statement cannot be found in sources 26, 27 or 28 so can somebody involved please tell the source of this? The two have radically different objectives, the latter being primarily a right wing movement instigated by the Koch family. If somebody does not respond I will remove the relevent material. KingHiggins (talk) 18:16, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
there are similar grievances among occupiers and original tea party people (not the AstroTurf-corporate tea party people). HOWEVER it is the actions and views to fix those grievances where Occupy and the TP
differ greatly. --Sfiga (talk) 15:34, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
it's obvious that the closing chapter is missing. Also, there seems to be no update for all the countries that on this page claim to still protest.--Wuerzele (talk) 03:37, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Article requires update
I see that somebody above has defended the use of the present tense on the basis that the Occupy Wall Street website is still live (although that post itself is over a year old). That may well be, although I've seen sources which suggest that movement is functionally dead (e.g. The Guardian, BuzzFeed). I don't know much about it, but I do know that the movement is not the same today as it was in 2011, and this is not reflected in the article.
At a basic level, there are a large number of dates without years, which is contrary to WP:DATE. For example under Goals we have "During the early weeks", "Speaking on 7 October", and so on. The Occupy movement in Norway is stated to have started on "15 October". I suspect all of these dates are 2011, and that the edits were made in 2011 so that the editor considered it unnecessary to state the year, and that the article was at that time an example of WP:RECENTISM.
The section Chronology of Events is bizarre, because the period 17 September 2011 to 31 December 2011 is broken down into intervals of 3-5 weeks, then there is a final section covering the entire period 1 January 2012 to present, and this section really doesn't explain what the movement is doing now. I can't see that it refers to any sources postdating September 2013. Again the article seems to be largely written from a 2011 or early 2012 perspective with various addenda shoved into the final section.
I was the one who used the term "Subsequent." It is clear the "Movement" has not continuously had protesters in the streets worldwide. Because it was a global activity, with a lot of associated events going on, there is no specific end date to the protests. Each geographically sub- article discusses the specific dates of their encampments. Occupy London is notably active currently with protests and encampments in the streets. Similarly, it would be difficult to pin down a wholesale set of goals. I haven't bothered to retrace the historical portions of the article that went through massive editing by others. I have posted various links on multiple articles that document other, less public activities by the "Movement" as I find out about them in the press. That shows it is still active and ongoing. There is no date of death as so many want to post. So what is it you want added? Do you have additional sourced information that is missing? Trackinfo (talk) 03:55, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
As stated in my previous post, I do not know much about this topic. So, no, I do not have sourced information which I wish to add (and if I did I would simply add it). What I do know is that the bulk of the article as it stands reflects a 2011 or early 2012 perspective, and it is now late 2014, so the article requires updating. I suspect (but do not know) that the movement continues in a significantly different form, and if this is the case, the article needs to reflect this. I appreciate your efforts in adding recent references, but these do seem like they've been tagged on to the end. So what we have is a 2012 article with a series of addenda, which isn't the same as up-to-date article. The lead needs rewriting to reflect whatever has happened since 2012. The Background section is probably fine, but the Goals, Methods, Chronology, Reactions and Impact sections need updating. The Criticism section requires expansion, but that's a slightly different issue (it seems imply that there is a significant body of criticism, but only refers to 2 examples). I think probably Subsequent Activity should be merged into a rewritten Chronology (which could, for example, be divided by year). I would be amazed if there is not academic literature charting the movement's history and evolution. The article has a very rich set of references, but they're almost all to news reports. Per WP:RS "When available, academic and peer-reviewed publications, scholarly monographs, and textbooks are usually the most reliable sources." So what I would really like would be for someone with the relevant academic background to rewrite the article to reflect the current consensus. Failing that, I would like someone involved in the movement to update the article in the areas indicated (although of course that raises possible POV issues).Havelock Jones (talk) 12:01, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
