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Kandreyev (talk) 06:20, 31 October 2014 (UTC)kandreyev

Deutsche Standard

New sources will be added within 2 weeks, as i did not have time due to a new job. 172.56.17.79 (talk) 02:01, 4 June 2014‎ (UTC)

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How to apply for unblock

I was wondering from which account I should apply for the unblock, the cyrillic one User:Иронгрон, or my original one User:Irongron, as I have done lots of edits on both and actually it's the edits on the cyrillic one that I would like to restore, pending any unblocking. I really did improve the articles and rectified most of the references that were needed and corrected many inaccuracies. I do note that out of maybe up to a dozen articles that were reverted, you kept 2 intact, my edits for Convair_F-106_Delta_Dart and the edit in the Rescue section in Rocket#Rescue. This is surely indicative that my edits, setting the sock puttetry aside, were good contributions. It would be a shame to waste them. So for the sake of accuracy and the integrity of wikipedia I would like to apply for an unblock on the relevant account, but I would like to be guaranteed the right to revert all the outstanding articles and if need be manually add in any intermediate edits so as not to trash other peoples contributions. Maybe you could reply by email ? Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.147.35 (talk) 06:05, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

089baby IP's

You said the other day that I should report further 089baby sock IP's to you. Well, I've got one for you: 203.144.92.154 (talk · contribs). Like the last one, this IP has reinstated a bunch of edits from blocked IP's and accounts. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:05, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

... Sigh ... @Sir Sputnik: I have blocked the IP address, reverted its edits, and semi-protected recently affected articles for a while. It won't get rid of the nuisance, but it will hinder him a bit. I would like to consider the possibility of a range block covering the latest IP address, but the tool for checking edits from an IP range is not working, and I don't block a range without first checking to see how much (if any) constructive editing comes from the range. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:19, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

• @Sir Sputnik: Update: by the tedious process of checking each IP address one by one, I have found a fairly large range of IP addresses where every single edit ever made has clearly been from this editor, and including 203.144.92.154, so I have blocked that range for a year. That will not stop him, but it will make it a little more difficult for him to find new IP addresses when others are blocked. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I'm less convinced that these steps will be as ineffective as you think. After all, last March a well placed rangeblock lead him to actually interact for the first time after two years of disruptive editing. I guess time will tell. For future reference, there is a new range contribution tool here. It's not nearly as good as the old one, and it's horribly slow, but it's better than nothing. Finally, I have to object a little to the semi-protection of Thiago Cunha. He's edited the article just once, and it's outside his usual area of interest (best I can tell, Mr. Cunha has no connection to Cambodia). Feel free to disagree with me on this, but I think semi-protecting this page will to slightly more harm than good. Thanks again. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:10, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Kakinada Rural (Assembly constituency)

I saw the message that a page with the above name was deleted, I want to create the page. I do not know what the other user wrote, but I have good references.--Vin09 (talk) 17:27, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

@Vin09: The full and complete text of the deleted article was "hello sir.." I am very willing to believe you can create a better one than that, so please go ahead! The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:42, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh is it! Fine, I'll write a good article. Thanks James.--Vin09 (talk) 04:23, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you look at?

] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:45, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Trouble in the world of Wiki

Greetings James. Can you help me with this user (talk)? He / She has accused me of being dishonest, a duck and either a sock puppet or a meat puppet. He / She seems to have a very personal issue with me / or the company so he / she is taking that out on the https://en.wikipedia.org/SMH_Records page. The edits are disruptive and the user has been warned about his / her behavior from a Wiki Admin (I'm assuming it's an Admin) recently for something unrelated to me. He / She was "warned to refrain from edit warring and needlessly inflammatory rhetoric in the future. Further instances of similar misconduct may result in serious sanctions" according to his/her history. Would be helpful for a third party to look at the page SMH Records.Sowhatchawant (talk) 03:22, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

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Hell in a Bucket (talk) 08:57, 19 October 2014 (UTC) X2 Hell in a Bucket (talk) 14:16, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Please restore Hou Sui Underground Civilization (Hou Sui Chao)

Please restore "Hou Sui Underground Civilization (Hou Sui Chao)" article. It is contained cites from legal chinese text and references.

Will you review at least the article? It is different from another.

Please read the original text at the ctext.org so you known that sources is legal and authentics. So the article can appear again.

Thanks, this is my problems and world problems.

"Hou Sui Underground Civilization (Hou Sui Chao)" is made from article wizard too.

Please restore the page. ADHZ07111989 (talk) 21:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Soapboxing/Deleted Page

Hello I am Pharo Starr. All the information I presented as well as companied linked to my wiki were all 100 percent true. I do not understand how to put valid information about myself without being deleted. Please help. Writerofsongz (talk) 15:06, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

@Writerofsongz: The page was not deleted because of doubts about its truth, it was deleted because it was promotional. Misplaced Pages is a project to build an encyclopaedia, not a social network site, a host for personal web pages, or a medium for posting self-promotional pages. There are many web sites where you can post a personal web page telling the world all about yourself and your work, but Misplaced Pages is not one of them. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:11, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok I understand my error. I didn't know that linking websites was a no go. Thank you for the information. Is there a way to get the information I presented put back up there. I can take the website links off.

Writerofsongz (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Feedback on user-reported administrator board

Thanks for your feedback on the user-reported administrator board. To your point on Boonchong chua acting in good (but misguided) faith vs. vandalism: I have previously tried to help this user on Talk:Agoda.com by explaining actions and linking to relevant guidelines. The user has since been going through the page deleting blocks of entries.

When contributions from user Boonchong chua are reduced to simply deleting any new entries I'm not clear on what further action is available. I would like to be able to maintain this page as I believe it's particularly relevant to readers with an interest in multi-national businesses that are based in Asia.

Any help and advice is much appreciated.

Reykcollider (talk) 11:16, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

@Reykcollider: OK, I didn't see your messages at Talk:Agoda.com, but I saw that nobody had explained to the editor on his or her talk page what the problems were. It might have been a good idea to mention the article talk page messages in your AIV report. It still wouldn't really have been vandalism, but sometimes I deal with problems even if they are reported in the wrong place. Having said that, though, I see on looking back that Boonchong chua has not edited since 12 October, nine days ago, so there is no point in doing anything now. Obviously, if and when he/she comes back, that can be reconsidered. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:31, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri

I saw that you deleted this page, Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri, from the Userspace, but the User recreated it in article space. Thought you might like to know. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 16:54, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Also the user has now added a redirect under a different spelling. Speedy tagged article. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 17:42, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

@Wtwilson3: Thanks for letting me know. I have decided that the editor's endless attempts to use Misplaced Pages for promotion (possibly, despite his denials, self-promotion) have gone on long enough, and I have indefinitely blocked the account. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

Happy_Attack_Dog (Throw Me a Bone) 17:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Prajyot mahajan

Hi,

Myself Fredrick Ellifsen, i am the manager of Prajyot mahajan. The page Prajyot Mahajan is not unambiguously promotional also it is not an autobiography, it is a user page made by myself and i made this page with the name of my artist prajyot mahajan , because... the people in india must know about the biography of artist prajyot mahajan. He is an musician and we have legal information :

1. official facebook fan page account i.e www.facebook.com/mahajan.prajyot

2. official website i.e www.prajyotmahajan.in

3. twitter account www.twitter.com/prajyotmahajan

4. Reverbnation www.reverbnation.com/prajyotmahajan

also refer news articles page :

http://www.deshdoot.com/detail_archive_news.php?type=region&id=4318241&region=Deshdoot Times&month=5&year=2014&cid=

We are not at all promoting any bussiness, its just we are helping this artist to get on internet, as people look on internet for finding information and history about prajyot mahajan

Please do look after it and cancel the page deletion. either you people make the Profile, i will provide the matter or let me do the same.

Contact Email id : mahajan.prajyot2@gmail.com

Regards,

Fredrick Ellifsen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prajyotmahajan (talk • contribs) 20:51, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi,

Myself Fredrick Ellifsen i am the manager of Prajyot mahajan. The page Prajyot Mahajan is not unambiguously promotional also it is not an autobiography, it is a user page made by myself and i made this page with the name of my artist prajyot mahajan , because... the people in india must know about the biography of artist prajyot mahajan. He is an musician and we have legal information :

1. official facebook fan page account i.e '''www.facebook.com/mahajan.prajyot''' 2. official website i.e '''www.prajyotmahajan.in''' 3. twitter account '''www.twitter.com/prajyotmahajan''' 4. Reverbnation '''www.reverbnation.com/prajyotmahajan'''

also refer news articles page :

'''http://www.deshdoot.com/detail_archive_news.php?type=region&id=4318241&region=Deshdoot Times&month=5&year=2014&cid='''

We are not at all promoting any bussiness, its just we are helping this artist to get on internet, as people look on internet for finding information and history about prajyot mahajan

Please do look after it and cancel the page deletion. either you people make the Profile, i will provide the matter or let me do the same.

Contact Email id : mahajan.prajyot2@gmail.com

Regards, Fredrick Ellifsen — Preceding unsigned comment added by FredrickEllifsen (talk • contribs) 02:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

hello,

i want to know that without violating any rights why are you people deleting the page. the page is not a promotional/self/bio/advert . please do undelete the page name with article "Prajyot Mahajan" Regards Fredrick — Preceding unsigned comment added by FredrickEllifsen (talk • contribs) 07:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

FYI: this was also raised at REFUND and I have given some advice at WP:REFUND#prajyot mahajan. JohnCD (talk) 10:20, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

PS: that'll teach me to AGF! It turns out that the article was largely copied from another, and on investigation I find no RS for any of the glowing claims. FredrickEllifsen blocked as a hoaxer. JohnCD (talk) 17:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

@JohnCD: Hmm. well, you have saved me the time and trouble of writing a message to the editor explaining in detail what the problems with the article were, which I was going to do once I found time. Of course, it's so much less work to copy someone else's article and edit it a bit than to write one's own article from scratch. I was also totally unconvinced by the "I'm not Prajyot Mahajan" line. I've seen it so many times before: you use your own name to create a promotional article about yourself, then you receive a message telling you that autobiographies are discouraged, so you claim that you are not you at all, and just used the name of the person you were writing about as a username. Sometimes, that may be true, and I can't be 100% sure it wasn't this time, but I got a definite feeling that it wasn't. All along, I thought it was almost certainly only a matter of time before the editor got indef-blocked for one reason or another (promotion, persistently re-creating an unsuitable page, refusal to accept consensus, NOTHERE, or whatever) so probably it's just as well that it happened sooner rather than later, so that less time was wasted by all concerned. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, and when Google shows up strings of social-media entries but nothing substantial, that indicates another hopeful wannabe who thinks the way to fame is to spread himself all over the internet, rather than to work at actually achieving something. JohnCD (talk) 20:06, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Large Rangeblock

I have noticed that you have blocked the entire range of 64.26.64.0-64.26.127.255, which comprises 16382 IP addresses covering all public libraries in the entire state of Maryland. Is it now policy to block all public-access computers, including blocking of account creation? You mention on your user page that you first created your account because you were trying to edit from a blocked computer; however, if account-creation had been blocked, would you have been able to create your account? Even if the answer be “yes,” there is a digital divide and not everybody is as lucky as I to have access to a home computer. What I suggest is any one of three possible compromises,

• Shorten the block so that it is only for 1 year instead of 4 years;
• Reduce the size of the block, so that it covers only those /24's that have actually originated vandalism; or
• enable account creation, unless Misplaced Pages:CheckUser has revealed that people in this block of IPs have been socking;

or a combination of the above. Of course, if it is official policy to block all public-access computers, then please feel free to disregard my comments. Thank you. Bwrs (talk) 23:23, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

@Bwrs: I fully understand your concerns. Any range block must run the risk of causing collateral damage, and should, in my opinion, be used only following a very careful consideration of all the circumstances, including a thorough check of the editing history of the whole range. Unfortunately, there is some problem with the wmf labs, and none of the range-checking tools is running, so I can't check the history at present, and since the block dates from a year ago, I don't remember the details. I will try to check the history as soon as I can, and consider your suggestions. However, I will give you such answers to your points as I can in the absence of the historical details.

I never block any IP range without first extensively checking the editing history of the range. When I placed that block, my immediately previous activity on Misplaced Pages had been dealing with some open proxies, with my last action having taken place 18 minutes before I placed the block. I think it is highly likely that all of those 18 minutes were spent checking the history of that IP range. I would almost certainly not have made such a block unless (1) there was an extensive history of vandalism or other disruptive editing from the range, (2) there was very little if any constructive editing from the range, and (3) the disruptive editing was spread substantially over the range, rather than being limited to one or two small subranges. I can certainly check, once the range-checking tools are back online, whether the problems were restricted to a limited number of smaller ranges, such as the /24 ranges that you suggest, and if so then obviously it will be better to restrict the blocks to those smaller ranges.

In the block notice which is displayed to anyone who tries to edit from this range, the following sentence appears: "If account creation is disabled and you are unable to create an account elsewhere, you can request one by filling out this form", and the words "this form" link to https://accounts.wmflabs.org/ . This means that it is possible for anyone without access to a computer elsewhere (e.g. at home) to create an account. Obviously, it is more trouble to do so, and causing such extra trouble for innocent editors is undesirable, but it is a matter of balancing that disadvantage against the advantages of stopping vandalism.

Blocking IP addresses and not blocking account creation is normally reserved for username blocks, where the editor is encouraged to shift to a new username. It is difficult to think of a situation where an IP block that didn't block account creation would be useful, as it would simply enable any vandal to immediately get round the block, and so would achieve nothing. If anything, that would make things worse rather than better, as instead of an identifiable IP range where we know there is likely to be vandalism, so we can watch out for it, there would be an unknown number of accounts, with no way of linking them together or of knowing which of the vast number of registered accounts might be involved.

Of course there are constructive edits from public libraries, but in the majority of public library systems they are vastly outnumbered by vandalism edits. In fact public libraries are second only to schools in terms of how large a majority of edits are vandalism. Suppose there have been thousands of vandalism edits from a particular public library over the course of many years, and a few tens of constructive edits in the same time. (That is a perfectly realistic and typical situation). Let us suppose that, in response to that vandalism, a range block is placed for a short time. As a result, for a short time we lose a significant amount of vandalism that we would otherwise have had, and we may or may not also lose a few constructive edits. After the short time, the vandalism starts up again. Very probably the vandalism from any one IP address is sporadic, with significant gaps between short bursts of vandalism. Some of these bursts may be accompanied by warnings on the IP talk pages, some may not. Nobody sees the overall pattern of continual vandalism from the whole range, so for most of the time nobody reports the vandalism to AIV, and so nothing is done to prevent the vandalism. Occasionally, when the level of vandalism on one particular IP address gets particularly high, that IP address may be blocked, but probably for only a very short time, as only a small fraction of the total vandalism is seen as coming from that IP address. The result is that for many years there are thousands of vandalism edits from the IP range, just as there were before the block, so the block stopped only a tiny fraction of the vandalism. As I have already said, at present I can't check the editing history of this range, but it is very likely that what I have just described is exactly what happened; certainly there was a short-term block on the range a couple of years before I placed the longer block, and certainly I have seen many cases which happened exactly as I have described. For any IP block on any public library which has been the source of almost entirely vandalism for years, when the block expires the result is that the flood of vandalism restarts. At best, the block is restored very soon, so that the vandalism continues for only a short while, at worst we get the situation I have just described, where the vandalism continues unchecked for years. In either case, the net effect on the project is to allow vandalism that could easily have been avoided. There may or may not also be loss of a handful of constructive edits, but any IP block on a public IP address risks losing some constructive edits, and there is no reason to suppose that the ratio of constructive edits lost to disruptive edits avoided will be higher for a longer block than for a shorter one. This is a totally different situation from that which exists for a block on a dynamic address, where it is perfectly likely that the address will very soon be allocated to someone completely different from the vandal, so that any block for more than a very short time is unlikely to do more good than a short block, and may well do more harm than good, so that any more than a fairly short block is rarely justifiable.

Those are the sort of considerations which I take into account when considering a possible block such as the one you mention. Having said all that, though, I am willing to try ending the block and seeing what happens. If the range-edit checking tools were working, I would be willing to unblock now, with the understanding that I could keep an eye on any editing from the range for a while, but since those tools are not available, I am reluctant to unblock, which would leave no way of knowing whether the problematic editing had restarted. That being so, I shall keep checking, and when one or more of those tools becomes available I shall unblock. If a lot of vandalism starts up when the block is lifted, then obviously it will be possible to consider what if any new blocks to put in place. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:02, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

@Bwrs: The wmflabs rangecontribs tool is back online, and I have tried unblocking the range. Also, the wmflabs tool gives more information than the older toolserver tool, so it should be easier to tell whether any disruptive editing can be conveniently localised to smaller subranges. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 08:20, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. You can always reblock it if it revandalizes, and I did not fully consider the fact that a person without a home computer can request a username. In the past, all of Montgomery County edited from one single IP in that range, but that changed; I still think that the county would be a /24 or less. It is true that the entire range belongs to Maryland's public libraries, but in the past the "Sailor" system actually functioned as a cheap ISP. (I think that, for individuals outside the actual libraries, they provide dial-up only, though, and nobody uses dial-up any more .)

Also, thank you for explaining the significance of the difference between a library IP range and an ISP's dynamic-IP range. Although it should have been obvious, I didn't think that part of it through. Nevertheless, there is a huge difference between a range of 16,382 IP addresses and a smaller range of, say, 254 or even 1,024 IP addresses.

Finally, if the Maryland public libraries actually want to be blocked... feel free to put the whole block back, just mindful the larger block belongs to the whole state and there are smaller blocks administered by individual counties. Come to think of it... maybe the larger range block is merited, as counties have demographic characteristics and a block of an entire state's public libraries is probably fairer than a block of a county or group of counties that may be rich/poor/black/white/Hispanic/etc. Bwrs (talk) 01:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

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All right. I'll calm it down :) Razorflame 17:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

at October 2014

Reply to this.

Why is it not contructive? I only requested to remove previously draft to make new face build of the article. I am also using article wizard too.

The Later Sui Underground Civilization (Hou Sui) is made of legal text and authentic historical text. Please reconsider and restore the article. Please remove the previous of previous deletion submission of draft: Later Sui Empire since not valid for current draft.

It is stated that the Later Sui Empire need more references. So, I already add more cite and references at current version and also improved sentences.

Please help me and let's corporate with me. The solution is clear and I am uses more cites and sources of more books and also legally historical authentic chinese text as appear at online sources just like ctext.org.

If any question I would try the best to answer about my built articles. Please give me the permission to make the article.

ADHZ07111989 (talk) 15:45, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

If, as you claim, this is authentic history, why did you source it to wiki on "alternative history"? Also, why is it that when I search for the title of the page you created, I find nothing that is not clearly derived from your postings on Misplaced Pages? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 16:00, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Yet another sock

Good afternoon. Here we go again with 74.135.53.96 (talk · contribs), otherwise known as 98.28.115.67 (talk · contribs) and various other IP's, most recently 184.57.49.33 (talk · contribs). Today, he's back as 75.180.5.197 (talk · contribs) -- same geolocation to central Ohio, same nonsense edits, same articles. He's nothing if not persistent. Cheers, DoctorJoeE /_{talk to me!} 17:22, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

@DoctorJoeE: Thanks. WP:RBI implemented. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:20, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

thank you

Thank you for unblocking me. I have submitted a request for name change already.

You probably don't know how distressing it is to be blocked. You should do some role playing. One way to do it is to agree with an administrator to role play. Then that other administrator will agree and find a 3rd administrator (whose name you don't know) to role play. That 3rd administrator would then block you for vandalism (the same charge against me). That would occur at least a month after your agreement to role play so that it appears sudden to you. The 3rd administrator would then give you no hint that it is a role play and be slow to respond to a 4th administrator inquiring about unblocking you.

Thank you for your reading this.

EatingPoopIsBad (talk) 15:15, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Actually, that other administrator, Alexf, would probably benefit from that kind of role playing than you. EatingPoopIsBad (talk) 15:16, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

@EatingGlassIsBad: You say that I don't know how distressing it is to be blocked. Up to a point you are right, because I have never been blocked on Misplaced Pages, but I have been banned from another web site, because I was wrongly accused of doing something which I had not been doing, so I do have a good idea what it is like. In your case, not only were you blocked, but you were also accused of being here only to vandalise Misplaced Pages, which is clearly not true, and that must add significantly to the distress. I really do hope that you will now be able to edit without any further problems. Feel free to remove all the stuff about the block from your talk page, if you like. Also, please feel very welcome to come back to this page if you have any questions or need help. I don't promise to always be able to give you whatever help you need, but I will do my best. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:54, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

MAJOR EDITOR IS NOT ACQUAINTED TO SUBJECT - RESPONSE TO JAMES B WATSON

MAJOR EDITOR IS NOT ACQUAINTED TO SUBJECT - RESPONSE TO JAMES B WATSON

Dear James B Watson and Misplaced Pages audience,

This is Ariel Fernandez. It has been brought to my attention that a sign indicating an alleged connection between a major contributor to this article and myself, the subject, has been posted on my article. This is not correct, I am not aware of any such connection and I must request its immediate removal as it infringes BLP regulations. It is puzzling to me how you have made this inference, but it is simply not correct.

I have gone through the list of contributors to my article indicated in its history. I am not personally acquainted with any of them. I don´t know Jydog, James Watson (unless he is the double helix discoverer), Heidi Belkin (Hayde Belinky?) or any other person whose name is indicated in the history. I don´t understand how do you infer such connections or what you are trying to do. I recall having met Heidi way back on a legal matter.

While vastly incomplete, the article on me as it now stands seems fair, objective and accurate as far as I can see. It sems to be fairly well documented and seems to have been taken from verifiable sources including websites that I have edited myself.

I must ask you to please refrain from publishing such inferences. As far as I know, anybody is free to contribute to Misplaced Pages provided the subject is notable, the info is accurate and well documented and the tone is fair and balanced.

Should you have further questions, I would be happy to discuss them. My personal mail is ariel@afinnovation.com

Feel free to contact me at your convenience.

Ariel Fernandez, Ph. D. — — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.28.74.127 (talk) 15:43, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

What about requesting a check user? Bwrs (talk) 01:06, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

--Richard Yin (talk) 16:10, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Jonas

My only reservation is the 'Official' - I didn't take the LT seriously. He may have a point about the reverting - the creator of the article seems to me (without a detailed examination) to have a possible COI and a case of OWN as well. There have been a few SPAs trying to add new things, but being firmly knocked back, possibly with justification, but possibly not. This is why I pinged TG and PK - both fairminded and not involved. (I often ask MelanieN to look at things, which she seems to enjoy doing, but I think she's away at the moment.) Peridon (talk) 20:23, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

In another direction, reading further above being a nosy sod, I've never been blocked or banned from a website - yet... With some friends, I once found I was banned from a travelling fair. Which didn't distress us, 'cos we just went straight to the pub with a bit more money than we would have had otherwise, but we were puzzled. We couldn't remember having been in the fair at all to do anything to get banned for. Or getting drunk that night either (I couldn't - had to drive home). Odd. Takes a bit of doing, getting banned from a fair. They want the money. Peridon (talk) 20:31, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Peridon, thank you. That story absolutely made my week. Banned from a fair with no recollection as to why? Have wonderfully curious! --Jezebel's Ponyo 20:44, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

It was the night before we went that whatever it was was supposed to have happened. They wouldn't even tell us what it was. I mean, six of us couldn't all have forgotten it if it was that bad. Peridon (talk) 20:52, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Advertising

Before I go any further, I want to ask your opinion about advertising on Misplaced Pages.

There are some articles which have sections that really smacks of advertising. For example, in the United Airlines article, there is detailed mention of the different kinds of cabins, like BusinessFirst.

How about this quote as an example....

Food and snacks are available for purchase on domestic, Caribbean, and some Latin America flights. Meals are complimentary on all other international flights. Shortly after takeoff, passengers are served cocktail snacks and free non-alcoholic drinks. Alcoholic drinks are not complimentary for economy passengers on international flights.

Or....

The United Global First Suite is 6.5 ft (2.0 m) long and when reclined it creates a fully flat bed. All seats are equipped with a personal LCD television with Audio-Video-on-Demand (AVOD), an adjustable headrest, an iPod adapter, a US-style 120-volt power outlet, a large tray table, and other amenities

EatingGlassIsBad (talk) 17:08, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Compare the above to Pan American World Airways. No advertising about seating in that article. EatingGlassIsBad (talk) 17:10, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Some may say to leave sleeping dogs lie and just let advertising exists. I am not going to fight with anyone but want to bring up this point. Also know that politicians and companies routinely (according to a newspaper article) pay people to edit in Misplaced Pages and some even are so sophisticated that they attack and block those who stand in their way. This is particularly true with politicians and their supporters. Note, I have no conflict of interest disclosures to make such as no relationship to United, no beef against them, etc. EatingGlassIsBad (talk) 17:13, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

It's amusing that "EatingGlassIsBad" compared the United Airlines article to the Pan American World Airways article, an airline that has been out of business for many years...no seats or cabin services are available at this time to compare to. Why not compare to American Airlines where you will find the same advertising? Do you plan to remove the advertising from the American Airlines article? If not, it would appear that some editors do have "a beef against" United Airlines. Postoak (talk) 20:15, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

@Postoak: I think you are jumping to conclusions there. It is absurd to assume that someone has "a beef against" the subject of an article just because they mention problems with that article, and don't mention problems on one of the other four and a half million articles on English Misplaced Pages. EatingGlassIsBad may not have seen the article American Airlines. If he or she has seen it, he or she may think that there is advertising there too, but just mentioned one example, rather than every example he/she has seen. Assuming bad faith on his/her part without evidence is unconstructive. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:25, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

@EatingGlassIsBad: You asked for my opinion about advertising on Misplaced Pages. I'll give you my opinion, but before I do I'll point out, in case you don't already know, that it is Misplaced Pages policy, and not just my opinion, that advertising is unacceptable, as you can see at Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not#Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox or means of promotion. There is also Misplaced Pages:Spam, which is officially a "guideline" rather than a policy, but the difference is not very significant.

OK, so advertising is not considered acceptable. However, there is enormous variation among different editors about what counts as advertising. I personally am well towards the intolerant end of the spectrum, in other words I often see something as unacceptably promotional where some other people think it's OK. (And when I say "some other people", I mean some other perfectly good-faith Misplaced Pages editors, not just the people who are only here to use Misplaced Pages for advertising.) However, the examples you have given are absolutely blatant advertising, and even people far more tolerant of slightly promotional content would find them unacceptable. I have removed the two sections where the quotes you gave come from. Some people might criticise me for removing the whole sections, rather than editing them down to make them less promotional, but I think (1) the whole sections were clearly written as promotional copy, (2) they really did not contain anything substantial of interest to the general reader of an encyclopaedia, as opposed to a potential customer, and (3) even if there were a few details that were worth keeping, the amount of time and work that it would have taken to find them and edit them could have been much more usefully spent on other work for the encyclopaedia. I have not read the whole article, I just looked at the two sections that you quoted from. If there is more of the same in other parts of the article, then please feel very free to remove it.

Any page which seems to be essentially nothing but an advertisement, or any other sort of promotion or propaganda, can be deleted without notice, under Misplaced Pages's criterion for speedy deletion G11. If you see any page which you think qualifies for deletion under that criterion, you can put {{db-promo}} or {{db-spam}} at the top of an article, to ask an administrator to look at it and decide whether it should be deleted.

It is certainly true that politicians and companies pay people to spam advertisements and propaganda into Misplaced Pages for them, and it is certainly true that some of them attack editors who who try to defend Misplaced Pages against them. It is sometimes said that they block other editors, which means that they have infiltrated Misplaced Pages and become administrators, but I don't actually know of any cases where that has been shown to be true, so it may be an unsubstantiated rumour. My personal opinion, since you asked for it, is editing Misplaced Pages for pay to promote businesses, politicians, or anything else, is totally against the spirit of Misplaced Pages, those who do it are contemptible, and Misplaced Pages should have no tolerance for them. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice and opinion. True, the American Airlines article has similar advertising. If I edit anything out, I should examine similar articles (United, American, Delta). I might not seek out every airline since that might seem like an opinionated mission. However, in the U.S., there are just 3 big airlines, maybe 4 if you count Southwest. EatingGlassIsBad (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't know where to begin!

It's not just the airlines, but look at cars.

Lexus IS Marketing

As part of the 2014 Lexus IS sport sedan launch in the US, Lexus and the Tony Hawk Foundation will be asking their fans and supporters to be part of a fan based decal that will be featured on the Lexus IS F CCS-R race car competing in Pikes Peak International Hill Climb. Fans will be able to enter their names via a response to a Lexus Facebook post, a Lexus Google+ post, a comment to a Lexus YouTube IS F CCS-R video and through Twitter and Instagram using #Lexus14K.

As part of the 2014 Lexus IS sport sedan launch in the US, 2 new television ads (Crowd, Color Shift) were produced by Lexus' agency of record, Team One, with Original music from Devo's Mark Mothersbaugh, and directed by Jonas Åkerlund. The 'Crowd' ad emphasizes that things designed to draw a crowd are good, but leaving the crowd behind is more rewarding. The 'Color Shift' ad shows it's more fun and exciting to blend out than blend in. The Two additional ads (This is Your Move, Intense) were created by Lexus' multicultural agency, Walton Isaacson, as part of the campaign. 'This is Your Move' was geared to the African-American audience, features Los Angeles Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp as he searches for something that matches his ambitious and driven personality. 'Intense' is targeted to the Hispanic audience and follows a young couple as they experience the thrills of driving the redesigned IS 250.

That's just two paragraphs! There's more. And not just Lexus. Look at Chrysler and VW.

I want to add things to Misplaced Pages, which I have, but there is so much that really shouldn't be part of an encyclopedia. If it were Wiki-reviews/Wiki-ads then it would be ok, but it's Misplaced Pages. To balance things, I plan to not just take away text, but also to add as good content as possible and not to choose (pick on) one company/nationality but to do several. EatingGlassIsBad (talk) 20:25, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

@EatingGlassIsBad: You are absolutely right. Trying to rid Misplaced Pages of advertising is a never-ending task. The best you can do is make some improvements in some places where you can. Realise that whatever any one person can do is going to be tiny in proportion to the amount of crap mixed in among the millions of articles on English Misplaced Pages, but at least you can know that you have made some improvements, and that Misplaced Pages is a little better because of your efforts. The answer to "I don't know where to begin" is " No, but just start somewhere, and get a little bit done." The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:35, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

deletion opinion

Because I was blocked recently, I want to play it safe.

I was thinking of submitting Krave (cereal) for deletion (AFD). The reason is that it is not notable. I can find no really strong references. It's merely a cereal brand.

I don't ask for your opinion, especially since administrators can decide on AFDs. Instead, I let you have a chance to notify me if you think my proposal is either disruptive or really wacky. If you think so, I won't submit an AFD. EatingGlassIsBad (talk) 20:31, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

@EatingGlassIsBad: I'll answer your question, but I'll also say some other things about this. I had never heard of "Krave" until I read your message. The article has no references except a page on a Kellogg's web site, which does nothing at all to suggest notability. I have done a Google search, and the early hits I saw were: pages on the Kellogg's web sites about Krave; pages on web sites of businesses selling Krave; a page at www.marketingmagazine.co.uk; Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. None of those are the sort of sources needed to establish notability, as they are either not independent sources or not reliable sources. That means that I saw nothing to indicate notability by Misplaced Pages standards. On the other hand, I can see various reasons why at AfD peole would argue that it si notable. Krave is produced by a very prominent big business, and at AfD there are likely to be people who would argue that it must therefore be notable, although the notability guidelines don't aupport that as evidence of notability. Google got 1,230,000 hits for Krave, and there would be likely to be people who would say that shows policy, but there are several reasons why the number of Google hits is not a reliable measure of notability, including the fact that those 1,230,000 hits include uses of the word "Krave" that have nothing to do with the cereal, such as this this this this and this, not to mention things like this. Looking at later pages of hits, rather than the first few pages, I found that in fact most of the hits have nothing to do with the cereal. The long and the short of it all is that I have not seen evidence of satisfying Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines, but for a product of a major company there would be likely to be people claiming that it is notable, and it is perfectly likely that among the 1230000 google hits somewhere there are hits that really do show notability. To answer your question, no I don't think that your proposal is either disruptive or really wacky, but I wouldn't be surprised if the AfD finished as "keep". Personally, I won't bother to nominate it for deletion, but if you are inclined to do so then feel free to go ahead. I ahve seen many nominations for deletion taht have had much less going for them. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:10, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

COI

Good morning. Sorry to bother you again, hope you can help me with another issue: User:Cornelia cefai identifies herself on her page as "Director, Business Development, Immuron Ltd". Immuron is an Australian company that makes a product called Travelan, an OTC medication for traveler's diarrhea. A few months ago, she began adding promotional material on her product to the Travelan and traveler's diarrhea articles. (You will note that every one of her 50 or so edits have been to those two articles, with the exception of a couple of notes on my talk page and one spam edit of colostrum.) I left a polite, detailed note on her talk page explaining what WP:COI is, and why she cannot edit the pages that she's editing, particularly with the promotional content that she's adding. She ignored it. I've modified her entries for neutrality, and to reflect what her one cited source actually says, and reminded her repeatedly in edit summaries that she's not supposed to be editing these articles at all. A couple of months ago she desisted and I thought I had finally gotten through to her, but last night she began again, announcing the introduction of her product in Canada, citing a press release as a source. She won't listen to me; perhaps she'll listen to you? Thanks in advance, DoctorJoeE /_{talk to me!} 06:01, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Joe. I have looked at her editing history, and I think it would not be totally out of the question to block right now, as a promotion-only account. However, except under very exceptional circumstances, I don't like blocking good-faith editors who have never been given any warning that a block may be possible, so instead I have given her a fairly long message explaining what I see as wrong with her editing, and why she may be blocked if she continues. After that, if she does any more promotional editing I will be willing to block. (Incidentally, some people would no doubt take issue with my description of her as a "good faith" editor. However, I have no reason to doubt that she is editing in perfectly good faith. Very large numbers of people come to edit Misplaced Pages sincerely thinking that "anyone can edit Misplaced Pages" means "anyone can edit Misplaced Pages in any way they like, including using it to promote their business/club/book/band/whatever", and honestly do not think they are doing anything wrong in using Misplaced Pages for promotion.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:10, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you -- I've been trying to AGF as well -- but it's getting progressively more difficult. DoctorJoeE /_{talk to me!} 17:23, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, no response to your note (nor to mine), and the new tactic is to trash her competitor, using a 10-year-old FDA source that's not really relevant. At least she's forcing me to improve the article by updating the source material; but if she were really editing in good faith, wouldn't she have at least answered your note? DoctorJoeE /_{talk to me!} 05:10, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

@DoctorJoeE: Yes. Clever. She avoids editing in a way which is openly promotional of her company's product, but without even mentioning that product she makes edits which she hopes will have the practical effect of promoting it. Clever, but not clever enough, because in conjunction with her other editing it confirms that she is here only for promotional purposes. Following the warnings she has been given about conflict of interest and promotion, that is enough, especially considering that the statements she makes are not actually in the source she cites, but are her own inference from what the source says. (The inference may or may not be correct, but that is not the point.) I have indefinitely blocked the account. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 08:31, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello James. At User talk:Cornelia cefai your block notice appears unsigned because you did not use enough tildes. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:12, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, Ed. Although it doesn't make any difference, for what it's worth I did include enough tildes, but two of them were in "include only" tags. That is because I copied and edited a message designed for transcluding, and forgot to remove the "include only" tags. Anyway, thanks to you, it is done now. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 16:17, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks one last time for handling this. Not to beat a dead horse, but I found it moderately amusing that she was trying to imply that bismuth subsalicylate isn't a TD preventative and her product is, when there is ample real-world evidence to support the former and zero, so far, for the latter. On top of that, the TGA (Australian version of the FDA) specifically prohibits using the words "prevents" or "protects" in the marketing of products like hers. In the immortal words of Leslie Nielson, "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." Cheers, DoctorJoeE /_{talk to me!} 18:49, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

089baby again

So much for my assertion last week that the latest round of blocks and salting would help stop this guy's sockpuppetry. Could you please have a look at 118hehe‎ (talk · contribs)? Thank you. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:16, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of a page

Hi James

I noticed that the page http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Ankur_Warikoo#Ankur_Warikoo was deleted by you on 11th October 2014. Can you please specify the reasons, so that I resubmit making sure it gets approved this time around. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.73.193.10 (talk) 10:20, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

The page had no content at all except for the title "Ankur Warikoo". The editor who created it had still made no attempt to add any content more than five months after creating the page. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:25, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

How to avoid the deletion of page for a company

hello JamesBWatson,

Please provide me the necessary details to avoid the page deletion and also i need this to launch now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pathpartner (talk • contribs) 14:32, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I have replied at User talk:Pathpartner. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:59, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Kelvin Wu

The reason I contested the PROD was that the article had already been nominated for speedy deletion and the nomination was withdrawn after the nominator agreed there appeared to be enough sources for GNG. You also placed a COI tag after I had already rewritten the article, removing everything that was written by the original poster. We do need people like you patrolling new articles, but you could look before you go spamming procedural stuff. --Sammy1339 (talk) 15:01, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sammy1339: Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. I also accept it was poor judgement on my part to put a COI tag on, and I should have thought a bit more before doing so. However, do you think that "spamming" is a good word to use? I don't regard what I did as spam, and even if you do, telling an editor that he or she is "spamming" is unlikely to encourage a cooperative attitude: in many cases it may just serve to antagonise the editor. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:19, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I apologize for my liberal use of that colloquialism. --Sammy1339 (talk) 20:19, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sammy1339: That's OK, no apology needed. I understood perfectly well what you meant, and I wasn't bothered about it, but I thought it might help to draw your attention to the fact that use of such words could be counterproductive with some editors, particularly new editors. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:29, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

What I have to do?

I want to move Thermomass Theory to Thermomass theory, because this is the standard title, but I don't know the procedure to follow. If you know it, can you please tell me how to do it, so the next time I will do by myself? Thank you. --Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 19:09, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your explanation. Now I understood. Sometimes it happens that I don't understand the rules here in en.wikipedia because I am thinking to the way it.wikipedia works. --Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 02:43, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Please put a semi-protect on 2014–15 S.S.C. Napoli season article

Hey, I need your help. The Napoli article has been the target recently of vandalism and persistent sockpuppetry. I want to have it semi-protected but I either am unable or don't know how. If you could explain how or do it yourself I would be grateful. Italia2006 (talk) 20:50, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

@Italia2006: You can't do it yourself, because only Misplaced Pages administrators can protect pages. If you can tell me what editing you think is vandalism and why, and what accounts you think are sockpuppets, I will consider whether to protect the article. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:56, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Essentially every IP address user for the past two days keeps switching around the article format to apparently suit their liking. They keep reverting all my edits (not reverting per say, but getting rid of). If you look at the history you'll see. I'm trying to maintain consistency across the Italian football project. This person apparently believes their version is better. I know it's sock puppetry because several different IP addresses keep making the exact same changes. Exactly the same. I have a feeling it's a certain named user. Italia2006 (talk) 21:01, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

@Italia2006:

1. One editor may often legitimately use a number of IP addresses without it being sockpuppetry, for at least two reason: they may edit from a dynamic IP connection, where the IP address is changed from time to time by the ISP, and they may edit from different places, such as at home, at work, and at a public library.
2. You say "This person apparently believes their version is better", which means that it can't be vandalism. Vandalism is deliberately unconstructive editing, not good faith editing which you happen to disagree with.
3. You say that the editor is "switching around the article format to apparently suit their liking", but presumably you switch it to suit your liking. Your opinion does not automatically take precedence over the other editor's opinion, and we don't protect pages in order to let one editor get his or her way in a dispute. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:21, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't think I've explained the situation well enough, but so be it. I'm talking about direct violations of the MOS. Forget the request. It's not to "get my way", it's to maintain absolute consistency over articles. Italia2006 (talk) 21:26, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

UrbanVillager

Given that Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Opbeith/Archive concludes with you essentially corroborating that this was a meaningless action by User:UrbanVillager, and that myself and another sysop, User:Ricky81682, proposed in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive857#Two editors collaborating on biased degrading of Misplaced Pages articles that this single-purpose account is banned from editing their pet topic, would you mind applying WP:BOOMERANG against them by applying such a ban or something similar? I think it's abundantly clear at this point that they're the protagonist in making this topic area toxic, but I have previously had acrimonious interactions with them, so based on your strict criteria my hands are tied. Please apply some strict criteria in this case, too. --Joy (talk) 11:32, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

I didn't know that I can get punished for reporting someone for what I believed (and still believe) was sockpuppetry. If this is how Misplaced Pages works, I apologize for reporting anyone. But as far as Malagurski-related articles are concerned, I'm not the one making the topic area "toxic", I edited and cooperated with many users just fine until Opbeith, Pincrete and Bobrayner appeared, openly attacking Malagurski and his work and not really having as a goal the quality of the articles, but imposing only negative POV about the topic and blocking anything neutral or positive through canvassing, even though everything I proposed to be added to the articles was well-referenced, while they've even used blogs as sources several times. I know Malagurski's films are apparently not popular (and even hated) among many Misplaced Pages editors, including Joy, so if that's reason enough to punish me for trying to be neutral (I've always been fine with well-referenced criticism, this can easily be checked), then by all means, punish me. --UrbanVillager (talk) 12:28, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't know the full background, and the AN/I section you link to is a first-class example of the kind of long, tedious, and often acrimonious stuff that is largely responsible for my usually avoiding the admin noticeboards like the plague. I certainly don't wish to read and assess it all, and I am unwilling to take any action on the basis of a quick superficial skim. The SPI report was based on enough similarity that it was not unreasonable to be suspicious, even though I think it was mistaken. I don't know what was the purpose of reporting it two years after the event. It may have been malicious, or it may have just been misguided. Unfortunately, Joy, although your request is a perfectly reasonable one, there are too many aspects of the case that I just don't know enough about for me to be comfortable in taking any action. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:11, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Not to come out of left field but I got notified about this and decided to propose a topic ban here. I hope that satisfies all the parties here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:35, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Request for undeletion

I have created this page 2 times on "Nitesh Estates". I am new in article writing on Misplaced Pages.You said that my content was promotional, which in my accordance was not because Nitesh Estates is a well established real estate organisation and their is a Misplaced Pages page of its Chairman Nitesh Shetty. According to me there should be a Misplaced Pages page for Nitesh Estates like other real estate companies. If I am wrong somewhere in writing the the correct article then help me out or edit it by yourself instead of deleting it. I am new to this and I expect help from your side, rather then just deleting my articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kratipaw34 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

I find it difficult to understand how anyone can write whole pages of such stuff as "Nitesh Estates is considered to be providing state-of-the-art Premium Condominiums, Luxury Residences, Hotels, A-grade Office Buildings and Shopping Malls" and "Driven by its self-motivated management, Nitesh Estates has to its credit a series of firsts..." and say that their writing is not promotional. That is the sort of language that is used in marketing an PR, and nowhere else. The fact that there is a Misplaced Pages article about the chairman of a business does not automatically mean that the business is suitable to be the subject of an article, for two reasons: (1) a subject is not automatically notable because it is associated with a notable subject, and each subject has to have evidence of notability in its own right; (2) the fact that someone has written an article about the chairman does not guarantee that he is suitable to be the subject of an article, and it may be that that article should be deleted. However, the question of whether Nitesh Estates is suitable to be the subject of a Misplaced Pages article is quite separate from the question of whether the particular article that you wrote is suitable, which it certainly isn't, as it reads from start to finish like a piece of marketing copy, which is inconsistent with Misplaced Pages policy.

If you are here because you like the idea of contributing to a voluntary collaborative project to build an encyclopaedia, and just happened to choose Nitesh Estates as a first step, then My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Misplaced Pages works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start. If, on the other hand, you are here for the purpose of using Misplaced Pages to publicise a business that you have a connection to, and are not interesting in doing other work for Misplaced Pages, then you should read the guidelines on conflict of interest, and you probably should not be creating an article about that business. For further information about writing articles about businesses, I think the best way to start is to look at Misplaced Pages:FAQ/Organizations. It gives general information and advice about various issues that are likely to be relevant, and also has links to various other pages with more detail on particular issues. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:02, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Opbeith-Pincrete sockpuppet investigation

JBW, whilst I am obviously pleased that this: has been closed, I am slightly puzzled by some of your comments, specifically "There are certainly striking similarities between the two accounts". To the best of my knowledge, we both use UK English, we both use cultural references that suggest middle-age or above, and we both took an interest in The Weight of Chains and pages that directly link to it … … there any similarity ends.

Opbeith was knowledgable about, interested in and committed to certain opinions about the Yugoslav wars (and declared so openly on his user page), however I don't believe that he was ever censured for allowing those views to affect his neutrality as an editor. I possess neither his knowledge nor commitment and 9 tenths of my edits on 'Balkan' pages (which I try to steer away from most of the time), have been correcting grammar, phrasing or obviously un-neutral language.

The 'crime' I/we are accused of is largely, discussing how to improve the article on talk (which was pretty awful by any WP criteria) and (me), correcting spelling, bad grammar and 'clunky' phrasing in the article itself. I might plead guilty to occasionally being a pedant, plead guilty to being OVER-cautious about inserting content, but I thought 'socks' were supposed to be trying to insert/keep out certain povs.

You indicated that you looked at my edits of that period, I wonder if you read down as far as: ' This is a crude attempt by UrbanVillager to retain WP:Ownership of this article, the previous attempt at which was on an ANI a month ago, here:-. '

I appreciate that it is inherently impossible to prove a negative, however, I had hoped for a slighly more clear-cut resolution of this investigation.

Feel free to ignore or reply as you see fit, I don't watch user pages, so if you DO reply, please 'name/ping' me. Thanks. Pincrete (talk) 18:59, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

@Pincrete: Re-reading my comment, I think the emphasis that comes over is somewhat different from what I intended. Perhaps a clearer way of expressing what I meant would have been "While there are some similarities in what subjects the two accounts have edited, as UrbanVillager has pointed out, and while those similarities may possibly be a result of sockpuppetry, I have examined the editing histories, and I don't think there is sockpuppetry." When I looked at the editing history, I actually saw some quite definite differences, which to me seem more persuasive than the similarities, which led me to think it is not a case of sockpuppetry. I did not state what those differences were, because publicly announcing what kinds of similarities and differences serve to suggest sockpuppetry or non-sockpuppetry can be very helpful to people who are using sockpuppets, and wish to hide the fact. However, I still think that the most important point here is that even if I am wrong and it is sockpuppetry, it doesn't matter, as it all took place years ago, and it is not worth spending any more time on the case. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:40, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

another sock

Hi, JamesBWatson. There is another sock of User:190.207.207.70 et al:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/190.200.4.190

Cheers. -- Rrburke (talk) 20:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC)