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Caterham Cars

Ive added some images to the Caterham Cars article. I would appreciate it if you have a quick look at them and see if they are needed. Their just images of the current and past car badges. Daniels Renault Sport (talk) 10:40, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013

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Talk:2012 Formula One season/GA1

Ping? Resolute 15:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

2014 Formula One season (KERS+HERS)

The ERS is the complete Hybrid System. It consists of the ES (Energy storage), KERS (Kinetic-ERS) and the HERS (Heat-ERS). The KERS is devided in the MGU-K (Motor Generator Unit KERS) and the CU-K (Control Unit KERS). The HERS is devided in the MGU-H (Motor Generator Unit HERS) and the CU-H (Control Unit HERS). You can see it in the left part of the picture: http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/147452/f1-magneti-marelli-2014-inline.jpg JohannesDausG (talk) 10:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)Johannes

Too many acronyms makes for a very poor explanation. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	For your excellent racing-related articles, I award you the Writer's Barnstar :). Ironholds (talk) 03:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

MotoGP at Monaco GP

Look, it says at http://www.grand-prix-monaco.com/formula1monaco/ that MotoGP is a supportrace, or is that wrong? John Tatebury (talk) 17:08, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Wrong. Very, very wrong. MotoGP does not race on street circuits at all. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

How strange... I guess you were right in removing that peice of information then. John Tatebury (talk) 19:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The site just advertises tickets for it, and doesn't know the difference between mythical and (possibly) legendary. Britmax (talk) 13:08, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring at 2013 Formula One season and 2013 Monaco Grand Prix

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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Given that you don't seem to have learnt that lesson from the Bahrain debacle, here's another warning. Get consensus for removing this information, or leave it alone. Your personal opinions on whether it is relevant or whether it breaks any policy really carry no weight otherwise. Most of your objections don't even make sense, given the actual text/sources. Gruesome Foursome (talk) 12:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring

It appears that you and User:Gruesome Foursome have been edit warring at 2013 Formula One season and at 2013 Monaco Grand Prix. There has been very little discussion at the Formula One article and no discussion at the Monaco article about your disputes. If you persist in edit warring, you risk being blocked. Bear in mind that you don't have to breach WP:3RR to be blocked for edit warring. I suggest you stop battling in the article and go back or go to the talk page. Dispute resolution mechanisms are available if you the two of you cannot resolve your disputes.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

The Last of Us

Hi Prisonermonkeys,

I felt that the reception of The Last of Us did need some points of criticism, but I usually don't add stuff myself, so thanks for this! --Soetermans. T / C 14:01, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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It looks like both of you have been edit warring per the report at WP:AN3#User:Prisonermonkeys and User:Djflem reported by User:The359 (Result: ). You are both experienced editors and have much to offer, but you are both extremely stubborn. Please join the AN3 discussion and promise not to revert the article any more until consensus is reached. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 16:50, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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Austrian Grand Prix

I don't understand why you had to undo a few photo's on the Austrian Grand Prix article without a reason? I'm trying to help improve that article as it seems to of not bean edited as much as others. By the way, how long do you think we will have to wait until the FIA say its official? Because a lot of News sources are saying its already official. Daniels Renault Sport (talk) 12:42, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

2014 Indian Grand Prix

Please see the talk page of the discussion on the 2014 Formula One season talk page, regarding the Indian Grand Prix before a revert war ensures involving an unobtainable blog page article being used as a reliable source. Sport and politics (talk) 22:51, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

2014 Formula one season

I am getting increasingly concerned by the WP:Ownership traits which are being exerted by you on the article. You are very quick to point fingers and make accusations at users who challenge what you consider to be the "correct" form of the article and you are very very quick to make sweeping statements in edit summaries. I was fully aware I was reverting to a three column calender and removing the the drivers who had been added. Please take a step back from thinking that other users making changes to the article are a threat to you. It is coming across as you are trying to be the owner of the article. Sport and politics (talk) 09:42, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

There is also a discussion going on regarding the sources used to add the additional drivers as www.worldcarfans.com could very easily be classed as a blog in the same way that F1 Fanatic is being classed as a blog, which you are disputing, and are well with in your rights to dispute. Please though take more care when making sweeping generalisations designed to ensure that you are seen as the "winner". (yes I am aware that is simply an essay which has been linked to). Sport and politics (talk) 09:50, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

2014 International V8 Supercars Championship

Hi Prismonmonkeys, purpose of co-driver field is to allow cites to be added as they become available, rather than as on the 2013 page where it has yet to be done and will be a larger task done restropectively. Co-drivers start to be named as soon as straight after Bathurst.V7867 (talk) 10:24, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, understand your logic.V7867 (talk) 12:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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PURE died last year

over 1 year no engine development - no engine available - Lotus cannot use not existing engine FootballCleaner (talk) 11:54, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

You have no evidence that the project is completely dead - only that the development had to stop because they ran out of money and were seeking more investment. Where is your proof that they never found this investment and restarted development? The source you are using is a year out of date. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 03:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Possible SP

Hi, I've had a look and there's definitely something a bit odd, but I'm not sure what. Firstly, I've written to the closing admin on the PURE AfD and asked if he might reopen it so we can have a look at improving it. I linked him to the argument on the 2014 season talk page – it's pretty clear (in my opinion) FootballCleaner took it to AfD out of spite. Secondly, FC is clearly a sock of someone – his first edit was taking something to AfD!! But I don't know if it's Lucy/Eff Won. FC's English is piss-poor, and he's clearly foreign, probably Slovenian, as he edits Slovenian footballer articles. Even though some of the behaviour is rather familiar, if this is Lucy it's a pretty elaborate plan. Not ruling it out, but I wouldn't be confident yet of taking it to SPI. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:30, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

PURE AfD reopened. Admin said we'd need very good reasons to keep it though. Might need some work to get through. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:32, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

That guy's going to get blocked of his own accord if he carries on this way anyway. He called me a liar on an admin's talk page... Not the best place for a personal attack. Bretonbanquet (talk) 02:11, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Agree on all counts, and I've made a comment at the SPI. Looks pretty open-and-shut to me. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 11:36, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Powers subject to be approved definitively by the organizers of the Formula 1 World Championship

The GP of Mexico, Korea and New Jersey is subject to be approved definitively by the organizers of the Formula 1 World Championship--Shinobilanterncorps (talk) 19:32, 1 November 2013 (UTC) Article: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:2014_Formula_One_season — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagheuher (talk • contribs) 23:48, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I undid that edit because it was the worst explanation ever. I read it a dozen times and it made no sense. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:32, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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Regarding R. Grosjean signing

I read from the AUTOSPORT article that "All the boxes are ticked, all the lights are green, and he has signed for next year," Boullier told AUTOSPORT.

So I assumed that that was the green light. Some other sites have also updated and included Romain Grosjean's name as part of Lotus F1 team lineup for 2014. StandNThrow (talk) 09:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Grand Prix

Why do you keep changing the race titles? Like changing British Grand Prix to Grand Prix of Great Britain etc. Speedy Question Mark (talk) 17:26, 7 November 2013 UTC)

Because that's how they appear in the calendar published by the WMSC. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:48, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

A reference problem

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CHAMPIONSHIP LEADER TABLE.

Sorry, Did You Write The Original ( CLT ) For The 2012 F1 Season ?

If So, Can You Correct The Copy / Paste Someone Did To The 2010 F1 Season ?

Going Backwards, Can You Include A ( CLT ) For All The F1 Seasons Until 1950 ?

( CLT ) Is A Really Priceless Information.

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"Once again"

OK, an over-reaction like that suggests you need to take a week off wikipedia. Treat the suggestion seriously and don't say a thing about it being justified. This is not about the merits of the argument but that you do not have any patience for rookie editors. --Falcadore (talk) 08:48, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I have patience with rookie editors. What I don't have patience with is rookie editors who show absolutely no inclination towards actually becoming better editors and instead commit the same indiscretions over and over again.

I'll take your suggestion of a vacation from Misplaced Pages seriously when you can convince me that your conduct towards rookie editors has always been welcoming and constructive. Don't strain yourself, though. I already know that you set the standard for this. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:38, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I suggest it, because I've done it and it works. I don't want you to fall into the position where you find wikipedia editing - a hobby - has become work. You, me, everybody, needs to ration their involvement. You can believe you have it under control, but you'd be making it up as much as anyone else does.

I can't stop you taking my suggestion as a form of insult or being patronizaing or something that needs to be responded to with a typed slap, but the intent was sincere. You don't want to take constructive advice, fine. But it is fine to assume there might be some good faith in the suggestion.

I tried, I shrug and move on. --Falcadore (talk) 10:27, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

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2014 Formula one season

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Mobile editing

How do you edit on mobile? Just through the browser or can you edit via the official app? Eightball (talk) 05:15, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Well part of the reason I asked is because I was looking for an option to edit through the app and couldn't find it. I'm not sure it's possible. Eightball (talk) 13:49, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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2014 Formula One season

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2014 Formula One Season Talk

I really do not stand by my previous comments and my genuine belief that you view yourself as the owner of that and related articles. It is you and only you who is engaged in every single issue with the article and are in some cases the cause of long winded and circular discussions such as you when you were claiming only a certain strand of an issue had been discussed and don't get me started on Sirotkin or the numbers for the drivers. In the Sirotkin discussion you used the line "Fuck, I'm pissed off at the consistently low quality of edits from people who don't seem to understand what Misplaced Pages is all about.". I would happily and easily include you in the list of users who haven't a clue what Wikipeida is all about. Its not about pushing your own views and agenda, which is what your edits and editing style shout as your view of Wikipeida.. I just despair that you are blind to the fact that you are not the owner of this page and other related pages. If you left the pages well alone there would be zero to very little conflict and every other editor could get on with editing the articles in peace and for the betterment of Wikipeida. I am not particularly interested in your standard fair responses which are just attack, attack, attack and I am right and who dare challenge me, so I wouldn't bother wasting your energy, i won't read or respond to it. It is just not worth my effort or time. You will in the end come unstuck or will tone yourself down I wait with interest which will be the eventual outcome. Sport and politics (talk) 13:30, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

You regularly accuse me of breaking WP:OWN, and yet, you are the one who regularly demands that everything be run past you first. It is never a good sign when most editors are hesitant to edit an article without your prior approval. Your behaviour is consistent with that displayed by notorious troll DeFacto, and your could reasonably be blocked as one of his socks based on your edit-warring over the article archive. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Mercedes F1 W05 image

Hi Prisonermonkeys. Can you point me to the image that you think File:Mercedes F1 W05 2014-01-28 17-00.jpg is a copyvio of? I had a look at the Mercedes images on F1Fanatic (and formula1.com), and I couldn't see any that looked exactly like that one. And the uploader has claimed the image as their own work. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 05:53, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks for finding it. P.S. I didn't mean to include that massive image in your talk page - I meant to include a link to the file! Regards, DH85868993 (talk) 06:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

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talk about mobile editing

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Check the history of User:Prisonermonkeys/sandbox/part2  Ronhjones  23:49, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Number's align

Hello! About which standard are you talking about? Look at 2005 GP2 Series season, 2010 GP3 Series season, etc. There is no particular standard. Cybervoron (talk) 13:07, 7 March 2014 (UTC)H

I am talking about a wider range of articles, not just GP2 and GP3. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:10, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

How can you prove that this standard exist? I see that in various articles (not only GP2 and GP3) different align. And what difference make the center align, excepting your preference? Cybervoron (talk) 10:50, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

March 2014

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Just because you disagree with an edit, that does not make it disruptive. You are very, very quick to reprimand other users for wrongdoing when your own behaviour is questionable. For the discussion in question, you have not demonstrated and of the points you raise - if anything, you have only proven my point. The only way I can tell you disagree with me is because you address your comments to me. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 01:37, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

You have twice removed content, despite not having a consensus to do so and despite the matter still being under discussion at the time and in fact it still is up to this point. Therefore your edits qualify as disruptive and hence the notification. Tvx1 (talk) 18:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Episode summaries

You have a tendency to write episode summaries that are overly brief, in British English (not appropriate fore can shows) and often simple revisions of the show's teaser description, which are rarely an accurate summaries and often copyright violations (close paraphrasing is still a copyvio). Please review the MOS:TV sections governing episode summaries, spoilers and copyright. Episode summaries should be 100-200 words; reducing them 77-80 words, as you did with Castle is not appropriate, particularly given the specific summary was already controversial, and under discussion. Instead, use the talk page when you disagree with a summary. --Drmargi (talk) 19:09, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Quantity does not guarantee quality, as evidenced by the episode summary in question, which was badly written to begin with.

Secondly, I use British English because I speak British English. I can understand why this might be an issue, but don't you think an easier solution would be to simply make minor edits to a page after the fact, rather than expect someone to write in a grammar structure that they are unfamiliar with? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 19:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

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Please ensure you are familiar with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive, until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively could result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you.. You continued to revert even after I placed the message above on your talk page citing governing policy, requesting that you stop reverting and that you discuss on the episode talk page, particularly given the already-tendentious nature of this particular summary. You are now full-on edit warring. (And it's not rocket science to type center instead of centre; if you don't know that minor difference, I have to question your competence to edit on American English articles. Expecting others to clean up after you is lazy editing.) --Drmargi (talk) 19:49, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

You say the content was contentious to begin with and subject to ongoing discussion, but I cannot seem to find any such discussion, except for one on the talk page where you say that it is okay to reveal the endings of episodes in their summaries. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 20:36, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

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Joetri was edit-warring. I posted a template warning him of it. How is that any different to you posting warning templates when you are edit-warring. This is exactly what I am talking about when I call you out on your aggressive tactics. You are using warnings and notifications to try and shut down opposing arguments. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 22:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

You warned User:Joetri10 for edit-warring on Template:Formula One teams, a page the user in question hadn't edited at all. Tvx1 (talk) 08:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Which was an honest mistake. You know perfectly well that it was intended for his actions on the season article. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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It is already using the "valign=center" coding, so no, it cannot be done. I think tables are automatically valigned to the top on mobiles. —Gyaro–Maguus— 23:59, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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DRN 1

Hasteur seems to be a pretty sensible person, and has dealt well with the DRN so far. What should basically happen is that, regardless of what we do or what Joetri and Tvx do, Hasteur will come to a conclusion and give a recommendation. It will only really stagnate if Hasteur loses interest. If one side disagrees with his recommendation, then that's tough luck as far as the DRN is concerned, Hasteur's conclusion stands. What the DRN does do is count against the "losers" if they continue to argue. It creates more of a consensus one way or the other which is thus harder to argue against. If the losers continue to kick up a fuss or edit war, then WP:ANRFC is probably the next step. There, the DRN will weigh heavily against the "losers". I would recommend further DRNs if we have problems again, like the Sirotkin thing. Bretonbanquet (talk) 08:41, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Without wishing to go into the Sirotkin thing too deeply (just glad it's over), there was a weak source used to add him, before it became clear that he was not a shoe-in for the seat. There was then a statement from Sauber saying that they had not announced their drivers and that was allowed to be trumped by the older source, for reasons I never quite grasped. Anyway, suffice to say that any long darwn-out affair at the talk pages should probably go to DRN sooner rather than later, for the sake of the sanity of all of us ;) Bretonbanquet (talk) 09:13, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

The Nat. Column

Actually, Tvx1's system doesn't work too well with wider columns, and it becomes impossible to align properly on all devices, so unless no-one minds the word "Circuits" being slightly off-centre on mobiles, my perfectionist tendencies do not allow it to be given the go-ahead. I'll happily place the "Nat." column version into the article though, and you can let Tvx1 try to fix it. I have one or two ideas to fix it myself, which I'll try soon. —Gyaro–Maguus— 22:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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This could be seen as canvassing. I'm assuming that you didn't mean it to come across that way, but others may not be so generous. Far better to flag up the discussion at WP level with a neutrally worded notice if you want other editors to chip in. Mjroots (talk) 11:59, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

World RX Championship

Hi, just asking for some info as to the non-inclusion of Koen Pauwels and Alexandre Theuil in the driver list when (especially the former) is listed down as a driver eligible to score manufacturer points. Please reply on the 2014 FIA World Rallycross Championship season talk page. This would be much appreciated, as nobody seems to be using the talk page on that article and you seem to be an astute editor of motorsport articles. 121.216.230.243 (talk) 07:41, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

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Results matrices

That's fair enough, I thought you had changed it just for the sake of changing it. I got the DSQ to work, here's the code I used: style="background-color:#000000; color:white"| DSQ Cheers. _Talk 09:14, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Lotus ownership

Hi Prisonermonkeys. I just want let you know that I restored the content I added (if you want to change it to a more elegant grammar, that doesn't matter). I will try to clarify my reasons. My objection came basically from the fact no entity called "Lotus" owns the Lotus F1 Team. The team is owned by the Luxembourgish-based venture capital group Genii Capital, Lotus Cars isn`t more than a "Branding Partner" of the team, as part of a deal signed in 2011.

Genii bought the current Lotus team from Renault in two stages, at the end of 2009 (a 75%), and at the end of 2010 (the remaining stake) (not 2010 and 2011 as I put into the rationale, my mistake). If Lotus Cars gave money to these transactions, it never was disclosed and we can't assume that as a fact.

I hope this will make my point clear. Regards. --Urbanoc (talk) 23:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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Lotterer

although you are correct, the point of focus was on Twitter and not my fan status. WP:TWITTER From my previous understanding, Twitter would only have been viable for use if the account you sourced was either that of Kobayashi, Caterham, Lotterer and/or Kolles (Or someone with similar power in the team). *JoeTri10_ 16:12, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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I can't see the problem (which I don't think affects the MR03 article as Chilton is back in anyway). I have, however, put a nowrap around Lotterer's name. —Gyaro–Maguus— 12:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Drivers' names were crossing the boundaries of their cells and results were being written over the cell lines. If have found and addressed the problem, though. There was an unnecessary row end (|-) after the first four cells specifying the year, entrant, engine and tyres. That created an unnecessary row, which weirdly enough didn't appear on the desktop version. On the mobile version this useless blank row does appear causing all sorts of havoc. I'll clean up the other car articles for this season as well. Tvx1 (talk) 23:22, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

While addressing this issue, I've noticed that all the tables have lost their colors on the mobile version. Maybe that's something that should be looked into as well. Tvx1 (talk) 00:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I was wondering wether any progress is being made over at WP:VPT? Tvx1 (talk) 15:24, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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Just a heads up, the motorsports site "Racer" has some sort of publishing deal with Autosport. Most of their stories show up a few hours later, and there isn't a view limit. JohnMcButts (talk) 15:13, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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Well, I looked at the coding and found that the cell didn't have the "colspan=2" it should have had. I've put it in; hopefully that fixes the issue. —Gyaro–Maguus— 11:13, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

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Favor

I'd like to ask you the favor, if you have the time, of a quick glance at User:The359/Sandbox2#Mercedes-Benz CLR. Just another set of eyes to look over the whole thing and fix whatever lingering grammatical I've missed would be helpful. Also, any ENGVAR that I might be forgetting, since it should be given a British English treatment. I'd like to get this moved into mainspace relatively soon while I still have it fresh in mind. The5₉ (Talk) 01:15, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

See, I knew someone here was an English major/teacher, I just could not remember or find who it was. The5₉ (Talk) 01:47, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Just a quick question though, it is my understanding when it comes to measurement conversions that the sourced number should be applied first, even if it is not matching with the standards used elsewhere in the article. I seem to recall this being debated on WP:CAR at some point, so I may be wrong. The5₉ (Talk) 05:51, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Scratch that one, I found an element of the conversion template that allows the numbers to be flipped, so easily fixed. The5₉ (Talk) 06:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Russian GP

That edit war is way out of proportion; you and the other guy are going to get blocked if you're not careful. You know you can only break 3RR in cases of vandalism, right? Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:30, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

You might see it like that; personally I think it's borderline, but it's a big risk to take. An admin might see it a different way. The thing with the other guy in the photo is not really vandalism. It's a reasonable question to ask "Who is the other guy?" – or else the picture should be replaced with one that doesn't have a nobody in it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:41, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, I warned the IP and he carried on. So now he's at the 3RR admin board. I haven't reported you as such, but it's hard to report one guy without the other coming under scrutiny. I also mentioned that his personal attack against you on my talk page. Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:59, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

It's one of the longest edit wars I've ever seen, and the IP is being ridiculous. You might want to mention your attempts at talk page discussion (which the IP seems to have ignored) at the edit-warring admin report, indeed if an admin ever bloody looks at it. I'm a bit concerned that the article might be fully protected; that would be a sod during and immediately after the race. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:13, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Which other issue do you mean? Happy to have it here if you want. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:49, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

There is no other issue. I just had to figure out how to get you here without bringing him over as well.

You see the logic in my edits for Kapirulin and Bianchi, right? Maybe it would help if we got some other voices in the talk page, because right now, he's just sitting on that page and reverting edits on sight. And as for his talk page contributions, he's just copy-pasting his arguments in from elsewhere. I was so sure I had him convinced last night when I made the case for covering Kapirulin in a footnote, which is why I restored it this morning. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 22:52, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I do tend to agree with you on both counts; Bianchi ought to be mentioned in the lead since it's being constantly referred to in all the coverage of the event, and I am basically ambivalent about the caption, as long as the guy is mentioned somewhere. You're right, we need more input, but the lengthy edit war is the kind of thing that puts people off. Perhaps ask on the WT:F1 page? Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:57, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Though I might be mistaken there, you think Bianchi isn't leadworthy? I think he probably is; a short note at least. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:01, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Maybe we should just mention the number of competitors without going into details of the circumstances behind it, and leave that for the body. Because right now, the article just repeats itself. It kind of smacks of RECENTISM, over-emphasising the impact of his absence on the race itself (not the paddock).

We could ask on WTF1, but that takes time, and I'm kind of hoping we can stabilise the page before the race so that the article can be edited with actual content when it becomes available. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:05, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

It's exactly the kind of thing that should be decided by consensus, not just two or three of us. At the moment, with this IP around, I think the chances of stabilising the article are slim. It might be worth asking at WT:F1 for people to go over to Talk:2014 Russian Grand Prix and have their say. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:09, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry you got blocked, but it was probably inevitable given the extent of the reverting going on. After the race, and when the blocks expire, we can all discuss and hopefully resolve these issues. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:51, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I wanted to just add my 2 cents on this subject, and while I don't know or haven't seen what else has been going on, I have to side with the IP in that the Bianchi story is leadworthy. It is not an instance where a driver was simply replaced due to poor performance and/or some sort of fiscal issue like when KK was replaced at the Belgian GP earlier this year. This incident is something that will be remembered and referenced by the F1 community for years to come - it is very significant and there will be changes to the sport because of it. I reference Senna's & Ratz's deaths being mentioned on the 94 Monaco GP lead even though it happened at the previous event as a prime example. Maybe in time, this lead can be simplified as the Monaco one is now. Twirlypen (talk) 07:32, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Further, while it just my simple opinion, any unique charactaristic of a race should be leadworthy - such as why a 22 car race is only featuring 21, why a 53 lap race only lasted 44 like last week in Japan, and any unusual, record-setting, and/or rare occurances that happened afterwards such as JPM setting the all-time top speed in Italy in 2005. All of these are leadworthy in their respective articles. Twirlypen (talk) 08:05, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Twirlypen, can I please suggest that you keep in mind the structure of an article?

The lead of an article is really a summary of its contents. It addresses the key issues, which are expanded upon in the body of the article. It is not the body of the article. Now, let's be objective here: yes, Bianchi's accident was tragic. Yes, it will be remembered for years to come. And yes, there is talk that it will bring about changes to the regulations. But the accident happened in Japan, so what does any of that have to do with the race in Russia? The only discernible impact is that Marussia are running one car. So please tell me, why is it so important that we have a full paragraph in the lead describing the circumstances behind Bianchi's accident (which happened in another race) and the reasoning behind the team's decision to run one car (which has no influence on the ability of the Russian Grand Prix to be run)?

Don't get me wrong - I feel that it should be mentioned in the lead in some capacity. But I also feel that the current version of the article over-emphasises this in the lead. At most, there should be a single sentence in the lead—most likely attached to the summary of the race itself—with a full explanation in the body, which already exists (and another issue, the current lead unnecessarily reproduces this sub-section, making it redundant). After all, the lead is an article summary. The first paragraph should be the specifics of the event (it is). The second should be the position of the race in the context of the season as a whole, and an historical context (again, it is). The third paragraph should be a brief summary of the pole-sitter and podium, and significant events in the race (the current fourth making a start on this); this is where a note on Marussia running one car should go. And the fourth paragraph will be a summary of the championship outcomes after the race.

Please remember that the article is about the 2014 Russian Grand Prix. It is not about Jules Bianchi's accident. That should be covered in Bianchi's article and the Japanese Grand Prix article. While the consequences should be covered, they must be given due weight - and right now, I feel that it over-emphasises these consequences. Now, I was attempting to rewrite the article lead last night, but every time I went to save it, someone kept restoring the paragraph, and hence the edit war. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:22, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Here, allow me to demonstrate what I think it should look like. This is the current version:

The 2014 Russian Grand Prix (formally known as the 2014 Formula 1 Russian Grand Prix; Russian: Гран-при России 2014 года) is aFormula One motor race that is due to take place on 12 October 2014. The race, which will be contested over fifty-three laps, will be held at the Sochi Autodrom, a brand new circuit built on the site of the 2014 Winter Olympics in the city of Sochi in Krasnodar Krai, Russia.

The race will be the sixteenth round of the2014 season, following on from the Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka one week previously, and preceding the United States Grand Prix at the Circuit of the Americas. The race marks the first time that the Russian Grand Prix has been held in a century, and will also be the first time the Russian Grand Prix has been run as a round of the Formula One World Championship since the championship was formed in 1950.

Following Jules Bianchi's accident during2014 Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka Circuit, the Marussia team officially entered two cars, per FIA regulations, with Alexander Rossilisted as Biachi's replacement. Marussia, out of respect for Bianchi and with FIA approval, ultimately decided to only run Max Chilton's car at the event. Thus, only twenty-one cars will be on the grid in Sochi.

Lewis Hamilton will start the race from pole position, alongside Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg.

And this is what I feel it should look like (with some hypotheticals included to illustrate the post-race situation):

The 2014 Russian Grand Prix (formally known as the 2014 Formula 1 Russian Grand Prix;Russian: Гран-при России 2014 года) is aFormula One motor race that is due to take place on 12 October 2014. The race, which will be contested over fifty-three laps, will be held at the Sochi Autodrom, a brand new circuit built on the site of the 2014 Winter Olympics in the city of Sochi in Krasnodar Krai, Russia.

The race will be the sixteenth round of the2014 season, following on from the Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka one week previously, and preceding the United States Grand Prix at the Circuit of the Americas. The race marks the first time that the Russian Grand Prix has been held in a century, and will also be the first time the Russian Grand Prix has been run as a round of the Formula One World Championship since the championship was formed in 1950.

Lewis Hamilton started the race from pole position, alongside Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg. After leading much of the race, the two were forced into an extreme fuel conservation regime to make it to the end of the Grand Prix, allowing Williams' Valtteri Bottas to catch both of them in the final laps and take his maiden win. Rosberg finished second, taking advantage of Bottas' pass of Hamilton to take second place, with Hamilton completing the order. Having chosen to enter a single car following Jules Bianchi's accident in Japan, Marussia secured a single world championship point by way of Max Chilton.

Having out-scored title rivals Red Bull Racing, Mercedes secured the 2014 World Constructors' Chsmpionship with three races remaining in the season. By finishing ahead of Hamilton, Rosberg closed to within seven points of his team-mate's World Driver's Championship lead.

That is only a rough version, but you see the intention - the focus is squarely on the event itself, with key issues summarised to be expanded upon in the body of the article.

PS - Please forgive formatting errors - it is difficult to properly copy-paste large slabs of text on a mobile. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:36, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

PPS - To answer your other questions in the article, the preparations and controversy absolutely should be included in the 2014 race article as both directly affected the ability of the race to be run, and will not affect future Russian Grands Prix. Look at 2012 Bahraon Grand Prix and 2012 Bahrain Grand Prix as examples of this in action elsewhere. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:44, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

It may be long-winded in the lead's current format, I do agree to that. As far as my 'hidden questions', I was merely spitballing. I'm working on better adjusting the content. Twirlypen (talk) 09:08, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

That's fine. I don't oppose any and all changes - I just think people are getting carried away with Bianchi because he's in the news when the actual impact his absence has on the race is minimal. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:11, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

@Twirlypen: - I just saw your latest edits in the article. The report section is fine, but I think there is still too much detail in the lead. I know I'm being frugal, but I think a single sentence noting Marussia entered a single car (and their performance) is all it needs. It doesn't need to mention 21 cars, since that doesn't have any effect on points or qualifying positions or the like. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:54, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

As the field is only 21 cars, I have to respectfully disagree as it did directly affect qualifying positions as there are (were) penalties that needed to be served. Plus, however minor it may be to the actual race, it is still an anomoly to the standard in that it is a 22 car championship race with 21 cars competing. I did however put forth another hypothetical question that could make the entire 21-car being mentioned argument a moot point. Twirlypen (talk) 10:03, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

@Twirlypen: that particular conundrum is being discussed here, as such a change would also have implications for the 2014 season article. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:13, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

October 2014

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Request reason:

Large parts of the edit war last night came about because an IP editor was constantly reverting content that he disagreed with. However, he did so in such a way that he was preventing content - namely the qualifying table - from being added; every time I tried to update it, I got an edit conflict. In order to build on the page, I had to remove his edits first to prevent the conflict. This may be a result of the limitations of my device. After discussing the issue on the 3RR board (probably the wrong place to do it, but by this point, I was taking any opportunity I could to establish a dialogue), I was led to believe that I had convinced him of the need for the changes I was in favour of. I went to bed, and six hours later I found that he had still not objected further, and so made the changes. I was also harbouring some concern that he would continue to revert on sight during tonight's race, which would again disrupt the page, and wanted to gauge his response.

Decline reason:

Nevertheless, you did make 4 reverts in 24 hours which weren't reverting vandalism, or copyright violations, or libelous material. In this context, I consider the block to be correct. PhilKnight (talk) 12:13, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

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Hey, Prisonermonkeys, I just saw your comment here: diff. The discussion has progressed from the "poll" in which you voted, to an RfC at the bottom of the same page. I thought you might to take part in the RfC as well. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:52, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Russian GP Race summary

You wrote that STR ran conservatively due to fuel consumption and a predicted temperature drop of 12°C in the later stages of the race (which I'm assuming means roughly half an hour). I do not know if it was a mix-up in measurement standards, but that would equate to a nearly 22°F drop (while I admit is not unheard of, but still unusual). Is this accurate?? Regardless, the conversion is assuming a standard temperature of 12°C/54°F and not an actual drop of 12°C. A 54°F drop in half an hour would be a freak of nature! Twirlypen (talk) 01:56, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

@Twirlypen: yes, it's accurate. It has to do with katabatic winds coming down off the Causacus Mountains in the early evening. And yes, it's unprecedented in Formula One. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:18, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

RE: Infobox racing car

To be on the safe side, I'm going to make my changes in User:GyaroMaguus/sandplate (with the template in action at User:GyaroMaguus/sandbox).

Having looked at the coding, that table appears when one of the parameters for races, wins, poles or fastest laps is entered in. Now, I don't know whether changing it so that it is reliant on "races" (so I can make the other table reliant on "entries") is a good idea. I am also not so sure about including championships in the optional table, since it would require the use of one of the three championships available in the coding, and the one chosen may not be the one most appropriate.

One idea I do have is to swap the fastest lap column with the podium column. The editor would use one of the two (if applicable) and it would show up whichever. Saying that, I'm not 100% sure how to code this idea. —Gyaro–Maguus— 13:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

I did get the first and last wins to work, but I couldn't get my other idea to do so, so you'll have to talk to someone who has used to template more often (maybe DH85868993). I don't know the ins and outs of the usage of the template and I'm sure someone else does. I'm not going to update the template with my improvement just yet. —Gyaro–Maguus— 13:32, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi guys. Can I suggest you put a description of your proposed changes on the (actual) template's talk page, just in case other editors can foresee any potential problems or perhaps a better/simpler way to achieve it? If you're having problems with a particular piece of coding, I suggest asking User:Frietjes for help - she's a whizz with templates. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 23:44, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Result page deletions

For the record, there is no need to create a separate deletion discussion for each article if they all share the same reasons for deletion. It just makes the process easier for everyone if the articles are together. QueenCake (talk) 15:34, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

JEV 2015

Please excuse my tone on my latest edit. I did not mean to come over so cross. I apologize. Twirlypen (talk) 10:21, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Your August 2014 source was issued well before RBR annouced they would be cherry picking Kvyat, a move that very clearly blind-sided STR. It's painfully obvious now that this source is outdated, borderline obsolete, and that STR is no longer under the position that Vergne is completely ruled out for a 2015 seat with them. I have provided a credible source that indicates Vergne has NOT been ruled out. Twirlypen (talk) 10:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring october 2014

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Australian motorsport vehicles

There is a discussion at WikiProject Motorsport you may or may not have an opinion on. V7867 (talk) 17:38, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.

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November 2014

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• You were warned by Dreadstar that if you continued edit-warring in this article after the protection ended, you would be blocked (see here). You ignored the warning. I blocked you for 24 hours more than the other user because you have recently been blocked for edit-warring in the same article.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Prisonermonkeys (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I was not aware that such a warning had been issued. After raising the matter at 3RR, Dreadstar decided to lock the article in question. I asked for clarity on the subject if vandalism, which was resolved at 10:01 on 24 October. At that point, I played no further part in the discussion as I felt the issue had been resolved. Dreadstar issued his warning over 24 hours later, at 14:38 on October 25. I received no notification of the message, and indeed, it was directed at Haken arizona. If I had received notification and/or if someone had independently brought it to my attention, I would have observed it. As a result, I noticed that Haken arizona had edited the article in question. I checked the sources he provided, and found one of them contradicted previous sources and the other was unverifiable (which I have outlined at DRN). I was not reverting his edits on the grounds that they were his edits, but rather that because the sources were in violation of key Misplaced Pages policies relating to sources, which is something that I would have done to any content that I knew to be wrong or misleading regardless of who put it in the article. I am aware that edit-warring is taken seriously, but I can genuinely say that my actions were intended to be in the interests of the page. Had I been aware of Dreadstar's conditions during the original 3RR dispute, I would have acted differently. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 22:53, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Dreadstar's conditions were explicit in his original close of the 3RR report: "If this continues after protection expires, I will block you both." The administrator's original page protection was a gift; it should have been obvious, even without the clear warning, that immediately resuming your edit warring would lead to the alternate scenario he was trying to avoid. Kuru (talk) 03:24, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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A request

@Twirlypen: Do you mind taking a look at the latest edits to 2015 Formula One season by @Speedy Question Mark:? In particular, the ones about Marussia re-entering as Manor. I have noticed that the title of the article is plainly made up—the article is about Marussua racing in Abu Dhabi, not about re-entering as Manor—and its content speculative. Could you please change the title of the article in the reference template to be the actual title of the article? I abhor content that is knowingly or deliberately misleading; SQM has been an editor long enough to know that this is neither acceptable nor good enough. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

It looks like it has already been reverted. I agree that the article is mostly speculative, without any real quotes or sources from the team itself. It just looks like a Skysports reporter wanted to have the scoop before others could report on it, but it's clear there's no real concrete information. Twirlypen (talk) 23:15, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

@Tvx1:, @Twirlypen: it's happened again—someone has changed Marussia to Manor, only this time it's unsourced and publicly visible. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:15, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Don't panic. I've removed it again. Tvx1 (talk) 10:51, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm not panicking. I'm just drawing your attention to an issue that I cannot fix myself. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

No problem. My mistake. Tvx1 (talk) 14:07, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

DRN

@TransporterMan:, @Biblioworm:, @Moriori:, @FelixRosch: please forgive the unconventional nature of this, but my block is still in effect, and I would like to offer an opinion on the current DRN surrounding the 2014 Russian Grand Prix article in light of recent edits that have included the attendance figures in the article lead.

First, allow me to make my position absolutely clear: I do not oppose the inclusion of attendance figures on principle. My belief is that while they are nice to have if they are available, they are not fundamental to the articles, and certainly not so important that we might lower the standard of quality in order to include them. I am, however, opposed to the inclusion of any content that can be demonstrated to have been included on the back of improper sources. This is evidenced in the above section where I pointed out recent changes (since reverted) to the 2015 Formula One season article that misrepresented the content of a source with a title that was plainly made up by an editor. This has since been discussed on that article's talk page.

Now, for the attendance data: as much as I am willing to support its inclusion in the article (provided that it is accurate and reliable sources), the lead is an inappropriate place for it. The lead is the introduction to the article, and covers the key issues related to it. If you read the article, you will see the following are covered:

1) The key facts if the race—the who, what, where and when.

2) The context of the race, both within the 2014 Formula One season and the history of Grand Prix racing.

3) The events of qualifying and the race itself, including details of the pole-sitter and podium places

4) The impact the race result had on the 2014 championship.

5) The Formula 1 community's reaction to a serious accident involving a driver at the previous race one week before.

Each of these issues are elaborated upon in some way, shape or form further into the article. But you will notice that the attendance figures are not included anywhere else in the article. Furthermore, there are other issues related to the race—specifically the ethics of the sport's management having a close relationship with the Russian government in the aftermath of the Ukrainian insurgency and the shooting down of MH17—that a) are of arguably more importance to the article than the attendance figures, and b) could justifiably be included in the article lead before the attendance figures.

This brings me to my next point: that sometimes, we as editors must decide which issues are the most important or the most relevant to the article when writing the lead. In constructing race report articles, this is often accompanied by the question of how the issue affected either the outcome of the race, or how it affected the ability of the race to be run. For all the controversy surrounding the relationship between the sport's managers and the Kremlin, it did not prevent the race from being run or affect the outcome, and so was not included in the lead. Now, the race might have been held before a crowd of 65,000, but they had no impact on the race itself. The race would have been run before a crowd of 65 if only 65 people turned up. The crowd had no impact on the actual race in any way, and therefore it should not be included in the race.

Looking back over sixty-four years' worth of race reports, there is no precedent for mentioning that the race was run before a full crowd in the article lead. In addition to this, 65,000 is a very low number in comparison to some other European races such as the British Grand Prix, which regularly attracts crowds twice the size of the crowd in Sochi. At no point during the weekend was the crowd size a source of debate, discussion or controversy. Its inclusion has been justified as a measure of the race's success, but this is a purely subjective opinion, and does not take into consideration the opinions of competitors, teams or pundits such as 1980 World Champion Alan Jones, who characterised the race as boring. Furthermore, there is documented evidence that governments who support races—as is the case of the Russian government—also give away tickets to give the image of a capacity crowd, a tactic routinely employed for the Chinese Grand Prix. Therefore, we cannot say for certainty that the race was a success.

I must also offer the opinion that including attendance figures in the article lead is an example of lazy editing. It suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of the structure of an article, and over-emphasises the importance of a piece of data that is not essential to the reader's understanding of the subject. It further suggests to me that it has only been included in the lead because of its role in this dispute, which is again inappropriate. I would advocate its complete removal, as I dislike frivolous content in articles, though I doubt this would be received well. Instead, I would suggest that the most proper and appropriate place for it to be included is in the infobox, provided that it is reliably sourced, and that there is no need to mention it in the text of the article. As a final note, should this be included, then the markup for the infobox would need to be changed, as it currently appears corrupted on mobile devices (I know what the issue is, I just don't know how to change complex markup cleanly).

I hope you will find that these arguments are compelling, and I will trust that you will agree that the issue here is not some unreasonable crusade against content that I don't like, but rather a desire to promote reliability, verifiability and accuracy in sources. Every other detail in that article is reliably, verifiably and accurately recorded, and I see no reason why those standards should ever be dropped, much less for a singular detail that, in the grand scheme of things, is only a tertiary consideration (at best) for the article. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:10, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

I think I spotted the issue you were reporting regarding the corrupted appearance. It should be fixed now. That is, if it was the width of the attendance value being half as wide as it should be. If it's another issue please tell and I'll see if I can fix it. Tvx1 (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Assassin's Creed Rogue

Your recent editing history at Assassin's Creed Rogue shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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I have not reverted your edit, but I thought to inform you that you have reverted that page at least three times in the last 24 hours. If someone else comes by and reverts your edit and then you repeat, you will be in violation. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 23:11, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

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You violated the 3RR at 06:18 on 12 November 2014‎. I have thus reported you for edit-warring. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 17:10, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

14 November 2014

Prisonermonkeys (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The original dispute centred on the inclusion of content that I felt was presented with no context relative to the article that it appeared in. I did not argue for the complete removal of that section, but rather its integration into an exposition of the game's story; without that exposition, I felt the section made no sense. Although I deleted that section with my latest edits, a comparison of my edit and the previous version of the page shows that I integrated it into plot exposition. In particular, there are four key points that both edits have in common:

1) Achilles Davenport as the player character's mentor.

2) The presence of Adéwalé and his activities in Haiti.

3) The responsibility of the player character in the murder of Charles Dorian, the father of the protagonist in a related title, as the inciting incident of that title.

4) The mysterious box that the player character and Benjamin Franklin have possession of.

I feel that the administrator who blocked me has simply seen that I made edits that removed a section and jumped to the conclusion that I reverted it without considering the actual changes that were made. A comparison reveals that I did not revert, but merely changed the form that the content took, and the section was deleted as it was now redundant. The warning that was issued specifically referred to reverting edits, not modifying existing content. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:12, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Decline reason:

bbb23's assessment below is correct; what you have been doing is indeed edit warring, and will be recognized as such by anyone responding to your unblock requests. --jpgordon 04:18, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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• Look up the meaning of revert at WP:3RR. You not only modified the article (which is a revert) but you did so by removing the section you didn't like that triggered the original war and rewording the whole thing, what I'm sure you would label an improvement. In any event, you would have been blocked earlier for violating WP:3RR without the warning if it hadn't been for my counting mistake. Based on your earlier attitude toward edit-warring, I could have predicted an unblock request like this one. You stubborn attitude in terms of what you can and can't do when you think you're "right" is just going to keep getting you in trouble.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:40, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

• • So I get blocked because I removed a sub-heading, is that it? I have shown evidence of how the content was adapted to fit into the new edits. Nothing was removed except for some extraneous detail, which would have been removed under WP:PLOT, which states that these sections should be kept between 400 and 700 words.

• • Judging by your response, you came into this expecting my appeal. This naturally makes me wonder whether you judged the response based on the merits of it, or if you made up your mind beforehand. I think it's quite clear that you blocked me without considering what had been changed in the article. I would like a different admin to review my case, please. Perhaps EdJohnson would be willing to take a look. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 03:31, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
• Jpgordon, so even though I kept all of the content with my most-recent edit - the one I got blocked for - I still get blocked because I edited it at all? And this is despite the way another editor involved in the dispute demanded that any change I make should be exactly what I have since done to the article, an editor who has not touched it despite telegraphing his intention to edit-war if it was changed? Sorry, but what that comes down to to Bbb23 failing to assume good faith in my edit. If anyone else had seen it before him and bothered to check what was changed, I wouldn't have gotten blocked. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 04:44, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I just had a look at the edits on the page, PM. You removed the same section four times in a day. When 3RR says it's a bright line rule, it means there are no excuses, you do not do it at all. It does not matter if you are right, you just do not do it. If you get to 2R you should be looking at alternative behaviors like Third Opinions/RFCs etc.
  • The point of 3RR being a bright line rule is to stop people saturating edit histories with reverts for any reason at all. Misplaced Pages has alternative methods of dispute resolution and if you refuse to use them in favour of repeating the same edit procedure over again then you should not be editting Misplaced Pages at all.
  • You work within the Misplaced Pages system, not in spite of it. --Falcadore (talk) 04:54, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Prisonermonkeys. You have argued (above) that "a comparison of my edit and the previous version of the page shows that I integrated it into plot exposition." That change still has to be considered a revert, because after your edit there is no more 'Ties with Unity' section. That is the section that (not always under the same title) you kept removing from the page during the three reverts cited in the report. The people reverting against you wanted this game to be called an 'interstitial game'. After your edit the word 'interstitial' has disappeared from the article. That has to be deemed a revert. The only edit that can't be judged a revert is one that adds brand-new material to an article and doesn't delete or rearrange anything. EdJohnston (talk) 06:01, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

EdJohnston, that seems like a purely semantic difference to my mind—especially when the other editor involved in the dispute received nothing more than a warning despite only a cursory attempt to resolve the situation on the talk page, freely admitting an intention to continue edit-warring once the twenty-four hour window had expired so as to avoid 3RR, and admitting to reverting an edit from an IP address only once it was taken to ANI/3RR. How am I supposed to respect an admin decision when I acted in good faith—judging by your response, I would have been in the clear had I used the word "interstital" (which, by the way, is already made clear in the Characters sub-section of the article, a sub-section that has existed for weeks, if not months)—and get blocked for it when another editor has used such underhanded tactics to influence the article? What I did might have been against policy, but at least I was up-front about it. Either both of us should be blocked or neither of us should be. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:21, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

If your AN3 block was a simple error by the admin probably it could be undone without much discussion. In my opinion the block was not an error, since it is expected that edit wars that continue after the AN3 report are still subject to admin action. So now we are in the phase where complaining about the other party isn't a good idea. As it says at WP:GAB, "An unblock request that just asks administrators to block another editor will be declined." EdJohnston (talk) 15:36, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

And I believe that it was made in error because the article had already demonstrated the interstital quality for months beforehand, making what I did remove redundant to begin with, and that what I changed, I integrated into the text of the article in a way that was consistent with what both editors had lobbied for. It was no longer edit-warring, but because both Thegreyanomaly and Bbb23 never assumed good faith in the edit, it gets presented as being disruptive. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 19:50, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Thegreyanomaly - I noticed you recently said that you had better things to do than to deal with me. And do you know what? You're right. I suggest you start by taking a good, hard, and above all else, objective look at yourself and the way you go about editing.

Let's recap, shall we?

First of all, you accused me of attempting to censor the article for spoilers on the talk page. This is the failure to assume good faith on your part. Most editors would question why someone would make those changed, rather than make a cynical accusation the way you did.

Secondly, in the original 3RR discussion, you expressed a clear desire to edit-war once the 24 hour window was up as you would technically be free of 3RR. But edit-warring is edit-warring; there is nothing technical about it. And your expression of your intentions shows that you had no interest in resolving the conflict unless it was absolutely on your terms, which is not constructive.

Finally, and most appallingly, you knew that the final edit I made was a good edit. You knew that that was the direction that the article was heading in. You called for that as an appropriate response on the article talk. You called for it several times. And yet, when it did happen, you still reported it to the admins despite all of this. Most editors I know would recognise the value of such an edit, and would let it slide.

Now, I know what your response will be. That I got blocked and you didn't; therefore, I'm wrong and you're right and you don't have to pay any attention to this. But in the face of your behaviour, are you really so surprised that I questioned the way you made an IP edit, circumventing 3RR? Sure, you admitted to it, but you didn't admit upfront—if I have to edit from an IP, I make it clear that it is me in the edit summary—and taken on its own, there is nothing sinister about it. But when combined with the above, your behaviour speaks to a much more worrying pattern. You weren't acting in the interests of the page. You said it yourself; you would only accept a full integration of that section into plot exposition. You were looking to prove a point. You were looking to teach me a lesson, which is not your responsibility. You have been arrogant, cynical and aggressive. But like I said, you'll disregard that because I am the one who got blocked.

But I will leave you with this thought: just as you have had time to comb my edit history, so too have I had time to go through yours. And do you know what? I'm not the only one who thinks this about you. And for the record, I didn't have to sift through thousands of edits to find them. I did it in five minutes. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 01:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Per the rant above, I have reported you. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 02:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Pinging

Hi NE Ent, I hope you do not mind my doing this given that it is under discussion at ANI, but I am hoping you can offer some advice on how to handle it. I feel the need to defend myself against Thegreyanomaly, as I feel that at every stage of this process, he has been targeting me and that he is using ANI to do it. At the same time, I do not wish to make things worse for myself. I am angry at the way he has handled this, and I am trying to remain objective. At the sane time, I hope that pinging you might offer some insight and help bring about a resolution.

This started when I made changes to the Assassin's Creed Rogue article, removing elements that I felt were confusing for readers as they offered no context to certain events of the plot in relation to the wider story, and over-emphasised the relationship to other titles. An edit war ensued, but that is not the point of this discussion. The conflict started on the talk page when Thegreyanomaly accused me of attempting to censor the article without any justification; this, I felt was a failure to assume good faith. Even after I explained my position, he still insisted that I had been acting otherwise.

The most salient point here is that Thegreyanomaly insisted that the content remain in the article, and that the only acceptable change was for it to be adapted into a full plot exposition, which is s common practice for articles relating to a story of some kind. My final edit to the article did just this, and while I removed what I felt were some superfluous details, the four key points from the subsection were carried over. Thegreyanomaly subsequently reported this edit to the 3RR noticeboard, and I was blocked. This is what caused me to become upset. He had specifically called for this edit to be made to the page, and he knew that it was the direction in which the page was heading (had our positions been reversed, I would have recognised this and let it go). Nevertheless, he saw fit to report me, and had commented in the 3RR report that he was waiting for the 24-hour window to close before editing again. I found this to be extremely hypocritical, as it came across as an intention to keep edit-warring; there was never any serious attempt to resolve the issue. After two days had passed and I had calmed down, I simply pointed out that his behaviour was unseemly, and that I was not alone in thinking so, and once again, instead of trying to resolve it, he went to ANI.

Was I upset? Yes. Did I over-react? I would like to say no, but the answer is more likely to be "probably". But look at it from my position - Thegreyanomaly accused me of wrongdoing from the start, lobbied for me to be blocked, and did so on the back of an edit he specifically called for. I feel that I have grounds to be upset, as at every step of this process, I feel that he has been targeting me for daring to disagree with him. Once my block expires, I would like to refer this to ANI, but that may be taking things too far. For the moment, I think Thegreyanomaly needs to have his behaviour reviewed and reminded that he needs to conduct himself appropriately, because ANI is not a place fir settling scores. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:35, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Germany is Germany

3RR does not apply to reverting vandalism. Eightball (talk) 21:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't think you know what vandalism is. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 22:03, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I think openly and intentionally lying on an article counts as vandalism. Do you disagree? Eightball (talk) 22:10, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I would agree. Except that we aren't doing that. Now, you can continue to throw those accusations around, or you can accept the consensus that is developing on the talk page. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 22:14, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I will not accept any consensus to lie and vandalize the article. The German flag will remain. There is not a second option because all other options are lies. You will not get your way. I will not submit to vandals. Eightball (talk) 22:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)